NEW SONIC X SHADOW GENERATIONS GAMEPLAY - Live Reaction & Discussion! w/

[@thealandude9146]

ngl im glad the gameplay isn't just 100% boost cuz I can actually see stuff and hear stuff

[@johnathonturner2279]

I'd say it's about as much Boost as the other games.

[@EthanMallonee]

​@@johnathonturner2279Alan is talking about the gameplay, not the level design. The VGC footage especially has very little boosting, even in places where it should.

[@johnathonturner2279]

@@EthanMallonee Wait, were they just referring to the person playing the game?

[@dreamcastdazia4753]

​@@johnathonturner2279 Yes. Obviously

[@johnathonturner2279]

@@dreamcastdazia4753 Not obviously.

[@EthanMallonee]

Timestamps (to be updated as I go) 2:32 - Stream starts 3:54 - VGC footage begins (Classic Sonic model comparison) 14:14 - VGC Shadow footage 37:44 - ShackNews Shadow footage 58:35 - Takashi Iizuka interview (IGN) 1:28:53 - New voicelines (subtitles only) 1:29:09 - Menu screenshot (Fadel) 1:31:19 - Shadow level design thread 1:42:26 - S-rank animation (Fadel) 1:43:25 - Open-Zone hub world discussion 1:49:26 - More than one Act per stage? 1:53:32 - a few memes 1:55:03 - More neat improvements 1:58:51 - Shadow stage full footage (FadeL) [2:21:43 - W chat] 2:23:27 - IS THAT EARTH? 2:27:02 - GameXplain commentary (same footage as VGC) 2:37:15 - Quill physics 2:38:00 - Superchat/Donation catch-up 2:50:10 - Shadow Generations vs. Forces 3:04:16 - Lythero's Silver Campain intro 3:08:24 - Time Eater info 3:10:18 - Doom powers 3:12:09 - Final thoughts 3:13:16 - Sick Shadow fan art 3:15:58 - Credits

[@SamProcrastinates]

Putting this in the description!

[@NoNamex1412]

You forgot 1:59:20

[@NoNamex1412]

And 40:07 with the smooth UI

[@EthanMallonee]

Thank you ​@@SamProcrastinates, it was an honor. I just finished the vod and editing the timestamps, if you want them for the full video. Thanks for being such an entertaining and balanced fan!

[@PAHG2]

Something I've noticed about the spectacle moments are that the level keeps going. Usually, in Forces, there we be spectacle with minimal continuation of the level. Here, they give you a level, some spectacle, MORE level, another cool spectacle moment, and then some more level, then a combat arena, THEN the level ends. It would've been sick if we got more spectacle moments and then some in Forces, but we didn't, and so I'm VERY glad there there seems to be some of that here in this game. BTW, as the biggest fan of Sonic Forces, I have deduced that, at least from what I have seen, this is not on the same level as Sonic Forces at all.

[@MaxusFox23]

Yeah, this is nothing like, say, as braindead as Mortar Canyon (no endgame stage should be able to be completed in under a minute through normal means).

[@thealandude9146]

1:17:48 my man just went "sorry bro i didn't know you chill like that"

[@sonicstudios.]

What he said ?? There are no subtitles for me to translate (I'm using Translator)

[@Pepenic]

@@sonicstudios. the interviewer asked about a potential Sonic Unleashed remaster

[@sonicstudios.]

@@Pepenic Thank you very much

[@Pepenic]

@@sonicstudios. no problem brother

[@BritBox777]

Since Black Doom is the villain I am CALLING a final "Devil Doom" fight in the style of Frontiers Titan fights. Why wouldn't they? It's the same engine and they've given Shadow all these Frontier style combos and abilities. Throw in I Am (All of Me) by Kellin Quinn and you've got peak.

[@filipvadas7602]

This honestly gives me a lot of hope for Shadow being playable in the next game

[@walklytekel5713]

That'd actually be sick🔥

[@MaxusFox23]

And if the Biolizard looks gnarly in HD, imagine how they'll make Devil Doom look like... because something tells me Shadow's wings are the appetizer.

[@Bbyboy777]

Honestly I feel like the interviewer asked a very valid question that shouldn’t have been that hard to answer. He was basically trying to ask why there was no Classic Shadow, and how this dlc ties into the concept of “Generations”. The answer that they should’ve gave is that Shadow has no real “classic form” because he was created as a 16-18 year old, not born, and the dlc takes on his own personal experience with revisiting his past just as Sonic does with his.

[@somerandomguyintheinternet]

i noticed how chat was being kinda toxic, but other than that i like your analysis and opinions through out the vod!

[@foshio1598]

Was chat being toxic or did you just not like their criticism

[@precieux6303]

​@@foshio1598telling someone "your just nitpicking😢" isnt criticism

[@somerandomguyintheinternet]

@@foshio1598 i was talking about around the beginning of the vid where chat was asking sam to stop pausing

[@filipvadas7602]

Them going out of their way to enthasize that Biolizard is a Shin Godzilla level abomination is kinda awesome lol

[@UndeadVirus83]

33:13 Nah, if Mephiles is gonna be in it, he'd better be an actual boss. Cuz he was a *major* antagonist for Shadow, like, Black Doom level major. But I definitely think Shadow Android could be one of the rival fights.

[@jaydenlenzy3487]

I really hope Mephiles is in the game.

[@UndeadVirus83]

@@jaydenlenzy3487 As do I! He's genuinely my favourite overall Sonic villain to have ever debuted. And I know a lot of people have been asking for his return, so what better way to bring him back than with a game focused on revisiting the past!

[@jaydenlenzy3487]

@@UndeadVirus83 Exactly and I hope they bring back Dan Green to voice him.

[@filipvadas7602]

​@@jaydenlenzy3487they HAVE TO. Dan Green genuinely made him sound like *the devil* It was *perfect*

[@filipvadas7602]

Mephiles BETTER be a boss, if not a major villain in this story. He's a pretty huge part of Shadow's arc and is basically the closest Shadow has to an "ultimate" adversary

[@ansemthetrueseekerofdarkne2730]

The Biolizard boss fight blows literally all of the Meta Era's fights out of the water bar maybe OG Generations.

[@RaiginAnimator]

46:30 That’s not what’s happening the Hame site says it’s that chaos control is A returning power But they specify the doom rings and the other doom powers are new.

[@oOSonicexeOo]

(Sorry for long comment) To be completely honest I think most people are forgetting that while yes it is a sonic generations port so people are expecting an updated/remastered version of the game to an extent. The problem is that’s not why the game got a new version the whole reason they did this was for the shadow story. So it’s basically just an updated version of sonic generations with a shadow dlc. So anyone that complains about the quality of the sonic side of the game most likely hasn’t played the original version. Because realistically speaking why would they put loads of effort into the sonic side of things when the game is already pretty good on its own and the shadow story is what people are most likely going to be spending most of their time on especially from a replay ability standpoint. Also side note anyone that talks about sega adding stuff from forces or frontiers to the game just remember that sonic generations takes place before sonic forces so it wouldn’t make sense to add levels from those games because it would mess up the story.

[@RaiginAnimator]

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with wanting a littleee… more.

[@oOSonicexeOo]

@@RaiginAnimatoroh yeah that’s fine but I’m talking more about the people that are being overly critical of a 10+ year old game where the only thing to my knowledge that actually needed updating was the quality of the cutscenes. The shadow story is actually new content so it’s understandable if people are showing criticism towards it.

[@LightshifterGame]

Cope.

[@OmegaSon]

I like the biolizard being disgusting it reenforces the themes from sa2 ugly as it is lol

[@isitjustin4459]

Trying to think of other bosses they could add. Metal Overlord Devil Doom Mephiles Infinite Also Mephiles can absolutely be in this game because even though “everything is canon”… nothing is canon.

[@chrange9714]

Not Infinite cause Forces didn't happen yet, they don't pull stuff from the future only the past

[@CaptainF123]

My main fear is that the other act will be entirely 2D

[@hypersonic223]

My 2 most biggest questions for this game right now after watching everything we’ve seen so far is: When does Shadow’s Campaign take place and Can we play Shadow’s Campaign mid way or before the Main Campaign whenever we want to?

[@chrange9714]

Apparently Ian Flynn said that Sega isn't going to reveal when Shadow's campaign takes place as they want players to discover that for themselves but it will coincide with the main story. Pretty sure they also said you can play Shadow's portion whenever you want.

[@dasonicfan9760]

I used to be a story guy but I just kinda stopped caring because the more they go back and try to insert stuff the more they ruin things more which is just too frustrating every single time

[@chrange9714]

@@dasonicfan9760 That's never been the case at all.

[@dasonicfan9760]

@@chrange9714 I mean isn't that what sonic prime is

[@purplebruh947]

Sonic prime is not canon tho​@@dasonicfan9760

[@mrcwillis6970]

Gotta say I’m very impressed with what I’m seeing so far. Looks pretty good, both with sound and graphics. Gameplay for the levels and bosses looks fun. Feeling pretty positive and excited for this, just do hope it’s a good length. ❤

[@terabitez3374]

I’m praying they use very shadow villain as a boss and yes I’m including Infinite

[@filipvadas7602]

Black Doom sounds an awful lot like Frank Welker here. Which makes sense. I mean if you're gonna get someone to voice a planet conquering alien overlord, who better than the the voice of *Soundwave and Megatron*

[@MaxusFox23]

Some theorize it might be Zeno Robinson (Junpei in P3R) since he'll be presenting the SxSG panel in Anime Expo. I'm not that familiar with his work to support the claim tho, so take it with a grain of salt.

[@amejade]

GUYS THAT LEVEL WAS 6 MINUTES LONG WERE SO BACK

[@lightspeedchaos8420]

And that wasn't even the whole level

[@amejade]

@@lightspeedchaos8420 wdym Shadow got to the goal ring?

[@caldog619]

Sam pulled his quill out, and he said it was "THIS BIG"

[@Hynotama]

It took me days! But I think I know where I heard Dooms”’s exact voice before. It might be Malthael from Diablo 3 (some angel that was posing as the Grim Reaper). I kept thinking of Darksiders and fair enough, some random demons might sound like that, but now I’m fairly sure this is Malthael.

[@barcel_2.380]

They flew you in lock in! Lmaooo 💀💀

[@NanagoBlake]

6:46 Bud is taking the piss outta someones voice😂

[@brianwilcox1686]

Now, if only we can get a sonic unleashed remake or remaster 🙌🙌

[@vegitofaniguess]

Sonic x silver unleashed

[@Darkslayer1534]

That jack guy in the chat kept spamming the same thing the entire chat...christ

[@heheheha206]

super exited!! I'm pre-ordering in august!!!

[@Mohamed58290]

The guy who said dont pause is dumb with all my respect we all saw this gameplay 50 times already

[@josephwilson3180]

I saw another gameplay video from the ARK level. The blue towers were not attached to the ARK! The treasure hunting levels always called them “inverted towers.” I thought they were supposed to be projections sticking out of the ARK. Am I getting this wrong? It seems like some lore got missed. The KZbin channel was “alisson limonada.”

[@Rabbit_invader1]

1:27:02 Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog... 😶

[@kingkrysen]

"Britney Spears" lol 🤣

[@thesuperdupercoolsebassapl4426]

27:39 the biolizard had teeth 🦷? Now since when the heck did the biolizard now have sharp teeth 🦷 like he’s a t-Rex 🦖 or Godzilla ?

[@thatboidarock3731]

11:17 It sounds like they’re talking about something else (if you know what I mean).

[@BlastPastFast]

Bro they’re just gills have you ever seen a fish before?

[@jeromemccalla9520]

How long is this shadow portion of the game? Anyone know.

[@chrange9714]

Izuka said it's shorter than base Gens and I could be wrong but I heard Kishimoto was interviewed and said the campaign would be two to two and a half hours.

[@Nickystolz]

I’m hoping it’s at least 3 1/2 to 4 hours

[@mrskinhehe4064]

Does he know that midora (idk how to spell her name) leaked that sonic heroes is possibly getting a remake

[@MegamanElric16]

27:33 Gills

[@JackAttack58]

Sam I wanna know what you think of Kirk's voice in sonic x shadow generations!

[@lightspeedchaos8420]

The animation is clean

[@thetruesquad5059]

Could you always homing attack grind rails in sonic games cuz shadow did it he did a homing spindash attack on the grind rail

[@gordonfreeman5735]

Not in every sonic game no, but you could in Generations I’m pretty sure.

[@XP9724]

1:01:22 MR IZUKA GET DOWN🤣🤣🤣

[@TiredOldHack]

Hey! I'm Chris Scullion from VGC, the guy who narrated the video. I'd respectfully suggest you don't complain about my voiceover if you're using our footage. We made the effort to travel to Summer Game Fest to secure this footage, so if you're annoyed I don't use a fake KZbin 'HEY DOODZ' excited voice because I don't want to hurt viewers' ears with microphone distortion, maybe just accept that different people have different styles, and let it slide considering we provided the content you're getting donations for. Thanks, have a good day!

[@davidbravo923]

It’s not that serious little bro.

[@eevis588]

@TiredOldHack Although the way Sam has made his statement on your footage was rather harsh, it still should be noted how you in your commentary don't give off the energy that people (especially from Sonic community) want to hear, or in other words, it sounds like you rather be anywhere else but at SGF. If you wish to continue as a footage and commentary provider, you should be prepared for the reactions similar to Sam's here, and be ready to accept or take into consideration the criticism that you receive. Respectfully.

[@TiredOldHack]

⁠​⁠@@eevis588Nah, respectfully, I don't agree that I should have to consider changing my style and adopt a fake one that isn't me, just to fit in and sound like everyone else. I just think it's a bit of a poor move: people lifting the content we worked hard to acquire and profiting from it isn't new to us, it happens all the time. But usually people are decent enough to be respectful about it or, at the very least, link to the original video. Instead there's a donation link and nothing else. I've been doing this professionally for 18 years, and I'd prefer to be treated with at least a degree of respect when people are making use of the VGC team's experience by 'borrowing' our content. It's a lot easier to sit back and make fun of people than it is to travel from the UK to Los Angeles, get the footage and share it with our viewers.

[@son-of-1810]

@@TiredOldHackIt sounds like you’re taking this too seriously, if the things he said annoy you this much then you’re in for more annoyances whether you like it or not. If you’re saying you won’t change then neither will Sam or anyone else. Using your logic, it’s easy to sit down and try to have laid back voice, that also comes off as uninterested. Which isn’t good.

[@VongolaXZax]

​@@son-of-1810definitely agree. Sam's just being honest and not giving anyone a hard time, not asking anyone to change. Even people who work at Gameinformer and Gameranx know how to take constructive criticism, when people talk about similar things, (i.e. their voice or way of sounding) in stride and even a good sense of humor! 😂 And I've been watching and following them for a long time, never seen Jake Baldino say anything remotely similar.

[@areakastudios6704]

it literally just ended

[@Tyulenin]

still hate the HE2 lighting. I don't expect the physics to change, but eh, no one cares at this point.

[@chrange9714]

The lighting is awesome

[@pinhe4d321]

Physics arent HE2 thing.

[@TurkTin]

The fact the pathways are as linear as they are when you compare them to dream teams rich level design is kind of sad even if this is a B team. Also, dream team had 0 2D sections and it was a MOBILE GAME so I absolutely expected more from this. I cannot deny this games killer aesthetics tho, very grateful Sega is realizing Sonic is best when he turns into an unhinged shonen.

[@chrange9714]

SA2 as well as many other past 3D had just as linear segments so I guess that game disappointed you too lmao

[@TurkTin]

@chrange9714 Yeah, sa2 is inferior to sa1 in a lot of ways. Sa1 had some linear segments too, but the levels were fairly open-ended, and felt a lot bigger in comparison to sa2's levels which had a lot of hallways which definitely made up more than 50% of that games level design, and in my opinion sa2 is a miserable game to play through more than twice because of the inferior level design that hinders the replay value. While I've played through sa1 at least 7 times throughout my life and still get some enjoyment out of it when I revisit it. This comment wasn't really shitting on linear games in general though, I love Unleashed and Generations but this is just coming from someone who wants a more open sonic game more in line with the classics (not to be a purist) but when I see a new sonic game Im always looking for things that made sonic 3 & 2 so special. Which is probably why my inital reaction to this game was pretty underwhelming not to mention I am definitely fatigued of the boost, but now that I've seen some more gameplay, I'm feeling a little more positive on the game even though it still looks inferior to dream team level design.

[@BritBox777]

Asking 1 hour for the Shadow campaign is painful. To even justify this project it needs to be around 3 hours at worst, otherwise they've just got another Sonic Forces on their hands and it will be treated as such.

[@journie3042]

I don't think you understand how hard is it to make and mantain a full fledge 4 hour sonic game with the boost formula without you having to blast thru all the level design and details of all the acts/levels within the span of 20-40 mins max. Unleash has that werehog stuff but that wasn't sonic gameplay now is it?

[@BritBox777]

@@journie3042 Nobody mentioned Unleashed. Nobody.

[@electricsoul3355]

@@BritBox777it was an example of how the boost formula is crazy hard to develop.

[@BritBox777]

@@electricsoul3355 Nobody said anything about the boost formula either. We have seen level Acts, hubworlds and boss fights. At minimum we should expect 4 level themes, 2 acts each. Reasonable to suspect a boss fight for each 'era' like what Generations did (Black Doom and Biolizard confirmed). Add in collectibles and challenges into the hub world we've seen and there's no reason this game couldn't be 3 hours long. If (and this is IF) it ends up closer to 1 hour then people should be very - very- mad.

[@amari648]

@@BritBox777everyone doesn’t have to be mad like you and the fans in the crowd liked Unleashed so I mean yeah. Even Premydaremy said the ENTIRETY of the Shadow gameplay shown is better than Forces so stop trying to compare this to forces. And you brought up FORCES, which is a boost game so dude above can bring up Unleashed, another boost game.

[@bariousmanfold]

Please do not have Mardiculous or Matthasnocuts or whatever on stream again while you watch and discuss new gameplay. He's super annoying and these streams are way more enjoyable when it's just you and the chat discussing like the stream you did looking at new gameplay from Choctopus.

[@luigiluigi1890]

So you like when people are alone and everything is more quiet and when none of their nice friends are on the stream to have some banter, something that causes only few people like you to be uncomfortable or disgusted. Ok

[@prplbowtie]

bro's mad LMAO

[@bariousmanfold]

@@luigiluigi1890 No, I like when people aren't accompanied by extremely annoying toxic Sonic "fans," don't even try to label them as "nice friends" lmao. He has plenty of banter with the chat already and many people have said they find those guy's annoying so idk what you're on about lol.

[@reggielacey2235]

Wow Bro still gos stuff to complain about

[@journie3042]

lotta nitpicks

[@OmegaSon]

We ain’t at the best of what sonic can be. Not yet. It’s understandable to have some constructive criticism, don’t mistake that for complaining or being hating we’ve been waiting years for things like this. Sam just want what’s best for Sonic, I can feel for what he’s saying a lot personally

[@journie3042]

@@OmegaSon became too toxic bout it, to the point of nitpicking the small things. Has to point out everything how he wants it to be. The level design is already miles better than what base frontiers and forces had offer. Pausing every sec and complain it's obnoxious.

[@RaiginAnimator]

@@journie3042your doing exactly what the guy said not too I get that you are frustrated that after you saw more of the game and you like it More people find small problems that to you don’t matter But let people criticise things it’s he best way to improve saying what a game is doing wrong is just as important as saying what it’s doing right We’re all sonic fans here

[@chrange9714]

​@@RaiginAnimator That guy makes a very good point. If you're going to criticize something to make the game better, you criticize things that are actual problems. Not little nitpicks that ARE insignificant to everyone or should be anyway. That's not helping to improve a game, that's being upset that a game isn't exactly how you specifically want down to the very last detail