Sorcerer level 20: metamagic machine Ranger level 20: hunters mark does 2 more damage
@wizrad20992 ай бұрын
D&D hates Rangers apparently.
@malmasterson38902 ай бұрын
@@CavemanToaster A lot of Ranger problems would be fixed if they just made Hunter's Mark a feature that scaled like a spell. An extra d6 every 4 levels would make the capstone way better.
@thejammiestjam2 ай бұрын
I was just thinking that! RIP rangers, they deserve better.
@GeezLightning2 ай бұрын
They are still being punished for being absolute monsters in 4th.
@Koranthus2 ай бұрын
Hunters mark does more damage than 2 on that upgrade also every attack at advantage, also comparing level 20 is pointless, it was in 2014, it still is. Less than 5% of the playerbase play above 17.
@DnDDeepDive3 ай бұрын
New favorite full caster. Aaaand... having seen the table, I really want to play a Wild Magic Sorcerer now. That feels weird to type ;).
@vangyang16963 ай бұрын
I can’t wait to see what you cook up!
@thewholesomecultist67023 ай бұрын
Gasp I thought for sure that’d be the warlock for you d4 Also question if your d4 and your d6 when with the dungeon dudes what would make you d8, d10, d12, d20, and d100 mayhaps🤔
@catchingphoenixrtr3 ай бұрын
I would love a Draconic Sorcerer as well built by your hands 🙌🏻
@DnDDeepDive3 ай бұрын
@@thewholesomecultist6702 I mean, yeah, I'll still probably end up making more Warlocks. 😇 I just love Gishes too much and new pact of the blade is ... so hard to resist.
@Razdasoldier3 ай бұрын
Already did with the buffs in ua.
@malmasterson38903 ай бұрын
"Innate Sorcery is like the Sorcerer's Rage." Shut up I'm already sold.
@Razdasoldier3 ай бұрын
I straight up call it spell rage
@keonilewis64823 ай бұрын
Literally same
@bugbeargravene12483 ай бұрын
@@Razdasoldier you mean MAGE RAGE
@Razdasoldier3 ай бұрын
@@bugbeargravene1248 I could go mage rage
@RulesLawyerDnD3 ай бұрын
@@bugbeargravene1248 or to make the wizards angry Sage Rage.
@RulesLawyerDnD3 ай бұрын
Draconic Sorcer. 01. More AC and higher HP. 02. Extra spells - draconic spells - 3rd dragons breath, 9th summon dragon, 03. Resistance without the costing Sorcery points. 04. Get the wings sooner but limited. 05. Dragon companion. Cast the summon dragon spell for free and no concentration.
@steveaustin26863 ай бұрын
I'm not so sure the AC 13 + mod + shield and +1 hp/Sorcerer level are getting higher. He compares them to other Sorcerers, so I bet they don't change.
@RulesLawyerDnD3 ай бұрын
@@steveaustin2686 plus shield. They can used shield or the spell shield.
@momojiroklire28163 ай бұрын
"no concentration" . . . Something another class needs
@malmasterson38903 ай бұрын
@@steveaustin2686 In the playtest they changed it to 10+Dex+Cha, so later on it can absolutely get higher if that went through.
@Enderl4ne3 ай бұрын
WE ARE SO BACK!
@Bertramtalespinner2 ай бұрын
So a Wizard is a cook who follows a recipe precisely and a Sorcerer is a cook who just knows what to do with a chicken and adds ingredients in the moment. Warlocks are Fast Food joints pumping out Eldritch burgers all day long. How's my analogy?
@whoisj2 ай бұрын
frighteningly accurate.
@FrankDrebbin-de3te2 ай бұрын
Warlocks have a patron. So they belong to a franchise and get the secrets of 11 herbs and spices.
@mothmanisthebest7404Ай бұрын
@@FrankDrebbin-de3teTheir patron is their manager.
@LouisTravieonАй бұрын
Pretty accurate haha! I always like " wizards can cast a lot more spells, but sorcerers can cast them far better.
@chadbrochill19Ай бұрын
Would you like fries with that? I mean... Eldritch Blast
@RulesLawyerDnD3 ай бұрын
Wild Magic Sorcerer. 01. Wild Magic is going to happen more often and giving more options at later levels. 02. Easier to get tides of chaos back. 03. Level 18. Once per day you force Wild Magic to happen but you get to choose what happens. Can't use last row. 04. The Wild Magic table has changed. 05. Spell list has been added to the wild Magic table......maybe good. Confused also.
@gaynornorcott98423 ай бұрын
no they were saying the wild magic table takes the place of a spell list because it contains so many additional spell effects
@flannelogue3 ай бұрын
Rolling on a d1000 wild magic table against a giant snake monsters and randomly summoning more harmful snakes will forever be my greatest wild magic achievement.
@DreadlordSauron2 ай бұрын
What a hero, ty for the summary kind soul
@catpoke95575 күн бұрын
@@flannelogue My greatest achievement so far is having a magic surge without having a magic surge. I used chaos bolt and somehow it managed to bounce multiple times, temporarily killing my companion's familiar, and almost killing my actual companion. They were DOWNED. And there was a guy in the room who we didn't know if we was aggressive or not, and someone we knew for sure was aggressive too.
@RulesLawyerDnD3 ай бұрын
Abberant sorcerer and Clock Work sorcerer 01. Mostly the same. 02. Wording has chanced to match new rules and clear up some things.
@mireladantas14913 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for taking the time to write these lists down! Great job!
@canonur34913 ай бұрын
Wait, nothing changed with my dear and lovely aberrant mind sorcerer?
@kongoaurius2 ай бұрын
There are rumors that you can't change your extended spell list anymore
@timxoutАй бұрын
they said the sublasses would be mostly the same, but they unfortunately did nerf the clockwork soul and gut the aberrant mind
@RulesLawyerDnDАй бұрын
@@timxout how so?
@RulesLawyerDnD3 ай бұрын
01. Innate sorcery - advantage when you cast sorcerer spells and spell DCs go up. 02. You can change a cantrip when you level up. 03. You get both Font of magic and meta magic at level 2. 04. New meta magic options also some meta 05. 5th level Sorcery restoration allows you to get back Sorcery points. 06. 7th level sorcery incarnation. Spend sorcery points to get innate sorcery back. 07. Also you Can use two meta options on spells while using innate sorcery 08. 20th level. Arcane apotheosis. You can use meta magic without spending sorcery points while using innate sorcery. 09. Tactical versatility on the fly was the goal for this class.
@SummDude1683 ай бұрын
*innate
@RulesLawyerDnD3 ай бұрын
@SummDude168 thanks. I'll fix that
@Enderl4ne3 ай бұрын
We are so back
@RulesLawyerDnD3 ай бұрын
@Enderl4ne I agree but there is one more thing I wish they would have added.
@TrooperS963 ай бұрын
My fave class got better. Based
@nitro_dynamite182 ай бұрын
Draconic Bloodline capstone should have been turning into a dragon, not summoning one as a pet. If I wanted a pet, I'd play Ranger. I want to BE the dragon.
@cordell224Ай бұрын
If I can also cast spells as a dragon count me in!!
@eggiboiroi18 күн бұрын
i get this *so* much but i have a feeling in their minds they went “if they wanted to transform into a creature then they’d play a druid” but like. give me a dragon druid then??? edit: i also want the feature to be turning into a dragon and ALSO the ability to have a dragon come to your side (i feel like that would give best dragon flavor) and i think a piece of that could’ve been given to my sweet baby the shadow sorcerer and allow us to become our hounds of i’ll omen because i’ve wanted to do that since day ONE!
@RobWeld572 ай бұрын
Sorcerer can cast a 5th level concentration spell without cost and without concentration. Yet the Ranger still has to concentrate on Hunter’s mark that is a 1st level…
@jameshopkinsipg2 ай бұрын
Ranger's hunter's mark concentration won't be broken by damage. Pretty much the same thing here bud. Only thing that'll break it is being incapacitated they'll both lose their turns. Also forgetting free castings of it to counter that fact and the fact that ranger still gets to do its full course of damage really even if its not up. Unlike a sorcerer when a spell is down...its down and their cantrip locked.
@ryanadshead48092 ай бұрын
@@jameshopkinsipg how ever any other concentration spell is locked out while using hunters mark for approx. 2 more dpr.
@EPICSAWIKI2 ай бұрын
@@jameshopkinsipgBro the ranger has to use its bonus action to cast hunters mark and also use its bonus action to control its beast. Not to mention the paladin doesn’t need to concentrate on its aura, if rangers have to concentrate on their core ability then you’re specifically limiting what they can do in combat while other classes can do stuff just fine. Also capstone ability is +2 damage? That’s just lame. Idk man, it feels bad to me
@chadbrochill19Ай бұрын
@@EPICSAWIKI Eldritch Blast! Okay, come get me when my turn is up again.
@palmski_91383 ай бұрын
Fingers crossed we got more spells known per subclass now
@eliascabbio75983 ай бұрын
It's probably the case, they made it clear when talking about the spells
@felipesoares49423 ай бұрын
And we can get more than 1 spell per level up
@gyorgyor77653 ай бұрын
The OG subclasses getting spell lists is confirmed.
@RulesLawyerDnD3 ай бұрын
I hope they do something. Because the thing that truly made a sorcerer special was basically given to every casting class. Please don't eff over this class
@eliascabbio75983 ай бұрын
@@RulesLawyerDnD what are you talking about? Sorcerers are unique becuase they cast fewer spells but more powerful
@krezon31383 ай бұрын
I know it wasnt in ua, but i think a neat way to synergize the sorcerer class mexhanics to its subclasses would be with sublass specific metamagics. They've really made these types of synergies an important part of the other'24 classes so far. Hopefully well get something in that vain.
@FBI_Metal_Slime3 ай бұрын
I like draconic sorcerer changes (no resources needed for resistance, wings flying speed might actually compete with the fly spell now, and finally having an expanded spell list is huge) but the capstone feature could really use a tweak IMO. Being able to summon a dragon better than anyone else is really cool don't get me wrong, but I would much prefer if the capstone ability allowed the sorcerer themselves to become a dragon. Unless true polymorph has been added to the base sorcerer spell list, a draconic sorcerer still won't be able to fully become a dragon meanwhile classes like wizard and bard (with no connections to dragons) can. You could just tweak the draconic sorcerer capstone ability to being exactly what it is now, being able to cast summon dragon for free once a day without concentration, but with the option to instead cast true polymorph (with the limitation of only being able to choose dragon type monsters) on yourself for free once a day.
@Merilirem3 ай бұрын
I was hoping to become a dragon too. Imo they could have just given us the summon dragon spell and a wildshape ability that mimic polymorph spells as if they were gained a level early. The rage could easily be changed into a wildshape for the subclass.
@ana...pАй бұрын
Yess, becoming a dragon even if is for a short time would be cool😢
@juanfranciscomarcos24893 ай бұрын
The only thing that worries me about the Draconic Sorc is the invalance of the elemental types. Playing anything other than fire (specially acid or god forbid, poison) felt like handicaping yourself. Gotta see if they changed how resistences and inmunities work in general in the MM
@darkmagicfan3 ай бұрын
Especially ironic how fire is the most resisted element
@BeaDSM3 ай бұрын
@darkmagicfan is that not poison?
@hotuannam53462 ай бұрын
It always works both way when it comes to the elemental damage type. The more common damage types (fire, poison) are also more resisted so if you have more chances to resist the damage, the monsters can against yours too. Less common damage type (lightning, acid, cold) meanwhile get less resisted so you don't get to use the resistance more often but monsters also are less likely to resist your damage.
@soveris38943 ай бұрын
Love the sorcerer changes, they were desperately needed. Draconic I have mix feelings about. The new stuff sounds really cool and changes the subclass up but makes it feel like a caster pet class. I was hoping for more of embracing your inner dragon as you leveled, such as at higher levels turning into a dragon. Without seeing the final print, as presented here Draconic sounds more like a Wizard subclass that specializes in summoning dragons and utilizing their powers more than your own.
@haravikk3 ай бұрын
But can the Draconic Sorcerer cast True Polymorph in the 2024 book? The biggest issue for me was always that literally any Bard, Druid or Wizard can turn into an actual dragon (near permanently in the case of Bards and Wizards), while the *DRACONIC* sorcerer couldn't. Having a dragon buddy is fine, but we don't pick draconic sorcery so that everybody *except us* gets to be a dragon.
@WilliamTaylorII3 ай бұрын
Exactly this. If I wanted a dragon buddy, I'd be the ranger version. I want to *become* a dragon. And no, being a dragonborn doesn't count. It's the transformation to dragon that is interesting, not just starting as a dragon man.
@Merilirem3 ай бұрын
@@WilliamTaylorII Exactly. Also dragonborn are not dragons either. Turning into a dragon is so basic its a part of every other game with dragons. Yet this dumb game can't understand what we want.
@Merilirem3 ай бұрын
@@WilliamTaylorII I want to be like a druid and have a wildshape, but limited to being a dragon of my chosen type. Have the form grow stronger as I level and let me transform better than the other casters with magic spells. Like seriously, the draconic sorcerer should be the first to turn into a dragon in the party and do it better.
@PauLtus_B3 ай бұрын
@Merilirem I think it'd be better to have a dedicated shapeshifting class where you could basically customise your alternate form(s?) I'm kinda missing that.
@WilliamTaylorII3 ай бұрын
@@PauLtus_B yes! And this would allow me to make a real WoW style druid that could specialize in just one or two forms for combat.
@phillipjones22783 ай бұрын
I’m not sure being a dragon summoner is what I’m imagining as much as the character embodying draconic power but it’s a good option to have regardless.
@Merilirem3 ай бұрын
I am absolutely sure its not. They seems to have misunderstood and seen sorcerers as tapping into outside forces rather than embodying things like ancient draconic bloodlines and inherent power to weave the world like a dragon or other mighty being would. I just wanted a draconic transformation. I was hoping for a wildshape type of ability, but for dragons. Something that mimics those polymorph spells the wizards and such use but better because we are literally dragons.
@wwams95132 ай бұрын
I certainly agree, I love draconic sorcerer, but I dislike a dragon guy that summons a dragon... It's redundant and Sorcerers are all about innate power, we have dragon Blood inside, I dont like summoning dragons...
@JhonatanAsalas3 ай бұрын
At last, my favorite class
@PainCheeZe3 ай бұрын
Same brother 🔥
@007ohboy3 ай бұрын
Sorcs 4 life, my breathern! 😅😂 🎩 🪄 🔮 ✨️
@Uutalo3 ай бұрын
Sorcerers forever baby🤙
@silasvaughn36033 ай бұрын
Amen brother
@geoffreymarkin73553 ай бұрын
Same! And Dragon Sorcery is really improved! I'm excited.
@dub37733 ай бұрын
I wish Storm Sorcerer was part of the PHB. I'm hoping there's some kind of elemental themed book later that brings back the Storm Sorcerer as well as the Tempest Cleric (I know you can technically play them with the 2024 rules) but still.
@5-Volt3 ай бұрын
Yeah really wish Storm & Divine Soul were in the PHB instead of the 2 Tasha's subclasses...
@codymarshall5873 ай бұрын
Tempest Cleric truly does not belong in its previous form, it was almost always a dip on a storm sorcerer or a wizard
@imayb13 ай бұрын
Tempest Cleric was replaced by Sea Druid. IMO, they got rid of over-lapping caster themes (like storm casters) in favor of more distinctive roles. A good GM will work with you to put together a storm caster that will work at your table.
@life-destiny11963 ай бұрын
I loved the thematics of Storm Sorcerer but was a little underwhelmed by what it actually did.
@colinrobertson75803 ай бұрын
@@life-destiny1196 that's why they should have fixed it and put it in the PHB
@PainCheeZe3 ай бұрын
Xzibit: Yo dawg, I heard you like Dragons Me: Rolling a Dragonborn Draconic Sorcerer Both: *Rubs hands together manically*
@Irrevenant_3 ай бұрын
One of my players came up with the genius idea of having wild magic surge get more likely every time it doesn't go off as if it's building up inside of the sorcerer
@casualtuna29143 ай бұрын
For level 18 I feel like a free Draconic Transformation spell when you use your innate spellcasting without using a concentration is cooler and better than a dragon companion that you can already summon from 9th level
@plasticmans30363 ай бұрын
That‘s same for me as well
@casualtuna29143 ай бұрын
@@plasticmans3036or just give us a feature to become a full ass dragon!
@Merilirem3 ай бұрын
I feel like the draconic summon should have just been a spell on the draconic sorcerers spell list.
@Merilirem3 ай бұрын
They should give Draconic sorcerers a dragon wildshape. One that lets us become a dragon form that grows in power as we level. Starting as a lesser dragon then eventually becoming a dragon worthy of level 18-20. Mostly we should be able to outperform the other classes using spells to transform themselves.
@ethanconley13822 ай бұрын
I agree
@Merilirem3 ай бұрын
I WANTED TO BE A DRAGON. Seriously just give us a wildshape style ability. Let draconic sorcerers become dragons as part of the class. Don't give us drakewarden pets.
@darkmagicfan3 ай бұрын
@@Merilirem ik it isnt the same but you could flavour Mage Rage as your "Dragon Up!"
@ballsbayonets98223 ай бұрын
@@darkmagicfan Not even close.
@JacksonJinn2 ай бұрын
The fact Way of the Ascendent Dragon *monk* is now more of a true Dragon transformation than Draconic Sorcerer is distressing. Taking away permanent flight was too much to boot.
@pontusleblanc14812 ай бұрын
Yeah the focus on summons is disappointing. And it sound like they're making the wings another resource to track rather than permanent feature.
@pontusleblanc14812 ай бұрын
What they really need though is more flexible options for species. You should be able to pick dragon as your RACE rather than juggle a bunch of class abilities and subpar races to try to make one. I've been in games where people have played as dragons, unicorns and all kinds of other magical creatures but it's all homebrew.
@NoodleCreature3 ай бұрын
So if dragon sorcerers get a concentration free summon, why can't rangers get concentration free hunters mark?
@Enwickote3 ай бұрын
ofc it's so much harder to concentrate on marking an enemy than summoning a dragon... I mean no maybe not lol
@badmojo07772 ай бұрын
the whole book is jsut a lsit iof options and suggesitons, form 1e to the new game, your table your rules
@NoodleCreature2 ай бұрын
@@badmojo0777 true, and that doesn't help the thousands of players who rely on things like Adventures League to play or have GM's that avoid "homebrew". We're allowed to question their game design.
@Koranthus2 ай бұрын
because it stacked with other concentration damage stacking abilities, making it scale too much for free, having an always on 1d6 bonus, one of their level 3 subclass features(which basically every subclass gives another always on extra 1d8 damage), plus another 1d8 from say steelwind strike, so your level 5 Longbow Ranger on Round 1 does 4d8+1d6+12(8 from +4 Dex on 2 attacks+4 for Archery)+Advantage on the steelwind strike+30ft movement and 3d8+1d6+12+no opportunity attacks every turn after that or 3d8+2d6+12(if you wanted Hex from some method) every turn. Sure the concentration Mark damage is still 3d8+1d6+12 but at least you dont get an extra die+extra effects. Considering a level 5 barbarian is doing 4d6+12+Rage on his first turn, this seems fair since your Ranger now has Expertise, Exploration and Spellcasting on top of that.
@NoodleCreature2 ай бұрын
@@KoranthusI appreciate you bringing some math into it and I'm very much looking forward to Aug 1 when folks with early access copies can show us the math in more detail. But I'm not following along with your example. Steel Wind Strike, as I understand it, does not interact with Hunter's Mark and is not concentration so it wouldn't overlap anyway. Zephyr strike is concentration but is not "always on," it's "once before the spell ends" and also takes a bonus action so you couldn't use both on round 1 anyway. And while Hunter's Mark can be "always on" it has an action economy cost to do so whereas something like the Berserker Barbarian does truly get an always on extra die and that isn't single target restricted. I don't get why the higher level features couldn't remove the concentration requirement on the limited free castings when there are fewer and fewer reasons to justify concentrating on a once per turn average of 3.5 damage; especially when they also revealed that war clerics don't have to concentrate on spiritual weapon when cast through channel divinity. Sure it would be busted in early levels but I don't see why a high level ranger would ever prioritize Hunters Mark as is. It feels underwhelming when they've made so many core features rely on it.
@TyranusRex7213 ай бұрын
I hope and pray that Draconic Sorcerer got origin spells and they work like Aberrant and Clockwork does. And please, PLEASE, let them have abelites that make them feel like a dragon and not a generic elemental caster! The capstone is still god awful from the playtest.
@keandred.windett71373 ай бұрын
It less that it’s god awful. Cause the dragon dnd are meant to be have this empowering presence, plus the playtest version is much better than before, since they have to make the saving throw while in the aura, it doesn’t use concentration, and the creature isn’t gonna be immune for 24 hours on a save. That to mean is Draconic. Also during the spell section he did mention that they would gain the dragon breath spell
@Merilirem3 ай бұрын
Unfortunately we just get a summon. Its ok but I wanted dragon transformation stuff or draconic powers. Not summoning a dragon. That's a fine spell but I wanted to be the dragon. Not summon something I can envy.
@TyranusRex7213 ай бұрын
@@Merilirem Agreed, but at least it is non concentration. If Sorcerer can get Shapechange or True Polymorph now, then you can transform into a dragon and have a dragon summon at the same time. Or maybe something like Illusary Dragon.
@dessamator14203 ай бұрын
Storm, Divine and shadow sorcery all would’ve in my opinion been better options than the clockwork and aberrant mind for the handbook. They could use some updated work on them 😞 hope we get supplement books fairly regularly, updating these other subclasses.
@iolair19733 ай бұрын
I've been loving Storm in Baldur's Gate 3
@codymarshall5873 ай бұрын
I think Aberrant Mind was a fine addition but generally I think the Divine Soul should have been here instead of clockwork
@iolair19733 ай бұрын
@@codymarshall587 I prefer the flavour of Divine to Clockwork, but that's just my personal taste. I suspect it won't be long before we get new versions of Divine Sorcerer, Necromancer Wizard, and so on.
@MainShane3 ай бұрын
Clockwork is a good thematic opposite to Wild. Order vs. chaos. Same as Dragon vs Aberrant mind is body vs mind.
@xr97903 ай бұрын
I mean they said they were gonna make everything compatible right? I’m sure there’s gonna be a book that converts every subclass to work with this edition at some point, either by having books that add new classes and some reworks or just one book that’s straight up every class carried over- like a “5e to 2024 conversion guide”
@Chrosteellium3 ай бұрын
I wish we got storm sorcery
@JohnWilliams-cr2sz3 ай бұрын
While I am not surprised, I am a bit bummed that the Divine Soul didn't get updated. Hopefully in a future book.
@KaiHouston-m6j2 ай бұрын
Well they did a Celestial Warlock, so maybe they worried about "toe stepping".
@martl86153 ай бұрын
The dragon's blood runs in their veins, which allows them to become... No?... to summon dragons?! Pheromones, I guess? Do they want to mate with you?
@stargrace4203 ай бұрын
Mating with dragons? No you're thinking bard.
@KaiHouston-m6j2 ай бұрын
Well, all those "blood of the dragon" kids running around.......
@Almighty_Mage2 ай бұрын
How do you think dragon sorcerers get made
@Mr_Maiq_The_Liar3 ай бұрын
Expanded spell list, hallelujah! I can almost forgive huntersmark
@marcelgiller25283 ай бұрын
I hope they revised the core rulebook Wild Magic Surge trigger mechanic, and maybe added a new surge table. It would be more fun to have this chaos happen a lot more in increasingly ridiculousways
@EliasWindrider3 ай бұрын
I was really hoping/expecting divine soul sorcerer would be in the new core book. Im hoping that there will eventually be a fey Soul sorcerer.
@M9Seradon3 ай бұрын
Just finished watching and I'm pretty excited about the Sorc changes. The main issues with the class and subclasses all seem to have been addressed in one way or another which is great to see. Just gotta wait for the spells, metamagic, and wild magic table reveals but if the metamagic options remain what they were in the UA the class will in a good place even with the twin nerf. Edit: So apparently this 8:20 was a lie.
@St-un9ij3 ай бұрын
Who wants to summon a dragon over being a dragon? Isn’t that the main point of being draconic bloodline is that you are part dragon why would you choose summon draconic spirt over draconic transformation the later is way more fun and cooler for roleplay
@theodorehunter47653 ай бұрын
I was kinda hoping for a feature similar to what Clerics and Druids got at first level where you can get weapon and armor proficiency.
@Tauntaun7073 ай бұрын
Same. With the narrow choices on spells and that fact that you're stuck with your choices, sorcerer just does best with combat spells but is just as squishy as the wizard.
@nubnub82023 ай бұрын
In our campaign we did something different with wild magic. instead of only surging on a 1 roll (fart noise) we made it work like this- take the level of the spell and if you roll under or match that spell you surge. cast a 4th level spell and rolled a 3? you surge. roll 4? still surge. AND at a higher level we made it so it works backwords from 20. 20=1 19=2 18=3 etc. it's amazing. Also cantrips surge on 1 and 20 rolls.
@supersmily58112 ай бұрын
You still need True Poly and Shapechange on the Sorcerer spell list for the narrative of Dragon Sorc to work. Calling it now, they aren't doing that and I'll be really annoyed! :\ Also, couple notes: You need to make Wild Magic Surge non-lethal. Being able to tpk on the first roll of a level 1 campaign that was supposed to be long-form is debilitating. As for Dragon: I don't want to "summon" a dragon. I'll take it if it's going, but you had one job. Resistance at level 6, wings at level 14 (NON LIMITED IT WAS FINE AS IS), and immunity at level 18 (Storm Sorc gets this, why not DRAGON) with True Poly and Shapechange either on the base spell list or as part of the capstone. Your dragon mage can't BE a dragon when a Wizard can, that's a MASSIVE oversight in the narrative.
@AndrewThoesen2 ай бұрын
Point: draconic bloodline is about being part draconic, summon dragon doesn’t fit with that Counterpoint: the dragon you summon is your great great great grandparent and torching monsters with grandpa is cool
@noctxpyre3 ай бұрын
Sad that Storm Sorcerer didn't got some love...
@nycto53352 ай бұрын
I think it would've been cooler if Draconic Sorcs got a feature that turned their Innate Magic into a draconic transformation that would slowly upgrade by leveling up with more Draconic spells. Getting a Dragon companion is a bit lame tbh considering most people play that sorc cuz they wanna be more Dragon-like. I dunno, maybe that's just me really having that Pointy Hat Draconic Warlock fresh in my mind. A lot of other classes get to turn into dragons better than sorcerer tbh. If I wanted a Dragon companion I would play the Ranger verison of it (ignoring the unfortunate sad state of Ranger lol).
@royhatcher77663 ай бұрын
Why is the draconic sorcerer so beautiful lmao
@sunsorcerer3 ай бұрын
Been waiting weeks for this, sorcerer is my favorite class.
@Npaulo3103 ай бұрын
Sooooo did we get rid of the Storm Sorcerer sub class? As someone who played one up to lvl 12. It really needed love.
@willjackson58853 ай бұрын
They said there’s going to be a lot of new books coming in future…
@RulesLawyerDnD2 ай бұрын
I really wish you could have three meta magic options starting out and not just two. Waiting for 4 Meta magic options at 10th level. Also it would have been great if they let you switch out one of your meta magic options after taking a long rest.
@vasewater2 ай бұрын
At my table we homebrew it so sorcerers can swap their metamagic options on a long rest and fighters can swap their maneuvers. Works well
@RulesLawyerDnD2 ай бұрын
@@vasewater amazing
@westoncraig73843 ай бұрын
Exciting!! I really like these updates! I especially like the updated spell lists for some of the subclasses. I think that will help with flavor a bunch!
@minivergur3 ай бұрын
The contrast with abberrant and draconic should be Elemental vs. Psionic
@nospaces45042 ай бұрын
Aberrant *is* the psionic subclass
@derekhudgin66603 ай бұрын
Summon Dragon?! Sorcerer's Rage?! This confirms Sorcerer as my favorite casting class
@theultrasceptile2 ай бұрын
13:53 I feel like this would need a prerequisite, you need to know the name of the dragon you summon
@RulesLawyerDnD3 ай бұрын
I was really hoping there would also be some sorcerer only spells that they would talk about.
@Tauntaun7073 ай бұрын
Yeah sorcerer has always felt like baby wizard when it comes to spells. Basically limited to damage spells because anything with utility feels like a waste if it's only useful some of the time.
@RulesLawyerDnD3 ай бұрын
@Tauntaun707 I've been thinking of a way to fix that and an open spell known would fix that easily and keep the sorcerer fun and not OP
@epetrus38132 ай бұрын
In the Unearthed Arcana, there were two sorcerer exclusive spells called Sorcerous Burst (cantrip) and Arcane Eruption (level 4). You can also change the damage type of the spell.
@RulesLawyerDnD2 ай бұрын
@@epetrus3813 given that they didn't talk about that because that would be a base class feature. I'm assuming it's not there
@TasosjvАй бұрын
@@RulesLawyerDnDthey added sourcerous burst
@propiranna3 ай бұрын
Hopefully the summon dragon spell scales to make it more worth to continue using, no conc on it is nice though. Still managed to make sorcerer a worse wizard. If the metamagic options available to use throughout the day for sorcerer is only 4, that will also will be a let down of being able to use two metamagic options at later levels if there are so few permutations to use
@igotnopatience17172 ай бұрын
The aparently increased to 6 metamagics total
@propiranna2 ай бұрын
That would feel better at least
@adrenalineunlimited3 ай бұрын
Wait +1 to your dc and advantage on spell attacks at 1st level sounds absolutely busted, what am I missing?
@theotherwoman73143 ай бұрын
Most creatures/traps are a significant challenge for any level 1 character, even if the players don't realize it. Sorcerer specifically get 1d6 for hp. So, them getting to do more is a little more fun for the player I suppose and still not enough to break anything. Later levels.. well yeah that will be intense, but that was always the case with high level spellcasters. And I imagine we'll understand a lot more once the 2024 monster manual gets covered..
@timxoutАй бұрын
it's a shame they nerfed the aberrant mind into the ground, despite their promises. It was such a cool and fun subclass. Their starting ability was more flavor than anything, but the flexibility to make a psionic caster made it more than worth it. But with their spell list now fixed, their level 6 ability is now useless too half of the time and their starting ability starts to look like a slap in the face. For now, you are probably better of just playing a draconic sorcerer with suble spell metamagic, if you want to go in that direction.
@jeffm9770Ай бұрын
As long as potted plant is still on the Wild Magic table, I'm in.
@thomasruffo28193 ай бұрын
'Aracane trio" bard in shambles rn
@Cornelixx3 ай бұрын
Bit of an odd choice to include Aberrant and Clockwork with no meaningful changes, rather than revamping Storm and Shadow Sorcery.
@GangurEXE2 ай бұрын
They wanted to have 4 subclasses for each class with minimal work so reprinting two strongest existing subclasses seems like an obvious choice.
@J.capybara3 ай бұрын
See now this is why WotC needs to stop adding features before it's put in UA, they practically need players to judge every decision they made. "At 9th level you get the Summon Dragon spell. After another 9 levels of it being on your spell list where you've most likely acquired the material component, which is not a consumed component unless we changed that, you can only at 18th level cast it without needing that component." So what? We should already have it by now, and if the DM never allowed them to obtain one they're probably the type of DM that doesn't let the campaign get to 18th level anyway, nevermind how rare it is to get there anyway. Are we supposed to sell it? We're an 18th level adventurer, we probably have more gold than all the known kingdoms combined by now, what difference is getting that 500 back gonna make? Maybe WotC has a specific vision on how these material components work that most of us aren't fully privy to, like maybe you need to spend an action pulling out the material component before you can cast the spell? I'm guessing not. Every time something is suddenly added without being part of a playtest, it's usually half baked or not thought through at all. WotC, stop adding stuff without putting it through the UA first. Seriously.
@hearforthemusic98143 ай бұрын
I think your focusing a little to much on what is not the main purpose of that feature lol. It just makes it so you can cast the spell for free without a spell slot and concentration, the no material component is just you can do that.
@J.capybara3 ай бұрын
@@hearforthemusic9814 yeah honestly fair enough, it's not like the entire feature is useless, I just don't understand the point of even using space of the book to add that in. At best you'll be temporarily without the component once in the entire campaign once you have it. Being without your stuff isn't something typical DMs throw together very often. I think for a moment there I was so hung up on the dumbness of that, that I half forgot that wasn't all he said it did.
@Itachi454813 ай бұрын
Man the 2 classes I wanted to know about and their improvements took forever to be previewed
@Comrade22613 ай бұрын
Can't wait for Bard!
@polvotierno3 ай бұрын
Each subclass fits into one of the alignments, good and bad. This is great!
@willjackson58853 ай бұрын
Which subclass is good?
@polvotierno2 ай бұрын
@@willjackson5885 I plan to use them as baddies in my games. The clockwork is Lawful evil. The wildmagic is chaotic evil.
@MrHarryw873 ай бұрын
More meta magic options would be cool
@SgtWicket3 ай бұрын
I always felt like the Scribe Wizard’s ability to change the damage type of spells felt more like something Metamagic should be able to do.
@iltharanos3 ай бұрын
The transmuted spell metamagic from Tasha’s does that.
@egg_l0rd133 ай бұрын
Metamagic can do that. Transmuted Spell from Tasha’s Cauldron of Everything.
@dreamseer_33 ай бұрын
In the same book that introduced scribes wizard theyalsp introduced the transmute spell metamagic which did let you change an elemental damage type to another, so basically just a slightly worse effect that cost more but that was par for the course at the time
@Merilirem3 ай бұрын
Indeed. The draconic should at the least have been given a way to just change any spell into the associated element.
@SgtWicket3 ай бұрын
@@dreamseer_3 Ohh I guess I didn’t remember that. That must be why it felt like such a no brainer lol
@SwiftNimblefoot3 ай бұрын
If you can control wild surges, then they aren't realy wild chaotic magic anymore
@SpaceCoon922 ай бұрын
I see it as mastery of your source of magic. It's pure character progression if you finally learn how to 'control the chaos'.
@fandomonium37893 ай бұрын
Saved the best for last. Can't wait.
@tzukishiro3 ай бұрын
Sorc is the best, but it's not last lol
@wolfenrichtophen60103 ай бұрын
Not the last option, you forgot Cleric.
@Unironicallybritish3 ай бұрын
And you forget the bard
@activekiwi12213 ай бұрын
I like the new sorcerer, but for the same reason why the abberant sorcerer was carried over (be a psionic-themed group with great old one-warlock, psiwarrior-fighter and soulknife-rogue) they should have implemented the celestial- instead of the clockwork-sorcerer together with the celestial-warlock
@keinlanz2 ай бұрын
I like this because I've long felt that the sorceror should feel like a barbarian analogue for the wizard and be unshackled from feeling like a simple wizard variant. I really like the idea of sorcerer base theme being kept vague and broad, so that most of the identity of the class comes from the subclass, the same way fighters are. It really needs to allow design space for "simple primitive caster" concepts that will never be full classes, like witches, shamans, and prophets - alongside what it already encompasses.
@MrObiquiet3 ай бұрын
So.... If you want to use one of the old subclasses, say, Divine Sorcerer, is there a way to do it? Or are we going to have to wait and purchase them again as 2024 versions?
@sevencats49642 ай бұрын
You're supposed to be able to use old subclasses with the updated classes, they said there's some text in the PHB that helps you adjust them
@SpaceCoon922 ай бұрын
@@sevencats4964 Yeah I wonder how they solve some problematic stuff though. I can't precisely recall which combo but I remember discussing a Bladesinger Wizard with one of the new cantrips (True strike perhaps) and in theory that looked absolutely broken af.
@neutwho3 ай бұрын
I love my wild magic sorcerer a lot 😊 she’s probably my favorite character I ever made. I’ve actually had more sorcerers at this point than any other class. Excited to see what changes come out of that foundation.
@demiurge27632 ай бұрын
While the art for the Draconic Sorcerer is absolutely beautiful, its a shame that they don't show him with scales. I *really* hope they didn' remove that bit of flavor from their 1st--I mean 3rd (ugh) level feature.
@nathanh26643 ай бұрын
Can’t have them on all the time is a nerf
@Enderl4ne3 ай бұрын
Dragon wings better not be a level 14 option that can only be used for 1 minute per day, tbh the time limit for dragon wings just shouldnt be a thing and should just be a 30-40 foot flight speed
@lushedleshenАй бұрын
“Three arcane spellcasters” Bards: “Am I a joke to you?”
@SycomMC3 ай бұрын
I am a bit worried about the dragon pet feature because it might be completely useless in combat but really fun to role play which is a rough. I get why you would include it as a developer, but I can also see it becoming a useless and annoying feature. I really hope the draconic sorcerer can also turn into a dragon in some way.
@HerrderGezeiten233 ай бұрын
They should have improved the Metamagic option numbers. 2 Options on level 2 and 1 more at level 10 and 1 at 17 is so limiting. 2 at level 2 + 1 at level 5 or level 7 (you can use 2 Metamagic Options) make way more sens. You can`t change your metamagic for the level 7 option to cast 2,... If the old Metamagic Feat (2 Options 2 Points) comes again this is 90% of a level 2 Sorcerer,...
@cmdrvimes723 ай бұрын
Im sold, you did a lot of what i wanted you to for sorcerer. I love dragon sorc lvl 18 especially.... but if we get concentration free summon dragon, why couldnt level 18 or 20 ranger have hunter's mark get the same? Oh well, long live Mage Rage and subclass spells. I'll get to work on updating my rework of phoenix sorcerer to 2024.
@roh4302 ай бұрын
Ahhh man, why are they so afraid to give us an actual dragon form.... I don't want to summon a dragon, I want to BE a dragon.
@sketchyfox73682 ай бұрын
I guess they’re afraid to make the new ranger feel too bad with their… 1d10 hunter’s mark die
@EmeraldUsakaze2 ай бұрын
But is the most important Wild Magic Surge effect still in the table? Dropping a Fireball on your face.
@tridentgreen33463 ай бұрын
Draconic getting a spell list is awesome and I can actually get the design philosophy of Wild Magic not having one in lieu of the big funny table. Hyped.
@CyclopsDragon3 ай бұрын
It feels like the numbers on Innate Sorcery are a bit off. I believe based on distributions, the average gain from Advantage is about +4, but then you're only increasing your spell save DC by 1? I guess since some spells with saving throws can target a large number of enemies, they didn't want to make it bigger than that, but it does make it pretty underwhelming with single target spells, compared to the Advantage on spell attack rolls.
@stargrace4203 ай бұрын
Spells with attacks pretty much exclusively deal damage, and there's not that many of them. Spells with saves include save-or-sucks like hypnotic pattern and hold person, and AoE damage spells where increases to the DC compound damage based on the number of targets. I do feel that +1 is a little paltry (even a +2 would feel way more significant) but combined with mind sliver and heightened metamagic, the ability to make sure enemies almost certainly fail a save is more accessible in the new rulebooks.
@ricklawrence25153 ай бұрын
Ranger: We can't have Hunter's Mark without concentration; That's too good Draconic Sorcerer: Summon Dragon with no concentration
@syvajarvi22893 ай бұрын
Fey wanderer has summon Fey for no concentration.
@simonfernandes68093 ай бұрын
Summon Dragon without concentration at 18TH LEVEL.
@ricklawrence25153 ай бұрын
@@tiradegrandmarshal Not even as a capstone
@zsoltm20877 күн бұрын
I wish for a talent that let me be a dragon even if its only on higher levels. I think that's the true identity of this subclass.
@ashalaev3 ай бұрын
My fav sorcerer is the last one. I hope they didn't ruin it and only improved, but knowing that there will be no Divine Soul or Shadow subclasses from the start, and subclass is picked on 3rd level, I'm so upset, because both are my favorite and most flavorsome imo.
@Johnny5isstillalive3 ай бұрын
You can still use them
@ashalaev3 ай бұрын
@@Johnny5isstillalive yeah I know, they just don't get extra spells and features, until they are reworked
@nuqueerwarhead35643 ай бұрын
Sorcerer rage mode feels like a great addition and makes the class more appealing to me. Aberrant and clockwork seem like odd choices though. Divine soul was always the most appealing to me, and storm seemed really popular.
@stargrace4203 ай бұрын
I think it's because they covered good/evil in warlock (celestial/fiend), they wanted to cover law/chaos in sorcerer (clockwork/wild magic). I do agree though, clockwork was a weird choice, and a weird subclass flavor to begin with.
@Frantzypantz3 ай бұрын
After listening to several of these, it sounds like every class is intentionally and qualitatively better than it was before... I trust this means the monsters will also be more powerful (DM here, so this is what I've been hoping for!)
@daboomaninc7393 ай бұрын
Except for the ranger who has to concentrate on their main class ability, losing their ability to cast buffing spells another major class feature
@joshuazemanek58093 ай бұрын
Finally...... all throughout the UA, i've been annoyed that all the 2014 dragon sorcerer features were taken away. Now he tells us we are getting both all the old and new features. Thank you, my chosen Sorcerer is complete
@Ghostrot123433 ай бұрын
It seems bizarre to me that they would choose to include the Tasha's subclasses since they already had subclass spells where as the Xanathar's ones don't. Also, they've mentioned in other videos wanting to improve abilities that activate when you drop to 0 and Shadow Sorcerer has one of those. Feels like 2 massively missed opportunities to fine tune some subclasses to be in-line with the current design philosophy for the sorcerer.
@BrandonDeMeyer3 ай бұрын
Wish divine soul survived the port, but really happy with the current changes
@nehtariАй бұрын
always been a sorcerer, loving the new updates 🧝🏽♀️⛈️🌪️
@ActualChef3 ай бұрын
I see all the game designer experts are here again to let us all know why they could have done it better.
@thomaswatson83013 ай бұрын
...that's the point of playtesting.
@HowtoRPG3 ай бұрын
This sounds like the new sorcerer will be easier to track and play? Will Wild Magic be a dozen different dice rolls per turn?
@Shogundoxie14143 ай бұрын
Hope they improved the Chaos Bolt spell
@the_noble_lavender33923 ай бұрын
Most likely removed, as chromatic orb can now bounce between enemies filling the niche of chaos bolt (kzbin.info/www/bejne/hmHViaJjjNWSf6sfeature=shared&t=1220)
@stargrace4203 ай бұрын
I think they rolled it into chromatic orb, which can bounce now according to one of the other preview videos
@theunofficialfpsbalancetea5915Ай бұрын
Question: So did they just not change the other sorcerer subclasses(storm, shadow, divine) for any particular reason or is this just not the full list of changes?
@wizrad20992 ай бұрын
A lot of this sounds cool, but why is so much of the really significant stuff locked at level 18 or 20? Most campaigns don't get that far, and even if they do, they enter a sort of "prepare for the end" mode where you know your sessions are limited, so you're not going to get to play around with those features nearly as much. I think I would have liked to have seen a bit more pushed to the front end of the class, not the back end, especially since Sorcs are one of the big 3 for multiclassing (Warlocks and Bards being the other two, honorable mentions for the Paladins).
@runeserpent14493 ай бұрын
Love this sorcerer, gana be fun running a shadow sorc with the new abilities
@BadBardy3 ай бұрын
What species is the sorcerer in the thumbnail art? Do high elves now have more fantastical skin colors?
@Drakul-13 ай бұрын
I think it's a tiefling, they can be purple now
@CryptofSkulk3 ай бұрын
@@Drakul-1 Couldn't they always be purple?
@matthewsinclair43223 ай бұрын
I think it’s a moon elf, which is an ethnicity of high elf in the Forgotten Realms. Their skin colour varies but does include pale purple and blues. Also, elves can have fantastical colours in 5e. While few official campaign settings use these options, the base elf description includes blue, purple and copperish skin colours for high elves and green for wood elves. Hair can also be blue, silver or for wood elves, green. And eyes could appear like pupiless pools of gold and silver.
@sakuratejina3 ай бұрын
I thought it was a drow? Cause I swear the last PHB or Xanathar’s had a purplish drow in the book cause I used the art as inspiration for my first Shadow Sorcerer
@matthewsinclair43223 ай бұрын
@@sakuratejina The last PHB has a picture of a moon elf on the page next to the page with the drow subrace, if that’s what you were thinking of. But to my knowledge , drow have always had white hair and skin in shades of grey, black or lilac-purple. But in Dragonlance, I think dark elves have the human range of skin tones. But I don’t know much about Dragonlance, admittedly.
@ArchAngel_M813 ай бұрын
What about the number of spells a Sorcerer can know? At level one (2014), a sorcerer can only know two level one spells. That's very constraining compared to other classes like the cleric, wizard, and druid. Also, I was really hoping they would have included the Divine Soul Sorcerer.
@ArturoGonzalez-st7xj3 ай бұрын
Rangers get to concentrate on a lvl 1 spell while sorcerers get concentration free 5th level spell- Perfectly balanced
@ArturoGonzalez-st7xj3 ай бұрын
@@kingofcoinjock Not actually how it works. The 2014 version's duration can be extended to 24 hours when cast with higher level spells but still needs concentration. If that was the case the ranger reveal video wouldn't have 5000 dislikes
@tacotyrant3 ай бұрын
@@kingofcoinjock doesn't say anything about not having to concentrate on it if you cast it at 5th level you can concentrate on it for 24 hours but that doesn't change much if you fail your concentration check the round after you cast it
@u.v.s.55832 ай бұрын
Oh yes, dragons, lots and lots of dragons on the battlefield!
@SpaghettiEnterprises2 ай бұрын
Unclear if twinned spell is still nerfed. I hope they put it back.
@jonathankylander77883 ай бұрын
THEY FIXED DRACONIC BLOODLINE WOOOOOOOO! Having to spend a sorcery point to gain resistance to your heritage was so silly. Cheers all around.