New to FFXIV? NEVER Do These 6 Things!

If you're coming to FFXIV from ESO or WOW, there are a bunch of things you're used to that could get you suspended in FFXIV. And yes, this is all obvious to people who read the code of conduct, but let's be honest, most people don't do that before they start playing.
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[@blazzmatazz9051]

Any group content I have been apart of where someone, including myself, was struggling, there was always someone or multiple people there helping with a positive attitude. Love this community

[@LeAnhThyEli]

Becouse if they say otherwise, like he mentioned in the video, they will get punish. This leads to an issue that the game is one of the most or maybe the most ''passive aggressive'' community outthere xd I play ff14 and I love the game too, but many times I wish that ppl just be straight forward about stuffs instead of being passive aggressive to avoid getting punish :

[@darkshadowsaver]

@@LeAnhThyEli thats why people avoid talking in the chat and perfer discord voice chat.

[@TherapyDerg]

@@darkshadowsaver That and it is hard to find a moment to type while in a dungeon unless everyone stops for a moment.

[@litchtheshinigami8936]

as it should be. i would do the same. i love helping others improve instead of putting them down. because everyone starts somewhere and i would love to be helped myself so why not help another

[@blazzmatazz9051]

@@litchtheshinigami8936 you're one of the good ones

[@Mogmoi]

As a new player i have had really great experiences with randoms in duty finder, i usually blame random wipes and such on myself (tank) but the funny thing is that i have seen so many people ''figthing'' for the blame

[@dalgona4819]

Had a similar experience but as Healer. Since I'm not good at healing as SGE and still learning I pretty much blame myself for a wipe, but usually the tank would take the blame themselves for some reason 😭

[@danm2084]

Lol for real. Just last night I kept messing up and another guy and I were both at the same time saying oops my fault lol. I was like why does he think that was his fault? I'm the one who died and I'm the healer lol. He was probably thinking the same thing.

[@Rystefn]

Because a wipe is never fully one person's fault. If one person is messing up, the others can cover for it if they're on their game. This is true in all games, but in most, they're just toxic assholes about it. In FFXIV, nearly everyone is willing to admit to it.

[@XxTaiMTxX]

@@danm2084 There's a couple reasons for that. 1. Most people generally consider it "the job" of the Tank to know the encounter and inform everyone how it works. It isn't a requirement, but it's just a "generally accepted" rule. So, if you're dying to mechanics, a tank may blame themselves. 2. If you're dying or having a hard time keeping up as a Healer, it is generally accepted that the Tank needs to "slow down" for you, so they'll blame themselves. 3. If you're running out of mana a lot because fights are taking too long, most DPS will blame themselves. 4. Most DPS will blame themselves if they're dying a lot as well, since it's really not that difficult to avoid damage. Aside from "unavoidable damage" stuff, a Healer really isn't needed most of the time. 5. Healing isn't too difficult to do most of the time. The game rarely demands anything substantial from you. So, if everyone is wiping, it isn't usually the fault of the Healer due to how the game is designed. Put simply, Healer is just a low DPS class that can erase the mistakes of players who don't play well... or who is necessary for things like Tank Busters or "hit all party member" attacks, and that's it. It's possible to basically beat most of the bosses without a Healer, until you get into high level content.

[@theotherstar7040]

id argue that people self blame more because they aren't able to constantly be gaslit by players who screw up and then call them out to be toxic due to squares policy. the normal reaction in other mmos is to gaslight, you see it all the time, and this leads to people being defensive of themselves as apposed to acknowledging their own errors and learning from it

[@DanielVanDerWerken]

Ex WoW player here: So, I started a healer, Scholar, a few weeks ago. Maybe a month? Anyway, I was terrified of any dungeon runs with real people, and thankfully, I was able to avoid them all through ARR (I had to ask what ARR means in Free Company Chat). Anyway, I got through ARR using NPC helpers, and was mortified to find I had to do a run as a healer for my first dungeon. Let me tell you, I didn't do all that well. I had no idea about the mechanics of the dungeon and died. I didn't know how to rez myself because I'd click OK and nothing would happen. The tank, bless her heart, was amazingly kind. She gave me encouragement, waited for me to click and HOLD the OK button (after she told me what to do), showed me how not to die due to the unremovable DoT the mob puts on us, and complemented me after the dungeon was done. On the next dungeon run, I told them I was new, and I got even more tips and tricks from the tank. I guess a lot of healer mains play tank too. Question mark. I've since made many other runs. In a few with two healers, where we kill a boss only and don't really run anywhere, I am usually the healer that is rez'd multiple times. No one has ever yelled at me. I was originally told that the community is much, much nicer than the WoW community, and I can tell you I am so happy that it is. With that said, this video explains a lot. BTW: I absolutely LOATHE how WoW players track DPS and such with their mods, etc.

[@ninponighthawk]

Firstly, welcome to Eorzia and we hope you enjoy your time. Secondly, as long as you announce yourself as new and are able to at least try to implement feedback you will find that 99% of players will absolutely let all your mistakes slide. Third, that sprout icon above your head is a huge sign saying, "I will make mistakes, I am likely to die, I am sorry in advance." and it is a silent rule that sprouts are treated with the utmost care and kindness. Once you graduate from sprout you will likely not receive much instruction as it'll be assumed you know the basics and mechanics and if you decide to become a battle mentor or full crown mentor you may get a joke in the party chat like, "Hey you doing okay over there or are you needing a min." If you EVER need help or are scared to approach something alone and dont have anyone in game to do it with, Artemis Nightshade is my in game name and im on cactuar. I main a tank and I'll be happy to walk you through any content you need.

[@bellamango6708]

Im a healer main and I often go tank for mentor roulettes purely bc its often the role in need xD once you understand how combat works from every angle, its made me a better healer too :3 most of us do love teaching/helping

[@NarutoUzumaki-jl9hk]

I dont want to be this person but its not that the community is nicer its that the tos doesnt allow anyone to say whatever they want which tbh is a double edge sword bc in casual content its whatever but in savage and ultimates i think ppl should be able to speak their mind since everyone should know at that point atleast how to do dmg and ask questions about mechs if need be and not stay silent and wipe the group or lie about a prog point

[@NarutoUzumaki-jl9hk]

Also the dps meter is used by alot of ppl its just that no one says anything about having it xd. And yes alot of ppl play other jobs bc when u reach the end the only things u can do beside doing ultimate and savage is expanding ur horrizon bc content drops pretty slow when u already have done everything

[@Xonz102]

It's not that tanks play healers, but because you can play all jobs on a single character they might've already played that role.

[@fredbruniera2113]

got into ffxiv after years and years of wow. i was baffled by how well received you are in duty finders, etc. it even took me waaaaaay longer than it should have to queue for my 1st duty finder when doing the main questline bc i thought id get trashed so whenever id get the choice to use a npc party instead, id totally choose that instead of "ruining other people's runs into a dungeon". when i first did [queue for duty finders] tho, i fell in love with the community. it's amazing.

[@paulspeak1555]

Absolutely agree with you, I was exactly the same. It's taken me a year of playing FFXIV and I'm only NOW getting used to doing dungeons with other real people...THAT's how brainwashed WoW, ESO etc make you.

[@fredbruniera2113]

@@paulspeak1555 brainwashed, that's the best word to use for it. either you are 'good enough' to play with the other kids, or you keep it to yourself and go solo. what really gets me is that when you reach a point where you can actually do mythical+ in wow without being yelled at, you start becoming the oppressor; you start getting angry with other ppl that aren't 'good enough'. it's a sickness.

[@runo4155]

Yeah, I did my first dungeon last week and died (I ran off on my own which was my fault). I apologized and instantly got "it's all good!" From everyone

[@paulspeak1555]

@@runo4155 I've had those exact words from so many people, I'm sure they have it on a macro 🤣

[@dazzlemasseur]

Until you try tanking in stormblood dungeons. I got so unlucky with passive aggressive people while leveling my tanks in those specific dungeons.

[@ReiperX]

I find some of the rules a bit harsh, but you know what, the community is actually helpful, and unlike in WoW, there seems to be actual communication in chat when in dungeons, or at least friendly greetings which felt nice.

[@Darkfirewolf12]

Kinda rare you get such rudeness. i only got an rude comment cause someone accused me of being carried. forgetting i'm just new to the game and has much to learn

[@PivotHeld]

only bad thing i read is when i run dungeons with a (almost blind) friend who sometimes gets stuck on some walls or other obstacles and needs me to go back a bit to make him able to autofollow me again.... sh1t like "are these two bots or wtf they doing?" always hope he doesnt look into chat when this happens. 😪

[@laerwen]

XIV has the added benefit that people are given some space to learn, typically. With WoW, everything is datamined 6 months in advance so on release day 1, you have some cretin badmouthing you with slurs about how you don't know what's going on. Not having that unreasonable pressure is a massive help and honestly imo the way it should be,

[@absolutefolly2011]

No one talks in wow random group chats - because they can just get suspended from automatic mass reports by angry and toxic people....the report system is COMPLETELY FUCKIGN AUTOMATED. Mass reporting to spite people is a massssssive problem and one of the main reasons I quit that dogshit ass game. Blizzard is an abomination, a complete dystopia of what it used to be. Their games are all made horrible by bad systems, more bots than players, outright gold buying(literally by the company itself too) and selling carries/services, and the utter destruction of the sense of accomplishment of anything in their games. Why play to acheive anything when theres a million bots FLYHACKING around you farming it all anyway so that some google translating dude in china can sell it to you from their bot network that blizzard essentially endorses with its "ban waves kekw" (aka make the botters pay the blizz tax every 6months)...and then you can use that cheap gold to buy your raid carry, gear and acheivement so you can get invited to a normal raid....its an abomination. Wow is fucking dead and it deserves it. And the people left there are as toxic as can possibly be, becuase they all hate the soup of shit they swim in, but are too nostalgic or invested to quit - addicts all of them. taking straight fentanyl from source of evil itself. Moving from wow to FFXIV is like getting off a decade long addiction to crack and finally feeling inner peace for the first time in your life.

[@JH-vb1wo]

So I just started ff online yesterday morning and I’ve already played close to 18 hours and I’m in love. There is so much to do it’s insane but I love it

[@rivervaughanmusicstuff5771]

You haven't seen anything yet, I promise. (;

[@MinnySteppa]

i have over 1.3k hours on and i still find many things i still haven't done and content ive yet to complete

[@eivarden]

its ok at the start, but will start to drag until Lv50... but keep with it! it will still be a slow burn, but unlike the Lv20-50 range, this slow burn actually pays off, and the pay off always gets better. I know many ppl who gave up at Lv50, and the few who pushed through, thanked me for pushing them to keep going, as they all almost quit before seeing all the good stuff.

[@astralisforever]

you will love the story, i ended the story yesterday and i cried xD

[@borjc9]

I recently started ffxiv. Got couple max levels. I really wish this game had more end game contents. I hate raiding. I prefer smaller groups. And I hate the fact that you need to raid to get bis. Then people sat “You don’t need to play games like other people tell you”. WTF U MEAN? What am I supposed to then? I don’t find fashion game to be a thing unless I’m geared to DESTROY. It’s just an extra feature of game that comes with it. Do old ass quests that are mildly interesting? What do I get out of those? Fact that I know ffxiv story a tad better? Please stop recommending things that YOU DON’T DO to others.

[@athras8822]

#6 is partially true, there are a LOT of toxic people in FF14, they just can't be openly toxic, so they end up being extremely passive aggressive. For example, if you aren't pulling your weight in a raid, they can't kick you, so they will just disband and reinvite everybody but you.

[@knumbtv]

LOL thats funny

[@tiagosoares9699]

And that is a nice way to say you suck… not toxic at all

[@AlleluiaElizabeth]

We have vote kick. They can kick you.

[@HikingFeral]

Yeah this is true, I end up having to block maybe 1 or 2 people a year. In other games it's 1 or 2 people a week, sometimes a day. In general people in FFXIV don't just try to be nice, I have found they are nicer. Someone gave me 24,000000 gil of Diadochos gear for free when I hit 90, people give me mounts and minions or PM me to tell me I look great. I have never experienced that in any other game and that's not because they can get banned, you can't get banned for not giving people free stuff all the time. People are in general, much nicer than in most other games.

[@LuluGamingDK]

Yup. 😅 I've lost cpunt of how many times. I have literally had to ragequit the party for everybody 2 force everyone out just to kick 1 person because they were holding us back. I keep my mouth shut until they would say something on discord and then I would turn around and be like you're trash goodbye. 😂 But that was back during my hard court end game days. I pretty much quit end game Reading once my kids were born. 😅 Last thing I need is them seeing daddy get mad at a game and trying to figure out why.

[@thebadshave503]

The big thing to remember about FFXIV is that it's basically never worth getting upset at another player in a casual run. There's a couple places here and there where a player not knowing the mechanics can mess up the group but roulette and story content is intentionally tuned very generously. The game gets harder but never to a level where you really need to nitpick while doing story stuff. Performance-demanding content is pretty only in advanced versions of trials you have to want to do and don't impact progression and by the time you're in the mood for that you should have a group, discord or other chat where you can talk mods and meters.

[@Meoiswa]

A common misconception is that you cannot tell other players anything at all related to their playstyle, or you'll get banned for harassment. This is straight up wrong, you can point out issues and even suggest corrections if you can assess that they are objectively playing the game wrong. What you must never do is belittle or harass a player for their mistakes/inability. For example, you can tell the sprout BLM that he isn't supposed to just spam Ice spells and that he needs to be using Fire ones to pull his weight, what you MUST NOT do is harass the player if he ignores you or continues to play incorrectly ("Lethargic behavior", an offense according to the rules as described in the Prohibited Activities article).

[@Shiirow]

people take being told not to be an arrogant toolbag to other players as they cant be helpful, probably because in other games they think being an arrogant toolbag _is_ being helpful. then they wonder why people in those games get super defensive when given "advice". Ive seen it many times, even the most helpful advice will fall on deaf ears if you deliver in counter productive manner. sometimes how you word something is more important than what you say. its sad to see some youtubers who think being abusive and dismissive help people get better. they take the drill sergeant approach to learning where they simply brow beat people into submission.

[@SekiberiusWelkesh]

Yeah, there's nothing wrong with constructive criticism, just with constant bashing without offering any way for them to improve. But when telling people ways to improve, don't be an ass, don't name call. Thankfully ff14 has an amazingly chill community for the most part, especially towards sprouts. Don't be afraid to help people out, especially new tanks.

[@tenjenk]

yes exactly. lots of people misunderstand that the rule is used in a very specific context, where a person is actually them being rude and harassing the other player. Anything else is a false rumour being spread by those who got a warning or ban for behaving like they do in other mmos.

[@Klefth]

All it takes is for anyone to feel upset enough to file the report for being corrected, regardless of your tone, so it really just varies wildly from person to person. It is no secret at all that the GMs in XIV are extremely heavy handed, and couldn't possibly be more vague to the people punished for any offense at all. You really are just better off staying quiet and not disrupting life in Pleasantville.

[@Meoiswa]

@@Klefth This is exactly what I mean, this is untrue, I've been reported at least twice where I was contacted via PM by a GM, taken to jail (for convenience), and after conversing with them, having charges dropped because it was, in fact, not a violation of the rules (but the other player overreacting to what was objectively good advise)

[@TheCaptDude]

I just started playing FFiv for the first time since launch(Only played a couple weeks then) and I was amazed how non toxic the chat and community are. Like, all of them. It does not feel real lol. I am loving it!

[@godofm3tal1]

Doesn't feel real because it's not. It's a dystopian nightmare where people can't speak because anything other than "hi" and "tyfg" will get you banned. Of course the chat is clean. But when you stop deluding yourself and come to the realization that you're pissing people off and underperforming for them while they are simply prohibited from actually informing you of that fact, your disposition will shift. Because that's the reality. Nothing has actually changed. People aren't any nicer. They are just muted. Silenced. Ball gagged. All so people like you can feel better about being trash.

[@jomama55ful]

I'm an 18-year veteran of Wow, been in a nationally ranked guild, that surprisingly was not toxic. However, I dreaded randoms, due to the toxicity. I literally have PTSD from that experience. It took me quite a while to adjust to the ffxiv community, and even now I still experience initial anxiety on new instance when in a random... Love the community here, and I'll adjust eventually.

[@fightingblind]

​@@jomama55ful but... but... weak auras and parsing!!! 😂

[@chris943]

One of the big culture shocks for people coming from MMOs, especially WoW, is the DPS check. This is just now starting to creep up on the end-game portion of the game. WoW has more pure dps checks in their end-game content, but FFXIV is more comfort with the encounter than DPS. The more comfortable you are with the encounter the more DPS you will contribute. Designers have even stated that they despise parsers, and say they do nothing but breed toxicity, and I agree with him. Parses should only be used for personal development and not for judging others.

[@max7971]

Experience with the fight contributes to your uptime and therefore dps? Say it ain’t so!

[@Ytinasniiable]

I played in wow for years and only ever used the charts to check where I was among others of my class/spec/gear to make sure I wasn't doing something way wrong with my rotation (I always try to develop my rotations through intuition rather than google, so I feel like I'm getting better at my class naturally); kinda miss them, but yeah some folks were numbers fanatics and finding a raid guild could be a struggle if you couldnt put up the numbers

[@godofm3tal1]

Endgame content requires you to contribute a specific amount of DPS to complete it. There's a reason those endgame trial guilds do all their communicating on discord and require you to show parses to apply for positions. Now, I'm sure you're going to try to make a claim that you just randomly dropped into a savage raid group with pitiful DPS and completed the content with no issues and nobody flamed you, but we both know that would be bullshit.

[@laerwen]

@@li-co Speaking of trash logic - saying you should break a rule because an encounter is designed a certain way is weak reasoning. How about you stop being such a bad sport about it?

[@krayte5120]

@@laerwen I recognise that the Council has made a decision. But given that it’s a stupid-ass decision, I’ve elected to ignore it. That is to say, the content is hard enough that you need a solid team of try hards, and you need to have a measurement to gatekeep people who aren't up to snuff. The logic there is perfectly sensible...

[@bluumberry]

#2 harassing people over their dps is against TOS. Telling people ways to improve their dps is not and it's easy to see if someone is lacking without any addons simply by using game knowledge (pulls taking forever, low threat on a dpser, skill animations showing them using wrong skills, etc). You just got to pick your battles and how you approach your interactions.

[@Buttersaemmel]

still i manage to run half a dungeon as a tank not realising i forgot my tank stance. don't go around trash talking people for how they play but...please let me know if i'm stupid! ^^

[@iconuchiha16]

What if i tell my tank they aren't keeping the aggro and keeping getting us all killed and i tell them they are supposed to keep the aggro while another tells them exactly how to keep said aggro and then they say they are always told this stuff what would that be considered

[@belphegor_tv]

If you are a jerk about someone's dps, you will get mass reported by us. ACT or no ACT.

[@jeremyphillips3992]

​@@belphegor_tvyour dps sucks

[@I_Crit_My_Pants]

Actually TELLING people to do anything is against the TOS, it specifically states this. Even singling someone out is against ToS... you have to make a suggestion, to the group. You may want to read up lol

[@huh8662]

FF14 is Tolerance Camp & as everyone knows "here at Tolerance Camp, intolerance....will not be tolerated."

[@Matt-tf2oh]

my favorite part about the no negativity or harassing about playing rules is that it's actually created an environment where people help each other, and so more players learn to play well, and therefore there are less instances of people playing poorly because others take the time to teach them. Making a supportive community makes the game more fun and easier to play.

[@alecbertrand3306]

It actually had the inverse effect of cultivating a playerbase thats very bad at its own game, I would say those rules are very bad for the game, because it just makes people scared of saying anything against a player that obviously has no clue what they are doing. Contrary to what people believe you can easily tell when someone is doing bad dps, and its not against the rules to give advice that is not insulting, the issue is that people think it is, so they will see someone obviously play like a monkey and not say anything.

[@lucaaryas8504]

that's just not true. the only difference between the FF community and any other MMO community is that the toxicity is outside of game instead of in it. plus there are a lot more players who dont even understand the fundamentals of gameplay at end game than in any other MMO. and by end game i dont mean high end i mean just finishing the story.

[@_Enygma_]

Thats not true at all. I am always parsing and like 99% of the playerbase outright sucks are the game. People are nice about it because they're forced to be. And any time I make any suggestion like "Hey tank, can you please aoe, I have had agro the last couple pulls." They get pissy and tell me to mind my own business and they'll play how they want. The rules have cultivated a playerbase of stuck up, greedy assholes pretending to be nice.

[@iceshadow625]

I have to disagree. My friend was in a dungeon where someone wasn’t doing something correctly or something that was causing issues and complaining about it to me on discord and I told him to just tell them they are messing up and to explain what to do and he was like, naw… I don’t want to get banned because someone thinks I am insulting their ability to play.

[@NarutoUzumaki-jl9hk]

Not true at all. i can tell u have never seen how badly ppl play. Actually all that did was make bad players play worse and waste other ppls time which extremely toxic.

[@kaijukilling1932]

As someone who has come from extremely toxic online games I'm still trying to get my head around how KIND people are in FFXIV Dungeons. My best friend is into Savage raids and is trying to get me to finish the game and enjoy that kind of content but there's just a mental block that I'm gonna get yelled at haha

[@ScawyFF]

Yelling can happen, mostly if you're playing with people you don't know. However it's more common for people to just get "frustrated" and quit rather than yell and start blaming. Don't be afraid of end game content though, like it's genuinely fun stuff!

[@symbolicsilence4077]

I had an issue with certain members of the mentor and novice chat on the cactuar. But aside from that one guy being a douche and getting dog piled by the rest. I haven't had any issues at all

[@tukos7370]

I was constantly berated in ffxi. Called f-word and mocked by guildmates in ventrilo voice chat. I was younger and playing with adults so I didn't understand why they were showing contempt for me. Even as I improved at playing. I was still a punching bag. So I am very much apprehensive in dungeons or when I play other online games.

[@max7971]

@@tukos7370 because you were an annoying child? Maybe that’s why?

[@kaijukilling1932]

@@Intheendyourlifeisnothing ngl, having made more friends in game and hearing/seeing the way certain people trash talk in discord made me stop wanting to play. My original comment doesn’t stand anymore unfortunately :(

[@piconio]

Once you get super familiar with all jobs, you can tell without any plugins that someone deals pathetically low dmg You just pay attention to the actions they use and enmity generation These are the things that you notice when you play a lot

[@powergi3996]

How to not get banned in FF14: Do not write ANYTHING in chat other than "hi" and "tyfp".

[@BoredDan7]

Meh, it's more just don't be a dick. You can criticize people's play so long as it's constructive and not mixed with insults.

[@SuperFUNNYKILLER]

PREACH

[@madlinkers8595]

yup dont be social people got banned for the stupidest of things and the tos is so vague be carefull

[@citizen_grub4171]

That's got nothing to do with bans, and everything to do with lots of players playing on console. If you, personally, aren't capable of chatting without getting banned for being a jerk, that may just be a skill issue.

[@Master_LaSon]

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[@lucyc776]

A large misconception people have is they look at how strict the wording of the rulings are and immediately assume it's some kind of dystopian nightmare but it's really not as not only are they not enforced unless a GM gets involved, but also a lot of the rules are quite simply don't be an ass about a situation or don't put things out there that others quite simply wouldn't want to see. If you notice someone underperforming rotationally or mechanically, you can point out their error in a calm and collected manner for constructive criticism but what you cannot do is berate, belittle, bully, or insult them for messing up or bring up DPS meters as your proof. I've told countless healers that they don't need to stand there waiting for me to be healed and can do damage or that tanks should use mitigation or even that DPS need to press buffs and high potency action buttons or even tell people what they are doing wrong in savage/extreme pf content and I have yet to see any GM intervention in several years of playing. Even if they do falsely report you to a GM, and they decide it's worth taking action, they won't ban you immediately but drag you to the backrooms and ask about the situation. It's not just a "ban on sight" ruling as it is with other games, that is unless you are a repeat offender. Parsing and mods are, as many people in the comments have pointed out, fight club rules. Don't talk about it openly in public and make sure those you do talk to about it are on the same wavelength. Also don't go publicly streaming with a huge following and display mods, that's a guaranteed way to receive a temporary ban or full ban if a repeat offender. ERP is pretty self-explanatory, not everyone needs to know about the specific acts you're doing so please keep that to private channels amd areas. Politics is only not allowed to be discussed because people get heated and it can clog a public chat for a long time with arguing for little to no benefit. It's not that they're trying to force a political agenda on you as you're fine to talk about it in private channels and even to some extent in public chat but not in a way that would obstruct public chat. It's a similar ruling to emote spam, you can be reported for blocking public chats with too many emote notifications. The only one that gets actively banned instantly is RMT - genuinely don't even entertain the idea of RMT traders, let alone actually participate in it.

[@JacketCK]

that first sentence took me out, because as you talked about how FFXIV zone chat doesn't have people arguing 24/7, I'm in Westfall, some dude is going ballistic because he got his Crabs Mage XP camp stolen by another mage (instead of just layering like the rest of us), another guy is yell spamming at some horde players, and there's a Rogue spawn camping Messenger because another dude who wanted it, talked shit to him ONCE💀

[@skulkcern]

Truly a world of warcraft

[@Hadosama]

Well you can’t talk about it in game, there are party leaders out there who will definitely kick you from a group even before it begins if they check your logs and don’t like what they see. That toxicity definitely still happens, they’re just more subtle about it.

[@pnksmigge5324]

good

[@zeerodown1887]

I mean, they don’t check your logs if you are running a casual content….but if you join a PF for a savage/ult…. well it’s seems logic to me checking how good you are at this game and if you are or not a dead weight for other 7 ppl…

[@alexmaganda5827]

this is untrue simply ive never seen this in savage someone getting kicked for their logs maybe its an na or jp thing but in eu this does not happen if ppl wanna log they usually make a log group anyone that does that is just silly but you should defo be able to carry your weight or you are simply not gonna hit the dps check thats all that matters Also this bothers me about the devs of ff14 they have dps checks but parsers are not allowed make it make sense

[@madlinkers8595]

ikick if i see someone with 20 grey clear with no improvement im not there to carry people and i know others who does it

[@o.s.95]

yeah and i got a few banned for doing that so they can suck on it

[@sorinsnow3232]

id like to note about #6, that its specifically being excessively rude, if youre giving the same info but as constructive critisism in a calm, collected, and helpful manner, even if its the same thought that makes ppl in other games scream about doing this or that, it plays out very differently and wont get you in trouble

[@tickledpickle5671]

this video compressed into a few words. "Don't be a dick"

[@zenfrodo]

And "don't be an idiot". I mean, the RMT thing? WoW and other MMOs have also had rules against that since day one. How is FFXIV any different?

[@crowdemon_archives]

​@@zenfrodoit's not supposed to be any different yet here we are...

[@heronoverdose]

Final Fantasy 14 is strict but it is proof of the lesson that you will almost never regret not saying something

[@RicardoSantos-oz3uj]

True in game. But In life, the things you do not say are the most you will regret.

[@nagginsnuggets9424]

I know this is an older video but as someone who came from ESO, FFXIV is very tame. I have seen very little toxic behavior, that's not to say there wasn't light banter, but not one person was just flat out rude. As a sprout I've never heard any disparaging remarks towards anyone, I've seen people apologize in chat and the higher levels are very cool, they realize you are new and will help you with mechs or just say not to worry about it. I've even seen some blame themselves for not healing or missing a taunt t. Amazing community for real

[@idowhatiwant3557]

Best way to not get banned, don't stream with add ons. Don't talk to other players. Done.

[@izzydarkhart4144]

Although the TOS is very strict, do not let that discharge you as most FCs are pretty relaxed and chill and you will have no problem finding one that fits you. Also, people will DPS check in higher end content, but that is kind of to be expected, and you will probably be fine by then and not have to worry as FFXIV is not the most challenging MMO out there.

[@crowdemon_archives]

Plus, DPS check is a good way to make sure I'm doing stuff right tbh.

[@PurpleStar22]

It does seem strict, but honestly it's nice to be given good advice on my job/class when I'm having trouble in a dungeon rather then just being called a piece of shit. I've learned more because of it. It's all about respect and knowing some people may still be getting used to the game. The other day I was doing the MSQ daily, and we had a sprout healer. We kept wiping because it turns out the healer was using a low level weapon then what they should have been using (i.e., thier heals were just not enough). We got through after we got a new tank (the first had to go, but was still polite), which happened to be Warrior, so self heals. Afterwards I let the healer know that they really should upgrade their weapon so they can do bigger heals, and they thanked me for the advice. There was no arguing, no name calling, no beef; we got though it, and a newbie player was not treated like shit.

[@blackcitadel9]

I've been playing since ARR, Back then the rules weren't all that strict, with the exception of RMT. Nowadays I've noticed very few people talk openly as much as they used to. Groups have become much more insular as SE decided to "toughen up" the rules and enforce with more strictness. Bear in mind, that everyone was generally polite and civil to one another before this, so why SE decided to implement the policy at all was a subject of debate on the forums. Though I'll admit, that's from my PoV. I saw the odd Karen or weirdo, but usually most people were kind, helpful and considerate so even now I'm left wondering.

[@shaece798]

Prevention, there's lots of people and you never know what mentality they have, when I started learning gunbreaker for the first time in a certain server I was getting ridiculed so often in each dungeon / trial / raids... not even the hardcore content for small mistakes had a healer in my team for a nier raid over alliance chat apologizing for their tank (me) being a idiot who doesn't know how to do my job, then I remember trying to run from the group during a tank buster but the same healer decided to keep running in the same direction as me while trying to run away and got hit by it so proceeded to ask if I was a retard, I didn't reply throughout the whole encounter but that was my norm until I paid for a server transfer, if i hadn't transferred and found a better environment I probably would have quit the game.

[@ainsart]

@@shaece798 That's horrible. Would you mind saying what server it was? I've literally never seen someone in Alliance use the R slur in my data centre and am ready to transfer if I'm in the one that you were in.

[@eW91dHViZSBpcyBjZW5zb3JzaGlw]

@@shaece798 i know that feel. i got kicked from syrcus tower in a JP server because the healer kept rescue spamming me. when i said stop via auto translate i got kicked. the conformity and toxic positivity is real!

[@Setulge]

The thing with m0dz is: talk about them ONLY with the people you trust. Plain out advertisement that you have mods is just... stupid. (Let's remember the billboard incident) Also, with rule 6, I would also add 'Don't abuse power' (this is especially true for those who are mentors): Randomly kicking a person without advice or any explanations because you just 'felt it' might get you a report from the person who got kicked out. I've already witnessed 2 mentors losing their crowns because they thought it was funny. All in all, I would say this is a very good advice video for those coming from other games that use mods and other stuff. ^^

[@Thatoneassclown]

Absolutely this, SE takes a VERY dim view of kicking people for no good reason. I was bantering with a guy and his buddy in POTD over something trivial and they decided to just kick me. Even though I had been somewhat rude back to them after they started talking shit to me, they abused the fact that it only takes 2 positive votes to kick someone to boot me. A GM got back to me within about 2 hrs of me making a report to ask about the situation, and even after I admitted to firing back at them and after the GM reading the chat log where I called one of the offending players a 'smoothbrain,' the GM still decided to punish them and not me. I didn't even get a warning.

[@Setulge]

@@Thatoneassclown I am a mentor myself but not a very active one, trying help here and there if i can actually help. I saw it happen in front of my eyes, they kicked the person right before the last boss. Wrote a report and got "We understand your frustration but you can't write a report on behalf of someone else" so, i found the person who got kicked and helped them write a report. I don't usually do that but it got my blood boiling.

[@Setulge]

@@ParidaeBorb They can. Before i was a mentor i took up WHM (I was a SCH main back then) and i kept wiping the party. I apologized, i hoped for some guidance, i even asked what i was doing wrong, no answer, they kicked me without a word. I reported them. Later, when i was a mentor, another mentor decided to look what the problem was, they explained what i was doing wrong, i learned from the experience. Then as a mentor, i witnessed how 2 mentors thought it would be funny if they kicked the person right before pulling the last boss. I wrote a report on them, "We understand your frustration but you can't write a report on behalf of someone else", found the person who got kicked, helped them to write a report, since they were streaming, the kick was "on tape". Mentors are... A box of chocolate. You really don't know what you will get. Those who just want the mount, those who are just as confused as the sprouts, those who really want to help out or something entirely else.

[@dreamshotmedia]

I think FF14 is the first RPG/MMO I haven't immediately minimized and it's great 🙏

[@leonromer567]

You feel how those strict rules make for a great environment. As a new healer all i got was good vibes and friendly chats. Always asking what you could improve on is something i always do - gives people the chance to tell you if you did fine or X was bad.

[@eivarden]

Got banned because my search comment said my jobs, and that im interested in Extreme Raid Progression. But even a joke about the letters used in "ERP" was enough to get a ban, despite not being about actual ERP. (For clarification, ive never ERPed, nor did i talk about ERP in any way. nor did anyone ask me, thinking i was referencing ERP. but it was enough to get banned. I also hadnt played the game in half a year, wasnt in any FCs, etc. So for SE to ban me, they were digging through characters, and stumbled upon my search comment, deleted it, and banned me for a few days, giving me 1 strike)

[@tymoore2117]

How cause ive seen enough adeventure cards state erp in their search. Like its not even funny.

[@StillMuzan]

Half Balmung has ERP in their search comments, and in the almost 4 years that I have been playing there not one soul has been banned for it. II'm sorry that it happened to you buddy, that was very unfortunate x.x

[@corbenikgaming7688]

Yeah, most the time if the entire group ends of wiping over and over again, and it always seems to be the fault of a particular person I’ll stick it out for the first few attempts but if it starts to become a consistent problem over a very short period of time I’ll pretty much just Leave the mission and spare myself the headache and time.

[@Noki_Kelevra]

Honestly, if I and/or the rest of the party give advice about how to objectively do stuff better - such suggesting equipping a job crystal to a lv43 thaumaturge - and they ignore the advice, causing us to continue wiping or progressing very slowly, I'll just vote kick. It's not worth the hassle if they're not open to suggestions and trying to improve their play. It's not only holding them back, but also 3, 7 or 23 other players that could do something more productive with their time.

[@crowdemon_archives]

In those circumstances, vote kick or leaving the instance is the way to go if you didn't have stuff like "1 food no [mechanic milestone] = disband" before.

[@tymoore2117]

​@Noki_Kelevra tbf was a lvl 40 conjurer before being a whm due to lvled through everything before getting main story unlocked far enough.

[@omni0246]

I think the biggest difference is that they ask you not to be a douche or you get banned. That is a godsend for people like me as I have to struggle with doing things one handed, so I'm not always quick enough to do the type of damage that people want.

[@mas8705]

I’ve enjoyed my time in FF14. Everyone has been friendly and even when I make mistakes, players are kind enough to explain what to do. Hell, I had an accidental disconnect and when I got back in, one player followed up with me because they thought I disconnected because they thought was bullied. This game really has been something else.

[@kaishia_sai]

Usually what I do when I get party up with a sprout, when I notice if we are wiping a few times I would offer to give advice, if they say they are fine then I would stop there. I would only give advice if they are asking for it. If they problem persists I would be the one who adjust instead. Rather than paying half attention to my rotations would actually play how I was in savage content

[@ninponighthawk]

This is painfully accurate. ask if there are questions...none? okay then. 2 more wipes? alright well guess its time for pots food and that back pack to carry the group to a clear.

[@RicardoSantos-oz3uj]

Yup, specially healers, plenty of times I had to go one group at a time instead of Wall to Wall. Some say that they are wasting time. But If your time is that important. Then why the heck are you playing a game?

[@HatefulBarista]

Also, I know that there’s a warning about it, but my partner had “shit” in their retainers name and the next day he had a warning and had to rename his retainer.

[@pikachulovable]

I’ve never had anyone be rude to me in ESO but I’ve definitely overheard people fighting on public chat haha.

[@KatyaKit216]

Someone reported me because I said a mech was for tanks only and they got offended by it, lol. I was like wtf?

[@AiurJordan]

honestly as someone who played wow for 10 years and just came to ff I didn't know this stuff, probably saved me a temporary suspension lol

[@Infectedjohn]

The "don't talk about mods" is not really as severe as this video makes it look, you can talk about cosmetic/utility mods in chat and not get suspended at all. However ,talking about raiding mods/DPS meters and being reported will result in a warning/suspesion as well as using those on stream.

[@Zakon673]

You don't need to be as paranoid as this video makes it sound. I promise. People aren't itching to report you for no reason. The only real thing to keep in mind is don't talk about mods, if you use DPS meters don't use them to criticize people, and if you're having a problem with another player it's better to just keep it to yourself instead of getting into a fight with them. If they're being an ass then blacklist and maybe report them and move on. To give some perspective, one of the two times I've ever had to report someone in this game (been playing since ARR) was in Stormblood. We were trying to farm Byakko and our tank was folding like wet tissue paper while yelling at us for sucking and talking about how his DPS was higher than some of our group. After reporting him, the GM contacted us for more information, and only seemed really concerned that he was talking about his DPS numbers which indicated he was using a DPS meter, and less concerned about how the guy was being a jerk.

[@Tobeh]

@@Infectedjohn All it takes is 1 person to report you for talking about it and so generally not worth it if you are in a populated area. If you are in your home or apartment or no one is within range to see your messages, no, they don't comb messages for talk of mods.

[@user-mq8wy9vg3l]

Please don't listen to people telling you its okay to talk about it openly in chat lmao. At the end of the day, it's your account you risk when you do that, not theirs.

[@chelsthegameruiner8669]

God I had someone genuinely obsessed with my character back on Balmung. They came off as sweet at first until they found out I was a hyur, then they started asking to "accompany" me at their apartment. It eventually got to a point where they'd message me everytime they saw me until I finally moved to Halicarnassus. I miss how social Balmung was but I don't miss essentially being stalked by that player

[@huey515]

Did they get banned or reported?

[@chelsthegameruiner8669]

@@huey515 I think they quit the game, honestly. I haven't seen them in ages

[@nickeling2776]

Don't forget that there is a blocklist. You can also report this player. But it often helps to tell him that his behavior is uncomfortable. I've been playing FF14 for many years and I can tell you that fortunately such behavior is very rare.

[@YouTubeChillZone]

Just use blacklist 🤦

[@max7971]

@@KZbinChillZone that’s what I say to people who cry about “toxicity” in other games

[@EpicLPer]

Someone literally submitted this audio to the Steam Deck plugin "Game Theme Music" and I was so confused at first

[@mr.gamergears995]

I love mmo's and sitting down to play some games is great, but when you're being insulted and called names while you're just trying to enjoy the game, it is stupid thats why i whiched from ESO to FFXIV cause i have less stress and i feel safe to f up on a boss or mentors can help you if needed.Yeah no trash talk and being called trash,yeet that out the window plus people work all day and have to deal with there boss they dont need your judgements.

[@Raz-iw6fj]

Shame all devs don’t uphold their TOS like this. Had someone stalk me in ESO for weeks, sending me death threats, then getting other people to send me messages after I blocked them. Reported them several times but Zenimax did nothing

[@amcho6776]

What did you do to that guy ?

[@0DanteMayCry0]

​@@amcho6776nothing. He writing a comment under KZbin video my man

[@Silidirian]

"There's no way to track dps without mods" is an incorrect statement. Whilst you cannot get numbers, there is still a very clear indicator as to if someone is doing DPS or just sitting there only auto attacking (if that), and it's the enmity list. You have someone not even being registered by a mobs enmity? They're not attacking so yeah, you can call someone out for just AFKing through a dungeon as it negatively effects everyone by forcing them to carry an unwilling participant through. Of course don't harass people for low dps, but use as a general guide to maybe help and give tips, or catch those actively harming a party experience

[@max7971]

Ok, you are 5/8 on enmity list, what’s your dps? It’s impossible to get real numbers w/o addons simple as.

[@MarthSR]

Don't bother calling them out; they'll twist that in a report against you. When that happens, votekick (and even report) for non-participation to duty. That is a perfectly valid reason.

[@PowerSynopsis]

I've only been playing for a few days and I can already tell that the player base is a lot less toxic than what I experienced in WoW so long ago. I hope my opinion of you people doesn't take a turn for the worse :)

[@rizilla23]

Yeah, I'm currently FT and just playing this game like a month ago, and I was surprised because the community in this game is so kind and helpful compared to other MMOs I've played so far. Ofc sometimes I found toxic players but not that really toxic if you compare them with other players from other MMOs.

[@Raven_Frame]

There's this sense of false positivity I find in or around the community that kind of rubs me the wrong way, and I guess this is the source of it.

[@Narniak69]

Similar effect as the Chinese social credit score. Creates fake people with fake personalities. Perfect for clown world 2023 I guess.

[@MalcomMalediction]

@@Narniak69 sounds a lot like Reddit lol.

[@kelvinmcgahee7549]

False positivity? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Hugo-MTX96]

you can totally track dps without mods, it's called the aggro table on the party list.

[@crowdemon_archives]

The mod free option, yea. ACT is for a more detailed log if you're into that sort of thing. Otherwise it's... Not really a requirement though.

[@max7971]

Ok, genius, here’s a riddle for you: A dragoon is 4/8th on enmity meter. What’s his dps?

[@Hugo-MTX96]

@@max7971 well genius minus the tanks, and healers who are overhealing you can see if you're doing higher dps than the other dps your party, I didn't say EXACT dps now did I? you still track how you're doing compared to other dps in your party monkey for brains.

[@davidmills7046]

First time playing mmo and FFxiv. Looks like I picked the right game. The community is awesome. Someone is teaching me the is and outs of the game and putting up with me being so new it's amazing.

[@Hi_howrudoin]

Track dps. So you dont become a burden to others. I really hate when people saying tracking dps is cheating. It is not. You use act dps meter for self improvement. Just please dont be mean and shout in chat saying:”hey [whoever] your dps sucks c’mon” Now that is cancerous. My personal stance is xivalexander to reduce lag impact, and dps meter from ACT. While people all have their benchmark, as long as you are not CHEATING like the moon meme, and literally roasting others with ACT you are fine. Some people like to not using ACT at all, some like to have it just for data analysis. Most of the act users are only dps bar. Stuff like cactbot is a personal NO for me because it tells you upcoming mechanics and how to do it, I think?

[@digijune5323]

Im new to ffxiv, and got taught the ropes by a friend. he has touched on these rules and etiquette and I was always surprised how positive it is. I just came here to get the full explanation behind his words. Been loving the game and Im recovering from Competitive game toxicity thanks to the unheated vibes of the party

[@countrifried]

I like how nice everyone is. Honestly, after playing cod for so long and switching to the MMO world I’ve seriously enjoyed the lack of toxicity in this game.

[@moxiesaint-clare4257]

I've had enough toxicity to last more than one lifetime. I don't care what square enix does. My text box is disabled, invites are turned off, status set to private, try to ignore the existence of others. My world is complete.😁

[@JanderStrahd]

And if anyone is nervous now about how strict these rules are, I've been playing since Legacy (before A Realm Reborn), and I've only heard of two people being suspended (other than for RMT), and it was for spamming slurs in Novice Network and @ing people by name in (effectively global) chat and swearing at them for no reason; if someone in your party or in private felt it necessary to report something you said, as long as it wasn't blatant abuse or anything, they usually give you an opportunity to talk it out and see if you can both agree to drop the issue.

[@vanityposh6348]

I wish I would’ve saw this video yesterday. I ran across a very very rude player in the dungeon with me. My one month trial isn’t even up yet, so my technique isn’t perfect. He was supposed to be a healer and instead of healing he kept criticizing my technique telling me why I was dying and fussing at me the whole time. I ended up cussing him out. Now I’ll probably be the one to get suspended.

[@GamingRobioto]

I just turn off party chat at that point. If it's really bad I just leave the instance. I play FFXIV to relax, not deal with morons. I've had the odd tank be extremely rude to me as a healer, even if I'm doing nothing wrong, it's very rare, but it does happen sometimes.

[@vanityposh6348]

@@GamingRobioto I need to figure out how to turn off the chat. Yes I'm still going strong and I am no longer a sprout. I do have a new respect for healers. I already know that job is harder than being a tank. I just don't like when they have the God complex.

[@_Enygma_]

So, you died repeatedly, you refused to listen to advice, you refused to listen to how to play the job correctly, then you cussed the guy out because he was just trying to help you. And you think they were the problem in this story? lol.

[@vanityposh6348]

@@_Enygma_ excuse me were you in there? There is a way to help somebody without being a total and complete a$$hole to them! He was cussed out because he was an a$$hole. People like you do not make the game fun.

[@apaleguy]

My favorite part of this community is we defeat the defeatist mentality quick because at the end of the day we just want everyone to have fun as well. When someone says, "Hey sorry I'm a sprout I suck." it's always immediately met with, "We all had the leaf at one point if you have any questions please ask." The only time I've seen toxic mentality was old pvp and they removed chat for that reason and for higher ranked content but even then you're more than likely doing that with your friends.

[@Veladus]

SE: It's bannable to shame people about their DPS. Also SE: LOL, enrage mechanics are fun

[@toxiclunch]

To be honest, it seems like many new players (especially console players) do not know how to use the report player system because it’s kinda deep in the menus. You’ll probably be fine to talk about whatever.

[@XUIW]

It’s the fact that if someone actually knows *exactly* how much damage you’re doing is immediately setting themselves up to be banned. You can report someone saying the lines of “Yeah, I am doing more damage than you because I can see that using a parse.” Will shut down their account. Even if you stream parsing you are putting your account in danger it’s better to just not use any third-party tools. There is a enemy aggro meter in game that already shows how much you’re pulling your weight. Though, it’s not the best or accurate it at least somewhat show your performance.

[@Tobeh]

If the little agro bar next to my name isn't yellow it means I'm not hitting hard enough >:O

[@HaddaClu]

lol I wish the other Samurai that was in the Qitana Ravel with me last night would have realized that. Guy stay at the #4 spot the entire run but kept trying to tell me how to play and "do better dps" when I was #2 all the way through except for when the healer occasionally bumped up from 3 - not to mention he died multiple times that run.

[@Shiruvi]

ok i was definitely about to start asking around ingame about mods that change the map UI so ty for that warning. level 18 marauder, it's alright so far. will say though i'm actually MORE nervous about starting group content with ff14 than i was with wow. everyone talking about how positive everything is feels a bit... i don't want to say 'fake', but i will say it's setting expectations a bit high. people are people and even the nicest person can be having an off day and maybe be a bit more snippy and impatient than they would be otherwise, perhaps not even realising it themselves how they're coming across. as an autistic person who struggles with tone over text, i also worry that what i think is helpful and light-hearted advice might not come across that way to others, especially if they're upset with themselves for failing at something, or that i myself might read someone's message in an unintended negative light if i'm the one struggling.

[@MarthSR]

Well I think everyone in the player base knows that their snippy day could be their last day too. So I wouldn't worry too much. And what you illustrate isn't the likeliest of scenarios. Not saying it's impossible, but its likelihood isn't exactly high.

[@karmaspcs]

3:43 thats a lie. there are tons of toxic ppl in ffxiv. just a very few talk open in chat. the rest just do it over guild and linkshell chat

[@eW91dHViZSBpcyBjZW5zb3JzaGlw]

this can confirm. people do it on the sly.

[@godofm3tal1]

The way it should be. Speak freely. People who can't handle that shouldn't be on the Internet to begin with. But if they can't bring themselves to stay off of mmos with rice paper emotions, the game does give them the option to mute chat.

[@kazzakyle5010]

@@godofm3tal1why can’t people just not be assholes instead? Is it really that hard?

[@venti9925]

​@@kazzakyle5010It's easy to be kind. Just like it's easy to watch a guide. You do your job we do ours :3

[@MarthSR]

However, they're still at risk by doing so on FC chat. One would still go out of their way and report over FC chat, and that would be taken the same way as if it was any other chat. Source: I saw it happen. Bunch of FC head-honchos getting suspended for language.

[@shakeweller]

If you get into raiding there's no way around fflogs, every static above casual level will have someone that logs and the whole group will usually use it to improve. It's a thing that exists and if you don't want it, you have to literally make a group specifically mentioning you avoid it. Honestly I'm even thinking if I've ever done a normal mode or alliance raid run that hasn't been logged by someone.

[@BoredDan7]

You'd be hard pressed to find even a casual group with no one logging. It's just a useful tool. Most people aren't logging to parse (though almost anyone logging still checks their parses for fun), they are logging to get useful info for evaluation. What did people die to, how above or below the dps check are we, are buffs staying aligned, what does xivanalysis say we can do better on, where is there too much healing, where is there not enough, etc. When doing savage performance matters because dps checks are a thing. Even with early fights where dps checks are pretty loose, having better dps allows for more deaths and mistakes. Honestly at the end of the day logging just makes raiding a more enjoyable experience imho as it gives you the info to actually understand what is going right or wrong and allows you to actually make informed decisions on how to improve.

[@shakeweller]

@@BoredDan7 exactly

[@MrAngryMonkey100]

@@BoredDan7 It's also a TOS violation as well as it is a 3rd party tool so please don't justify you cheating to get others to hop on and ruin it for actual players. The less skillful players use it if your god you dont need it.

[@BoredDan7]

@@MrAngryMonkey100 Cope.

[@MrAngryMonkey100]

@@BoredDan7 use your adult words and not some meatsack with 0 IQ

[@SuperFUNNYKILLER]

If u turn of the option that writes the emote ur doing in chat can u potentially dodge s Ban for inappropriate gestures since devs can't really track what emote was used ?

[@pighog3913]

What inappropriate gestures can you do in this game?

[@extinctbaryonyx]

@@pighog3913 the one that simulates humping by pressing it over and over.

[@timhawley69]

Update a year after lol I recently started playing final fantasy XIV the first FC I joined had a toxic guild leader that attempted to give me and my friend items and gil so she could use us and thought that would make us loyal to her. When we eventually left that FC I blacklisted her as she had been extremely toxic to us. My friend however did not blacklist her and the guild leader then sent my friend letters saying that we were the cause of her depression and life problems because we left. Honestly most of the toxic individuals I run into are mentors or tanks that refused to work with their groups and just start telling everybody how to play because they think you're doing it wrong with no critical advice. I had a tank that was attempting to pull six groups and was getting mad at me because I could not heal that. They then proceeded to tell me how to do the healer role as if I had no clue what I was doing. A lot of people that I have met are not extremely toxic but the toxic people make the online experience utterly unenjoyable. I haven't quit playing I still play everyday I honestly wish the report system was more user friendly as it's quite off putting for everything you have to do were other games have a more robust reporting system but it is also greatly easier to use

[@MarthSR]

"I had a tank that was attempting to pull six groups and was getting mad at me because I could not heal that." That tank is an idiot. I do wall-to-wall pulls, even when not supposed to, because I am a speedrunner. However, I know that if those high risk pulls fail, it's 1000% my fault, and I do them because I know I can pull them off. Healer is NOT responsible for my madness. 🤣 So yeah, a tank who does that sort of crazy stuff has only themselves to blame if ish hits the fan.

[@lychee2ndsworkshop959]

TLDR：Don't be an asshole

[@theequalizer694]

most vague shit ever

[@vict632]

You can get a read of you party members' dps by looking at their aggro number on the party list. A = has the current target's aggro, 1-8 is each member's aggro placement. For example is the tank dies, whoever was #1 will get the aggro and change to A. It's only a broad read since tanks and healers and even dps that can heal will generare extra aggro on top of their damage. Its the only way to tell who is contributing the most to the dps, without any mods. Useful for stuff like choosing the optimal dance partner. Do not use this information to harass anyone tho, even if your melee dps is dealing less dmg than your healer, well what can you do. Maybe politely tell them to get appropiate tomestone gear? But better not risk it.

[@tataladdd4251]

“better not risk it” i think it is so ridiculous that telling someone they should improve their gear by just getting the basic tomestone gear is a risk that people would avoid to not get banned. big reason why the community gets way under my skin despite me loving the game.

[@vict632]

@@tataladdd4251 Yeah I agree. And when I say not to risk it, I'm speaking from experience... from telling a tank to please pull more mobs, to trying to communicate that hey, you might be kinda undergeared there. Those type of players either completely ignore you or they get all defensive about and an argument ensues. So nowadays I just don't say anything 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@BoredDan7]

@@tataladdd4251 ​ Nah, people who say "better not risk it" are either being waaay to cautious or are not able to word things without being toxic. If someone is under geared telling them there is an easy source of better gear WILL NOT get you banned unless you are being an asshole about it.

[@BoredDan7]

@@vict632 At the end of the day it takes two to argue. Give your advice as politely as possible, and if they are the type of person to take offence at polite criticism or suggestions then just politely move on.

[@ninponighthawk]

@@tataladdd4251 this is semi incorrect. a lot and by a lot I mean 99% of it, is delivery. "Hey friend, I noticed that your gear is a little behind, if you want, after this run id be happy to show you where to get some better gear that'll help you out in dungeons." is infinitely better than "Hey X why are you so under geared?" one will not get you banned and the other will at least get you a message from a gm asking you to be nice.

[@hunara.]

#6 is WAY bigger than you might think. I was gaslit and tormented in a random party once and when I went off in reaction, I got suspended for 3 days because they reported me (after egging me on) it felt really unfair. I have since, turned off Party Chat from my chat window and only talk to my FC and friends.

[@litchtheshinigami8936]

i mean honestly personally this just seems like common decency stuff. like personally i really like that they are very tight on this stuff because it just makes things so much more enjoyable for everyone overall. and if someone is kind to you you are also more likely to be kind back. it's honestly a breath of fresh air to not see a teammate flaming another just because they disagree with their playstyle like i often see in other games i sometimes play. the amount of times i've seen people tell teammates to "just uninstall" in games such as Smite is absolutely insane. change that attitude for one more akin to "hey i see you are struggling with xyz mechanic here are some tips on how to improve" it keeps the game fun and allows others to improve instead of just putting them down (when 9 out of 10 times it's not even their fault to begin with)

[@Siinwu]

1 that wasn't mentioned, don't AFK or not killing mobs in a duty, it is against the TOS not participating, sadly see a lot of afkers or they press 1 button (auto clicker 3rd party) its rude and disrespectful. Yes running to the zone wall and wait for others killing the mobs and not doing anything also the same, I've lost count how many got a few days ban for these.

[@Bubbins]

Thankfully I don't think I've ever seen that one. But a good tip nonetheless!

[@Zakon673]

Did you say you needed to go AFK for a sec? I don't think I've ever been in a dungeon group that got mad at someone for saying that. Some keep clearing anyway if it's just 1 of the 2 DPS. On the other hand if you just went in and AFKed out of nowhere and then you were gone for a long time I could see it. Especially if there's vote to dismiss protection for a bit, I can't remember if there is or not.

[@vroomzoom4206]

How do you know they got bans? The game doesn't tell you if people you report get banned.

[@Siinwu]

@@Zakon673 Not what i said, its fine to go afk for what ever reason or BRB, what i was saying is they do so while at the pc, not saying anything and alt tab out doing other things while the rest carry them. F.exam. Dunno about you, but i wouldn't wanna go to a work place and work while someone on the team just sat there all day not working and also got credit and pay for, nothing.

[@nekotranslates]

@@Zakon673 It be one thing saying "Sec" and then going to get drink, food or toilet, than to not say anything and stay away for 5-10 mins

[@vasilisvenompapadopoulos]

Btw, always look at chat. And talk. Do not ever ignore chat at least when people want to tell you something about a mechanic or something. If you troll or not answer is an easy report. Even if you are new player.

[@overdrivedrinker8284]

I try to do that as much as I can, but I often find myself hyper-focused on the boss or whatever and don’t really notice chats pop up. I just hope people know that’s not me ignoring them and it’s an honest mistake

[@rachelkelley5930]

@@overdrivedrinker8284 same with me, try turning on the sounds that go off when someone puts something in chat. Can’t remember how right now, but it is very helpful. :)

[@tarynnosaurus_rex]

As a console player, looking at chat is one thing, replying is another. It takes so much to type a message on console, it realistically can't happen until the end of an instance and usually people will leave before I send the message. Please don't just report someone for not responding, they might not have a keyboard

[@sketchypurple11]

I’m kinda new to ffxiv and still learning new stuff, so I’m very confused why not responding to a chat gets you reported??? How does that work??? I’m a very slow typer and I really struggle to type while running around(I just can’t focus on both at the same time), so I don’t reply to every chat directed at me, especially in dungeons where I can’t stand around to type. Are people really that petty about being “ignored” they’d go as far as to report someone over it?

[@ninponighthawk]

​@@sketchypurple11 less of you MUST respond in chat and more of if you see someone giving advice in chat and you continue to do a mechanic wrong or getting the party wiped, then yes you are likely to get kicked and reported. But if you dont answer a question or anything immediately than you have nothing to fear. 9/10 times when running my dailies i have my chat log hidden anyway. If you are a slow typer think about making a macro (System -> User Macros -> Select any macro you want) that has only one line and says something like. "/p I am sorry but I am a slow typer/am on console. If I dont answer right away I am sorry."

[@UnitedFan2]

I feel like some of those reporting could end up being abused, like only one report and they get suspended, like what happens if it’s a false report? Do they ban the person anyway?

[@1995HunterKiller]

so, me and my bf were fighting the emperor at the end of the final base game dungeon and had to re-do the boss 3 times because we were not killing the clones quickly enough to stop the boss from party whiping us with his charged attack. i got annoyed and wrote "focus on the clones. its just a god damn dps check" could that get me banned? i dont use mods in multiplayer games out of principle

[@venti9925]

Nope. If reported, game master will give you a warning if you're respectful. I got reported once, for calling out an adult preying on kids.

[@dragonhearthx8369]

Some of this is misleading. For example, if a tank is not doing his job by pulling agrro, then you can tell him off. Just saybit politely

[@MarthSR]

Gotta keep in mind that it's a matter of perception from the person that is being told off. If they decide it's toxic to them, and that it CAN be interpreted as being toxic, you'd still risk getting the hammer. However, if you cover all your bases, nothing will come from overzealous reports. So "saying it politely" can be done, but you have to make sure you verbalize it while directing the issue towards the player as least as possible. Or, point out what seems to be amiss rather than telling them "Hey, you're doing it wrong". Low-level example: "Looks like the mobs aren't sticking to you. They would most likely do by using 'overpower' instead of single attacks a few times. Just to make sure they're not all over the place." Or, when I got started as WAR, I've been told: "I saw you were using your mit and still died on that pull. But tell me, do you have 'Raw intuition' in your skills? Maybe that can help!" And that's how I learned about that skill and became better.

[@andrewdesalvatore7262]

#2: you can kind of track DPS via ingame methods.... if a person hasn't died at all, and is still #8 in the enmitylist; then their dmg might be shit. If someone is Accepting of critiques, I'll typically help'm out (or give'm food + gear) & tell'm about StoneSkySea. IMO, if you're able to kill dummy = your knowledge of your class is "goodenough".

[@crowdemon_archives]

Depends on their role tbh 😅 If they're red and they're below anyone with a blue or green icon, something horrendous is up that's for damn sure.

[@thecthuloser876]

@@crowdemon_archives I don't know if I'd say they need to be above blue since a lot of off-tans put their stance on after the opener and then switch it off again once they get second.

[@Klonkus]

I don't think anyone who lives in a civilization that has discovered fire should have trouble with roulettes.

[@zackthewack5639]

There are definitely still some interesting people. In my first dungeon, someone got mad at me for not knowing how to do tank stance. In another dungeon, my friend got yelled at for not going fast enough as a tank.

[@sevask8768]

When I first played FFXIV before Shadowbringer came out. I started as a Tank which is pretty rare for me since I'm more a healer/DPS in old time MMOs. Well during the time that I can do dungeons. I first found out that pulling a train of mobs (Wall-to-Wall) is the norm in this game. So I try to learn this way of tanking, but I would have party members pulling everything and kept dying. I would get sh*t talk by a healer about how bad I am as a Tank and left the party which caused the whole party to disband. Killed my mood so I changed job to a healer which I'm pretty good at. Since the duty support came out. I was able to progress my tank job. Gotten the idea on the whole W2W pulling, but once I hit 60. That's where the support has stopped. So not to long ago I figure to give it another go with players. Nah got wipe by the W2W lol. I guess it's confirm I just cant W2W tank in this game and just keep the Tanking more for the duty/trust support lol.

[@Noki_Kelevra]

@@sevask8768 There's a few things to consider when it comes to tanking, especially w2w. 1. Is the tank's rotation at least viable? 2. Is the tank's gear viable? (Shouldn't matter too much because of level sync, but CAN make a difference) 3. Is the healer on top of things? (Both concerning healing and doing damage) 4. Are the DPS clearing the pull quickly enough? If you don't pace your mitigation (blow them in such a way everything's on CD during the pull), don't USE your mitigation in the first place, don't contribute enough damage or still rock your lv 30 gear? It might be a 'you' issue. But if you're sure you are on top of those things, it's a party issue. Especially when tanking w2w there's deaths/wipes you just can't avoid. Healer slept on a clutch heal for just a single GCD. DPS fucked up their rotation, buff uptime was subpar, mobs didn't get cleared fast enough. All of these can cause a wipe. It's not always your fault. Although, if you're unsure, pull 2 or 3 packs to start with. Just don't chain pull (pull next pack while one is still engaged, at least in anything above ARR) and don't pull single packs. And last but not least, as a mentor and healer main (with tank as second choice), you wouldn't believe the healing atrocities I've seen. The Cure I spam. Healer standing around doing nothing until the tank is damaged. Astrologians running out of MP.

[@kyoko-kokoro]

I feel like I learned more about how to be an eso player from this video. Rather than anything else

[@pyn_rae]

just be careful because if u plan on doing content such as ultimates, more so current ults and u join a hardcore static u will be dps checked by ur static members

[@peger]

TBH this is to be expected

[@belphegor_tv]

That goes without saying.

[@pyn_rae]

@@belphegor_tv u would be surprised how many ppl ive seen try to join hardcore statics with bad parses and complain when they dont get let in

[@johnnymartinjohansen]

I love these rules. This is the ONLY mmo I've played where I'm actually enjoying harder group contents, because there is no bitching, no elitists bragging about their dps, etc. Imo, it's a little funny that people in this game doesn't call new players noobs or newbies, they're called sprouts :)

[@keremenver2503]

The eso vs ffonline comparison is great! I moved to ffonline from eso. Ffonline brings everything to table wished in eso for years

[@eW91dHViZSBpcyBjZW5zb3JzaGlw]

FF14s biggest problem is toxic positivity. Negativity can be used to constructively inform and help someone but very few people can take constructive criticism without getting assblasted. Thats why my chat is completely disabled via plug-ins.

[@TKMezo]

I've been trying to spread this around, in a very backhanded way in chat all the time. FF players are like people on reddit where criticism is an attack. People will defend FF 14 and its very questionable pricing and content to no end.

[@devinrussell59]

Please, you can constructively inform someone about mechanics and what they need to be doing without negativity.

[@librarian8869]

@@devinrussell59 Exactly! There is no need at all. And more often than not it's just going to breed more negativity. But for some people that's all they know and they can't live without it. I have easily explained mechanics and given advice without being a jerk about it. In the end I either got a thanks, a fun conversation or even a friend request. It's usually the approach that makes a difference.

[@Baldur452]

You can give constructive feedback in FF14 to players. Most humans aren't able to write constructive criticism though.

[@pharohphox7829]

One thing I have seen that falls under the "Don't be rude" category that is generally accepted in other MMO's is pulling when others are in a cut scene. Sometimes you are moving along quickly and it is an accident (this is usually acceptable if you apologize) but what I have seen is the "it doesn't matter, it is only a dps" response. According to Square Enix, story is paramount and this is a bannable offense. Moral of the story, if you are in such a hurry to do these and can't be patient, then this probably isn't the game for you.

[@Narniak69]

Yup, as a new Sprout of only 2 weeks, very rarely has the group actually waited for my cutscene. Add that to the list of stuff this video is wrong about when painting the FF14 players as saints.

[@crowdemon_archives]

​@@Narniak69in JP DCs, players will actually wait for cutscene viewers lol. Myself included. Unless I forgot the aggro range of a specific boss, I will usually wait for the players to be ready either way.

[@DavidPereiraLima123]

I hated this back in the OG Lich King. I'm glad some of the FF crowd will let me finish the damn "movie"

[@MahouSoju]

I mean, #6 really is only partially true. I had an issue with an extremely sexually inappropriate guy in Mentor Chat that made it so toxic that newbies begged to be told how to leave it. I reported him and nothing happened. I was even told by people in the chat that he’s been suspended many times and just comes back. You can kick someone from Mentor chat but you have to explain why, it then gets sent to the person and everyone else in chat, and they can veto you, which they told me they would because they liked him. It’s actually fairly hard to get mods to do anything about bad behavior. The game certainly isn’t filled with gross and toxic people, but they do find homes in the game and when they do, they often become so ingrained that removing YOURSELF is the only real way to avoid them.

[@brandolf6753]

Uldah has the most insane conversations on balmung!😂. I’m surprised nobody gets suspended or banned over there😂😂❤❤❤

[@SerenEirian]

Try Limsa on Behemoth.

[@Rystefn]

Don't cheat and don't be an asshole. Simple as.

[@snaplash]

I just ran lost city of amdapor in a roulette today. We wiped 3-4 times on trash (Huge pulls). No one complained, no one dropped out. In WoW, we would have lost 1-2 players after the first wipe. Here, everyone quietly ran back and tried again. Also, in earlier dungeons, seeing someone fail to execute a mechanic and die, I've just made a general suggestion without naming anyone (If this happens, do that.)

[@fightingblind]

Toxicity does happen... its just not obvious. I had mained PLD 5.x up to 6.3 (didnt like the rework) and a lot of parties had PLD class disabled because reasons... also randomly kicked out of 8 man parties before queueing as a BLM and looked back in PF with that disabled... MCH and MNK are also ones i hear about getting ghost booted a lot...

[@rickyMFmarler]

I just wanted to echo everything that you touched on in your video. The ff14 community is definitely a community the other gaming communities should strive to be like. Coming from somebody who is a melee DPS, 1st playthrough. I can tell you that I had a tremendous amount of anxiety and nervousness about running a dungeon with other players for the first time. But everybody was really helpful, rezzed me when necessary, and showed me a few tricks to make my overall QoL better. Not just in that particular dungeon. But overall for the entire game. And just to throw out the other two games I was playing in the communities I was used to, Fortnite and Dead bye Daylight. (Just my opinion but DbD has the exact opposite type of community. Quite possibly the most toxic one I've played in)

[@mr.mystere4999]

You forgot #7!! Don't try to rush your way into the endgame. FFXIV isn't made like that. The game does not begin at max level, no. It begins as soon as you enter the Character Creator. The game has all the highs and lows that one would expect from a good story being told over time. The endgame isn't going anywhere and will be waiting for you when you arrive.

[@sixthcairn]

This. I'd say FF XIV is quite true to its name, essentially being an RPG that just happens to have extremely good multiplayer.

[@geoslavic4154]

Bad. You play how you want to play. If you want to rush into the endgame to do content then do so. You shouldn't be telling other people how to spend their money.

[@mr.mystere4999]

@@geoslavic4154 This is l i t e r a l l y what I was referring to in my post made 13 days ago. You seem to be under the impression that I was telling people how to spend their money. Correction: I said no such thing. if you had simply said "You play how you want to play." and stopped right there, I would have agreed with you 100%. My post was aimed at those who come from MMORPGs that try to herd you into the endgame at all costs and at the expense of everything else while keeping them in with scummy FOMO tactics. Sure, you can rush to any of the 5 endgames if you like, but you'll miss quite a lot of content along the way due to FFXIV not being like that.

[@xxephon1565]

@@geoslavic4154 it's a total waste to play FF14 if youre just rushing to endgame. the game doesnt have a specific endgame like most MMOs, it instead tries to appeal to lots of different people. glamour, pvp, raiding, treasure maps, mount collecting, you can do all of that from level 50 onwards. level 50 was originally end game, level 60 was, same with 70 onwards. they all have their own endgame content from their expansions. buying FF14 just to rush into level 90 content, ignoring the past 7 years of content in the game is a total waste, and theres other MMOs that appeal to that endgame-rush style better. the game's designed appeal is a story driven JRPG that just so happens to have MMO features. it's a JRPG first and an MMO second

[@DriftingCloud_23]

My personal advice as someone who rushed to end of MSQ do them blue quest along the way as a crap ton of dungeons, raids and other content is locked behind them. My end game was blue quest hunting so I could join friends on content I didn't unlock yet lmao

[@N0FoxGiven]

honestly, i kinda think FF in general just promotes positive natures. the class system means if you think someone is doing poor or you dont like the way that people are running their class you can become it and fill that slot. almost everyone has played most of the classes and can offer tips instead of the class locking most other mmos do, tips and rotations are everywhere because of this and it makes it really easy to learn new classes with just a little error. letting people know you are new is more common as it provokes more tips and help. the lack of DPS tracking means the only one worried about your damage, is you. trying to get your gear up for those big numbers you see other people hitting for, or makes it easier to recognize that each class has it's own damage scale. just love the community honestly, and i think that initial positivity has been rather infectious for most

[@max7971]

What positivity? No one talks, except for empty HI’s and occasional gg’s in the end. Just because no one tells you that you are a shitter, because you are 8th on the enmity list, doesn’t mean that no one notices, because I do :)

[@N0FoxGiven]

@max7971 I've been given millions of Gil and had honest good conversations as well as joined random dancers and bs'd with bards playing songs by screaming play wonder wall/freebird. Better yet when one actually did for the wonder wall. It's a better community than most other mmos I've played. Besides maybe idleon. But that's mostly the streamers. I've also had Dungeon groups who were more than willing to teach and help.

[@filanfyretracker]

no DPS meters is a great thing, Because in WoW the "meter maids" in groups often just had numbers but no relational idea of how a class interacts with the fight.

[@Tailionis]

I've played for a year now and been rude and called people out as well as being called out. 1000s of dungeons done. Never been banned. Just be careful but not paranoid

[@harbyandrefrancofernandez3310]

Some people think even using the "kick out" button can get u banned. xD it's not like it's there for a reason

[@Tailionis]

@@harbyandrefrancofernandez3310 I kicked someone yesterday from my pf lol. Still here

[@midnight3630]

You most probably didn’t get reported then. If you were, you would have faced the consequences.

[@Tailionis]

@Zeladene Midnight the guy didn't know how to hold aggro with tank stance on, so yeahI imagine he doesn't know how to report.

[@Inare8]

​@@harbyandrefrancofernandez3310 unjustified use of vote kick is against ToS. so if you lie using the vote kick button (for example you kick someone for not playing well, but choose harassment or afk as a reason), get reported for that, and there is evidence such as chat log proving that vote kick was unjustified, you can very much get banned

[@gaiali453]

FF14 was a complete culture shock with having almost no cancerous people. It's literally the complete opposite of DC universe online 😂

[@agathor338]

Good to know the last rule you said i saw someone conment that they lost cus of dps it was on a pvp map so i guess that means they got banned or suspended cus of that rule .Right?

[@Bubbins]

If someone reports them for it, they could be, yeah.

[@teniol4353]

From this video It seems to me that just getting reported will get you banned, wich change the game from being very open and friendly, to being a game where you just don't interact with others in fear of getting banned

[@arxeha]

don't track DPS thing is true but there is an exception, i would definitely suggest to remind especially healer to deal damage. I saw a lot of new healers to never cast a damaging spell and only healing (and some not even good at it), so you can try to remind them to at least deal any sort of damage

[@nickeling2776]

That's absolutely true, but new healers might still be a little insecure and stick with healing, because it sucks when the tank dies because the healer forgets to heal. 😆

[@Chippaization]

Also don't upload random fflogs outside of static content. You can look yourself up and see who created it and might be used report you ALSO dont post about mods or etc on social with your character info on it. they will get you there too

[@crowdemon_archives]

You can unlist/private logs though if you just want to see what the hell was going on in a specific casual run. I once put up a DR Troian run because I was wondering what my healer was doing. Turns out I scored a unicorn in that run. 😂 (never had I done a run where I was hitting Bloodwhetting on CD aggressively and ngl, it's hella fun)

[@AdriaanPretorius]

Yeah a MMORPG being played for the right reasons, and not a constant competition and p*ssing contest with your teammates.

[@mistresslenore]

To the first one....The first rule of Fight Club is: you do not talk about Fight Club