Listened to the HDI 3800's the other day and WOW my mind was blown!
@Agent-fg9ol5 жыл бұрын
Those Revel speakers look awesome but there's something about the look of those jbl speakers that are winning me over! 😁
@Audioholics5 жыл бұрын
those JBLs look awesome in person. I'm wanting a pair myself!
@markussukram92905 жыл бұрын
revel looks like SHIT...they looks like vacuum cleaners,it's time to return to the REAL speaker look with 15 inch woofer and not these ugly tiny towers
@blswagger07645 жыл бұрын
@@Audioholics Good to know and thanks for the video! I was all set on the Revel F208s ($5k list) until I saw the new JBL HDI 3800 towers (also $5k list). I wonder how they compare/contrast in a home theater setting.
@keithmoriyama5421 Жыл бұрын
@@blswagger0764 Go JBL! The one advantage all JBL have in common is DYNAMIC REALISM. That has always been their goal since day one and that is their signature sound. Compression drivers come alive in a way conventional speakers can never match. If you want excitement and articulate detail you can't beat JBL. If you are more of a subtle nuance, fine detail listener there are more suitable speakers out there.
@blswagger0764 Жыл бұрын
@@keithmoriyama5421 I went with Revels over 3 years ago (f226be and c426be up front, f206 surrounds, and c763l ceilings).
@nathanjones40395 жыл бұрын
Love the JBL’s, the finish look great on all the models, dig the cabinetry design with the rounded edges.
@jabarimoshe49343 жыл бұрын
InstaBlaster...
@kinsoncooper73335 жыл бұрын
You sir are a no nonsense straight forward professional.... Keep up the good work.
@satsuinohado41055 жыл бұрын
I always appreciate those longer two hours or more videos
@Gary_M4 жыл бұрын
I love the grey wood finish on those JBL. In the past they've managed to make horns that aren't bright sounding so hopefully they continue in that direction.
@bphilbac5 жыл бұрын
Great job as usual Gene. Thanks for sharing, very good information.
@thillyard15 жыл бұрын
Those JBL HDI speakers look like an amazing value.
@markussukram92905 жыл бұрын
They are ugly..tiny towers! check the fantastic MAGNAT TRANSPULS with a real speaker look with a 15 inch woofer
@reallyeffingcooltechnodude5 жыл бұрын
@@markussukram9290 I've heard the Transpuls and they were an incoherent mess. Sure there was power in the low end but that's about it. Horrible imaging, a jumbled mess.
@markussukram92905 жыл бұрын
@@reallyeffingcooltechnodude Not true,I've also heard the Transpuls as well as many other people and they are the best speaker on this planet around 1000 dollar/euro. The imaging is great ,they just need a few hours of use to give the best.
@brois8415 жыл бұрын
@@markussukram9290 so now we're comparing speaker designs from 60-years ago to some of the best design of today? Save yourself some money and get some Cerwin Vegas.
@markussukram92905 жыл бұрын
@@brois841 "the best design of today " are pathetic images of vacuum cleaners ugly tiny towers and other ridicolous shapes. A speaker MUST look like a speaker!!! It's like the ugly skyscrapers that looks like shit compared to the magnificent classic (read IMMORTAL) buildings, churches ets,,,or the shitty graffitis compared to the masterpieces of Michelangelo or Raffaello....the past is the best because means QUALITY!! Only the ignorant cannot understand these simple facts.
@bujoun765 жыл бұрын
Yes! Not everyone is listening to music only. We movie lovers DO EXIST!!!
@Hanssone5 жыл бұрын
I had the jbl 305 for 2 years, its absolute amazing what they packed into this speaker for the insanely low price. Real innovations that make great audio accessible to everyone not just elite
@eug3nius5 жыл бұрын
You know what's actually exciting from Harman? The new $6k JBL Synthesis SDP-55 Surround Sound Processor with DANTE!!!! Digital outs! Second zones everywhere! DANTE enabled active speakers!
@Audioholics5 жыл бұрын
I need to look into this since I'm switching to active speakers soon. I will find out more. Thanks.
@SevenAcid4 жыл бұрын
Why would you waste your money when companies like Marantz exist.
@eug3nius4 жыл бұрын
@@SevenAcid 16 channel of Dante for 6k from JBL is excellent. But if you don't want Dante, the Arcam AV40 is a 16 channel preamp with Dirac for 4.5k. Or the Datasat/Monoprice 16 channel for 4k. Marantz needs to up their game or drop their price.
@jaxmeister71994 жыл бұрын
Will be very interesting, I have now JBL LS80 which I've had since 2009, and they are still fantastic speakers. I've heard several more expensive speakers which I did not like much better.
@bingdong85713 күн бұрын
these are both on really good sales right now.
@rickysnit2163 Жыл бұрын
Great video. It would have been nice had they covered the crossovers; capacitors, inductors - did they use anything special? What about the wire they used, anything special about the resistors? Binding posts - more conductive? What alloy, is that bottlenecking the signal at all? What about competitive to B&W. But again, great interview and coverage of some great speakers! JBL drivers sound special - have me sold..
@Bass_therapy_4 жыл бұрын
Dang, one day I’ll buy those.
@marct95875 жыл бұрын
Lol, I need, er, want me a set of those F328 big boys!
@Diegogonzalezotero2 жыл бұрын
Hello ,can you recomend me the best Revel Center for HT . I already have the Front F228be . C426 or C208
@Kareggan3 жыл бұрын
Those SB's looks amazing. Wish i could listen to them!
@fidazaman31555 жыл бұрын
I don't like it, I don't like it at all... I love it. Thanks
@tonyrobles96043 жыл бұрын
What a great video! How would the new JBL's compare to the vintage JBL L7's? I have a pair of L7's that sound fantastic and would live to know the difference between the two if possible. Thanks for all that you do for the community! 👍 😊 🎶 🔊
@markweber52785 жыл бұрын
Very interested in the new jbl towers ,especially if they put them on sale for 50% off like their other towers
@markussukram92905 жыл бұрын
They are ugly..tiny towers! check the fantastic MAGNAT TRANSPULS with a real speaker look with a 15 inch woofer
@Sloimer2 жыл бұрын
@@markussukram9290 Magnaf Transpul is incredibly ugly. Are you on drugs?
@keithmoriyama5421 Жыл бұрын
@@markussukram9290 If you want to go that route you might as well buy REAL JBL studio monitors and the MT will wilt in the sun.
@CheetahNL4 жыл бұрын
I still don't understand why screw holes (in the tweeter baffle) are still visible in this price range.
@DucksDeLucks4 жыл бұрын
Beryllium tweeters pioneered by Yamaha -- NS10000 hard to beat.
@cruzingrsx44845 жыл бұрын
Very informative video, thanks.
@b.morris28164 жыл бұрын
Remind us to "Subscribe and Ring that Bell"!! Thank you for all of the great content!! I would like to know more about center channel configurations and witch is best. Also, it would be nice to know why you chose the balanced MiniDSP instead of the others and show how you wired the balanced and why you would you that over the other options and why you might use one of the other options.
@myplaguesify4 жыл бұрын
quality video as usual
@bossofhind79005 жыл бұрын
Hi, I am learner Can you guide me about how bi-amp devlop with current available amplifier? My question is if I 30 watts tweeter and 80 watts woofer both 8 ohm but supply individual . So how can I Mach both different amplifier gain ? For good quality sound .
@rodster445 жыл бұрын
not a good idea. biamp a passive speaker with matched amplifier output.
@brois8415 жыл бұрын
OMG Confusion galore. How do you choose between JBL HDI and Paradigm Premier/Prestige? Or maybe go complete active setup with identical L/C/R? Decisions decisions....
@shinvergil5 жыл бұрын
Oh boy! Weekend got better.
@brandoncheco582 Жыл бұрын
what’s the difference with 3800 hid model vs the studio 698 ? cause i own a pair of studio 590s and i’m not sure if i should upgrade or not
@jjdente76665 жыл бұрын
i want to know how those HDI compare to the 708's as they are my next speaker choice when I upgrade. I would rather not go through the hassle of using active or passive 708i's with the DCI or BSS Blue if I didnt need to.
@xavierjohn94 жыл бұрын
Which series will be considered an upgrade from M&K S150?
@snauspockets99244 жыл бұрын
I got three perfect shape RBH C-770 mtm's for a front wall of sound for $300 from an angry, recently divorced lady off of Craigslist...because that's how I roll. She even threw in a 12" Velodyne sub...she had no idea how much those speakers were worth and I still smile everytime I look at them/hear them. I am not sure how I would feel about speakers that cost even 5k, let alone 16k... no matter how they sounded. The most I ever spent on speakers were some demo models of some nice MB Quart Q1002 Towers back in 1993 or so. Got em for 1k apiece from speakerlab in seattle and they still sound great. You do get what you pay for in speakers but you CAN get them for a much better deal that will make them happy speakers for many years to come. I really love the look of these speakers and really want to hear them but as soon as you start talking about how much they cost I know for sure I am not getting them unless some rich guy upgrades to something even more fancy and just wants to get rid of them for cheap.
@zakblue5 жыл бұрын
zomg i want those HDI floorstanders
@michaelhayes97564 жыл бұрын
thanks to harmon for fuckin' up what used to define the west coast rock n' roll sound...……….
@marknelson8015 жыл бұрын
Very Nice speakers. What are their plans for Infinity? Is it dead like Boston with Sound United. I would like to see a return of the Kappa line.
@Audioholics5 жыл бұрын
seems dead RN, which is sad. Long live Kappa!
@Mark-ro5zg4 жыл бұрын
I was really enjoying the video until he mentioned the price of the bookshelf speakers and I said whoa! No way! Too much for me and stopped the video.
@scottlowell4934 жыл бұрын
I don't know the total history of Revel....but Harmen R&D must have vastly improved them. The original salons sounded boxy to me.
@r3forge4 жыл бұрын
I like the JBL stuff but the pricing doesn't seem to be competitive... 5000 bucks for the big towers? You can get the new monitor audio gold 300 for that money :D
@tjkadar5 жыл бұрын
Want - 'nuff said.
@ryanschipp85135 жыл бұрын
I'm thinking the FOCAL Electra 1008BE Focal Factory Refurbished for 2k is a much better value. With same regular 5year warranty! Someone feel free to correct me if I am wrong:)
@Audioholics5 жыл бұрын
Comparing a bookshelf to a flagship tower, definitely wrong.
@ryanschipp85135 жыл бұрын
@@Audioholics I'm comparing a bookshelf to a bookshelf. Please look it up.
@Audioholics5 жыл бұрын
@@ryanschipp8513 we aren't even discussing the bookshelf in this video and comparing new to used is silly. Both the Revel and Focal bookshelf speakers have similar retail prices. We've measured the Revels to be among the best bookshelf speakers to date and Harman has the science to back it up. These speakers are well engineered and worth their asking prices for those serious about audio.
@ryanschipp85135 жыл бұрын
@@Audioholics Gene, I appreciate your time and response. I'm an avid follower yours. In the very beginning of the video you talk about a 4k Revel Bookshelf speaker. I'm comparing that to a Focal bookshelf at 2k....not used...but Focal Factory refurbished by Focal. With a 5 year warranty. Not sure how we are mixing facts here.....
@ryanschipp85135 жыл бұрын
@@Audioholics Id also like to mention the $1500 Canton Vento Reference 9.2 speaker(NEW). Canton has made speakers for over 45 years in Germany. I'm simply conveying that there are other manufacturers that have incredible bookshelf speakers for a fraction of the Revel bookshelf cost. Stereophile gave a stellar grade to the Canton. Test the Focal and Canton I mention. You can't tell me they both arent extremely serious HIFI speakers especially for 2k and 1.5k.
@cafe80s5 жыл бұрын
I wish I had money
@60zeller5 жыл бұрын
Don't wish, get to work
@kingtrance68264 жыл бұрын
It seems your paying a lot of extra cash for the beautiful cosmetics of the Revel line. High quality speakers at a very high price.
@errorsofmodernism97152 жыл бұрын
LOL
@hom2fu5 жыл бұрын
Being rear ported, how many inches away from the wall?
@Taffy844 жыл бұрын
Usually 2 - 3 feet.
@gizzy24035 жыл бұрын
I guess Focal was on 2 something w/ Beryllium tweeters. Copycats! Jk everybody copies something eventually. I'm sure these r gr8
@marvinmurakami88285 жыл бұрын
How long was Focal using beryllium tweeters because Yamaha was using pure beryllium tweeters in their ns1000m speakers 40 years ago.
@dawn-moon4 жыл бұрын
@@marvinmurakami8828 is it so important who chose what first ? It's about who uses it the right way and makes it sound best, isn't it ? Are we also discussing who used carbon fiber first in the automotive industry ? It's about who's the fastest... and most reliable :-) :-)
@marvinmurakami88284 жыл бұрын
@@dawn-moon did you read gizzy2403's comment. He probably wasn't aware Yamaha was using pure beryllium tweeters and I believe midranges too 40 years ago. The Yamaha ns1000m speakers were way ahead of their time and considered excellent sounding to this day. Who knows? Maybe he might have enlightened me that Focal was using pure beryllium tweeters 50 years ago.
@RennieAsh4 жыл бұрын
@@dawn-moon You may as well have commented on the other guy saying they "copied" Focal lol.
@americanidle12774 жыл бұрын
Very similar to my Infinity MMD and CMMD speakers
@rcdude865 жыл бұрын
Come on. $16,000 a pair. I’m finding that a old pair of something flag ship is sounding speakers sound the same to new flagship speakers i listen too at a audio store. I call snake oil!
@ryanschipp85135 жыл бұрын
Yep. Great call. The Canton Vento Reference 3.2's are $4600 NEW!!!!!!!! German made. Ceramic tweeter. 108lbs. Over 45 years of engineering. A tremendous buy over the Revels. OH! And you get a free center channel that is no joke. What a value!! www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/cantventoref3.2dcblka/canton-vento-reference-3.2-dc-8.5-3-way-floorstanding-speaker-black-each-free-vento-reference-50.2-w/purchase/1.html
@Audioholics5 жыл бұрын
Nothing about the Harman brands are snake oil. Study some of their research and you will appreciate their approach more.
@MrTheDarku5 жыл бұрын
@@Audioholics whenever you have the time, check out the 3700 AVR. Basically complete trash.
@michelhaineault66544 жыл бұрын
they are copying paradigm :)
@dougg10754 жыл бұрын
Michel Haineault notice how all these SUV crossover vehicles all look alike? When the technology reaches an apex ( aerodynamics in cars) things look alike, my LSA speakers have the same cabinet shape as these and Paradigm with the tapered rear. Anyway my thoughts
@JPWinters5 жыл бұрын
Looks like JBL was quick to copy Wharfedale's bottom port slot system? Not sure who did it first, maybe another company. Seems like a better idea than back or front ports.
@markussukram92905 жыл бұрын
They are ugly..tiny towers! check the fantastic MAGNAT TRANSPULS with a real speaker look with a 15 inch woofer
@JPWinters5 жыл бұрын
@@markussukram9290 Looks interesting but not available in the U.S.A.
@markussukram92905 жыл бұрын
@@JPWinters Unfortunately they are not yet available in US but they are having great success in Russia and in Europe,there's nothing like that on the market, a classic JBL sound (and look) for a fraction of the cost.
@RennieAsh4 жыл бұрын
@@JPWinters There's probably some older Magnat stuff available. I used to own a pair, not too bad sounding, though it would be different than horn loaded drivers
@RennieAsh4 жыл бұрын
B&W has a bottom loaded port too. There's probably been some old speaker that used it anyway before all these other ones
@ryanschipp85135 жыл бұрын
Or....CANTON Vento Reference 9.2 NEW...$1499 a pair.
@eug3nius5 жыл бұрын
The wood finish version is worth 100 more!
@ryanschipp85135 жыл бұрын
@@eug3nius beautiful isnt it?
@adissabovic4 жыл бұрын
5:48 $16K/pr? GTFOH! I'll take Klipsch's Cornwall IVs, for $6K/pr, over these. Anytime!
@garygranato91644 жыл бұрын
$16000 per pair!!!!!!! you can buy another human being for that sort of money
@Audioholics4 жыл бұрын
That's sick
@garygranato91644 жыл бұрын
@@Audioholics we live in a sick world :(
@Goodboy09534 жыл бұрын
Price unbelievable discount on all Revel speakers call HiFi Buys Nashville TN. Ask for Shaun tell him Jason B Paducah sent you.... I’m a customer and example 2006 purchased brand new Revel Ultimate Gems and Voice paid less than Half the Retail Price....’.
@scottlowell4935 жыл бұрын
Remember when Titanium was the buzz? Remember when diamond (carbon crystal) tweeters were the rage? Yeah, diamond sucked. In every application. Now BE "light and rigid" is the buzz, even though Yamaha did it in the 80's and it was like the diamond: a gimmick with no guarantee of superior sound. magnets and drive motors (not to mention amps) are so powerful now, there is no need at all for expensive and exotic alloy drivers for the sake of light weight. It's possible to make good-sounding drivers made of thin steel. Well hey, at least BE is not resonant like titanium and aluminum. JBL has a history of obfuscating horns. It's just a horn. HDI "Horn drive interface" to be honest. Much like the old "Oblate " tweeter horn. BTW: a great threeway speaker > 2 way. Period. A 2-way is just cheaper to make, with less engineering. "Marketing is lies and deceit formulated to sell junk to fools."
@chrisharpe77365 жыл бұрын
I can't justify the expense when the sum of the parts don't add up to the askimg price. I can't even begin to think about any of the revel line-up, nor would I. There are too many options that I can live with that cost far less. Plus speaker technology hasn't changed much, so updating vintage speakers can be much more worthwhile.
@RennieAsh4 жыл бұрын
And great 2-way speaker is better than an average 3-way
@60zeller5 жыл бұрын
He know Harmon products, we'll isn't it a good thing he is head of products mananagement for Harmon..duh
@Audioholics5 жыл бұрын
No he doesn't work for "Harmon". Duh.
@60zeller5 жыл бұрын
@@Audioholics Jim garrett, senior director for Harmon products?
@Audioholics5 жыл бұрын
@@60zeller Jim Garret does NOT work for "Harmon".
@60zeller5 жыл бұрын
@Audioholics sorry for confusion, did he not introduce himself as senior director of product strategy and planning for Harmon Audio group. Sounds like he works for them. I don’t care one way or another. I was just being a smart ass that someone with that title would certainly have a lot of knowledge of Harmon products. Fan of your channel, apologize if I came if as rude.
@Audioholics5 жыл бұрын
@@60zeller he never said he works for "Harmon". "Harmon" is not an audio company.
@rcdude865 жыл бұрын
Jbl’s look like they’re copy of the klipsch speakers.
@SevenAcid4 жыл бұрын
Yawn more garbage. Did you ever check out any decent speakers you can't buy at Best Buy
@RennieAsh4 жыл бұрын
@Csab They've probably got some random thing they are enamored with, therefore everything else must be garbage if they don't like it ;-)