NEW Summing Mixer from Rupert Neve Designs! - Rupert Neve Designs 5057 Orbit

[@Producelikeapro]

How would you use this in your mixes?

[@andreirlmeier]

Maybe is Brad Wood User no. 1

[@bonafontciel]

Not an expert, but for me "inserts" are the only reason I would use any summing mixer. Anyways I'll watch the video at the end of my home office :D

[@pvampman]

I thought you weren't so hip on summing mixers?

[@milesrandall6821]

Great video Warren! I've been using the RND 5059 (the older brother of the 5057) for years. To get the most out of the RND summing I've found it extremely beneficial to print every track individually through the summing mixer with some silk before mixing the song as whole with the unit. I usually accomplish this by having it as part of my tracking chain or before the mixing process go back and print tracks I've recorded else where through it (like drums). This helps make decision making a lot easier when mixing as everything has a nice transformer glow right out the shoot. Even on all plugin mixes. Another good use for the RND and a more obvious one would be to use it to help sum multiple mic'ed sources down to mono to use with single channel outboard gear or to just get less clutter out of your mix. I do this all the time while tracking guitars as I usually have 2-3 mics on a cab and need a mono source to run through compression and various EQs.

[@Producelikeapro]

@@bonafontciel download the tracks and listen for yourself and hear what you think!

[@chainsparencynetwork1496]

RIP to Mr. Rupert Neve!!! He will definitely live on and be heard for generations to come!!! Well done, sir!

[@2kFresh]

🕯️

[@melissabell585]

"I think I'd be mixing through this, and making my EQ decisions through this" - quote of the video, and yes, 100%. Summing mixers are great, but where you really start to get your money's worth is when you're mixing and doing gain staging through them in order to leverage all of that headroom and space. I mix through the Rupert Neve 5059, which I love for the dual busses and ability to run through Rupert's line amps on each channel for additional boost to the bus, but the 5057 looks and sounds gorgeous and is probably the right unit for most people who don't want the hassle of calibration and recall. I mixed on a Dangerous 2 Bus LT for a bit, which is also a great unit, but the sound of the mix bus, tremendous headroom, and the silk options really make the RND stuff shine. BTW - those red lights indicate that you're 2db from "clipping", so you can actually push it even harder. :)

[@Producelikeapro]

Hi Melissa! Thanks ever so much for sharing your process!

[@MrRolan79]

Please tell me if the sound and space are different between 5059 and 5057, which is better to buy?5057 version is newer does this mean that it has improved sound characteristics?

[@melissabell585]

@@MrRolan79 The 5057 is newer, but the components in it are not. The 5059 has more capability for tone shaping, as it has two separate mix busses with independent transformers and Silk circuits. It also has rotary faders with +10db of gain available, pan controls, and balanced inserts on every channel. This is a subset of the 5059, and when the 5059 is configured to work like the 5057, I expect they sound nearly identical. While it may be a subset, it’s the most important subset, and the way I expect the vast majority of 5059 users have theirs configured, so you are not really losing anything. The most powerful extra feature on the 5059 is the second mix bus which can be fed back into the first mix bus with a patch, allowing you to mimic the behavior of using a group bus en route to the main mix on a large console, with the added benefit of silk on that subgroup.

[@RJ1J]

I feel like the options, two Silk options and trim, only limit a producer or mastering engineer to sounds that plugins are catching up with. Like Unisum, Gullfoss, PA Black Box, UAD 1084, Neve pre-amp and API summing - or Acustica Audio's Ivory and Gold 4 EQs or pre-amps at low settings. The difference between these and this Neve hardware, especially at more extreme settings on this reviewed unit, seem to match results I've found in the previously mentioned plugins.

[@melissabell585]

@@RJ1J I would say that if you don’t hear the difference, or care about it, then congratulations- you have saved money and can be happy about that! To me, the difference is subtle, but every AB I’ve done always has the analog stuff jumping off the front of the speakers a bit more and giving me a better sense of width and back-to-front depth and separation than any of the digital models I’ve used to replicate it. It’s very close, but the ITB stuff feels like it recedes into the speakers and is a teensy bit flatter by comparison. All that means I get inspired more, because the analog stuff is what I grew up on, i like what it does to my workflow, it’s what my brain wants to hear, and that makes it worth the money for me. I don’t view it as limiting at all, ESPECIALLY not on the Rupert Neve units where you can control how colored they are or not. It’s another option to stack with other things. If it’s not for you, and you have a different way to like to get to your happy place, that’s awesome too!

[@RiotHomeRecording]

I built an almost identical summing mixer out of 8 Vintage api 325 cards accept mine has the addition of fully transformered balanced Mixbuss insert. It’s a great piece that sounds really good. And so is this new orbit!! It sounds great.

[@Producelikeapro]

Hi Steve! Thanks ever so much for sharing!

[@threestreamsworship]

Thanks Warren. I love how you teach. So much about your delivery is disarming. You are teaching us how to think and not making the conclusion for us. Love the real-time prints.

[@Producelikeapro]

Thanks ever so much Mike! I'm glad to be able to help!

[@MrConnorPatrick]

I just downloaded the prints and imported them to my DAW (thanks Warren for making these available). I have to say I'm blown away at the difference. The Orbit files are much more exciting and and want to "jump out" my monitors. I'm avoiding cliched adjectives here but they would all apply. I wasn't expecting to hear such a marked change, even without the silk settings. Unfortunately I now need one! Thanks for sharing.

[@brianmclendon1647]

I mix thru the Burl Vancouver and I absolutely love it!!!! I really love the way you can control how much silk you want on the Neve

[@terrydoyle]

Great video. Having had the 5060 for 3 years now I can testify to the way it just works so well. And what you didn't observe as you were just putting an already finished mix through it was that if you mix into it, you end up needing far fewer plugins. This happened to me straight away when I started using my 5060. Fewer plugins means fewer phase shifts and faster results .. so extra benefits as well.

[@barneyrubble8255]

Can you hear any sound difference between the 5060 and the Orbit? Or does the summing sound the same to you?

[@shevyjohn9308]

Any differences ? With the orbit ?

[@UKMyron]

thanks for the video. ive ordered one of these. I downloaded the stems, and to be completely honest, once level matched (by ear) the difference really sounds very subtle to me when listened to in a blind test

[@ScottBrio]

I think of all the summing mixer shootouts I've listened to tonight, the Orbit sounds the best. I'm a huge SSL and Burl fan but you just can't deny the mojo Neve boards add to the signal.

[@Producelikeapro]

That’s amazing to hear! Thanks ever so much for sharing

[@savanaviolenta]

I'm definitely getting this for my studio. This is the cheapest Neve rack summing mixer that adds that studio console sound to your mixes.

[@Producelikeapro]

Thanks ever so much for sharing

[@johnisrael5183]

Always a blast checking you out Sir Warren, I really Respect you, because you have such a humble attitude bro.....

[@Producelikeapro]

Thanks ever so much John

[@franciscopacobarreras9270]

I saw this unit just a few minutes ago for the first time in an ad, thank you for this video, I think I’m getting this to start going hybrid. Thank yiu

[@nathanbankheadmusic]

Thank you for this incredible video. I’m buying this unit! I just bought the Neve 88M and I already own the Rupert Neve dual transformer box. This along with those other pieces of gear as well as my warm audio WA273 , I should have a great pro sound along with my Black Lion Audio modified Apollo Twin. I’m gonna win 6 Grammy Awards 😊

[@shane2973]

I am a fan of the 'New" Neve! They seem very "In touch" with being able to get the best of a retro sound with a modern workflow/twist AND at the same time allowing these same pieces to sound modern making then quite versatile! Rupert is a GENIUS! I'm sure he has help. but the guy is amazing!

[@jessezfromboston]

He’s been dead for years bro 😂lmaooo

[@moderngrooveassembly6109]

He’s only been gone 3 yrs and the post is from 3 yrs ago

[@Gang-25j]

@@jessezfrombostonshut your ase down real quick lol

[@niozikpro5812]

Thanks Warren. One of the things I love about gear testing is that we also get to know more about how music is made. It is a journey which shows what can be done with what you have even though primary purpose is not that at all. I am learning alot through high end gear tests and user manuals in a way I never did before . . . It says much more about what it takes to have "that radio sound" . . . You see efforts of deep studies being showcased by manufacturer as an attempt to lead you . . . Whether you can spot the same or not it depends on how much you are focused on the creative process or the gear alone . . . It is up to you . . . Thanks from Mozambique

[@KeremAvclAudioProduction]

Jump between (obviously YT audio wont be as good as downloaded tracks).. 10:59 - Flat Bounce 16:45 - Flat Chrous 15:54 - Blue %50 16:46 - Chorus 20:46 - Blue %100 21:37 - Chorus 25:29 - Red %50 26:20 - Chorus 30:06 - Red %100 30:57 - Chorus

[@onethousandtwonortheast8848]

Thank you for your help. It’s difficult to tell on KZbin. I’ll download the files and listen again. It’s a little saddening because if you don’t hear a clear difference over a popular medium, that’s kind of the target. It makes you wonder where to turn to for that next step in achieving a better translatable mix. Otherwise, you can sound great on a matched pair of speakers driven by mono block amps in a tuned acoustic environment but who else will hear that?

[@__Leon__]

@@onethousandtwonortheast8848 well I can for sure tell a diffrence, even on youtube.

[@nolanneal]

I see you overdubbed the word Saturation. ;). I love your channel and how much you teach us! It clearly shows that you LOVE music!

[@MarcoAndKati]

Great video and excellent product! I've been always on the edge to get an analog summing mixer, as I love what NLS waves does to my mixes. This video tempts me a little bit more. Great content as usual Warren !

[@DigitalGrease]

First off, thank you for introducing this product to us! I was fascinated by your demo, downloaded the files and was intrigued enough to order it. After experimenting with it for a while, I have come to the conclusion that, for what I do, pushing into heavy saturation is just way too much. Using the -6db outputs and triggering the clipping lights just occasionally, I find that it just buries too much fine detail in heavy saturation. My preferred mode is to use the main outputs (not the -6db) and use moderate signal levels. I find that if I print a really clean track through the Orbit with various levels of, for example, blue silk applied and then re-print that colored track through the Orbit again but with silk turned OFF, I get a really delicious signal. I can see myself printing individual tracks with various silk settings, then printing stems with silk turned off. Also, let the machine warm up for at least two hours for best results! I may just leave mine on all the time. Thanks again for pointing us at this unit!

[@elijahmant2855]

Such Lovely Separation going on without a doubt. Sounds good, Man.

[@SpectreSoundStudios]

Awesome stuff! I want one!

[@Producelikeapro]

You’d love it Glenn!!

[@iszoloscope]

My brain read this comment in Glenn's voice.

[@erictorres5935]

you won’t regret it mine came In 2 days ago and it’s night and day difference.

[@paulnaraboth4774]

I recently got a little 8x Unit Audio summing mixer. It is a very simple passive analog summing solution, with a 220 ohm output in order to connect to dual mic preamp to choose your color. I tested it into 2x Phoenix Audio preamp and into my Audient ASP 880, with very interting color and different result. I would test this Neve one, one day maybe, 16x channel + harmonic generation make it interesting. Thanks for your videos, I always learn a lot!

[@SpacehotelMusic]

I've got a RND Portico II Channel which I use to record a lot of stuff going in (with blue or red silk) and can't fault it. He's still making great gear.

[@MatthewRichards81]

Dude, that is HOT! I love it! I'm listening on my Sony MDR-7506 cans and it's phenomenal.

[@Producelikeapro]

Thanks ever so much Matt!

[@toomuchfandango]

The girth and throw is similar to my RND 535 compressor. It turns my kik drum into a cannonball, lots of heft. Love how this summing box is entry level, they really have their finger on the pulse.... great vid thanks Warren!

[@danielpuente2162]

Yes! Love how powerful such a small unit can be!

[@Producelikeapro]

Hi Daniel! Thanks ever so much for sharing!

[@patrickblyau]

Excellent didactic video Warren, I'm using a summing Neve 8816 and I like your findings and analytic reaction on this 5057. As known a N 8816 does have a similar magic function ("W").. I love its impact on the natural sound colour and its spatial wide-openingsfactor. A bit more knobs to handle, like you said, there is more temptation. I felt the Silk blue/red of the demo very "dangerously" attractive. Impressive for me since I'm not 'allowed' to use effects like pushed saturation while recoding classical music ensembles... Great content Warren, learning a lot! Thanks.

[@drampadreg1386]

The first three lines of "One Nation Under a Groove" describe everything Rupert Neve ever designed. It was a sad day in January when the man who we all benefited from by turning the recording industry in it's head died at the young age of 94 1/2, and designed up until the day he got pneumonia dying shortly after. He designed the 1073 preamp 51 years ago and it's arguable still the best. Like his gear sounds, he seemed bigger than life. Just run your music through anything he designed and it instantly sounds like cotton was pulled out of your ears. Thanks for this review, not sure how, but I will get one eventually, and the AMS Neve set of 8 1073 preamps on a double rack mount with it to bring up my count to 20 preamps.

[@bdmax17]

I've currently been using a 5059 Satellite at the studio I work at, and it sounds amazing, but having the 5057 Orbit is a really really cool idea for having a slightly stripped back, and more importantly cheaper, summing unit :D. Great video as always!

[@barneyrubble8255]

What features does the 5059 satellite have that make you most glad you have it instead of the orbit?

[@wesl2044]

Wow this sounds just as big as when I had my WBS console. This is a must have!

[@wesl2044]

Thanks Warren!

[@Producelikeapro]

Yes, I'm guessing a lot of people are going to hear this as a viable alternative to spending a lot on a console! I'm thinking they are going a lot of these!

[@thetempleofsound]

Thank you for that detailed review/sampling. Just when I thought I didn't need any new gear lol. I got the RND 5211 a year and a half ago and it was the best investment I have made to my studio. It sounds amazing, is so simple, so clean sounding without being sterile and is capable of adding so many different textures as I record depending on how hard I hit it and how much silk is dialed in. I need so much less eq and plug ins to make my mixes shine since I've been using the 5211. Now to have this 5057 on the other end, oh I'm getting too excited...

[@whisperthiefmusic]

The tambourine and the BV's (with their reverb) on this track are what I hear in my head when I'm writing songs... yummy!!

[@Producelikeapro]

Wow! Thanks ever so much!

[@bobbykanemusictube]

I wish I could afford it. This is beautiful. I love how full it makes the sound. I dig it. I want one.

[@joshuasandoval5261]

I'm honestly a bit confused on the new products. The 5059, the MBC and the 5057 orbit. Would love to see a video on How would these products compare to each other, how to use them individually or together, and finally which one is the "one for you" or recommended as the one gear that would make the most diffrence?

[@troycopeland5156]

Hi Warren your videos are very convincing I just bought Apollo X6 heritage edition and will be buying the Orbit soon keep up the good work I'm so glad you made this video with great explaining thanks

[@gunluv96]

Greetings, I'm looking at adding a summing mixer to my chain, but I remembered you suggested just running your mix through a pair of preamps instead. What's your thoughts 🤔? Would it be better to go with my preamps or rather the summing mixer is the winner.

[@Producelikeapro]

This Rupert Neve one is pretty special!

[@gunluv96]

@@Producelikeapro how would you compare this neve to the Burl Vancouver B32? Would it stand up against the Burl flavor?

[@JerMarMusicGroup]

This sounds great! I would make my sum mixes through the blue. Mix through the red because of the high end on the vocals and the tail end of the reverb. Love the sound of the snare on the red. Great job!!! 👊🏾💯

[@neoaureus]

FORGET THE NEVE ! What a sublime composition and singing ! beautiful lyrics everything...who is this ????

[@madeithappen8158]

I think I am sold now, this thing sounds amazing and love the form factor in a rack.

[@marcelosuarez3027]

Sounds amazing, I love that the peak level is actually a bit reduced, but sounds more dense, mixing through it from the beginning to work with that color would be even better, to control the low mids.

[@Producelikeapro]

Yes, mixing through it would be the best way to use it, I chose this song as it had been mixed through my CADAC console which had been used purely for summing.

[@Bring_MeSunshine]

Hmm. Felt in that silk. I add it to my dream wish list. Thanks for sharing

[@Producelikeapro]

You’re welcome 😊 Thanks ever so much for sharing!

[@leftofcenter4]

Wow, nice in-depth clip, I have a ssl xdesk for summing along with the ssl xrack g buss com stereo eq and com modules but it appears this unit has more tonal versatility. My hardware does basically the same thing on a SSL level but is able to add other hardware sonic options into the summed mix buss and or Inserted on the xdesk. I could put a RND 5025 or 5052 on the mix bus of the xdesk to get the silk sounds

[@tyremanguitars]

it really sounds great, I love my RND 511 preamps, best money I've ever spent on audio gear.

[@patkelly3966]

I really like it. The Red settings definitely has a more modern sound to my ears.

[@Producelikeapro]

Fantastic!!

[@ilikemyrealname]

An electronic engineering buddy of mine made me a super clean attenuator. I use that into my Neve 1073 preamps to get a wonderful analog sound.

[@GrimmusiKRecords]

Geeez, this thing sounds smooth- was originally looking at the Dangerous 2bus+.... but now, one must consider the 🧈 lowend of this unit.

[@RC32Smiths01]

Always cool to tune in! Great work man!

[@Producelikeapro]

Thanks ever so much!

[@RC32Smiths01]

@@Producelikeapro My pleasure!

[@danoontjeh123]

Thanks for actually sharing the files, I find that you are one of the few channels who actually do that, and it really gives me a better time comparing, instead of having to skip through a video in lower quality than the actual audio is. I like what it's doing, don't think I'd buy it for just that, but I could see that people who have a little more budget for gear would grab that to give their mix a nice analog touch.

[@abemillettmusic]

Great song. Listening while doing dishes- and I’ll be dammed if I couldn’t hear a difference in each print on my iPhone! That little unit is kinda badass. I want one. Was looking at the 5056 centerpiece- but now I’m considering this one. Keep it simple! Great review!

[@dougweier1]

Thanks for the detailed rundown! What's your da/ad on these tests?

[@MisterSparkles]

Just curious if there is any difference between 16ch summed through the Orbit vs pushing the digital sum through any RND gear with silk.

[@xjanssens]

Yes, quite a difference! I think it’s because the processes are non-linear. Summing a number of non-linear channels vs. linear summing in DAW and then applying the non-linear processing at the end. Not quite the same!

[@marc_leblanc]

The silk button and texture knob definitely add more colored saturation. I heard the mix as more full or dense if that makes sense.

[@Producelikeapro]

yes, that makes sense and is well observed! Thanks ever so much!

[@charlesneal4208]

Incredible what one piece of gear can do for an ITB mix! So much character for the price!

[@Producelikeapro]

Couldn't agree more! Thanks ever so much for sharing!

[@rectape]

Hi Warren thanks for the video and multitracks for hearing the unit which is a great idea. There's however a problem with the multitrack if somebody want to compare with his own summing mixer : The tracks are raw (vocal with no effects etc...). When I feed my summing mixer with them trying to compare the result with your Neve printed tracks it's impossible because of raw vs mixed tracks.

[@Skykingsound]

I wish we had a Neve/Produce Like a Pro partnership for member discounts. ;)

[@Producelikeapro]

That's a marvellous idea!

[@efnerva664]

Yes, please

[@ELPLAK]

I have a SPL Summing mixer. All goes to a WesAudio Dione Buss Compressor and I couldn’t be happier!

[@Producelikeapro]

Thanks ever so much for sharing!

[@arnesl929]

What are your thoughts on the Wes audio by it self on the master? Have you used it on singles tracks?

[@ELPLAK]

I always use it on the main out of the SPL. Basically as a "Master bus Compressor" I did not use it on singles tracks. In the master it works very well to "glue" the mix. I am not saying that because is a common comment you get on the subject, I said that because 70% of my clients expressed that in one way or another. They say that the mix sound like one compact thing, a few mentioned "glue", but overall they expressed in their own words how they felt the mix. It won't fix anything but make things easier to some extent. I have noticed an improvement on my mixes since I got it.

[@arnesl929]

@@ELPLAK thanks for the answer. Seems good.

[@jamescranefinecarpentry7146]

I don’t think I’m going to purchase this, but my Soundcraft Signature has the option for analog summing. I am going to experiment with that and see if I like it. Maybe even just as a “warmth” track to add back into my box mix. Thanks for the tips.

[@Producelikeapro]

Thanks for sharing! Best of luck to you!

[@iamantoniofernandez]

I downloaded the stems and tried to make the "in.the.box.print" larger with plugins and STILL didn't achieve the depth and clarity of the processed stems. The flat stem through the 5057 is my favorite all around. Thank you for the stems. This also taught be first hand, perceived loudness. The closest plugin that got me perceived loudness and depth was the Solid State Logic Saturator plugin. Still didn't get there fully though. Fascinating stuff.

[@Producelikeapro]

Thanks ever so much Antonio for your great comment!

[@shevyjohn9308]

Yep thats why i bought one never looked back less pluigns needed

[@1rcproductions]

I wonder how its results compare to those of the Silver Bullet.

[@ShiningTrapezoid]

Would you combine this with a bus compressor? Kinda wish there was an insert so I could run my Manley before the saturation instead of after it.

[@TimKaseyMythHealer]

Just for shnits and sniggles: I would love to see you compare this summing mixer to the Waves NLS (Non Linear Summer).

[@Producelikeapro]

Yes, interesting idea indeed!

[@CLdwyer]

Actually. I’d like to see this compared with Luna’s Neve summing engine.

[@melissabell585]

@@CLdwyer I primarily mix through a Rupert Neve 5059 (this unit's big sister) but I am also a big UAD user, and have been doing a lot of tracking in Luna since its release. The Neve summing extension is, like most UAD models, great. It sounds fantastic. It's based on a different era of Neve though, and it also doesn't create quite the sense of "space" I get with an analog mix bus. I'm anxiously awaiting further development on output delay compensation in Luna, because feeding my analog mix bus with stems sub-mixed through the Luna summing extensions is kinda my dream right now, and would be a VERY formidable setup.

[@joeydego2]

I use NLS a lot. I keep looking into these summing mixers. It’s clearly doing something good, but I’m not hearing 2k bucks worth of good here. Hope it’s not just me.

[@Jaredkfjones]

@@joeydego2 I love NLS, and just started using the SSL G from Plugin Alliance on each channel, using separate instances to get the most out of the TMT. I love watching these videos, currently only in an effort to get as close to the "sound" as possible without having to break the bank you know?

[@DaftFader]

Does this have a transformer for each input, or just one for the summing stage?

[@bigdap100]

Fantastic review, Warren.👍

[@Producelikeapro]

Thanks ever so much

[@PalkoChris]

Not the easiest piece of gear to get your hands on at the moment. Definitely looking forward to checking this unit out.

[@RETCHED-METAL]

That's pretty cool Warren.

[@Producelikeapro]

Thanks ever so much

[@1960chucks]

i would love to combine 50% blue and 100% red for this song. BTW - after playing it so many times, this song has such a great Hook! I need more!

[@Producelikeapro]

Thanks ever so much Chuck!!

[@patkelly3966]

@@Producelikeapro 100% Blue/50% Red for me.

[@prodbyogchiboi]

Hello Warren, I would really like to know how you were able to drive that thing to hit red without getting digital distortion. What audio interface was able to output such a level without distortion?

[@prodbyogchiboi]

bump :(

[@FabvL]

I’m wondering the same thing, only way for me to get around it is by using the trim knob to dial back the level after

[@prodbyogchiboi]

@@FabvL After extensive research, this wouldn't work because the trim knob is pre transformer, not post. So you wouldn't be getting the saturation we desire. Would have to have an interface that pushes out something close to +26 dBu on the outputs. Only ones that come close are UAD Apollos, Apogees, and RME.

[@room44radio]

Amazing mix. Amazing box. Thank you for video. Just 1 question: what DA and AD was involved?

[@Producelikeapro]

I was using my Lavry Blue convertors

[@gerryjamesedwards1227]

The Red Silk at 100% sounded great to my ears. I expected it to sound overblown, but it doesn't.

[@Producelikeapro]

Agreed Gerry! Thanks ever so much!

[@urigelman2182]

Red at 100% is thinning the mix a little too much for my taste but it still sounds really good.

[@TheOligoclonalBand]

Aside from the product I like the song a lot. I am pretty sure I heard something very similar to the drums and tambourin in th beginning on some of the songs from the 60s my dad sometimes listens to. But over all this song has a touch of 90s feeling to it, at least for me.

[@Producelikeapro]

Thanks ever so much!!

[@MrNicknayme]

The way this box makes sense: Do the rough mix or listen to a pre of the mix, to decide if the songs spirit/soul is of the “pop hyped upper mids” nature, or a more cozy weighty nature like old school Hip-Hop, and set the silk type to red for the first and blue for the second. Or no silk, if any of them just don’t work.. THEN start mixing. I prefer the RND Portico 542 tape saturation on the mixbus to this summing box.

[@runefagereng6023]

I have a okay audio interface, an Apogee Ensamble Thunderbolt. If I were to step up my game in the direction of hardware, (love the idea of turning knobs and instruments glued together with analog magic), if my budget is somewhat limited, should I buy a Rupert Neve summing mixer (5057) or a bus compressor (5254) first? I guess you would recommend me buying a The Newton channel first, but I think the Apogee does this job pretty well!? And that what I need, with my budget, is something to glue it all together, like a summing mixer or a bus compressor. But what is most important in this regards? Summing or bus if I must pick one? All though I would like to build a Rupert Neve based studio in the long term, can I ask for tips for a great and not to expensive bus compressor, if there is any?! ;) The 5254 is twice as expensive as Newton and Orbit. But I am sure it’s great. Maybe I could manage to buy the summing mixer and a bus compressor. Any other things to consider? I use Ableton and Logic DAW. Thanks for your great video on KZbin.

[@alessandroverona1888]

Great video as usual, I would have done the same kind of testing you have done (especially the polarity trick) and downloading my self the tracks I'm gonna have fun analizing the kind of harmonics that every mode adds or smooths. For sure 2k It's more affordable for most small producers then a console and this format meets much more the needs of modern production. The only thing I'd like to know more about it's the topology of the circuit and I'd also like to see if its actually the design of the transformer itself making the whole difference or, like for the 1176, la2a, api's 312 and other tools, the amplification stage and the way it drives into the transformer that makes the big difference. Thanks as usual.

[@jeroddunn]

My word. That is exciting.

[@BrianLofton]

Thank you for this brother! I’m ready💪🏽✊🏽

[@joshuakincheloe]

Is there a finished version of that song I’d like to buy it I love it!

[@notontheradio]

Very impressive and informative. Thank you so much!

[@Hassan_Omer]

This is such a beautiful song ❤

[@lucygabe6041]

Wow. This is life changing.

[@Producelikeapro]

Thanks ever so much Lucy!

[@ericplante9079]

Hi Warren, thank you for this! It sounds great, would definitely mix straight into it. Blue at 50 does it for me for this material..I am in the market for this, was considering Tegeler’s tube summing going into a crème. Now I’m not so sure! 😂

[@Producelikeapro]

Yes, it's a wonderful unit! The Creme is an amazing Compresor EQ, perfect world use both!!

[@volume5257]

I am summing 16 tracks in the Neve 5059 and using the red silk on channel 1-8 (all my vocal stuff) and blue silk on channel 9-16 (all my instrumental stuff) and summing these 2 outs (vocals and instrumentals) into the Tegeler tube summing device and from there into the Creme. Love this setup!

[@noerivera]

Hi Warren great review! I just bought this unit a day ago but I don’t really notice a difference with the blue and red button

[@KyleBevis-u7j]

I’m still so confused by these units. I’d love to see a routing diagram. Do you only route audio to it when you’re done with the mix? Or are you going through it the whole time? Do I keep 16 outputs spare just to send them to this, then 2 back to my DAW? Or do I patch everything occasionally over to this? There’s a lot of assumed knowledge when these old boys are talking about gear 😅 I’m trying to follow 😂

[@mpcbeats]

What are you using for a A/D converter?

[@nodaysback1]

Thanks Warren. Your track sounds great. How did you get the high freq's in the vocal to dance like that? Sounds like you might have side chained the output of a de-esser into a ping pong delay? Whatever you did, it sounds good..

[@LennardVaatstra]

You should put the master faders in the DAW at 0db and just dial the trim knob on the summing mixer back to get the richt level. This way you will use all the available digital resolution in DA conversion.

[@sagarchawla8145]

That Saturation overdub was neat 👌🏼

[@Producelikeapro]

Thanks ever so much for sharing!

[@CLdwyer]

Turning on that silk blue started to sound like an Adele track!!! (Minus the vocal - not the same type of singer). This may be my first outboard piece.

[@Producelikeapro]

Fantastic! Thanks ever so much!

[@guth-rosenstock-arts]

Dear Mr. Huart, I think you use a vintage SLL mixer in all your productions. This is a Neve product. To your ears which of the settings the red silk or Blue silk most reminds you of your beloved SLL. SLL makes Solid State Logic BiG SiX Professional Desktop Summing Mixer. Could you do a video comparing the Neve vs SLL and the big six verses your awesome SLL mixer to see how close SSL came? Thank you for this wonderful content. By the way if a band would like you to produce them what is the proper way to get in touch with you?

[@mjsthx1138]

nice overdub on 'saturation'!

[@rumar4u]

I don’t want to sound naive but would there be any difference if this came into a Stereo out and Stereo In, so the pre-summing takes place in the Box instead ?

[@tom_k_d]

That would be a very interesting and easy to realize test, yes!

[@Producelikeapro]

Marvellous question! My personal experience that just going into a stereo pair of line amps may give you something close to this sound, but it collapses and sounds smaller.

[@tom_k_d]

@@Producelikeapro It would be a very interesting experiment going straight with the digitally mixed stereo signal in this particular unit vs going in it with the stems one by one - maybe even worth a video?

[@goat-of-neptune]

@Produce Like A Pro that was also whats comming up to my mind. I tried a summing mixer from tegeler audio and couldnt hear enough difference to justify the price. speaking of rounding transients and givving everything more weight, I use a ssl fusion on every instrument bus and then also master it through the fusion. so Im sceptical that this is sounding too different. it might be a good test to download the tracks, process the inbox version through the fusion and compare that result with the neve summing mixer.

[@eoinhayes5025]

Sounds fantastic.. I would love to have both Blue and Red at the same time with out having to buying two units.. I wonder would a couple of 542 tape sims do the same job as they have the silk too or is the benefit of this that all busses get ran through rather than just the mixbus? Great video..

[@kinleydorji]

Total novice here. This was a great education.

[@Producelikeapro]

Thanks ever so much for sharing! I'm glad to be able to help!

[@kristoff91]

Would you say this produces the same concept as the portico II Master Buss processor with the Silk textures without the compression? Also, the Focals look nice in the background! hope they are treating you well.

[@filipvlcek2747]

Hi Warren! Great stuff, all of your videos, especially this one because I was gathering all the info about 5057 for the last half a year considering I would like to buy one and you really showed here how to use it in real life, love that, thanks a lot! But I have a question: now that I'm learning the Orbit and doing a first mix through it, I just can't get to the point where it's clipping even though outputs on my converters are -0.1 peaking on drums (which is the loudest instrument in this particular mix), there is still no red light blinking. I got there by boosting the stem by 10db or something but that just raises the question - are my outputs on the converter clipping as well before they hit the Orbit? I'm a little confused and it would really help me if you could please share how did you get the Orbit to clip. I'm using Apogee Ensemble. I've seen that you went +9 or so in your PT project on those stem buses. Does that mean that your converters were clipping as well before they hit the Orbit? Thanks a lot, really appreciate your work 🙏

[@Producelikeapro]

Hi Filip, sounds like it could be a calibration issue on the Interface. I wasn't;t getting any digital clipping. Just to be clear and you hearing digital clipping or just seeing peak indicators? Some peak indicators are set to show when you are close to clipping before actual clipping.

[@filipvlcek2747]

@@Producelikeapro thanks a lot for your answer, really appreciate it 🙏 there are two options to calibrate these outputs -10dBv and +4dBu. I have it set to +4dBu. When I set it to -10dBv the digital peak meters didn’t change but the output signal was much lower. When I tried that extreme stem output boost in my DAW (around +10db after it was normalized to max -0.1dBFS peak) I did hear clipping / distortion but I’m not sure how to determine if that was the output converter clipping or the Orbit. Either way it looks to me that something is wrong and it should be “easier” to overload the Orbit. One more thing I noticed is that Orbit’s manual said that input impedance is 16kOhm and I can’t find any info about what the output impedance of Apogee Ensemble is or the DTP cable I’m using (Hosa DTP to jack connected to my patchbay). It’s probably some stupid little detail I’m not seeing. But it looks to me though everything is set as it should. Any ideas? Or any recommendation where I could find more about this topic? Thank you very much, I really appreciate your time!

[@gtsibos]

This is a great (as always) piece of equipment from a legendary brand name ! Although I have to say that among others it sounds "fatter" but it pusses everything upfront and I lose the sense of bigger space between the instruments and the voice I was hearing in the in box mix. This is not good or bad for me, but it needs attention . Thank you for sharing your amazing skills to all of us ! George

[@CrushingAxes]

Man, everything sounds so great!

[@atomicrocker]

Can you describe the difference?

[@Producelikeapro]

Thanks ever so much CrushingAxes!

[@Producelikeapro]

Download the tracks to hear for yourself!

[@CrushingAxes]

@@atomicrocker I think everything sounds warmer and fuller perhaps even a little bit wider.

[@mattg1094]

I also have the iD44... so how are you routing 16 D/A out.. to then sum through the 5057... and then back in?

[@CardoLoot]

AD/DA Converter

[@CalvinBacon]

Sorry to come off as a bit of a noob but I'm quite new to the whole audio hardware scene and am not sure I understand what exactly this piece of hardware is/does. I can hear the differences between the different modes vs the "in the box" etc. but to me, it seems like you could achieve the same effect with a master bus compressor+limiter? Could someone maybe explain what the main goal of the 5057 is? Cheers

[@briancase6180]

This is really interesting and informative. I, for one, have no experience with consoles, so this is really useful as a way to broaden my horizons. Another thing I think I take away from this is that saturation and clipping are even more important than I already knew. And the song and the mix are great! Thanks!

[@steveg219]

Very impressive product and results for $2000 !!

[@Producelikeapro]

Thanks ever so much Steve! I was impressed as well!

[@steveg219]

@@Producelikeapro perhaps you could address/explain a good workflow with this summer integrated into a DAW? I love the sound but am a bit concerned about over complicating the workflow. What do you think? Thank you