New Ryzen Laptops are Better than I Thought

[@HardwareCanucks]

Hello all, after the final edit was done and the video posted, we realized that out charts SHOULD have labelled the Lenovo Pro 7 as having a 73Wh battery and not the 57Wh listed. The results, naturally, do not change since its only the chart labelling that changes.

[@jusmirtic]

Cinebench R23 5:35 is the label wrong or is the wrong chart bar colored brown? I can't quite tell from the voiceover. Looks like it should also say multi core and the x-axis is also probably from the single core chart as it doesn't match up with the multi core performance numbers.

[@billkillernic]

What I hate about the zen 5 laptops is that virtually NONE has A) a numpad (like omg, excel,blender, premier pro,cheat engine,mmorpgs, coding in the sense of entering numerical values which is a frequent occasion, windows pin input etc etc is A LOT easier with a numpad at hand) like WTF ? why almost none have a numpad? B) 17" screens (got forbid bigger screens than that lol) which would allow for a bigger battery btw too... and the irony is that the few that have kinda big screens e.g 16.9 or something like that do NOT have a version with a beefy GPU too well actually I mean they dont come with a 4070 because that's whats the beefiest in zen 5 laptops which brings me to C C) there is NO laptop with a gpu faster than a 4070.... and the as I said the ones that have a 4070 have tiny screens!!! the ones that have more normal screens either dont have a discrete GPU or have a 4060 .... AMD as usual shooting their own feet... I really want a zen 5 laptop but I dont want to spent 2K and compromise on screensize numpad and GPU selection...

[@chrisbullock6477]

It happens, thanks for transparency. After a couple hundred videos you're bound to miss something or make a mistake.

[@sushimshah2896]

Surprised you only noticed that error, and not the others

[@sushimshah2896]

​@@billkillernicI feel you, maybe wait for the Legion series

[@JarrodsTech]

Zen 5 laptop CPUs are more interesting than Zen 5 desktop CPUs, that's for sure.

[@HardwareCanucks]

Their dynamics are super interesting. Especially based on how they're able to scale through the power range.

[@Jimster481]

I think that the desktop CPUs are also great, especially if using linux. I have a ASRock DeskMini with a 9600x and it is a total monster on Ubuntu 24.04 Mate and the entire thing is quiet and runs cool w/ a $22 Thermalright x35 cooler. I can run VMWare Workstation w/ Windows 11 Faster than my Theadripper 3960x runs the same VM. I love my Threadripper system, but this whole system doesn't draw more than 100W under 100% load (actually I think it is around 89W based on my wall tester) and it utterly destroys my Threadripper in so many tasks, especially those which are lightly threaded....

[@mirak_backwards]

WRONG. The real performance of zen 5 can only be judged after the 3D cpus r out.

[@deneguil-1618]

For gamers and average consumer yes, for workstation/compute use zen 5 is a big step up

[@leviathan-supersystem]

@@Jimster481 hellyea

[@rockatanescu]

I've recently bought the exact laptop you tested in this video, the Lenovo Yoga Pro 7 with AMD Ryzen AI 9 365, 32GB of RAM and 1 TB of SSD. From a performance point of view, it's very close to my desktop PC, which uses a Ryzen 5900X, 64GB of RAM and a 1TB Samsung 980 Pro SSD. The only workload I noticed a significant difference was when restoring a 60GB Postgres database, but that's mainly due to the laptop using wifi and the desktop using a wired connection. For the rest of my day to day usage (programming in Ruby, working with Jira, etc) I could not see the difference. There are a couple of things to note for potential buyers: 1. It's not easy to work on the laptop if the screen is in direct sunlight. The screen is bright enough, but the display is almost like a mirror. Otherwise it's superb. 2. The AI stuff is a joke. You have a Copilot key, but it only opens a browser window. For some reason it's not actually a "Copilot+" laptop, at least not yet, but they are working with Microsoft to enable Copilot+. 3. The Linux support is not there yet. For example, I needed to install Ubuntu in safe video mode, the laptop won't enter standby if I close the lid and the battery life is terrible. AMD is working on adding some patches to the Linux kernel, but it will take a bit and then distributions will need to move to the new kernel (Ubuntu 24.04 is on kernel 6.8, 24.10 will be on 6.11 and you'll probably need 6.12 or later) 4. If you install a clean Windows version, the drivers for the camera do not seem to work. I had to request from Lenovo the original installation media (thankfully it's a free 32GB download). Hopefully this will be changed in the future. 5. iLok does not work yet on Zen 5, which means that if you want to use this laptop for any kind of music production you should see if your software uses iLok/PACE (I have a UA Volt interface and the software that installs the drivers requires iLok to work when it gets initialized) The battery life, for my usage, is almost 7 hours, which is enough for a full workday in case I forget my charger. However, since it's charged via USB-C, there is a good chance I can find some charger around (many modern displays have a USB-C connection with power delivery). I kind of wished an extra hour or two of battery life just so I don't hit 5% by the end of the day and have some headroom for when the battery degrades. I'd also like to mention the size a bit. It's very, very comparable with a Macbook Air when it comes to weight and performance, but I found the 13" MBA too small and the 15.3" MBA too big. The 14" MBP is the right size, but the 14" MBP with 18GB of RAM (vs 32) and 512GB SSD (vs 1TB) is already significantly more expensive than this laptop (in the UK the Lenovo is sold for 1400 pounds, while the MBP costs 2100 pounds). Speaking of price, I found it a bit weird that the Lenovo US site does not have this model. I live in the EU and bought the laptop from a local retailer and it already had a 10% discount from its original 1500 Euros price! That being said, I'm really happy with this laptop and I'd recommend it to anyone looking to buy a laptop that's not meant for gaming or heavy video production.

[@declangallagher1448]

Good breakdown. Thanks choom.

[@PhillipLearnTeach]

How is mid range video editing in this laptop?

[@feralmeow]

Also hate the useless copilot key.

[@gaminginstilllife9429]

i got the Asus S16 with AI 370 hx , i get about 8 hr of work done but i set to lowest settings. i had the snapdragon laptop, sent back, and that got about the same work batt as this laptop. only thing is it ran cooler

[@HardwareCanucks]

Super awesome overview. One question; WHERE did you buy it? I'm guessing in the UK or EU since that's where we bought our other two Pro 7 devices from...

[@batemanboi9672]

I do not understand why your channel harbors some of the absolute worst takes and pessimistic/negative people in the comments. Your content is great for overviews of new architectures, NOT the product lines - maybe people don’t understand the difference. Also it seems you either bother the Intel fans or the AMD fans. The objective viewer appreciates your methodology.

[@fooboomoo]

This absolutely!

[@AKK5I]

because its not linuskucktips

[@wireless1235]

Thats because this is just an AMD product spotlight posing as a laptop chip comparison.

[@farmeunit]

It's the internet and people are the worst....

[@tim3172]

@CplCurmudgeon Both HUB and GN take minor nitpicks (and flat-out FUD) to push outrage over non issues. We don't need to hear 15 minutes on why a component working completely in-spec is "throttling" and "too hot". Steve from GN deadass said a part is 600MHz "below expectation"... whose expectation? Not Intel's. It's literally ~1.5GHz over Intel's expectation. (He does the same ish with AMD, miss me with "fAnBoY" nonsense.) HUB tests and "fails" motherboards when they're running a power virus with *zero* airflow, i.e. an artificial load in a ridiculous and artificial situation, often failing boards when they're 10s of degrees below VRM temperature specification because they are "toasty" or "too hot" or complaining that a board listed as supporting a CPU at a given TDP is "misleading" when it *LITERALLY* states that it only supports a certain configuration, i.e. a 7950X in Eco mode, etc. That, and neither of them understanding how product naming works and making 47 videos about how the GT 1030 DDR4 is the worst thing that's ever happened to humanity followed up with the 580 2048 SP, 4070 GDDR6 (vs X), etc. They brainwash their followers into thinking "4070" is the name of the product when it's actually something like "GV-N4070GAMING OCV2-12GD" which differs from a GV-N4070AORUS M-12GD. How does it differ? Look at the spec sheet. If you're buying something and you don't care about the specs, then that's fine. Enjoy. If you're buying something and you *do* care about the specs, then you should probably educate yourself. If you simultaneously don't care to educate yourself but you feel "misled" for being poorly-educated (and that's... somehow... someone else's fault), then I simply don't know how to help you.

[@Alpharaven]

I think this kind of video is really good when a new generation of tech is being released, it really minimised the bias that can alter the difference by comparing it directly with the same older generation laptop

[@andyH_England]

That is generally true, as many people have a brand preference and want to know how much better the new Lenovo is than their older one, from the chip to the features. Baselines with competitors should still be included, but the upgrade cycle should be focused on.

[@eduardopatricio]

Great approach to comparisons. It's insanely helpful to understand better the behaviour or recent AMD APUs. Thank you!

[@FoxxFire]

Just based on this first Cinebench graph at 5:25 of the video, we are getting about 20 percent more performance for 75 percent more power. While that is pretty great, considering that temps and fan noise aren't taking much of a hit, it does also show how efficient these chips are at the lower wattages. And in laptops that give the user the choice of how much power to feed the chip (like this Lenovo), having the option to set the machine in the highest performance possible, when needed, is a great option to have, albeit at the cost of efficiency (which is a trade off we might want to make when battery life and noise are less of a priority than performance).

[@hristobotev9726]

That's the way to use laptops on battery. I use my 7840hs 25w limited - 80% perf for 40% power usage

[@andyH_England]

It is true for Snapdragon, Intel, and AMD. These ultrabook chips have significantly diminishing efficiency returns the more performance you need. They have caught up with the M3 in efficiency, playing video 24/7, but they still need a lot of work to match Apple in efficiency as the laptops are pushed.

[@Jabid21]

AMD didn’t even use TSMC’s most advanced node for Strix Point (N4) like Apple M3 and Intel Lunar Lake does. It would be more interesting to see how Zen 5 laptops would do on the N3 node.

[@hentendou]

Exactly how would Hardware Canucks be able to do that? Compare a theoretical chipset vs real ones, that is.

[@krazyolie]

It's probably a bit of diminishing returns as you would then only see it in extremely expensive laptops and with limited production. Look how expensive the cheapest lunar lake laptops are

[@imnea]

​@@hentendouI think they just meant it would be interesting in general for AMD to have chips on the N3 node

[@nsquezada27]

Probably couldn't or just wasn't worth the cost. Apple pays out the nose to secure almost all the 3nm from tsm.

[@seungwan6855]

I wonder why so many comments are complaining about something. I think this review is amazing, especially comparing it to prev gen with various wattage with great visual. Makes me feel to get one of new Ryzen laptop. Kudos.

[@ibelieveinjesusinmyspareti2861]

I Hope than that we are all Crazy cause ltt, hardware canucks and many others have been making favorable reviews towards some brands. I stand by what i say. Ive been watching tech content and been a tech entusiast for years too, this Is not the High quality unbiased content i am accostumed to. Again i stand by what i say, this Is some sponsored bull crap in my opinion.

[@Son37Lumiere]

@@ibelieveinjesusinmyspareti2861 The data speaks for itself. Just because he was paid, which he admitted to, doesn't magically mean the data is false unless you can prove otherwise.

[@Pravculear]

it's nice to see all the improvements in regards to integrated graphics.

[@philipreininger2549]

please can we get a lunar lake comparisson? would love to see efficiency testing because even if intel uses less power, if amd is much faster it might be more efficient or vice versa

[@deansmits006]

This is difficult in laptops, they have to essentially get a specific laptop that offers the 3 different CPUs. The XPS 13 offers this, but only with Snapdragon and Intel. Without a laptop with 3 different CPUs, there are too many other variables (e.g. OLED vs LCD screen) that skews the battery life and performance.

[@jessiethedude]

@@someguy321yet you’re here…

[@Jimster481]

Honestly, I owned about 12 different Intel laptops, and I have to say that Intel has always been disappointing in the laptop front since about the year 2015. Ever since then, all of their laptops run at 100 Celsius basically all the time, and if you do anything other than just open a couple web pages, you will see constant trips to 100 Celsius. What that means is that you will not have a laptop that lasts more than, say, two years because it will either burn out the wires, start to melt the motherboard or the case. Something happens after two years or less where the laptop is dead because the temperatures are just too high. I've had laptops from all the major brands burn out because of too high of temperatures. I own several XPS 13 units. I owned an HP envy and I owned a ZenBook Pro Duo as well as one of their ROG devices. Intel always heavily disappoints and I just don't see lunar lake being different. They typically try to pull something to lie about power and make it complicated to see what the real thermal temperatures are. But nevertheless, they hit 100 Celsius and melted computer over time.

[@philipreininger2549]

@@Jimster481 I owned 3 Intel laptops, one amd one. None ever had issues even the 2 I ran for 5 years, sure I’m a power user that absolutely tunes every aspect from every laptop and that makes a huge difference. That said Intel laptops often have better screens and batteries which sucks especially now since amd has so good apus but as laptops are full packages everything matters

[@Son37Lumiere]

Lunar Lake is more efficient but only by around 20%. It's much slower than Strix Point in multithreading performance, like nearly half as fast as the HX 370 at its advertised max 54 watt tdp. But limited to a similar 25 watt tdp it's still around 30-50% slower depending on the application. Which is why I find it rather funny how many people are gushing over Lunar Lake. Sure it offers the best x86 efficiency and its iGPU is a good improvement but its CPU performance actually regressed from Meteor Lake.

[@NootNoot.]

Finally, more vendor options

[@riba2233]

Great test Mike, these really do look good!

[@HardwareCanucks]

Thanks!

[@aymanelzain1271]

The laptop market is literally on fire, more competition is good for us as consumers. What really impressive about zen5 laptops cpus is how they scale in different power levels, which make them good for ultra book and also for gaming laptops.

[@fringeanomaly9284]

i request reviwers to please test sleep and hibernate modes on new thin n lights to see if they lose battery overnight etc bcz as per my observations with snapdragon chips they seem to have lower performance and equivalent battery life but they seem to handle the sleep and hibernate very consistently and better over a weekend or moving between classes

[@Sonnell]

Agreed. This is a very frustrating problem, where Apple does a lot better than any windows machine.

[@HardwareCanucks]

We're working on it but we're encountering serious issues with normalizing from one device to another.

[@fringeanomaly9284]

@@HardwareCanucks fair nuff but if in case you aren't able to normalise ur results I think it would be good if anecdotes are mentioned just in case ,,, atleast I'd support them ,.dk about other viewers

[@jfh4270]

great video, and a perfect example of why I've been subbed for more many years

[@VicharB]

I'd like to see Lenovo Thinkpad 14" and/or HP EliteBooks 14" with ~58W capable HX 370 notebooks in order to consider upgrading my current EliteBook 845 7840U based notebook. Even after watching latest notebooks based on Intel I'd opt for AMD Zen 5 for my needs.

[@XTRMXPRTKILR]

Windows 8.1 wallpaper on thumbnail?

[@HardwareCanucks]

Nailed it. ;)

[@castigo1986]

I really can't wait to see these cpus come to the Thinkpad T14 format, the definitive work laptop for me.

[@HardwareCanucks]

The T14 is so good. The essence of the Thinkpad X1, pricing of a good Yoga.

[@kaiservulcan]

Hi guys, I love this channel and the chill and soft mood you give to your reviews. Thanks for the great job. Btw, this sentence "I asked AMD and Lenovo to prove that they can do better" seems quite bold! They must have been very scared 😂

[@MrPerrisC]

What I was looking for on strix, good job, thanks for the vid, with soldered RAM I'll try getting with 64 gigs, my cheapo 7 year old laptop has 32 gigs, 32 gigs on a premium priced laptop is not acceptable, I don't want to be forced into upgrade when I'll need more than 32 Hopefully next generation sports lpcamm2 ram, that's thinner, faster (9600) and socketed for future proofing, Lenovo already has a box with camm 2, they should have offered this with those sticks. Thanks again for this

[@AndrasBuzas1908]

I have a Zen 4 Lenovo (8845HS). It's crazy how much of a difference there is in such a short time!

[@Bushwacked487]

Disappointed to not see lunar lake included here. Someone in the market for a new thin and light is weighing zen 5 and LL.

[@HardwareCanucks]

This was focused on a power level that LL simply doesn't play within though.

[@abaj006]

Lunar Lake is an 8 core 8 thread chip. It's for light users, that sacrifice performance for battery life. The Ryzen chips are more flexible, because they can be efficient when needed, and perform as a workstation when needed.

[@leonmadara3903]

@@HardwareCanucks Yet you practically included the 33-watt AMD chip 🙄. This is the problem with laptop reviewers, conflict of interest. Money or openness.. I guess people must pay bills to "offset the cost of producing the video"

[@systemBuilder]

You dont compare a volkswagon to a ferrari, lunar lake just is too slow to be compared here ...

[@Bushwacked487]

@@systemBuilder LL appears to be faster in the ways important to 95% of consumers. Most don’t care about multithreading workloads like video editing or compiling. They want office tasks, gaming, and battery life.

[@anujpartihar]

Any plans to compare this new amd architecture with the new intel ones on similar power envelopes? I've heard the new intel chips are extremely efficient but low wattage, but the amd chips are extremely efficient from lower to higher wattages across the board which sounds even better!!

[@thrywyn]

I wish you would've tested intel lunar lake alongside them in this video

[@HardwareCanucks]

That would be tough since Lunar doesn't hit the power levels we're seeing here. Then again, when Arrow Lake H launches, its supposed to scale downwards below 50W so that video will certainly be made.

[@IkeSpeaksUp]

You might have just made me consider upgrading from my Lenovo Pro 7 X. Software updates seem to have ironed out most of the issues and this laptop no longer crashes or glitches so I'm kind of going to need a larger performance upgrade to get a new laptop

[@Robbe1984]

I ordered a Vivobook S 16 with Ryzen 365, 32 gb ram and 1 tb storage with 3200x2000 OLED. Here in Sweden I got it for roughly 1350 US dollars and overall I was impressed by it. It handles Autocad to some point, it's fairly quiet but it heats up. I'm returning it because there was no way to overclock the iGPU but this is possible on Lenovo laptops. My asus on the other hand went up to 56w during heavy testing.

[@ETophales]

Thanks a lot, that was quite interesting. Two things struck me in this: first, that the 8845HS has an edge over the 7840HS even though they're basically the same chip; and second that the RDNA 3.5 GPU is considerably faster than the 12% difference in RAM speed from the RDNA 3 one, and with the same number of CUs, suggesting that RDNA 3.5 has some real architectural advantages over RDNA 3.

[@HardwareCanucks]

You are correct but a lot of the differences for the 8845HS could be down to the silicon lottery. Possibly (no way to know) our 8845HS is a "good" chip while the 7840HS isn't.

[@ETophales]

@@HardwareCanucks True, although I think that's kind of the point of the 8000 family, that it's a respin that's meant to produce more "good chips". Although it's also possible that it's just an algorithm change that makes the 8845HS sustain clocks for longer, or something like this.

[@TednTin]

I usually don't comment but i feel like you did a mistake by not including 7845HS/8845hs at 30-33w. This is same as AMD 9700x release reviews where everyone compared it with 7700x and thought it is very efficient compared to zen4 but in reality when compared to 7700 at 65W it is similar in efficiency

[@HardwareCanucks]

This is certainly an interesting option and it was a bit outside the scope of this video which was to show how good (or not) Zen 5 COULD be when compared across identical systems, at its maximum power level.

[@TednTin]

@@HardwareCanucks hmm, still I disagree in some level because your graphs have Zen 5 at around 33W which made it look very efficient. But I guess like you said scope is different .

[@AyoHues]

Great comparison. Up there with the superb ASUS & Lenovo: Meteor Lake vs Zen 4 comparison from last year. ☺️ I suspect at lower TDPs, Lunar Lake Core 200 series will be the efficiency champion but its weak point seems to be multicore performance which is where a well optimised Zen 5 ultrabook might win out. I still think these Zen 5 parts are best for dGPU powerhouses though.

[@HablaConOwens]

I feel like there is a ways to go. Would love to see ddr7 in the future. These apus should be treated like socs

[@Jj82op]

It's been really interesting seeing the differences in power consumption and performance for these recent CPUs. Not something I would've noted before when looking at laptop specs, but will do next time I need to buy one.

[@HardwareCanucks]

Power is EVERYTHING in laptops

[@BrianKariuki]

I would have appreciated comparisons to Lunar Lake and Snapdragon Elite. You have a unique opportunity to test all the processors in the same chassis, the yoga 7 ha . I don't know why you insisted comparing with old gen chipsets, of course the new chip will be better. Comparison with current gen chips would have been better

[@HardwareCanucks]

We can't really do that for two reasons: A) Lunar Lake doesn't go above 35W at the very most. A comparison to a 54W+ setup would be excessively biased. B) The Lenovo Slim 7X (Snapdragon) uses a very different chassis, cooling setup, etc. Plus we really have no way to know exactly how much the X1E CPU is chugging back.

[@BrianKariuki]

@@HardwareCanucks I find this very disingenuous. You did a review for lunar lake and compared it to snapdragon, and even apple silicon. Honestly what I would be keen to see is a direct comparison of all new gen chipsets. This will inform buying for sure

[@Xenomystus]

@@HardwareCanucks Whatever. What counts is the performance the User experiences not some theoretical limit on theoretical laptops that don´t exist.

[@reiniermoreno1653]

​@@Xenomystusthose aren't theoretical limits lol and that counts for user real world experience

[@Son37Lumiere]

@@Xenomystus Comparing Lunar Lake at 37 watts (its max boost) vs the 365 at 54+ watts wouldn't be apples to apples. Lunar Lake would have much better efficiency but much slower performance. Sure he could have limited the 365 to 35 watts or thereabouts but then others have done that already.

[@ondrejbobek.]

A Lightroom AI Denoise test would be nice - if it shows any improvement over previous generations. The Intel Ultra 200V should be about 70-80% faster than the previous gen., but I don't see tests, just LR export or Puget benchmark results. And a comparison with Macbooks Air :)

[@brownfox1540]

You reviewed a lunar lake laptop less than a week ago. why not include it in the comparison graphs?

[@Qimchiy]

Watch Jarrod Tech. From his testing. The HX 370 is better in most games compared to the 258V. The 258V is more efficient, having better performance per watt. AMD also benefits from having AFMF. That was also tested. So, watch his video.

[@HardwareCanucks]

Because it doesn't hit anywhere close to the +/-50W we're testing here. That would be like testing a 9950X against a 14100...of courser the 9950X is faster but it consumes a ton more power and is in a completely different category.

[@tim3172]

@@HardwareCanucks CPU comparisons typically include a wide range of products to give relative performance. You can probably find 50+ CPU comparison videos that include the 9950X vs the 12100F, 8600k, and other popular products. 4090 vs 1060/480, etc. It's meant to give people perspective on what the market looks like and whether an upgrade is justified.

[@Jimster481]

​@@QimchiyI did watch it, but even his testing, like most channels testing, doesn't really involve the way that most power users will use a laptop. Just testing regular benchmarks, as well as a couple of video transcodes, really doesn't show performance or efficiency unless you do those specific tasks. I own a server company, do crypto trading and market research, web development and desktop software development. I usually have large numbers of tabs open, I like to run VMs for testing and regional displays and often have a lock

[@Qimchiy]

@@Jimster481 the regular benchmarks being.. 20 games?

[@hemmatv1582]

Numbers change when including dgpu in benchmarks. So a older gen cpu doesn’t matter if you do video edit and got a rtx3050 gpu.

[@XBnPC]

Zen 5 definitely looking good where wattage AND performance counts

[@danebeee1]

This isn’t even the hx 370 either.

[@HardwareCanucks]

The 370 is rated at about the same power levels as well, though a few levels down it's able to maintain higher speeds for longer periods of time.

[@taichi2955]

FYI, Asus vivobook S14 has 54W TDP HX 370 and CB2024 score is 1096/115

[@storm91229]

Any links to the product under review will be very helpful. And can you put out a video comparing it to their intel competition?

[@HardwareCanucks]

I wish....Lenovo was pretty evident that at least in North America, the Yoga Pro 7 Gen 9with the Ryzen AI processors isn't available yet. Meanwhile we needed to spend thousands (almost $6K CAD after shipping, duties, etc.) to import the other two devices from overseas. Because again, those weren't available here.

[@daftman6247]

Can you do a comparison on battery life cycle tests with both 57W and 33W mode on this laptop? I wonder how much battery it's possible to gain with a lower powered mode. Also a comparison with the new lunar lake could be great! Thanks guys!

[@armaan_bhangoo]

I have a question. If I get the yoga, and I'm playing a game like stardew valley but I'm not plugged into the wall. Is there a way to manually decrease the tdp to lengthen battery life?

[@KeyT3ch]

Why are we paying more for the Asus branded stuffs when it comes locked....

[@respectmathias]

Based on current pricing in my country (Denmark) the ASUS models are cheaper and come with more IO. The Vivobook S16 is 16 inch and still cheaper. Based on the promotional images I don't see any significant difference between Lenovo and ASUS cooling system. So you could sum up the Lenovo as having a higher tdp limit set. Edit: Unless you choose without an OS in which case it is about the same price as the Vivobook S16 (If you have an OS then it might make sense)

[@chrisbullock6477]

Thanks HC for the Real World, and Grown Up use case scenarios with a suite of programs people/mobile professionals/Home Business would actually be purchasing these laptops and using them. Instead of a bunch of "Gamer-centric" test and unnecessary testing that pulls away from the purpose of such a device.

[@chrs._.]

I think you should include more games that people are likely to be playing on the go. most people aren't whipping out their thin and light to play cs:go on a bus, they play some minecraft, or terraria, and other lighter games like that.

[@EVPointMaster]

Please add power consumption for different types of load to the reviews. I don't think 100% load is the most significant scenario.

[@HardwareCanucks]

That's a good suggestion. We've been looking into it and it should be rolled out early next year.

[@walter1824]

Can`t wait for the big boy Strix HALO (Which as they say is Ryzen 4070 level of performance 😂)

[@saedersolman6696]

Ryzen 4070 🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥

[@NachoTendies]

Mislabeled your R23 multi core test

[@martenkl-71]

Both models have Intel-counterparts, I would love to see a four-way comparison.

[@HardwareCanucks]

They actually don't since the Intel chassis, cooling, etc is very different.

[@martenkl-71]

@@HardwareCanucks From a consumer perspective the Asus Zenbook 16 S UM5606 is very similar to the UX5606. So "very different" is stretch isn't it?

[@pepejw]

@@martenkl-71 he meant the lenovo, the slim 7i is different to the pro 7

[@ofacesig]

This video highlights that manufacturers need to be more transparent about specs on their websites. Sometimes it's not very clear at all.

[@HardwareCanucks]

This is something we're actively pushing everyone to do.

[@syedusmanahmed]

How about comparison with Lunar Lake?

[@HardwareCanucks]

Lunar Lake doesn't hit anywhere close to the wattages being shown in this video so including it (even on a Lenovo laptop) would have prompted calls of bias. Its geared at a very different market than what the Pro-series caters to.

[@nster3]

Ryzen AI with the 890m is what pique's my interest

[@dotnetapp]

they are much more efficient in low wattage (much better performance / watt) which could be really intresting for gaminghandhelds, you could easily give it more power modes and gain 50-75% better batterylife with the same and even better gaming performance compared to the z1 chips. Or you go for 0% better batterylife and gain 25-40% more gamingperformance.

[@HardwareCanucks]

Well that's the interesting thing....it seems no laptop manufacturers are really interested in running these below 25W. Meanwhile I think they could be an amazing competitor against Lunar Lake in the 17W-20W category. Hopefully things change though.

[@Traumatree]

33W with a built-in GPU that offer 1080Ti perf is incredible!

[@HardwareCanucks]

That would be an interesting test wouldn't it? ;)

[@arypramudito2963]

nice but please add also price / performance ratio. do we need a newer 365 or stay at 8845hs 7840hs based on price it self

[@SHJeon-pl2sg]

In Cinebench R23 video, the textures of multi and single were changed.

[@SHJeon-pl2sg]

in 5:17

[@mariussm7797]

Ok but let's put it like this. This new Yoga Pro 7 with Ryzen 9 365 in my country is 1500$. While the last get Yoga Pro 7 with Ryzen 7 8845HS + RTX 3050 6GB is 1100$. Which should I choose if I want better gaming? Cuz on battery as long as you don't game or use that RTX 3050 they are almost the same as the results you shown, if you even drop the TDP in can be even better.

[@tomoconnell2320]

No one talking about the difference in single core performance when using CB R23 or 2024? The gains got cut in half. How do you not discuss this?

[@tim3172]

Because we're not imbeciles who require the explanation that having more cores means the all-core clock speed will be lower... like it's been... since the invention of multi-core CPUs, *especially* in mobile CPUs. Core 2 Solo in laptops: 3.13 GHz. Core 2 Duo in laptop: 2.83Ghz. Core 2 Quad: 2 GHz. Core i: same thing. Core Ultra: same thing. Zen 1-5: the same thing. Uhhh y u no tell me thing I herd las 2 decades?

[@a.j.haverkamp4023]

Too bad this power feed isn’t as simple to change as changing a Windows power scheme. Performance for maximum wattage, silent for a much lower wattage. That would be so nice. Power when you need it, silence and a cool laptop for the rest of the time.

[@Techonsapevole]

I still don't find these devices in the stores :(

[@HardwareCanucks]

What IS the competition then? I mean we could have put a 165H in there somewhere but the chassis, internals, power delivery, etc. of the Pro 7i is very very different. And Lunar Lake doesn't go above 35W, making that pointless too. This gave us the best apples to apples platform without setting outside variables like chassis design and other items I listed above.

[@kadajawi2]

I wish Huawei or Honor would make more AMD based laptops... IMHO they make the best overall package.

[@BravoNorris]

Why you are only comparing to other AMD generations? We need real world comparisons with intel CPU's also... How am i supposed to know what these benchmark results are measuring quantitatively when i'm coming from an intel and considering upgrading, if i didn't own a AMD laptop before...?

[@HardwareCanucks]

That's a lot harder due to chassis differences between AMD and Intel systems. We honestly wanted to do the same thing on the Intel side between Raptor Lake U, Meteor Lake U and now Lunar Lake but the chassis designs on the Intel side have changed so drastically that it would be like comparing apples to oranges. Meanwhile, from what we understand, the approach of Lenovo's 7 Pro, which is an identical interior / exterior design through three CPU generations is somewhat unique.

[@bradleycochran4595]

I have the Asus Zephyrus G16 with the AMD AI 300 9 with a RTX 4060. I get the best battery life of any Windows laptop. The keyboard, track pad, and screen are absolutely amazing. I am glad that I purchased it.

[@HardwareCanucks]

Well the G16 is a very, very different laptop. ;)

[@andyH_England]

I am not sure this is THE major architectural leap in laptops in the last ten years. I would say that Apple Silicon was and remains the game-changer, pushing Intel, AMD, and now Qualcomm to up their game. So, I am taking that statement as marketing rather than reality.

[@HardwareCanucks]

100% agreed, though Lunar Lake's approach for ultra efficiency in thin and light form factors might be a close second.

[@Son37Lumiere]

The only real reason Apple was able to achieve that though is because they control every aspect of their platform, from the hardware to the OS to the software; and because they have the money (because they charge equally high prices) they have had a node advantage ever since they started designing their own chips.

[@andyH_England]

@@Son37Lumiere They gad a business strategy and plan and implemented it to the extent where they have been highly successful for 15 years Other OEMs could have done the same but decided to use Android with off-the-shelf parts. Apple deserves their success as they gambled on their own innovation and designs, whereas many Android OEMs are simply buying everything in.

[@Son37Lumiere]

@@andyH_England Apple deserves nothing, they are a shat company that overcharges, controls, outsources for slave labor, dodges taxes, incorporates less than moral business practices and values profit above all like most corporations. Also, none of this is relevant. The point was the only reason Apple has the most efficient processors is because they have a very controlled system that can be ultra optimized at every level. This is easy to do when all you have to optimize for is a tiny group of hardware that you design and have complete control over every aspect of the software layer as well. Apple continues to be a niche product for a niche market for a reason.

[@Son37Lumiere]

@@andyH_England Apple deserves nothing, they are a garbage company that overcharges, controls, outsources for slave labor, dodges taxes, incorporates less than moral business practices and values profit above all like most corporations. Also, none of this is relevant. The point was the only reason Apple has the most efficient processors is because they have a very controlled system that can be ultra optimized at every level. This is easy to do when all you have to optimize for is a tiny group of hardware that you design and have complete control over every aspect of the software layer as well. Apple continues to be a niche product for a niche market for a reason.

[@ayushmalpeddi2793]

They should all have 32gb to be a fair comparison I think. From my understanding iGPU benefit from faster and more memory

[@-pcmr-108]

Would have been better if you had included Intel and Snapdragon into the comparisons. This video is sponsored I get it, butt it screams sponsored when you compare only AMD vs old AMD.

[@HardwareCanucks]

We could have easily added a Lenovo Slim 7x into the comparisons but like we've said before, it is excessively hard to determine exactly how much power Snapdragon processors consume. Plus this is meant to be a true apples to apples comparison with the same chassis across all three devices...and the Slim 7x has a very, very different setup, especially for cooling.

[@zaidulh]

Now we need a lunar lake in this same chassis.

[@HardwareCanucks]

The architecture is capped at 37W so its not like Lenovo would be able to make it run at a comparable 50W+

[@cbbbbbbbbbbbb]

I will never buy a lenovo, but I'm interested in seeing more strix laptops. I just picked up the Asus zenbook s14 lunar lake to test out but I really want Amd.

[@HardwareCanucks]

We're working on it but it looks like other options will be coming out in the next two months from Acer, etc. Stay tuned!

[@djayjp]

You didn't test the 890m equipped 370...? 🙄

[@HardwareCanucks]

Sadly, for apples to apples testing we haven't been able to get our hands in one. At least not with the alignments we were looking at for this video. We tried...

[@systemBuilder]

365 is a much better deal! Most of the graphics uplift is from RDNA3.5, NOT from the 4 extra CUs of the 370!

[@bradleycochran4595]

I think it is amazing that you are donating laptops to charity.

[@HardwareCanucks]

The partnership for this one allowed us to purchase laptops from overseas which is a CRAZY high expense. We feel its only right since the devices would not be used for anything else.

[@bradleycochran4595]

@@HardwareCanucks I occasionally purchase older laptops and donate them. There are so many kids who need than.

[@handlemonium]

Strix Halo coming 1H 2025, Arrow Lake Halo coming 2H 2025?

[@ricardogarcia-vi6hv]

When will the zen 5 ryzen 7 laptops available?

[@HardwareCanucks]

Good question. We'd love to know too. This could be due to AMD's wafer starts being very much dedicated to the server market and not towards mass market consumer products.

[@systemBuilder]

Monday. The Asus exclusive ends in October.

[@IvoPavlik]

​@@systemBuilder Did Asus have exclusivity? Outrageous!

[@systemBuilder]

@@IvoPavlik yes. Asus had exclusive access to zen5 aug-sept.

[@IvoPavlik]

@@systemBuilder I wonder why no one was talking about that out loud.

[@bankaimaster999]

Need to see a versus this and Lunar Lake ...

[@HardwareCanucks]

Not really since Lunar Lake caps out at 37W at the most, whereas these laptops we're looking at here head to much, much higher wattages.

[@Jenci]

What's like power consumption, sleep standby? I didn't see anywhere other than Phawx.

[@HardwareCanucks]

We love to know how anyone reliably tests standby consumption. There isn't a single reliable and repeatable method we've looked into.

[@edgargabriel6640]

I don''t like Apples to Apples 🤷‍♂ Therefore I buy Lenovo Legions at most😊 The 7840HS in the Legion Slim 5 14" Gen 8 does still fairely well for me. Waiting for a "Slim and Light" combining one of these AMD or Intel Ultra 2s with a dGPU beyond the 4070 I got in my Legion 7i Gen 8. Greetings from Germany 👋 BTW. good luck to the world with the US elections 🤔

[@allstones1462]

I'm confused, how the the latest OLED panel more power hungry than IPS panel? As you said you have normalized refresh rate and brightness.

[@HardwareCanucks]

Yeah refresh and brightness are both normalized. The main differences in panel technology is one of the reasons why very little emphasis was put on battery life testing here. While the difference is likely under 2W, it does have an impact.

[@tim3172]

OLED panels once they exceed the size of phones do tend to use more power, barring the screen being all or nearly-all black. There's a reason why LCD TVs don't require heat sinks while OLED TVs have ultra-extreme crazy brightness limiting algorithms that will dim the display if it detects a similar ABL (average brightness level) which exceeds some arbitrary value set by the manufacturer to keep them from dying prematurely. That, and the more efficient nature of iPad OS, is the reason why iPads last so much longer on a charge than OLED Android device, despite the latter having ~40%+ more total battery power. (Oled Monitors also do this btw, even more extremely than TVs do. Many force you to shut down the monitor every few hours to "refresh" the display.)

[@sdnnvs]

Imagine one AMD chip x3d for laptops!!!

[@rch5395]

Why do companies gimp high-end cpus with low power limits instead of using lower tire part?

[@HardwareCanucks]

Well for the Ryzen Ai series...there IS NO lower end part yet. Also, there's the flexibility option built into the power modes within these laptops. If you want faster, press button. If you want more efficient, press button again.

[@TheDude50447]

Please dont make it sound like the Yoga is better than the Zenbook. Yes it stays cooler at higher power draw ... but its like almost twice the size of the S16.

[@DSP_Visuals]

I'm interested in battery life with devices that don't have OLED panels. How much will it matter?

[@andyH_England]

From my use with both OLED and LCD, using LCD improves battery between 2-3 hours SOT doing office, browser and media streaming. I do not use dark mode as I do not like it during the day.

[@DSP_Visuals]

Nice, thanks for the info.

[@Act1veSp1n]

yeah, but they are also double the price. 3000 CAD in best buy for 370 - ridiculous.

[@michaelan9688]

Comparing gen on gen is great and all but not having the competition in here makes this video kinda pointless

[@karikaru]

@HardwareCanucks do you think we'll see a yoga pro 9i running zen 5 this fall? And if we did do you think it would be worth it over the Intel ultra 9 185h?

[@AlexanderAPW]

what's the NVME slot size?

[@larscwallin]

Sooo, Strix Point or Lunar Lake? 🤔

[@nhanNguyen-wo8fy]

This is not even ryzen hx 370. But because it has a better price than hx 370 and yoga should be cheaper than Zenbook S16. I think this make more sense.

[@HardwareCanucks]

We actually don't know what the final price of the Yoga is since its not officially available in North America yet. However, if the Slim 7i Aura Edition is any indication, I wouldn't be surprised to see this device being a bit less than the Zenbook. Then again it offers much better performance and scale to 54W+ so there's a premium attached to that as well.

[@tomoconnell2320]

So we get 25% more CPU cores and a new micro architecture, and that drives a ~10-15% boost in cinebench multicore? Really that’s it? That strikes me as a disaster.

[@tim3172]

It's almost like having more cores requires more power to be drawn through critical components, necessitating an overall lower max all-core clock speed, or something.

[@tomoconnell2320]

@@tim3172 my lord did you miss the point of my post. I’ll spell it out for you-you should be able to get more than a 25% improvement when you have an ipc bump and add cores. Particularly if many of those cores are designed to operate more efficiently than the prior gen (Zen 5c). You should expect to see a 30% bump if not more if you think zen 5 has a 10% ipc bump over zen 4. This is a mess because it’s only 10-15% not 30%+, and because the reviewer didn’t make any note of that discovery. Thanks for stopping by.

[@dhanush-_-2562]

This video is pointless without showing a comparison between other processors like Intel, Snapdragon, or Apple's M series. Simply comparing it to the previous generation is unhelpful, as everyone already knows it's faster. A comparison with the previous generation is only meaningful if the current generation is somehow slower than the previous one. Otherwise, there's no real point to this video.

[@HardwareCanucks]

Exactly which Lunar Lake or Apple M-series laptop processor scales to 50W? None. None use the same chassis or cooling either. So adding either of those would be...pointless.

[@dhanush-_-2562]

@@HardwareCanucks Including them would be great if those processors achieve the same or better performance with lower wattage. Also, Snapdragon and M-series processors are ARM-based i'm not saying arm is grate also i don't want to use mac. i'm saying adding them to the benchmarks is interesting. also there aren't many videos showing benchmarks of Intel's current-generation mobile chips.

[@Son37Lumiere]

@@dhanush-_-2562 There are other reviews out there that compare them all. Essentially, the Elite X has similar multithreading performance to the HX 370 but has serious compatibility issues with a lot of software and very poor iGPU performance. Lunar Lake's CPU performance is far behind either. In iGPU, its close to the HX 370 but still slower. Lunar Lake has similar efficiency to the Elite X. HX 370's efficiency is slightly worse than both.

[@vladmihai306]

no discussion, zen 5 can be good and is good. what is not good is the unjustified increase in prices

[@HardwareCanucks]

Supposedly Strix Point costs almost twice as much as the Ryzen 8000 series. Yikes.

[@albertoeffe8524]

The yoga oled panel doesn't have 600nits of brightness, why did you write that?

[@HardwareCanucks]

What we wrote was peak HDR. We will make sure to partition peak SDR and peak HDR into separate callouts next time.

[@Jimster481]

So where is the Yoga Pro 7 sold? I can't find this laptop anywhere.... I have an Ideapad Slim 7 Carbon w/ 5800U & OLED screen. It is the best laptop I have ever owned. I would be interested in buying the Zen5 version with the new updates and an even better screen, but this laptop seems to not exist just like how mine didn't exist....

[@HardwareCanucks]

We have been now told there's no plan on bringing this to North America...

[@Jimster481]

​@@HardwareCanucksOf course not, because there's some kind of underhanded deal with Intel, where only the Intel version will exist in America, just like for the last couple years, where only the Intel version existed. When I purchased my Slim 7 Carbon, my laptop was advertised absolutely nowhere, and I got it off of a warehouse vendor on eBay. Later on it was sold through Newegg and Amazon, but it was not advertised. You would have to search for Lenovo, IdeaPad, AMD OLED in order to find it. There was supposed to be a version with 32 gigs of RAM and an MX300, but that never came out either. Unfortunately, this is the state of the laptop market where Intel has underhanded deals which prevent the best laptops from coming to America or being available in any place where you are actually able to obtain them. When there are laptops available they typically are RAM limited versions. Making it hard to get 32GB laptops in the USA at all unless they are Intel or large gaming laptops. Anyway, my rants is over and I appreciate you guys looking into this for me. I suppose I'll just keep my current laptop.

[@Jajegomon]

How do those new laptops compare to a macbook with an m3 or m3pro chip? I'm interested, cause I want to buy a laptop for video/picture editing

[@hinugundam81]

Ok but how does it compare to Intel?

[@HardwareCanucks]

Unfortunately, we weren't able to find the Intel Pro 7i in a similar config to these. The chassis, cooling, etc were all very different. So the apples to apples comparison would have been thrown outta the Window. Also Lunar Lake won't be available above 37W.

[@hinugundam81]

@@HardwareCanucks It makes me wonder if lunar lake will be less powerful than the new Ryzen laptops based on potential overall wattage alone.

[@systemBuilder]

Intel is way less powerful - Intel is more like a Chromebook with four cores and 8 threads (intel eCore = 2nd thread). Each AMD c-core runs at 3.33Ghz vs 5.0 Ghz for p-cores, so its like 2/3 of a p-core. So hx365 = 4 p-cores + 6 c-cores *2/3 = 8 p-cores, 16 threads, equivalently.

[@hinugundam81]

@@systemBuilder it may be a gross generalization but usually more wattage potential would mean more computing power.

[@Son37Lumiere]

@@hinugundam81 Lunar Lake is a lot less powerful. It has the battery life crown but it's like comparing a Honda Civic to a V8 Camaro.

[@zooleebest]

even my lamps draw more power than that laptop at night.

[@Ralfountet]

Instead you can get the vivobook S16, which is 300 USD cheaper than the zenbook (make sure to get the one with the hx370 chip). It has a better screen and is power limited at around 50w. The only downside is that it is not as well built as the lenovo or zenbook. (also maybe lenovo has a touch screen)

[@bobleman2792]

@@Ralfountet And all laptops with new ryzens now ships with oled. I hate it

[@Ralfountet]

@@bobleman2792 what do you dislike with oled screen ?

[@bobleman2792]

@@Ralfountet for office/coding purposes it will become degraded after a year. But its literally productivity workload that they advertised such laptops.

[@Ralfountet]

@@bobleman2792 I just got an oled laptop, i will see i a year if it burns in. I Hope not but since my phone which is 4 years old doesnt have this problem, i don't have too much fears.

[@tim3172]

@@bobleman2792 My 4 year old HP Spectre X360 OLED strongly disagrees that they "become degraded after a year."

[@KarthikP-dr9ym]

For ai ml which laptop is best under $800 ? How important is a nvidia graphics card (in build) even if one uses a Google collab?

[@reversicle212]

wish it came with the370 or 375 tho!

[@captainlcm]

Did you put a glass panel over the air intake of your GPU

[@HardwareCanucks]

Its a solid 6cm away and there's intake fans below. Its more than fine. ;)

[@captainlcm]

@@HardwareCanucks ok lol good to know

[@Robbe1984]

Now compare these to intel's new u7 and u9 chips 😊

[@pepejw]

Just wondering, how does this compare to Lunar Lake? I was thinking about getting a Zenbook S 14, but I'm not sure whether I'll need the extra power. I prefer the design of the S 14, but do you think the lower battery life will matter, due to it lasting most of the day anyways. I also wonder whether the performance increase is noticeable enough to choose one over the other. The Lenovo also costs 300 GBP less, as it's on sale.

[@HardwareCanucks]

We compared Zen 5 to Lunar Lake in our dedicated Lunar Lake review. We tried as much as we could to normalize to +/-30W in that video. You can check it out here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eamkfndsnpqXjMU