New Twitch Rules are a Bad Sign...

[@LewSpears]

2024 tour - Perth, Melbourne, Sydney + Adelaide on my site 💻 Bunch more dates coming, lewspears.com/ for current and future shows

[@remembertochangename3557]

good man. fuck brisbane

[@leesha86bris]

When you coming back to brissie again?? Still waiting for that GC show ❤

[@OB.x]

Play in Fort Worth, Play in Fort Worth, do a show there, and no one gets hurth.

[@mercamia]

Onlyfans women be pushin Twitch TOS boundaries like F1 engineers exploiting FIA rules 🗿

[@sgtjonzo]

hard fucking comment

[@rofalmatt]

Lolol nice XD

[@rodrigocativa4232]

Twitch stremers will give red bull a run for their money

[@kieran7675]

This is a brilliant comment

[@Abigart69]

If i was Twitch, I’d be a live-streaming service.

[@LewSpears]

This man has no idea how to run a live streaming service!!

[@illpunchyouintheface9094]

Nice nips bro! how much to rent them?

[@lion-o-ryan2557]

Tiwtch: A MAN showing nipples!? *Susspension, BAN and reported to autorities*

[@lodthefraud4993]

I decided to check out twitch for the first time in a thousand years to see if the news was true. The first stream under the art section had a thumbnail of an anthropomorphic dog “burying his bone” in another. I’ve been loving the commentary stuff recently! You’ve got really thought provoking takes.

[@johndeaux8815]

If I was Twitch, I'd pay an exorbitant amount to get an ambassador from Australia who is willing to dye his hair blue for the cause and has a career in comedy. Not sure if such a guy exists, but I'm sure Twitch needs it.

[@puh8825]

I think twitch made it a policy that they have to do a major fuck up every 5-6 months.

[@puh8825]

Shout out to the employees for being so good at fuckin their platform up.

[@snowman21279]

Well Lewis, if youre trying to save the house, this seems like a sign. Better get a pole installed in your garage.

[@joshuafrancis1959]

Twitch has been dwindling for years now, it went from almost having a monopoly on streaming, to begging and pleading for creators to return. Everything that’s happened to twitch has been because of themselves.

[@Djuntas]

Seems Facebook is not that big on live streaming either. The only e-sports scene I see at least ended their contracts with the 2 biggest in the space. But yes Lewis has good point; Twitch is desperate if they need the p0rn money to survive, just like Twitter that also does not make money even pre-musk.

[@InklingKirby]

the gooners are winning

[@UndeniablyPotato]

Always great to hear your take. A lot of what you're talking about sounds like a simple NSFW setting for apps/sites where adults can opt in but children can't. Provided it actually worked, it'd be great because you could use it for work too, not just based around age. If that could effectively be implemented universally then it would solve a lot of problems, but obviously nobody has worked out how yet, things are too easy to work around. The other interesting one is the following size though. You actually specify the audience size for the NSFW content creators having minor followings on other platforms, and most people don't do that. If a school teacher did one porn shoot 20 years ago, I don't think they should be blocked from that job, but actively engaging millions of kids when you're concurrently making that content, yeah that does sound like a problematic thing. It doesn't seem outlandish to say that maybe if someone is committing to a NSFW career, they are limiting themselves to that field or content style, but it sounds much like how people used to talk about tattoos, so I've got no idea what's gonna happen. It definitely seems wrong right now, but I have no idea where it's gonna go in future, and I'm curious to find out. I hope you keep making videos about this stuff too, because (at least as far as I see) nobody else is talking about this kind of thing in any amount of detail. Great content as always mate, keep it up!

[@drantigon]

8:27 "Enforcing on danced regardless of context meant our policy prohibited twerking at a wedding..." Ok. Ok. Who the fuck twerks at a wedding?

[@jahman2079]

By simply mentioning twitch in the video, the porn bots suddenly start appearing in the comments, weird.

[@DRIFTRBOI07]

Oh god💀

[@sgtjonzo]

fuck it, engagement is engagement

[@the_phantom_cat7912]

porn bots are everywhere on youtube, it has nothing to do with twitch being mentioned

[@Thornsworks]

12:45 I think youre wrong on this point Lewis. The thing that twitch has going for it currently is the community + chat experience. Emotes, emote culture and the chat system on twitch are great and streamers like Ludwig who moved to KZbin have stated that this was one of the main things that ruined the experience both for the streamer and their chat. Although sites like Kick are now seeking to emulate it. KZbin heavily lagging behind in this regard.

[@Pineapple123Gaming]

Nice to know that Mini Lad dude is still a Twitch Mod

[@backslash4141]

You should see the other guys... I hear they're still playing Gmod

[@hl2bigboss]

Thanks for this video, I legit never knew about this until you talked about it

[@youraveragebinchicken6807]

twitch fell off

[@jaceesdaile4045]

I checked after the vid, the top is kai cenat and the second was tits

[@awesomeplays9074]

Borderline illegal? Not so much. Illegal? Absolutely.

[@MattIsDecentReal]

4:49 14 and below are gen alpha now lew

[@mehemynxm6974]

This stuff has always confused me, what is even the point of hot tub streamers and whatnot? Just go watch the explicit stuff on the sites made for the shit, why go through the effort of doing it on twitch?

[@snortlaxatives]

Because there's a lot of teens on twitch who aren't on adult sites that would watch that kind of thing.

[@mehemynxm6974]

@@snortlaxatives yeah but why, practically every teen i knew when i was one, knew about porn, and where to see it. lol. And the teens afaik aren't the ones throwing money at them. It's just depressed men.

[@ForeverHobbit]

@@mehemynxm6974 i think the logic is that twitch is big enough that many people already have their payment information saved so it's easier for them to get baited into spending. Not many people make porn sites accounts. It's not rly about the age.

[@gdwe1831]

Why is it acceptable to be sexually provocative on a SFW website? These women are not victims

[@kawaiinekozombie1347]

I think the thing that frustrates me the most is that there are tons of streaming sites for porn, including nsfw art streams, but instead of going to these places built for adults these sexual streamers instead wanted to go to the globally recognized kids site. Idk like I agree with a lot of the changes but the streamers just idk gives bad vibes that they pushed for this place so hard.

[@drdigsaus]

sorry lewis. i only watched 2mins of this video....off to research twitch

[@de-ment]

As a person who used to watch twitch all the time and really participate in chat and find niche streamers, etc. I can say that the sole reason people (including myself) don't prefer twitch anymore is because of the exaggeration of ads and how a majority of adblocks don't work on the site. You get like 2 minutes of unskippable ads the second you click on a stream, said ads pause when you mute them and tab out, if you have a slower net, it buffers the ad also and the ad timer doesn't progress, at times the stream player gets stuck, forcing you to reload the page, which gets you more ads. All streamers are forced to run ads at certain intervals and they don't get a say in not wanting to run them. If twitch wanted people to not go, they would not ruin their site with all these hindrances. My favourite way to use the site is to just open every active stream in my following tab and check all of them for what's interesting but now when I do that i just get a total of 10 minutes of ads across all, and I can't just quickly check a stream if I wanna hang around, it's so difficult to use. so I don't.

[@paranova6053]

Great video and very well spoken, great job Lew!

[@Dan55888]

Those women are sewer pipes

[@gonnfishy2987]

“G’DAY CUN+S!” I miss that era of kicking off videos 😂

[@Mobik_]

OMG did you just plug your Tour Ad in the middle of your video?! THANK YOU! If not, I'll never know and some kunts may even get mad about it.

[@KYCDK]

I went on twitch a few weeks ago, my account is literally only following minecraft streamers, mostly small aussies ones I randomly find, but for some reason my homepage was full with naked chicks, I was really hoping no one was about to walk in in that split second

[@OB.x]

Lets not pretend we weren't doing this when we were 11-13.... I mean it might have taken an 30 minutes to download 3 jpgs, then print it, then another 5 minute conversation why "adult adventures entertainment" on his bill for a 99 cent charge for a trial account, that it's just Everquest or another MMO i'm doing a trial on, then take the pages I printed, in color, to sell for 5 dollars a pop alright? But difference was, I wasn't about to interact with the 100p jpg of the porn star. This is really weird what twitch is doing. If kids want to get software (edit: meant softcore lol) porn, make them work for it like I had to.

[@MisterMakerNL]

Kids have it too easy these days.

[@OB.x]

@@MisterMakerNL Right, they don't understand how hard it was for an 8 year old to get nudie mags/porn back then. Before we got net, there was this... "porn fairy". IDK who or why, but every Sunday morning, there would be VHS porn tapes in a sewer drain lol. We got in trouble b/c we thought someone dropped Star Wars in there, but it was "Star W**res" lol and we played it on the family TV.

[@andreirotenev]

Bro i was too busy grinding on RuneScape like a permavirgin, bustin nuts is xp waste quit ya generalizing

[@Atlastheyote222]

Hey twitch, you can either make your whole website 18+ or crack down on these explicit streams, you cant do both, thats literally illegal lol

[@redwiltshire1816]

Just make the internet 16+ problem solved

[@johndeaux8815]

Nah keep the family friendly stuff on Twitch. Move the 18+ streams to a second website, call it Quiver or some other more suggestive word for Twitch 😂

[@furretthefuzzynoodle3896]

@@johndeaux8815that is honest to heck, genius

[@Remls]

​@@johndeaux8815How about "Jerk"

[@tridecalogism935]

Is twitch now chaturbate?

[@xanpenguin754]

The real people whose lost out are trad western Tate bros who know have to watch twitch allow this.

[@zaner7194]

seeing you retake "but as preferable as it is" with no acknowledgment was a little spooky

[@EgbertBarber]

your vids are majestic, i really enjoyed it❤️

[@KantFromEC]

I agree that while twitch it responsible for this ridiculous rule set that exposes minors to what amounts to basically pornography It’s now also on the streamers shoulders, there’s enough conversation and backlash now to show that this is being exposed to kids and streamers who continue to do this know exactly what they’re doing and don’t care. It’s disgusting profiteering at the expense of those who can’t give consent.

[@seth2451]

I saw on twitter that morgpie, probably the most famous "almost titty" streamer was actually fully clothed during those streams, which is definitely interesting. To Lewis' point at the end about pornstars not making content for children as well, I dont think the issue is them attracting children, I think the issue the ease of access that porn currently has. It really isnt the pornstars fault that their sfw content might lead people to their nsfw content. As an example, Margot Robbie was in the Barbie movie, and she also went topless in Wolf of Wall Street, but parents wont let their kids watch Wolf of Wall Street so it's not as big a deal. She should be allowed to do both, and so should the pornstars, but that will only happen if more parents block porn websites or porn websites find better ways to prevent children from accessing them.

[@eomoran]

This is probably the best solution. Similarly with other controversial opinions where it’s still accessible but that it doesn’t get promoted. This being standardised is probably the best solution.

[@furikagi]

Any plans for a Brisbane tour? Always wanted to go to one of your shows 😊

[@LewSpears]

Def coming to Brisbane! Just locking in venues now

[@Dr.Frogerston]

I'm honestly not that surprised by how this is going. Twitch being exclusively based on live streaming really hurts it compared to other places that provide live-streaming. Even with websites like Kick, Twitch has just been super shady lately that it's definitely not that bad of an idea to switch.

[@TestIng-rf1ms]

TLDR for this video: Competition in the market is better for the people and twitch being forced to compete for viewership makes a better experience for everyone else.

[@OB.x]

Oh, one follow up question, what happens if I show D root?

[@MediumDSpeaks]

Come to Miami Lewis

[@Ligmamonkey]

It's insane how bad women are at being worthwhile to observe or interact with unless they involve their body somehow.

[@Pineapple123Gaming]

an 18+ category isn't hard to add ... OH WAIT! they did that when they where justin tv

[@yaelfeldman6965]

Massive missed opportunity to pose for the thumbnail with not shirt

[@KYCDK]

holy shit, are we gonna talk about twitch in a few years the same way we talk about vine, myspace and google+?

[@MuseofMystery]

Honestly I started streaming on Twitch 7 years ago & watching Twitch lose it's mind and changing it's policies (I like some of the change mind you) BUT it's really disheartening to see and hear that I may have picked a platform that's just declining so I'm so at a lose. Though I enjoyed watching your criticism & have more knowledge now than I did before.

[@bp56789]

This is a pretty well-thought-out position lol. How much better is your brain after surgery?

[@betternotlemmano8529]

Gotta love the set

[@actorattila]

And as of this morning twitch has now changed that rule and that now is no longer allowed. You should see their statement admitting how they don't know what they're doing. Literally they actually made that statement.

[@Lethal_Spoon]

a huge portion of 18+ sites’ traffic comes from minors

[@crayondevourer2267]

Twitch: The internet's most popular cam site

[@Jimmyvdpost]

The last point was bery interestinf, and def has me worried.

[@TheMattLuigi]

They back paddeled a day after lmao

[@Afternoon-T]

what kid actually signs up for an account with their real age lmao. When i was younger i always put my age to 18.

[@tonyg9775]

Now this begs the question: should Twitch crack down on age restriction and verification and if so, how?

[@alexnolan7382]

Wait until they find out what Mindgeek now Aylo is doing.

[@KYCDK]

if twitch just slowly starts to give more and more of their cut over time, it's currently 50/50, but if they changed it right now to 55/45 (the streamers getting 55) then in half a year change it to 60/40, then another half year 65/35, then people will start to come back to twitch because they'll see twitch is slowly increasing everyone revenue, when will they stop?

[@TheStickCollector]

Such a long fall from grace Maybe you can say it is a new world record run or something

[@Smona]

On a more serious note though, I think there's a market for adult-oriented streaming that's not necessarily sexual but also doesn't have to censor itself ("unalive" or "P.-nice" for example) and constantly be on edge avoiding words that are deemed bad for advertising. TikTok makes people write words like "seggs" or "k1!!1ng" unironically, youtube is a minefield when it comes to what you can and can't say without getting demonetized, and it often seems very arbitrary when people get demonetized, but Twitch could be something like what Elon Musk pretends Twitter has become. I hope twitch doesn't get overrun by nazis though

[@firepower345]

Huge fan Lewis, constructive criticism, I feel like this video could have been condensed down a little

[@simongames100]

nah, i like artistic freedom.

[@the_phantom_cat7912]

The stated change would be great, if they had actually implemented the changed they said they did, instead of banning people for it anyway and not actually stopping it from being put on the front page

[@Zarven1]

Does that mean no more good egg-hunts?

[@123495734]

Lewis importsnt question, whats your opinion on Döner???

[@Kyderra]

"The Creators find the boundaries, don't blame them" Is good way of thinking about it. Just allow it or don't, make an adult section Twitch and stop half ass'ing it. They are acting like a prepubescent 14 old not sure if they are allowed to look at boobies but peeking sneakily anyway. Like the kids themselfs watching these streams! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ It's funny that you are calling them "only fans streamers" when at one point Only fans banned sexual content. More proving the point of what's allowed is based on the website.

[@michaelwhitehead4276]

It absolutely is partly the thots fault. They know children are watching them. They're just too greedy to care.

[@jefferysweaty6028]

exactly

[@kyliktaylor8674]

Yes it is wholeheartedly they know and dont care your taking the responsibility out of the womens hands and putting it on the company. Everyone should be held accountable

[@No_one448]

why isn't there a twitch adpocalypse?

[@captainpine_apple_crush7147]

Im just sick of everything being porn or sex. Like I get it sells. But damn im so sick of it being in my face. Why cant OF people just have their version of an adult twitch.

[@hh-cq9lw]

When ceiling camera

[@jamiehobson6336]

I think this decision is bad, especially due to the recent policies and laws that are currently being put in place around pornography in the UK.

[@disquiet-mind]

It's so funny that even when doing something good, twitch admins can't help but make it obvious that it's only for their own drooling benefit. Only saying that female-presenting nudity is allowed lmao so if a male-presenting person wanted to do similar content would they not be allowed to?

[@MrUltimategamer44]

Yooo does Lewis player warhammer? I seen a Leman russ tank

[@CryptoTonight9393]

The Art category is awash with nude furry art streams

[@najkiyy]

BUFFED FURRY MEN WE GOT IT BOIIIS finally the twitch sex update

[@ForeverHobbit]

idk how they are pushing any boundaries tbh. Twitch ToS banned no shirt streams for a while but they simply didn't ban everyone that streamed topless because in the end, once you are reported an admin will decide. So it's not so much that they pushed boundaries it's just that the admins are inconsistent as fuck and there is a lot of "i know this guy" that many people don't know (which also helps you get better revenue share). It's true that they are allowing that shit for money now but saying that they girl streamers with boobs out were smart about the ToS isn't really true. They are just betting on making enough money for twitch to be kept in. Which is the same thing many streamers did when streaming on other simul-cast wasn't allowed, some people still did cuz twitch wouldn't try to ban them.

[@friendlypotato7950]

I feel this is gonna lead to a similar thing to what happened with Tumblr and Twitter where advertisers start pulling out due to allowing this policy

[@jameshunt4097]

Who else is sick and tired of OF??

[@u8qu1tis]

"I don't have a problem with sex work in general." Proceeds to explain why he has a problem with sex work in general.

[@HankGreenburg]

Listening to someone who doesn't have an objective standard for morality talk about what is and isn't morally acceptable is pretty funny.

[@jorder]

the art category is literally just porn now 😂

[@colinrogers9896]

And thus vtubers were born

[@borli7367]

I don't mean to take sides and maybe I gathered data on bad timing. However, at said moment degenerate live streams amounted to approximately 2-3% of other popular categories combined ("Just chatting" + top 7 games), obviously excluding the firstly mentioned type of livestreams. Therefore, I don't see how Twitch is desperate for this kind of live streams and how exactly the company needs it in order to survive. The way I see it is that Twitch tried to give these degens more freedom in terms of exercising their right to stream in exchange for less discoverability. Regardless, I still think the problem won't be solved until this kind of content is explicitly separated from sfw streams, and as for the future image of Twitch we'll just have to wait and see, however I doubt the possibility of it being known for smt else than nerds playing video games.

[@Djuntas]

I just dont want porn on Twitch, find it weird. But then again I also dont use Twitch so ehh.

[@LogieT2K]

Good for twitch Absolutely horrendous for the future of our species

[@elizabethhalkett]

Twitch is owned by Amazon. They can afford lower watch numbers...

[@marriedratmarriedrat2350]

I need a hug lol

[@cluckendip]

there wasn't constant switching between your seven camera setup so i wasn't paying attention to anything you were saying sorry

[@woodchuck003]

I disagree that this is a good move in regards to age gating. The made no announcement claiming they are goiing to fix this problem. Infact in there new TOS Twitch sayes that certain firm of sexual content will be allowed in untagged categories. Meaning thr issue of children being in 18+ streams is likely yo het worse as now payment processers and advertisers are likely to get mad. I do agree this is a sing that Twitch can't compete and is lossing money and i cant waith until the plateform dies.

[@stefanwest4577]

While I agree they have been forced to change but it’s a win win as they have given sex industry workers a platform to start on before OF - that industry is huge and creators have been in a similar fight on where to post their content. For twitch to be ‘forcibly’ invite to create soft content is huge.

[@stefanwest4577]

Imagine if KZbin bought out the red tube url and had a ‘red light’ section - porn hub finally has a legal and safe competitor

[@soupcake3092]

I don't think sex workers should be blacklisted from other jobs or websites. Because that means if you do it once you're stuck with it. Which is especially an issue when alot of people turn to sex work because they are struggling. Being locked behind an 18+ wall for non sexual content because of it is also an issue for similar reasons. But it is very uncomfortable that people famous for it can get a big following of kids on tiktok or something. I'm not sure what a solution would be.

[@jefferysweaty6028]

get a real job maybe

[@soupcake3092]

@@jefferysweaty6028 You're watching a youtuber.

[@jefferysweaty6028]

@@soupcake3092 you said what would the solution be. I said get a real job. They should try perseverance instead of being greedy and exploitive. America is a backwards country anyway so the less said the better about that shitehole.

[@Roxypooped]

Some girls wore forced into porn when they were 18. The website girls do porn trafficked women who were under age or just turning 18 tricking them into modeling. then scaring them and there family's raping em and uploading the vids getting em addicted to drugs and alcohol causing them to be locked into the industry. so to just say get a real job is pretty fucked up. only now women are getting out of porn because the boss of girls do porn has been arrested by fbi and his whole company being shut down and arrested. @@jefferysweaty6028

[@indirapurnami]

So we can stream Baldur Gate 3 sexy scenes uncensored???

[@timothyhilditch]

The solution is to start shaming all the people who do sexual content. It harms society in the long run. I don't think you should ban them but shaming everyone who creates the content I'm all on-board with. Also I'm considering deleting my twitch account of 10+ years because of their change of policy. Would you admit having an account on a sex website to a stranger? Or admit that you watch boobie streamers? Times are a changing and shame instead of banning is going to make a return. A lot of people are going to be ashamed of their past.

[@LITTLEBRAT775081]

I am glad I am not recommended any of these

[@skambim]

just wait till the 304's figure out u can show ANYTHING on youtube, as long as it's somehow educational..... we're gonna have 304's doing a spready to the camera talking about fallopian tubes.....

[@thestorybehindthestory6350]

I saw a guy sit down with a former sex worker like, last year and they called all this shit

[@jackleahy1661]

It's a difficult subject, but I think kids need to see it to an extent definitely more now. But your example of a pornstar live streaming Minecraft (provided seperate accounts and nothing inappropriate for children) why can't they do it sensibly? Introduce pornstars to kid as people. Not naked women doing horrible things. They can enjoy that when they grow up

[@dingoDogMan]

It really, really does make you think about how much this stuff is normalised and who the people are who are behind making it normalised.

[@jefferysweaty6028]

exactly, no one feels bad about any of this?