New Tales from the Borderlands - Official Launch Trailer

[@calvo9974]

Gearbox's biggest mistake was to have discontinued a story that was already ready for continuation. And of course the absence of Teeltale itself greatly affects the quality of the game

[@Butsama]

This was just a opener for whatever is coming next. At the end Fiona shows up

[@calvo9974]

@@Butsama I saw it, I was happy to see Fiona/Laura Bailey coming back, it gives me hope that Gearbox won't abandon the character. Do you think she will be in the next game?

[@liliththefirehawk796]

YES EXACTLY. And it cracks me up that gearbox/2k suddenly think they’re story-telling pioneers capable of continuing a Telltale masterpiece.

[@liliththefirehawk796]

@@calvo9974 It was implied in tales that she was headed on a journey to becoming a vault hunter. She shouldve been a playable vault hunter in borderlands 3 in my opinion, would’ve helped with continuity.

[@calvo9974]

@@liliththefirehawk796 Ryhs was destroyed by Gearbox, has nothing to do with Telltale Ryhs

[@NefariousSpecter]

So far I'm hoping the villain wins so we don't see these characters again.

[@internetenjoyerr]

Isn't Rhys also like a good guy too lmao

[@testsmagazinejoystick1980]

🤣😂 Yeah !!

[@liliththefirehawk796]

TELL EM LMAO

[@Flog1077]

I second that

[@just_in_case19]

I fkg hope so

[@N3rvousWrek]

The fact Telltale is not involved should speak for itself.

[@thecircleoft.e.d2121]

It fucking does; I thought it odd, considering they're working on The Wolf Among Us' 2nd Season. Gearbox has completely shit the bed on this.

[@DrSkulzar]

yeah. it's unfortunate that what I've played of the game so far has actually kept me entertained.

[@hsd287]

It was years ago

[@hsd287]

@@thecircleoft.e.d2121 the studio went downhill that's y they cut ties with gearbox

[@testsmagazinejoystick1980]

What ? The original team is not make the game ? And Wolf story ?

[@JosephSmith-dc9rk]

It's impressive how gearbox manages to continue finding a lower pit to throw the borderlands IP down.

[@angryoldguy7501]

Thought they had sold the IP

[@zeebooboo9663]

@@angryoldguy7501 what?

[@angryoldguy7501]

@@zeebooboo9663 Gearbox sold the game

[@ReclamationRadio]

Of all the great storyline opportunities they pick the most gay of them all, like they could have crimson lance remnants takeover atlas, or some other gun industries to be shown. and the enemy, tediore, is the only interesting thing from that campaign. because it's a companies private army we haven't seen yet and looks cool, other than that all life from what borderlands once was is gone.

[@MiteNite]

@@ReclamationRadio brother you are complaining about the wrong thing LMFAO. There is enough life in the story, way TOO much life has been added and now everything is exaggerated. It's too over the top and cringe, it isnt that the life is gone and has nothing to do with the characters being gay, like shut up my guy, the game is bad because it doesn't have a good writing team.

[@narcotezn.c6248]

Wow, looks like they did both borderlands and telltale dirty.

[@hsd287]

Telltale isn't in this

[@narcotezn.c6248]

@@hsd287 I know, that's why it's trash. I expected to see just Rhys and fiona's story continue but instead, we get this cringefest.

[@SirBroadcast]

@@hsd287 Exactly.

[@135mikerules23]

I have a feeling the humor in this story, is going to be the kind where they won’t know when to let an attempt at a joke rest.

[@DoggaGames]

Fr, they make the same joke like every 5 minutes in this game. It makes me cringe rly badly.

[@brokeback9299]

Can confirm, the humor feels like watching a 2022 sitcom, cringe as hell, it's embarrassing

[@vectoralphaSec]

The humor is the same as Borderlands 2 as the head writer Anthony Burch from BL2 came back to write this game.

[@kemix1006]

@@vectoralphaSec he needs to relearn how to write. Maybe he broke that when he sucker punched David in 2019.

[@Agent_Cobalt]

So marvel at its worst?

[@moustafaabousalem1411]

It doesn't feel like a tales of a borderlands game. Hell it doesn't even feel like a borderlands game

[@putridblightking1697]

Fr

[@KwadDamyj]

Seriously, unless there's a good reason for it, I don't get why the video starts in a city instead of some backwater where another vault is.

[@NotRemmyCormo]

Exactly. I miss the days when Borderlands had a dystopian/post-apocalyptic feel to it. Hell, wasn't Promethea supposed to be worse than Pandora?

[@liliththefirehawk796]

I’m gonna say it. The last good Borderlands game was the original *Tales from the Borderlands*

[@NotRemmyCormo]

Preach.

[@hella2298]

Amen.

[@internetenjoyerr]

Isn't Rhys also supposed be a good guy? Like wtf, he should know what evil is because he literally had handsome Jack in his head, and brought down hyperion, can't wait to see how the media receives this game

[@modernmobster]

Well he's a straight white male, so he's evil now.

[@The_Punisher]

Well you see he's a white male the the current trend in writing is to make them the bad guy

[@RockNRollSurf]

Handsome Jack did nothing wrong lol. A true hero who wanted to make Pandora safe, but ended up getting betrayed by hypocritical psychopaths

[@dimabu3265]

You either die a hero or live long enough to become the villain. RIP Borderlands.

[@sledge2037]

the advertising campaign is simply terrible, does not correspond to reality. and so the game is even good

[@sloppynegan3663]

@@sledge2037 This is true. Im only 3 chapters in and the game is really good, surprisingly good

[@-thesalemcrow-5941]

It's a lot better the more you play, terrible start tho

[@dimabu3265]

@@-thesalemcrow-5941 really ? How much do they pay you to say that

[@-thesalemcrow-5941]

@@dimabu3265 I didn't even say it was that good

[@DugFromTheEarth]

Borderlands 3 was a success because 2 was such a hit, and 3 brought over the enhanced gameplay of its predecessor. It certainly wasnt popular due to its annoying new characters/cast and over attempts at appealing to the current social media generation. The original Tales was great because it had an great cast of characters and an amazing story. This new Tales game looks like it takes the worst part of Borderlands 3 and adds it to what seems to be a story based on those attempts to appeal to the current social media generation. The result doesnt look hopeful at ALL.

[@JackYaeger]

Sucks man, I still love borderlands 2 so it hurts to see it all go this way.

[@Loderyod]

This is the best analysis of new bl games I saw

[@Someone_KhabibbeatsJonesEASILY]

The graphics look good this time tho, BL3 graphics triggered me, it had a huge impact on the game imo, i want the same graphics as BL1 and BL2, they shouldn't try to make the game look more realistic, the comic design is what made it.

[@Ramperdos]

This sums it up perfectly.

[@Loderyod]

@@Someone_KhabibbeatsJonesEASILY fr, noticed it after replaying bl2 and tps, they completely changed their art style in 3 making it much more generic and uninspired. If we think about it they basically broke every design philosophy they had, it's not always a bad thing, for example bl2 did the same, but 1. not to this extent and 2. bl3 didn't need to do that because previous art style has become a staple of borderlands franchise

[@aboba_dev_channel]

Generic NPCs become the main characters, wow

[@StayFlayed]

LMAO yup. I called em miniboss looking asses, not even fit for a cutscene.

[@Bread_n_Roses]

Oh... Oh no. You really managed to dash my hopes for this game in less than 10 seconds.

[@Realgigclin]

Yep my confidence in them telling a good story went completely out the window

[@NotRemmyCormo]

With the way BL3 turned out, it's as if I had any hope to begin with.

[@MrTrev80]

@@NotRemmyCormo Agreed. Borderlands 3 story and villains were straight cringe.

[@thesmall1823]

1:08 when he said “it’s heroin time” I really was stoned. Truly one of the most games of all the time

[@Amber_Valentine]

the entire gearbox employee is shitposter now

[@mothefreakingoat]

LMFAOO

[@mothefreakingoat]

Mf think he ben 10 💀🙏🙏💯

[@Taffer-King]

Fucking hell, I didn't think the writing could get worse than borderlands 3.

[@JayAndersenGreatestProfile]

This is proof that Jack carried the series too hard. New Gearbox couldn't create a cast as appealing the OG borderlands characters and especially no one like Jack.

[@Kvodan]

LOL, the problem is not strong-char from the past series, but poor narrative, plot and world-building overall since Bored-erlands 3

[@NefariousSpecter]

I disagree, General Knoxx, Captain Scarlett, Butcher Rose were pretty good villains after Jack (except Knoxx he came before) the problem is Gearbox is more worried about today's political climate than make a good game with a good plot and interesting characters.

[@Kvodan]

@@NefariousSpecter exactly bro

[@claclaclac1]

This has nothing to do with a missing Jack, the maincast was terrible right from the reveal and now we see the end product and it looks like they let a 5 year old do the script & writing. Sad to see whats happening to the Borderlands Franchise when you think back at how good Borderlands 2 & ToB were.

[@mellojello1248]

I disagree but its funny how many ppl love the old stuff so much you can't enjoy new stuff. oh I meant sad not funny sorry

[@noatiendoboludos]

10 seconds in and I already hate it, "y'all" Saints Row moment all over again.

[@matttheradartechnician]

I feel like at this point EA could do a better job with borderlands than gearbox itself.

[@wolfsigma]

Man... Tales of Borderlands is pretty special to me. The opening of chapter 5... the use of existing characters... Loader Bot. I don't see anything in this new game that is likely to make me care as much. Maybe I will be wrong... but I will let someone else play it to find out.

[@sticklyboi]

what are your thoughts a year later, because im filled with nothing but a violent rage

[@wolfsigma]

@sticklyboi And I never played it. Just the few scenes I saw in playthroughs was enough to watch me completely off. But I get the rage. Had I played it I would feel the same.

[@random2wins570]

Man every franchise I loved is going to flames rip in peace gaming

[@Strider1Wilco]

be woke go broke :(

[@vectoralphaSec]

lol what does that even mean?? Your comment makes no sense.

[@RazzyRazzam]

“i fEaR cHaNgE”

[@Se7en398]

@@RazzyRazzam more like unwanted repulsive change.

[@RazzyRazzam]

@@Se7en398 cry more 😭😁

[@Box0r0x0rz]

Did they just have a bot rummage through twitter and have it write a script with Randy shoehorning his fetishes in there?

[@Somethingtheguy]

The first joke already concerned

[@OblivionCairn]

I’ll look for my copy in a bargain bin

[@BunkMasterFlex77]

Or free on gamepass

[@provaricus627]

@@BunkMasterFlex77 I’d still feel ripped off

[@Larencia91]

I'd go for the garbage bin.

[@OlrikMeister]

The first joke captures the entire feel of this game. "Do you guys realize what we have here?" "Women" - ok so far so good "Do you women realize what we have here? "Just say y'all" An unneeded 2e joke which is the same but worse.

[@UnlikeRelic]

I disagree I think even that first joke was dumb ass hell

[@mellojello1248]

it was literally funny you weird anti pc ppl are just bitter 💀

[@MasterChief69420]

@@mellojello1248 no, no it wasn’t. It’s unoriginal and boring.

[@enriquealvarez8636]

@@mellojello1248 it was not funny at all

[@spazbella1863]

@@mellojello1248 i really hope you're joking with that shit

[@dimabu3265]

watch how mansplaining and misogony is the main point of the story

[@tufty7026]

Stop it, you’re triggering me.

[@CopiousDoinksLLC]

I don't really understand the appeal of these 'Tales from the Borderlands' games to begin with but this looks just looks like the devs were deliberately attempting to tick every box on a diversity checklist. The characters just look... ugly. No, 2K - I don't want to play as a fat woman in a wheelchair. I don't want to play as a runty-looking guy with brown skin who has an unfathomable accent or an annoying Indian woman. I'm happy that there are people out there who are going to feel 'represented' by these characters but that means that this game is for them and not for me, so don't get mad when I simply don't want to play it.

[@provaricus627]

@@CopiousDoinksLLC You really think people are gonna feel represented by these? They’re basically stereotypes!

[@cva1234]

I hope the loans you're getting for making your company more diverse are worth the lack of sales.

[@RetroGhoulHQ]

well this looks like it doesn't understand what made the original TFTB good at all

[@Kvodan]

Bored-erlands 3 already looks like it doesn't understand what made the original Borderlands series good at all. Time to wake up since 2019

[@utubecop11]

This looks horrific. Those first 10 seconds... Jesus Christ. I once heard that game writers used to look at our greatest media for inspiration ( the best films, great sci fi authors, ect.) and now all they do is get inspiration from Twitter. Couldn't be more accurate.

[@FrankyAkamtsu]

this is so paintfull to watch. i cant anymore. i just cant.

[@N3rvousWrek]

Do people actually find this funny? Like not trolling this is cringe.

[@C-MOON-PZV]

>drops the ball 2 seconds in

[@doomi_nukem]

the humor reminds me of saints row 2022

[@DugFromTheEarth]

wonder how many will read this and think this is a positive thing

[@twinodoom]

That's a compliment to Saints Row 2022

[@vectoralphaSec]

No the humor is the same as Borderlands 2 as the head writer Anthony Burch from BL2 came back to write this game.

[@DugFromTheEarth]

@@vectoralphaSec Hmmm, the wiki shows Lin Joyce as the writer. No mention of Burch. If Burch did come back for this, then there is a bit of hope in it being decent.

[@Day100]

@@vectoralphaSec not the lead writer here. He did do some work on it, just like the previous tales game, but the head writer has only done BL3 DLC before. Doug also has a hit or miss record with some memorable TV shows/games (including the the season finale of the walking dead telltale game series) but with some missteps too.

[@Keela99]

Can't wait to add this to my not to play list

[@DootNoot]

The fact i knew this trailer is bad from first 5 seconds of watching, is insane

[@sirnarwhal9911]

Ah, man, why did they bring Rhys into this? They're gonna ruin him. 😔

[@TakeMeSurprise]

yep, they ruined Rhys in the BL3 too P.S. most people voted for Rhys to remove his moustache but judging by the new game, they don’t care about the vote

[@Lilian040210]

@@TakeMeSurprise he did and he grew it back 😂

[@MrHemFun]

Rhys change broke my heart, I was unbelievably hyped at the Tales of the borderlands finale to see him again in BL3, where he lost all his character development and became a child

[@enriquealvarez8636]

@@MrHemFun my same thoughts except swap rhys with van. They murdered his character.

[@samyt681]

RIP Borderlands They did Tediore dirty in this horrible game.

[@mortalsochan]

This is another sad case where the developer went full woke and cringe and destroyed a whole franchise.

[@dstock9855]

these people should legally never be allowed to make any games ever again

[@Jamesthemaze]

So much for wondering what happened to Fiona or where our beloved characters ended up… oh and remember the cryptic warning on how war is coming? So much for that

[@SrChr778]

You either die a hero or live long enough to.... well, not go anywhere.

[@justanegsfan]

i bought wonderlands and played it for no more than a few hours, i def aint gettin this one

[@YvanW92]

It's the first time of my whole life I get so much unhyped watching a videogame trailer. GG gearbox.

[@FlampyPants]

someone needs to take randy out back

[@DoggyAntlers]

My expectations were low but holy fuck.

[@dragonjuice2052]

I’m so glad I decided to not pre order 😊

[@jesseburson]

Go woke go broke at some point you gotta leave all the bullshit at the door and just a make a game thats fun

[@republicraider8336]

This looks so unbelievable awful. How could you take such a loved game and give it such a disgustingly awful sequel. The main characters look so bland and 2 dimensional, their whole personalities are just virtue signalling. Shame on you.

[@antoniorivolta783]

Please do not buy this game, I love Borderlands but we need to leave a sign, money are better then words

[@one-upfilmz6649]

Gearbox can you please..PLEASE for the love of god get better writers to make a better story for the game..literally your game franchise is dying with these awful writers that don't know it's game's story.

[@Realgigclin]

The first 10 seconds of this video tells me everything I need to know

[@rizrants]

I'm new to the borderlands franchise (started playing from the 3rd game) and I haven't played the original tales from the borderlands, but judging from the other fans reactions, I assume gearbox made a bad decision here? So I'm not too hyped about this one. Then again, if I'm being honest the idea of making a team of characters that are very unlikely to team up sounds fun. But I doubt this will be enough to follow up on Handsome Jack's glorious evil feats.

[@jameswood7207]

How the mighty have fallen

[@XyzgorYT]

1:08 it's morbin' time

[@vholst]

Tales from the Borderlands was probably the best game in the Borderlands franchise. This looks like a run of the mill shitfest that could only come from Randy "I love a good joke. I mean, for fuck's sake, I own the Duke Nukem franchise" Pitchford

[@DeadFool321]

Shame, between this and that tiny tina game borderlands has seemingly lost it's way.

[@Crazyfayze]

Wait is this out already? Wasn't really paying attention to this. Doesn't look like it has the magic of the 1st tales.

[@hsd287]

Yes just released and I think it's cool too

[@TracksterTV]

this gives me no hope for a borderlands 4 if it ever happens what have they done to this beautiful series

[@Somethingtheguy]

WHATS THE POINT OF A DELUXE EDITION

[@Crazyfayze]

Seriously

[@Gunsmoke1084]

The whole hover chair thing still reminds me of Kleese from Battleborn. Speaking of which how many characters were in that game? 30. Oh hey, I don't know maybe re-use some assets... OTHER than the hover chair.

[@mutekichojin]

New Fails From The Blunderlands

[@PlRRAD]

Who are your guys appealing to with this one? Sure aint the GUYS who like the previous ones

[@morpeko17]

Borderlands 2 is the best game ever. I beat it multiple times and I still play it.

[@SaundersYT]

Then don’t play this when it comes out. Pretend that the series ended after the Pre-Sequel/original Tales from the Borderlands.

[@vectoralphaSec]

then you will enjoy this game because the humor is the same as Borderlands 2 as the head writer Anthony Burch from BL2 came back to write this game.

[@bapanada]

genuinely thought this was like a fucking porn parody ad for a little bit

[@cyrusstoke11]

Best part of tales from the borderlands, was that we didn't know the story before we started playing....

[@tix3870]

Can't believe the franchise that inspired me to get creative turned into this.

[@scarecrow9103]

I found the game in my trash I got it played it I return it 1 hour later because I knew it was trash

[@FairPlayGaming]

It is fascinating how one element, which in this case would is the writing, is capable of destroying an entire game. It is so bad.

[@josephbrown4768]

"If Twitter made a video game."

[@icycleragon]

They actually named it 'New' Tales wow

[@RobSny94]

This is what we're getting for the second tales from the borderlands game? I'm gonna stick to wonderlands

[@sleepingblue2605]

You ruined it, no idea how you could ruin Rhys, but you did. No idea how you could make the writing worse but you have. Great job

[@NotRemmyCormo]

When I first saw the advertisements on my Xbox, I thought they accidentally put the pictures of whatever generic overly brightly colored sci-fi game that's popular at the moment while advertisement the original TFTBL.

[@loboalcurry]

Cant wait for this to be a floop

[@Deejy1]

The first borderlands game I’m not buying. That’s depressing

[@ThatJohnS]

When I remember how good the past Borderlands trailers looked (and how much the writing went downhill since then), this just makes me sad. The absence of many of OG Borderlands devs in Gearbox, Anthony Burch (never thought I'd say that just a couple of years back) and in this case lack of Telltale influence is being felt more and more with each Borderlands entry.

[@jfkisback5934]

Anthony Burch came back for this game

[@vectoralphaSec]

Lol. The humor is the same as Borderlands 2 as the head writer Anthony Burch from BL2 came back to write this game.

[@jfkisback5934]

I've watched the first hour of this game and it's not bad the robot that is like zero is amazing, this is coming from someone who hated bl3's story

[@ThatJohnS]

Ok that's interesting, didn't know that, thanks for letting me know. Apparently he was really writing it, but I haven't heard anything about that until now. I'll give the game a chance of course, I love Borderlands. But my point on the trailers for this being really bad stands.

[@jfkisback5934]

@@ThatJohnS I'll agree the trailers have been pretty bad

[@dontcallmenice1949]

This is Borderlands 3 if you cut out the actually fun gameplay of that game and just left the horrible writing.

[@jeffdrake9006]

Honestly I would rather see them focus Tiny Tina DLCs instead. They still have crazy potential 4 wonderlands but I'm not the biggest fan of the current path they are taking with borderlands why experiment so much when the old formula was the best formula. Pls dont ruin my favorite franchise because of Twitter

[@nineradvocate]

000

[@tylertuliszewski2835]

Facts bro

[@Landofalcon007]

Getting some serious Saints Row (2022) vibes here. Not good.

[@vaineratom7739]

Hi btw notice as you scroll along there are zero comments praising or hyping this game Really says a lot when u think about it

[@ChilledAnarchist]

This actually looks terrible

[@RobDeFreitas]

music name? thx

[@SimpleTakes0]

Is it bad to say that this trailer slipped under the radar for me even tho I was fallowing this 😣did I miss anything from not pre ordering that’s important

[@matttheradartechnician]

No you did not miss a thing from this dumpster fire of a game.

[@Teyuqueuiquop]

I hate this game, and above all else, I hate Fran

[@GyroGarrison]

Not one white male. Very interesting but not surprising...

[@Realgigclin]

Only white characters are villains and psychos

[@Unknown-wj4ps]

No way😂 I gave up buying more Borderlands games, I will just stuck to 2 honestly.

[@vectoralphaSec]

The humor is the same as Borderlands 2 as the head writer Anthony Burch from BL2 came back to write this game.

[@spazbella1863]

@@vectoralphaSec none of it was funny or entertaining it just made me suicidal

[@vectoralphaSec]

@@spazbella1863 It was funny and entertaining to me. Maybe you're just dead inside.

[@douk3395]

Not even 10 seconds and I couldn't watch more

[@gamzeemakara3075]

Is there a possibility of finishing the rest of borderlands pre sequels dlc can be finished? I think there's a lot of potential considering it's pretty fun. Idk, I just think the game could've gotten more love. Anyway, hyped to get this game.

[@Kvodan]

New Fails from the Bored-erlands - Official Cringe Trailer use correct title next time pls, and stop called Borderlands F-tier garbage!

[@FlameXgames]

The actual f*ck is this? This ain't Borderlands let alone Tales. Reminds me of the rebooted Saints Row game.

[@modernmobster]

God, I used to love Borderlands so much. I bought BL1 on release day, all dlc, BL2 and all dlc, Tales, Pre-sequel, and all dlc,and I replayed them all so many times. I still haven't bought BL3 and I doubt I'll be getting this either. Such a shame to see another once awesome franchise turn to shit.

[@Realgigclin]

BL3 was only worth it for the gameplay, you have to suffer everything else... This game, you can't even say you're in it for the gameplay, it's just story and looks like pure torture

[@ElBandito]

Cringefest. From start to finish.

[@enriquealvarez8636]

Especially at the start

[@arturourbina6656]

It begins at last

[@flawseeingeye]

i think i'll pass on this one.

[@martijnmiller]

Nooooooo worst choice I made this year.... I recently finished Tales from the borderlands 1 with great pleasure! I was so enthusiastic, I wanted to get a start on new tales ftb without spoilers, reviews and trailers.... I had so much faith in it... But this sucks so tremendously hard.... WTF? Why was this ever marketed as a good idea?... I can't keep this up for the required 10 hours.... So unfortunate... What a waste of 'good faith' and money... Then back to my old pattern of accepting unnecessary 'spoilers' by watching trailers and reviews. The lesson I learnt this day....

[@davek8488]

western dev doing their hardest drawing the most repulsive looking woman in their game 🔥🔥🔥✍️✍️🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@llilacprince]

Based take. Octavio looks absolutely repulsive, as well. In western gaming every gender, all two of them, gets to be beaten with an ugly stick to near death conditions. True equality achieved.

[@абизейшн]

1:09 Just🦷🪥

[@nathansteiner8595]

I'm glad I'm not the only one watched this is was completly not interested in it. I saw that a new tales of the borderlands was out and I was so excited. I watched this trailer and now I dont care.

[@Gunfire-xb1ci]

This does not look fun or funny in any way. Fell off

[@fromashesreborn.]

cry abt it ig

[@loboalcurry]

@@fromashesreborn. yeah we will cry as well as the sales numbers, we'll make sure they know fans dont want this type of cringe ass sht in this franchice

[@SigvaldtheMagnificentPrince]

@@fromashesreborn. On a scale rating of 1 to 10 how much would you say you enjoyed this mans tears?

[@loboalcurry]

Tbh thd IP is almost dead with theese last 3 games so...yeah dont know whats going to be next

[@samyt681]

@@fromashesreborn. cope

[@teslobo]

I think its telling that they won't even tell us the plot of this narrative-driven game

[@mellojello1248]

they've never given away the plot in any borderlands trailer? why would they start now

[@teslobo]

@@mellojello1248 Go rewatch the trailer for the previous tales game. Clear setup, goal and character motivation. This game, for all its marketing, has omitted all of the above

[@Sairnaq]

I noticed some discussion get removed, that kinda disapointing....