New university rankings have upended the world: Chinese universities hold 6 of top 10 spots

The Leiden University Center for Science and Technology Studies CWTS group has new university rankings that add open-data sources to the traditional list of top journals, which were previously the standard.
Common university ranking systems carefully consider research reputation and scholarship, including real-world impact and application. But tens of thousands of scientific and engineering journals are omitted by Western university ranking systems, especially those not written in the English language.
Simply by including the journals in the OpenAlex databases, Chinese universities vault to the top of global rankings for research universities, snagging six of the top nine spots, and ten of the top 20.
Resources and links:
Forbes, China Used More Concrete In 3 Years Than The U.S. Used In The Entire 20th Century [Infographic]
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Nature, Modernizing cement manufacturing in China leads to substantial environmental gains
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Graphic, China HSR network since 2008
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CNN, High speed trains are racing across the world. But not in America
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Sample English-language abstracts of Chinese scholarship in high-speed rail:
Nature, High-speed rail new towns and their impacts on urban sustainable development: a spatial analysis based on satellite remote sensing data
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Nature, The impacts of high-speed railway on environmental sustainability: quasi-experimental evidence from China
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Nature, The impact of high-speed rail on SO2 emissions-based on spatial difference-in-differences analysis
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High-Speed Rail and Energy Productivity: Evidence from China
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Nature, How does the opening of high-speed rail drive energy restructuring? New micro evidence from China
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Forbes, A Look Inside Shenzhen's High-Tech Empire
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China’s universities just grabbed 6 of the top 10 spots in one worldwide science ranking - without changing a thing
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Methodologies for CWTS Leiden Global University Rankings:
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Leiden Rankings for 2024
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[@tompell3032]

6 of the top 10?? but wait up... there is more..... the top PhD students in the US universities are chinese.

[@mistermood4164]

Eventually those students will be going back to China

[@piccalillipit9211]

YES and a lot of them are going "home" - if their studies were paid ofr the the Chn Gvt the deal is "come home is we need you" and Chn are starting to tell them to come home

[@Justspinwin]

@@piccalillipit9211 Well they are using the tax payer's money and part of the deal is that u have to go back to China after the study. If they want to stay in American they wouldn't and shouldn't take the offer in the beginning.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

What's the betting that an increasing percentage are sensing the "McCarthy-like" atmosphere in the US and choosing to leave before things get "difficult"?

[@piccalillipit9211]

@@rogerstarkey5390 A LOT ARE - a recent study of from memory 138 Chn scientists selling up and moving back to Chn voulenterilly - racism and the current general culture of anti Chn sentiment was a major factor.

[@naixo7297]

The USA is busy with more important things. * defining what women are *

[@MetaView7]

. . . and busy supporting so-called "democratic" regimes in faraway places.

[@verypleasantguy]

@@MetaView7 ... and busy supporting Israel in their "Gaza campaign"

[@MetaView7]

@@verypleasantguy hahah, my comment has been censored.

[@tluangasailo3663]

OK but why US still invent modern things like gene editing, generative AI, self driving , AR VR, mRNA vaccine , cloud computing, RISCV, 3D printing, Reusable Rocket,

[@andrzej21111]

🤣🤣🤣

[@brianliew5901]

In ancient China, the highest status is a scholar and the lowest is an actor.

[@peanut0brain]

You mean actor like zekensky and Ronald Reagan and Arnold Schwarzenegger?

[@edukid1984]

@@peanut0brain Actors in general, but actors getting appointed as high ranking official in government are especially frowned upon. There was in fact one opera/theatre-obsessed emperor of a short-lived dynasty who did just that in the 10th century - it didn't end well.

[@ExternalInputs]

Were there no real estate salesmen vying for the lowest at the time?

[@joelturley4847]

How do real estate agents rate in modern china ?😂

[@yaoliang1580]

​@@joelturley4847it's certainly doing better than your empire of lies

[@aliusman4181]

Good thing is that you talk with references and put their links in descrption too. Your videos are enlightening and without any shades of propaganda. You talk facts ! Thank you !

[@jchung5265]

Agree ! Try watching Joe bloggs with his analysis put tears and laughter in me at the same time!

[@Ace1000ks19751982]

When you have scientists, engineers, and scholars leading a country, you get good results like this. Compare that to the US where lawyers, finance people, and liberal arts majors lead a country, you get a regressive country. On the other hand, China is a progressive country.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

All evidence suggests, "THE progressive country"

[@joyholtzhausen8976]

Not forgetting the political scientists and journalists that seem to have the most sway over American public opinion

[@tluangasailo3663]

Yet US is the only one that keep inventing almost all modern technologies

[@kenw.4539]

Yes, the US is mostly led by lawyers who just complain and sanction, like rich brats who do not comprehend the damage they do to the American people as the resulting lack of trust results in de-dollarization. We are starting to sound like the ruling class in India who are so proud of their English (90% of the Indian population don't speak English) and complain about China all the time, accept lots of bribes, and focus very little on developing their country properly.

[@khlim428]

also comedians

[@prasitclinic3058]

I am a Thai-Chinese. 60 years ago, I had to study in a Thai curriculum school from 8 am to 3 pm. Then I had to study Chinese from 6 pm to 8 pm. Almost all of the Chinese teachers were Chinese immigrants. All of the Chinese teachers were very dedicated to teaching. Some of them, in addition to teaching, also taught ping pong. Some also taught basketball, volleyball, and music. It was almost 10 pm when the teachers returned from work. The textbooks taught about morality, linguistics, Chinese calligraphy, classroom speeches, rotating classroom leaders to maintain order, being a serious student police officer, building a classroom library, and gratitude. The school had very high discipline. Everyone was assigned tasks to do. Almost all the students spent time at school. Some practiced music, some played sports until the evening. The Chinese principal stayed at the school every day until it got dark, and then was the last one to close the school door and go home. He worked 365 days a year, never took sick leave, never took vacation leave. For this reason, the alumni of this school (Phuket Thai Hua School) were successful in many departments.

[@comment6864]

Hard work is good, but everything has its time and place. Warkagolism is not a healthy way for society to be. Chinese culture is NOT without its problems

[@prasitclinic3058]

It depends on your perspective whether working is happiness or suffering. Some people like working because they learn new things with work all the time. I have been working since I was 6 years old. Today, I still enjoy working. When I want to relax, I take a break to travel for a while and then come back to work. An old Thai proverb says that work is money. Money is work, it brings happiness. Have money to take care of yourself, take care of your family, take care of your relatives, and help society. No one dies from working hard as usual.@@comment6864

[@stevet9652]

Dammm. I should of worked 10 hrs a day 365 days a year. They lied to me. I was told to work 40hrs a week, enjoy my weekends and spend time with my family. Do you think I can start at the age of 55?

[@nochipsonlycrisps8639]

ลุงครับ 60 ปีมันนานเกินประเทศไทยก็เปลี่ยนแล้วนะครับ

[@ht2866]

To be fair the US is the world leader in gender debates.

[@peanut0brain]

How many genders now?

[@rogerstarkey5390]

USA also leads in divisive political opinion..... Right down to the individual. . Let's see how that works out?

[@askyalumumba3573]

No doubt,

[@Larkinchance]

Gender studies are akin to psychology or cultural studies. When pushed to the forefront of the national discourse, gender and LGBT becomes fodder for unscrupulous politicians. These issues are about the individual, freedom and privacy and they should stay private because politicians use them to divide the population against itself.

[@mahboobalam5689]

by the way, that debate is not science-based either.

[@jameswong07]

Chinese universities is extremely affordable if compared to US and the west .

[@Xibot888]

Yes and degree from China is worth much less than from top US university. Graduates from top us universities make over 100k a year .

[@yunko9369]

@@Xibot888 Did you factor into the cost of living?

[@snowlee-ml7rr]

那是因为中国政府给予教育很大的资金。

[@Xibot888]

@@yunko9369 yes and US university grads are far more international in nature living all over world working for international business. Feel sad for all unemployed Chinese college grads. Worthless paper diplomas.

[@kimchiba4570]

Not true anymore unless you are talking about top notch American universities​@@Xibot888

[@kooisengchng5283]

Even Americans of Chinese origin are leading the pack of Anglosaxons in the West in STEM subjects. Look at their teams for the Maths Olympiad. It is China ver.2.

[@SlimJim3082]

No indians? I thought they were supposed to be good at maths too

[@blakespower]

anglo saxons? this guy doesnt even know what America is, or maybe he is getting his information from a 400 year old text

[@user-ob5ht7vl3d]

Just check the names in the US, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand teams of Maths, Physics and Chemistry Olympiad... You will see that most last names are Chinese 😂

[@user-cy3ce1gy7o]

Theres a news on chinese americans beat chinese china in math or science competition

[@oberstleutnant787]

Recall phrase"two wrongs don't make a right"

[@hydrohasspoken6227]

1:17: China has built 26.000 miles.... In the USA we have....(damn this is embarrassing, shall I say it)......375 miles...... Kevin's pain is palpable

[@rogerstarkey5390]

That's "375 miles certified for *over 100mph* " The Chinese system is routinely 210+mph

[@rap3208]

The california High Speed rail that was planned in 2008 (almost at the same time as China's first HSR) and started construction in 2015 still has to layout a single mile of rail. Since 2007, China built more than 42,000 km (26,000 miles) of HSR

[@dimiberberu]

China cares about world standards & built 42k KM, The US only 0.37k miles ;)

[@bigeye4520]

The hsr of DC to Boston is a joke, in 2012 I rode it from Bridgeport to Boston, took me 2 hrs for 153 miles.

[@ericchong9304]

I graduated as an Electrical Engineer from a US university, worked a few years there before returing to Asia. Today, I just decided I will send my son to China to further his tertiery education in engineering, for its tech advancement and low cost (free perhaps, due to scholarships).

[@verypleasantguy]

Speaking of electronics --- there are channels on YT that dealt with electronic circuit designing, and many of them are based in Shenzhen and surrounding area The vlogger posted a prototype, with schematics, and then, many audiences posting back suggestions on improving the original circuits. Some even posted a total re-designed circuit that performs much better. And they are all in Chinese.

[@bigkesh441]

Link please 🥺

[@curiosity465]

Are the math and equations in Chinese? No.

[@verypleasantguy]

@@curiosity465 Everything in the Chinese language, except for the formula where the well-used symbols V, W, A, R, which are still used

[@curiosity465]

@@verypleasantguy Yes. The math, equations and key terminology are in English the world over including in China. Mandarin is a backward and undeveloped language that's unfit for intellectual, higher academic R&D and technical activities. I once attended a quantum mechanics lecture at Peking University and I was the only outsider and the QM lecture was taught entirely in English with a few simple explanations in Mandarin for greater clarity to the students.

[@verypleasantguy]

@@curiosity465 yeah, yeah, so long as you are happy, whatever you want to say

[@user-on3ie9uv3x]

Good students, good professors, plenty of funds, sufficient support from corporations, wize government guidance, China has all.

[@verypleasantguy]

China has "wize government guidance" ? Don't make me laugh !

[@tZydeco]

​@@verypleasantguy - judge by outcomes and see the truth. Or not.

[@lilyinthevalley8046]

@@verypleasantguy Actually it's from the Higher Power. Don't believe? It's in Revelation chapters 16-19. Even the Chinese don't know this truth. He change not. For He is the same yesterday, today and forever. Prince of Peace, Everlasting God.

[@verypleasantguy]

@@tZydeco I have businesses in China All the so-called "wize government guidance" are local officials demanding bribes

[@HiggsBoson2149]

​@@verypleasantguydid you not watch the American presidential debate recently?

[@eugeneheeger3284]

Excellent commentary and observation. As a former Academic in the UK, the West has been left behind... China is the future!!!

[@PeaceAnd-Prosperity]

China is the present.

[@thisiskevin1000]

But wait, Eastern European countries like EU members Hungary, Slovakia, Croatia, Slovenia and Poland, and non-EU member Serbia

[@curiosity465]

0 inventions, 0 discoveries, 0 world leading products and services and 0 path breaking theories from China. China has won a pathetic 5 Nobel Prizes in scientific disciplines and 0 Turing Awards in Computer Science.

[@lamrof]

Thank God China is awakening the rest of the none West world.

[@raycomeau6866]

Another good source for ranking of Universities by field of study is the Nature Index. In STEM fields Chinese schools are doing very well.

[@justjacqueline2004]

The Chinese students at Edinburgh University are doing a lot of research on the painful subjects such as concrete,power production,power transmission reinforecement of concrete and so much more all in Mandarin .Amazing where Chinese students and their research go .

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Mmmmm.... Infrastructure. . They're going to have their pick of projects in Asia, India(?) Africa and South America.

[@curiosity465]

@@justjacqueline2004 The math and equations and key terminology are always in English never in a backward and undeveloped language like Mandarin. Write Schroedinger wave equation in Mandarin? Lol

[@carlossenequiert4791]

@@curiosity465la envidia y el resentimiento en sentido nitzcheano te corroen.

[@curiosity465]

@@carlossenequiert4791 PhD research in general has almost nothing to do with the practical application of science, technology and engineering where design and fabrication methods are very different. In industry, PhDs lag behind the rest and are least capable of changing over to adopting the practices of design, testing and manufacture.

[@hayekianman]

@@curiosity465 in hindu arabic numbers? yes.

[@gelinrefira]

I fully expect the US media to now disavow university rankings, or they come up with the most ridiculous excuses and conspiracy theories. Yet again, I'm emptied my popcorn.

[@danielli9167]

US will pass a law banning that ranking because all people are equal and there is not number 1.

[@PhiloSurfer]

Or they will accuse China of over capacity in STEM graduates.

[@guppycolours1199]

They had returned to where they were 3 000years ago. Invented most things used world wide

[@conbrio27]

300. Not 3000.

[@user-og6xd2rc3r]

@@conbrio27 you are wrong

[@conbrio27]

@@user-og6xd2rc3r tell me how.

[@cindyluk9460]

No, China had been the largest economy in the world up until 1820s. You can look up the landmark research by economic historian Angus Maddison.

[@ragnarokws2670]

​​@@conbrio27 you will surprise few thousand years ago Chinese already start using paper and ink, this is why they got all the knowledge cos their ancestors pass these knowledge by generations by generations

[@Zerpentsa6598]

As one of my ex colleagues at a Russell Group university (UK), they are there not so much to teach as to "lay hands and give the graduates a piece of paper". In China, you really need to show you've learned something. 😂

[@PaulMitchell-uj1uu]

It used to be like that in the west when universities were free, but now it’s just pay the fees and get the bit of paper in many of them.

[@dongiovanni8899]

Elite universities in UK don't do teaching but tell the students to prepare for presentations, if the lecturers like what the students talk they can graduate with honours😁

[@bigeye4520]

​@@dongiovanni8899The Western schools are promoting and encouraging free thinking by putting away the classic text books, no student has patience and appetite for it anyway, and the teachers and professors made their own job easier too. They no more stand up by the chalkboard giving 45minutes lectures, instead, nowadays they just give a few guidelines and let students do their own thinking and research, and hand in report. How nice.

[@taiwanstillisntacountry]

As an over-sea Chinese, all this makes me so proud.

[@dimiberberu]

Go back. I wish I can help with Yugoslav experience/philosophy.

[@jonathanfriedlander8563]

AND SO YOU SHOULD BE !!

[@jackchiu7560]

China is doing its job quietly, without fanfare. What a better way to save its students overseas from being tagged as spies by improving the quality of China's higher education institutions at home?

[@KirillFrolov77]

Look, I worked for a long time in a top-3 global IT company is Sydney. I personally did hundreds of interviews with the candidates. Believe it or not, Australian folks just couldn't make it. Australians in Sydney office were our diversity hires as we used to joke. Practically everybody who can pass the interview received their education elsewhere, not in Australia. Who are the folks we were hiring? Well, EU + Russia/Belarus/Ukraine, all of Asia, some South Africans, Indians. Asians are the majority of the hires. And this is pure meritocracy, 5 or 6 demanding interviews in one day and then a collective decision based on merit.

[@CycOp]

US: No diversity, no democracy. Meritocracy is a form of dictatorship.

[@David-ej1ps]

😂😂 wow

[@jinniwind]

Your username checks out. I believe you.

[@ccpun3790]

In the early 90s Chinese students study hard to learn English to read computer books published in English😁

[@thetreekeeper143]

People think China was backwards in Mao's communist times. But not true at all. The first computer made in China was in 1958 in harbin. China may have been poor, but they weren't backwards.

[@user-uv3te7lr7p]

It's always a pleasure and enlightening to watch Kevin's videos. Unbiased and well supported with statistics and references. Subscribe to this channel if you wish to stay informed of what's happening in and around China. It's mind boggling though how fast he churned out these excellent videos. Keep up the great work, Kevin.😄

[@FredJones-lo2df]

When USA says it's science based , it's likely all lies.❤😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Before coming "here" I watched another favourite channel concerning the latest developments in microprocessors (don't judge me!) The presenter referenced a paper from "US research" (MIT?) detail a new technique. The image showed about 12 credited authors.... 7 of which had names which if you had to guess would be of Chinese origin, 2 probably Japanese, 2 "Korean"(?), 1 "Eastern European". . The "Science base" of US technology may be less secure than some believe? . I'd be interested in the percentage of researchers "taking a holiday to visit family" but deciding to not return over the coming months.

[@KidHorn7001]

@@rogerstarkey5390 it's hard to find an academic paper that doesn't have Chinese sounding names on it.

[@Matlockization]

Science based = democrat narrative.

[@hydrohasspoken6227]

That is what happens when a country is mostly led by engineers.

[@vgstb]

Have a look at the Eric Li TED talk of about a decade ago, where he explains the three pillars of good governance in the Chinese society (adaptability, meritocracy and legitimacy). It pretty much is self explanatory why China realized in 3 decades what other nations took 3 times longer.

[@teac117]

@@vgstb Those three things are like 'alt-right dogwhistles' to the americans.

[@primozlampic9574]

Where is the CCP here?😳

[@hydrohasspoken6227]

@@vgstb , Eric Li, my favourite contemporary intelectual.

[@kenw.4539]

US mostly led by lawyers.

[@rebharath]

that picture of the high speed rail network is insane. in 12 years. unreal.

[@conurbation]

Gimmicks

[@petehoney1]

Hard working people improving their overall prosperity 🤔👏👏

[@sciagurrato1831]

Another informative short video from Kevin. He provides more insight into business, technology and manufacturing in China in one week than the Financial Times (FT) does in a year. There was a day when the FT was useful - today it’s a good source of Kylie Minogue reviews (such as today) or information about women’s wrestling international conferences.

[@soha7271]

I had A NAS contains more than 10k songs for my steaming device years ago, it broke down one day and I took it to a repair shop to fix it, they said it cost $1 per song to fix and retrieved it, of course I rejected their offer. My friend took the device across the border to Shenzhen and the guy in charge of the repair shop was a 15 yo boy, he said $500 to fix and it might not able to retrieve 100%, took him a week to complete and he has recovered 99% of the songs within the NAS, and it’s still running fine as of now

[@remix-yy1hs]

You so lucky 😮😮 congrats 👏

[@MASMIWA]

They say that high school graduates entering college are three years ahead of their western peers, so in undergraduate studies, they whiz right through and they have to learn English to boot.

[@KidHorn7001]

My wife grew up in Vietnam. Moved to France for high school. Didn't speak French and graduated at the top of her class. Then went to the US for college. Didn't speak English and graduated summa cum laude. After which, she could speak all 3 languages fluently.

[@peterthehappywaiguoren]

In Chinese culture education is highly valued. Living in China for over 8 years I see how hard Chinese students work and the complexity and level of the subjects are incredibly high, even in primary school, especially compared to western schools. It is a society which pushes progress while valuing traditions of stability and harmony.

[@conurbation]

@@peterthehappywaiguoren they have 0 original thinking

[@myleshagar9722]

@@conurbation That is nonsense. In 12 years university teaching I saw original thinking every day. Moreover management keeps a close eye on teachers and those who cannot perform are simply not assigned any classes. That is the hint to move on.

[@conurbation]

@@myleshagar9722 Yawn. You know nothing about industry and the military complex

[@ericliume]

China's market of its own can support the R&D and investments. A lot of R&D's happen in private firms, with the help of Chinese universities. This is China's typical academy-industry cooperation. They are not targeting publishing papers, but pushing the boundaries of industries. This makes the university ranking of Chinese universities distorted.

[@conurbation]

reverse engineering

[@soothsayer2406]

Wow, most people in the West and also the East are not aware of the stats that you presented in regards to the OpenAlex database

[@ratumelimatanatoto2488]

Thank You Kevin for the insightful fact based talk. Looking forward to the next one.

[@syncmaster915n]

But if you ask a US politician why China is so good at science and tech? 100% they will say IP theft.

[@curiosity465]

China? Great at plagiarism and reverse engineering.

[@alyasagan3620]

Sleep walking

[@MicheleDiBiase-wd4sh]

@@curiosity465basic comment from someone who does not know that China has always been ahead in Innovation but believes what the US creates as a false truth

[@curiosity465]

@@MicheleDiBiase-wd4sh China excels in reverse engineering with a few tweaks to the original product. Yet, people hesitate to buy goods and services from China given their shoddy quality.

[@MicheleDiBiase-wd4sh]

@@curiosity465 shoddy quality, i am in the IT and communications every IT product and IP handset i sell and service has been and is still made in China, the quality is second to none

[@ICEMAN_GT]

Don't think USA politicians would care at all what you've said.

[@othmanhassanmajid8192]

Yes, they've been well educated at the favored Universities in lawful governance and not much else. 😂😂

[@kenw.4539]

They are awash in donor money from the US ruling class so they are fat and happy in keeping power.

[@Raytracer96024]

And they shouldn't

[@chion918]

of course they won't, they look after their stock brokerage accounts for their real living.

[@bah2singtatato116]

Chinese students admire the top scorers and want to befriend them. In US, the top students were labelled as nerd and being laughed at by their classmate.

[@RobertMooney-ut7cc]

Wow. This shift is far beyond what I was expecting. Chinese scientific research is now in the pole position. It is also noteworthy that University of Toronto (my alma mater), University of Michigan, and UCLA are recognized in the top 20. The latter two are sometimes referred to in the U.S. as being amongst the "public Ivy". Excellent video.

[@gunsumwong3948]

In a nutshell Chinese publish their research in both Chinese , English and possibly some other languages too. Only those research in English by the Chinese are accredited by the English speaking world. As Chinese language is the mother tongue of the Chinese people so there will be a substantial research written in Chinese which are ignored by the west. China has a significant number of students also learn English so they are potentially more knowledgeable with published research work than the English speaking people who rarely learn the Chinese language. Such difference is showing up in recent years. The west has always complained that China is not transparent because they cannot read Chinese where all the information and data are publicly available. Academic ranking is minor and trivial to the Chinese as the real knowledge is the one that matters. The westerners, whose knowledge is based on only the English publications, are competing with the Chinese who read publications from both east and west. It doesn't take long to work out who will be the better one in the end.

[@yeeeeeha]

Well that is certainly true. But I wonder if there are top notch works that were not published in English

[@gunsumwong3948]

@@yeeeeeha Not all top notch Chinese students go to study overseas and be proficient in writing up research papers in English. There will be a gold mine for westerners who can read research papers in Chinese. Even from youtube videos made in Chinese there is a considerable wealth of knowledge there because I have been keep a record for those interested to me.

[@yeeeeeha]

@@gunsumwong3948 I agree it to some degree regarding knowledge/knowhow. But I believe publishing one's work in a prestigious english conference/journal is still better recognized than a publishing in Chinese. If your work is really top-notch, there is no reason to only circulate it in Chinese. No matter how big China is, it is still less than 1/5 of the world population.

[@gunsumwong3948]

@@yeeeeeha Chinese people do not behave like the westerners. Many see their work as contribution to bring about a better community and making the country great being a personal achievement that their ancestors would be proud of. After all their contribution has been to China and that is what matters. Also many high tech technological areas are banned to China, like making carbon fibre, tunnel boring machines and even shipbuilding thus there may not be strong incentive to present their research in the west. The Chinese have always been able to pass their knowledge to the future generations. Today they can benefit with knowledge from the west by learning their languages. The west can do the same. Your idea of upholding the supremacist of the west will eventually break down because (1) China has the fullest product chain (called supply chain in the west but in China things are actually made there) and so the knowledge is with tho producing the goods and (2) Many people from non-western countries, like the Africans, East Europeans and Middle Asians, are learning Chinese as their second language. This will strengthen the position of the Chinese publications. In 2023 the American Congress Research Service published a report confirming US had made no more than 5 ocean going vessels each year between 2020 to 2022 but China averaged more than 1,700. This indicates US has lost the ability to build merchant navy as every American shipyard survives on Navy order to build warships only. This month Chinese youtube videos on shipbuilding have revealed in the first half of 2024 China has delivered 55% of the global production, taken in 74.7% of new global orders, is holding 58.9%% of the global outstanding orders. Guess who will be the expert in building ships in the coming few decades.

[@dongiovanni8899]

French and Germans also don't publish their latest top-notch research findings in English😎. That's why Chinese scientists further their studies in areas such as quantum physics in Germany and produced the first quantum satellite, which is not available in English journals🤫

[@wtf_usa5597]

Wow.. Charts were crazy. Thanks! 👍

[@DingoHammer]

I don't know, but I suspect that a lot of the students at top Western universities are Chinese and East Asian.

[@curiosity465]

@@DingoHammer They excel in routine research not inventions, discoveries, cutting edge technologies nor path breaking theories.

[@mellowmonsoon278]

Indian

[@curiosity465]

@@mellowmonsoon278 Indians are the same as the Chinese

[@AlmalikyAli]

We really appreciate your deep insights. Thanks a lot.

[@phils4634]

This "pro-West" bias goes back a LONG way. In the 1900's, Russia produced a very large number of excellent papers, which were studiously ignored because they were a) published in Russian, and b) because of the West's ingrained "anti-Russian" biases. The same parochial bias has been applied to the many Chinese publications. The very "English language biased" Citations Index continues this disparity. Then, there's the issue of those who work in the "less glamorous" fields, whose papers will, by definition, serve a far lesser researcher base? Their work may be just as important, but it is ignored for this reason. If you look at the many open-source Journal series (PlOS ONE, MDPI, Frontiers, etc) you'll quickly note that the majority of papers are published by Chinese Institutions. This has been the case for a number of years.

[@coliv2]

The traditional rankings are based on journals used by “top” universities as more important, so it is self reliant. These are journals controlled by these same universities. No wonder considering global research will show a more nuanced picture.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Academic "Circle Jerk"? 😉

[@mellowmonsoon278]

Most top journals are controlled by the elites of the top western universities.

[@noelelnolo9642]

U really have very good information on ur videos. Very well researched and informative. Thank u

[@ongsengfook]

Guangdong GDP is higher than GDP of Indonesia or Switzerland. GDP of Chinese provinces even higher than those of most countries.

[@conurbation]

Swiss technology is high quality and based on original thinking, while goods from China are shoddy and reverse engineered. Or outsourced from the West for cheap mass manufacturing.

[@KidHorn7001]

I've been an IT manager for decades. Probably interviewed over 1,000 applicants. Most went to universities outside the US I've never heard of. They could have been made up for all I know. But, I couldn't care less about academic achievement. Some of my best hires never graduated college. They were able to self teach. Something far more important for success than being able to regurgitate what a professor says for 4 years.

[@etbuch4873]

It is quite natural for Chinese scientists and engineers to publish their research papers in Chinese, especially when the subjects are about China, and the researchers are Chinese, and the first language they use are the Chinese language, and that is that. If the people or "scholars" in the West were ignorant of such research papers, it would be quite natural as well, for they could deep down be equally ignorant that Chinese people do research, too, and since far earlier than they -- by a few millennia.

[@kenw.4539]

This is what happens when the US ruling class is SO ANGRY at Chinese and non-American success (HOW DARE THEY FORGET THE US WILL ALWAYS BE #1!!). If there wasn't this needless hostility and we had cooperation, I bet most of the scientific papers will be in English or Mandarin and English at the same time.

[@LokeKS]

example of those channels?

[@dongiovanni8899]

French and Germans also don't publish their latest research findings in English such as high-speed rail engineering, quantum physics which explains the lack of application in these areas in Anglo-Saxon countries😁

[@conurbation]

@@dongiovanni8899 STEM equations and terms are in English all over the world.

[@conurbation]

@@dongiovanni8899 Why would small European countries or big nations in North America need high speed rail when their airplane networks are excellent. People in the West use airlines to travel not trains.

[@StephenKelly-ey6ne]

Thank you Kevin.

[@daffyduck4195]

In the 1990s, when Japan's industries rose to the #2 position globally, a huge amount of scientific research and patent papers were published in Japanese without being translated into English, and thus that data was not counted in university rankings of those days. Similarly, German scientists were told to publish their research in English to get the international community's acknowledgment.

[@conurbation]

Invented in America. Made in Japan.

[@daffyduck4195]

@@conurbation , ignorance begets bigotry.

[@Jess-re6om]

Write the chemical formula of benzene or the field equations in Japanese 😮.It can't be done.

[@Jess-re6om]

​@@daffyduck4195You're a dunce

[@dayveda3736]

Super breakdown Kevin. Thank you!

[@richardwhitehouse8762]

I often wondered when Chinese unis would start making an appearance in the top 20. All those scholarships on offer to S American and African students must seem like a gift ..

[@conurbation]

@@richardwhitehouse8762 University rankings are puerile. German or French universities for example are never in the world's top 20 or whatever but both these EU countries are science and technology giants and have won scores of Nobel Prizes in scientific disciplines and Turing Awards in Computer Science. Their companies are world leaders churning out the best goods and services. Which Chinese company is a world leader? They can't be world leaders because they dabble in reverse engineering not quality production nor originality.

[@jinniwind]

Peking university is ranked #17 in QS 2024 (tsinghua st #25), and it’s not the first year that a Chinese university made it into the top 20.

[@conurbation]

@@jinniwind Peking University? 😗 What're its inventions, discoveries, world leading research leading to highly acclaimed products and services, path breaking theories, Nobel Prizes, Turing Awards? 0. Nothing to show in terms of real achievements

[@frankacheampong608]

Recent events in the US seem to indicate that independent thought and innovation is frowned upon at the moment in the US, and the gender theorists seem to hold a disproportionate amount of power too. That isn't a recipe for attracting the best academic minds in the world.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Hmmmmm Orwellian much?

[@rochskier]

This is what happens when one side has high standards and the other has none.

[@douginorlando6260]

The other aspect of STEM universities is close mutually beneficial relationships with industry. This creates centers of excellence that lead the world in their area of specialization

[@conurbation]

@@douginorlando6260 Theory in STEM is very far removed from practical engineering. Industry rejects 99% of their theoretical research papers based on esoteric and impractical ideas. Engineering has its own practical approach using simple arithmetic to create outstanding and useful goods and services.

[@douginorlando6260]

@@conurbation science is not years removed from application when understanding how & why transistors work plus providing rationales for trying different doping schemes for better transistors and sensors. Ohm’s law is simple but most Engineering math is more complex and at times esoteric. For example, when modeling a circuit, arrays of equations with many variables most be solved. And inductor & capacitors make those equations include derivatives and integrals. Instead of working such a messy problem in time domain, it is transformed into a kind of frequency domain math where calculus becomes algebra and then solved, then converted back to time domain. Nowadays computers are used to do the math (e,g. Spice program) but a competent engineer must understand why it works in order to do more than read the supplier’s application notes for typical applications. Antenna theory is vital for anyone developing new antennas. The math behind electromagnetic fields and radiation in a volume and time with conducting shapes with both impedance and resistance is far from simple math. Engineering behind new product development is a process and is far from simple math without theory. Centers of excellence need both the industrial production capacity and the theoretical based research expertise to be world class leaders. Often, companies provide internships for promising students and coordinate research efforts with STEM universities.

[@liamporter1137]

Informative. Thanks for sharing.

[@viz8746]

Naturally, since Chinese and Asian (Indian, Taiwanese, Japanese, Korean, Singaporean) universities teach real science, whilst American universities still struggle to tell the difference between male and female genders! 😂

[@haophong64]

This American journalist he is the most honest an intelligent person that always tell good news on China after all China is number one in every aspect

[@The0ldg0at]

It can be resumed as profit driven R&D vs purpose driven R&D. The progress of Science & Technology for the benefit of the Big Investors vs the progress of Science & Technology for the benefit of the People.

[@jeanlaikan8400]

History repeats itself

[@LW78321]

I'm not surprised. Primary and secondary school standards are significantly higher in China than in western countries, so it's no surprise that their universities are doing so well

[@Final_Cut_FF]

It's scary how quickly this all happened.

[@youtubetebie7799]

Wow, thanks for sharing this latest important info

[@MrStevemur]

Thank you, this makes so much sense.

[@jonc6463]

I enjoy your presentations immensely. Yes, as a teacher over the past 4 decades, mostly in Australia - I can tell you that the winds of change have been going for some time. The competition for places in universities in China is immense - Australia benefits from this as we receive many thousands of Chinese students at tertiary level to study here. Many of them return to China to further enrich their nation’s human resources.

[@markhunt5019]

I’ve been in education all my professional life and been regularly concerned about university and high school rankings. I have suspected for a long time the China’s universities must be under-appreciated. I am now split between Canada and Taiwan and while Canada’s ignorance is understandable, it is shocking to see the Taiwanese bias. Attend a university during the next few years and then see how proud you are to cite your degree 20 years from now! Education is primarily about preparing for the future through an understanding of past developments and trajectories. China’s current trajectory is eclipsing the rest and f the world. Their system should be better understood

[@user-qd8yg1fp7i]

Kevin, u and yr family seem to be v good at sensing the winds of change... Unlike yr countrymen...

[@siawboen8847]

I have predicted, more and more conscientious US and Western talents will move to China to study and live there and apply their talents to help develop China more...the same is going with you Mr. walmley.

[@CycOp]

US has been banning some computer programs such as MATLAB to Chinese universities and research institutes for a few years now. I believe that without these programs, it is difficult for the publishers to verify the results, and the consequently few papers published by Chinese universities and institutions on those journals.

[@Beaconism-Dollarism]

Eye opening information. The world is changing.

[@vincenttayelrand]

Sure, scientific papers are important to drive innovation. However most innovations bypass academia completely and are simple incremental improvements on the factory floors. And guess what nation can boast the most factory floor today?

[@AIPretendingToBeHuman]

Both China and the US follow Sun-Tzu -- "Appear weak when you are strong, and strong when you are weak. " Up to the reader to figure out who is weak and who is strong.

[@user-gp2bu6ce7h]

Every year there are many international school and student Olympiads in technical sciences. For many years the ratio of winners has been approximately the same (+/-). Of the ten winners, 4 are Chinese, 4 are Russian, 2 are Americans of Indian or Chinese origin:)

[@smhayden1]

Continue your important videos . Well Done. My dad was Retired US Major Air Force and I believe in words of Apostle John. I appreciate your work.

[@hsheuw]

1:22 Imagine how painful it will be for him to say : “even Indonesia (which the US formerly labelled as terrorism hotbed) already had 142 km HSR service capable of running at 220mph / 350 kph”. 😂

[@chingtuckmeng1122]

ranking is irrelevant west can have 1-100 top ranking....but buying 99% fron CN money, money money

[@Jess-re6om]

Outsourcing prototypes designed and tested in the West to China for cheap mass manufacture.

[@dnataliesmith2209]

From a country where you do not complain about being mediocre you compete and better yourself! All I see is the US complaining about it's mediocrity! I moved to Brazil 12 years ago and the amount of new railway lines laid since I came I have lost count.

[@jameslum8822]

Kevin's regular 10min videos are indispensable watching, just to keep up with the changing dynamics berween east and west.

[@rastoferi6012]

US busy discussing alternative facts, who needs science?

[@cocoyoung7996]

no worries, good news is Chinese students are no longer able to study STEM fields in the US

[@Zerpentsa6598]

Hope Chinese tourists are no longer allowed in US, UK, Canada, Australia, Germany, Netherlands.

[@conurbation]

@@cocoyoung7996 yeah because they send their studied ideas to china to reverse engineer.

[@hkjzking3516]

It's a loss of US. Many Chinese students stayed in US after they completed their study. When your own students aren't capable of doing the job and you cut off the source of better students, who is doing the job? The inferior one.

[@bah2singtatato116]

Chinese students admire the top scorers and want to befriend them. In US, top students are labelled as nerd and are constantly being bullied.

[@billmcintyre61]

At Present , here in New Zealand our Universities are calling to the Government for funds. As Chinese student enrollments have fallen dramatically in the last Two years. So I agree with what you are saying Kevin, to me you are both Genuine and Honest I enjoy watching your videos, I there must be thousands if not millions of people share these thoughts. take care .

[@nulnoh219]

7:20 and now you're in China.

[@cheungchingtong]

A smart family blood line he has, unfortunately, unlike the USA, China mostly do not accept immigrants.

[@Q_QQ_Q]

USA is the number 1 in gender studies and gives 100s of millions to other countries to be studied and applied in their country as well.

[@yingxu7908]

Thank you Kevin，i said it and say again from farm equipments airplane，semiconductor，fish farm……Kevin knows them all。Thank you very much

[@Google_Does_Evil_Now]

In Britain they were going to build 200 miles of high speed rail, just 1 rail line, and it would take 10 years. Britain are now only going to build 100 miles. Britain says it cannot afford the other 100 miles. Meanwhile China is building 4,000 miles a year, every year. It would take the Chinese 1 week to build 100 miles in Britain. But it takes the British 10 years. What went wrong?

[@barryshaw5660]

China Bills, high-speed rail, and other infrastructure in the US we fix potholes. Nice video.

[@oberstleutnant787]

Build not bills

[@boxscorewatcher413]

Look up the word "facts" in the dictionary and you will see a picture of this man.

[@MuzorewaRatshikuni]

Then call it a pictionary

[@firstlast-pt5pp]

@4:44 - those rankings include the soft sciences - only MIT is in the top 10 for STEM ( the rest are Chinese and one from Singapore )

[@fluidmx]

Thanks for the work you are doing. Great content.

[@luispnrf]

Your video got old very quickly. That top 10 today has 8 chinese universities and the leader is Zhejiang University.

[@tonyc5384]

Change a parameter and the order changes.

[@luispnrf]

@@tonyc5384 True but I assume/hope that default parameters have the best balance.

[@simonsmatthew]

The rankings are actually heavily Anglo-Saxon dominated. Japan and continental Europe hardly appear. It is heavily based on criteria such as publications in "high end" journals. These journals are almost all American. So the Chinese universities that teach in English and publish in these journals are the ones that are highly ranked. What does this mean? It means that the US still has a lot of what political scientists call "soft power". Add to this that many, many Chinese go to the US and other Anglo-Saxon countries to study. Much, much fewer people go in the other direction. So this means the US is still setting the standards and has a lot of influence; its views on the world are heard. But it is US elites who gain from this, not its people. I would also argue that in China there is a large cosmopolitan neo-liberal elite, many of whom studied in the US themselves. They are a useful group for the US - a kind of Trojan horse.

[@chairman76]

Good luck in using the Han Chinese as a Trojan horse. These guys are hyper nationalistic and highly ethnocentric.

[@MuzorewaRatshikuni]

Did you puff on a joint prior to posting? Sounds like you're trying to develop a narrative that will help you cope.

[@thiago5372]

Trojan horse us are 80%, but on China are 1 or 5%

[@dongiovanni8899]

that because Japanese and European scientists keep the latest and best for themselves

[@waichui2988]

In the 25 years before the start of the First World War, it was vital for scientists to know German.

[@conurbation]

@@waichui2988 The Roman numerals and alphabets are common to English and German and so are many words. Equations are the key in STEM and they're expressed exclusively in Roman letters and numerals with a few Greek symbols. English has far outstripped German with its vast vocabulary and cutting edge research.

[@ChuckUstaad]

China is collapsing....Financially..Economically....even NOW, Politacally....Please tell us the REAL INSIDE situation about China

[@jasonhallock3773]

Take a deep breath. They just. Got fusion to work

[@user-lb4yx1ms5f]

👏👏👏👏👏

[@MetalMonkey-ev4jq]

Yes China is leading in so many areas... but at WHAT Cost?!?!?!?!

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Specify?

[@MetalMonkey-ev4jq]

@@rogerstarkey5390 ahem... Just being sarcastic tearing a page from lamestream media. 😁

[@Ysq21aCk_user]

The cost of more question marks and exclamation marks.

[@Bonzi2]

My pushback against this is that even the vast majority of publications in top journals have little impact. So having a lower threshold for publications that count towards a ranking is kind of meaningless. There are many journals with almost a non-existent review or editorial process and are just "pay to publish". Also in academia there are lots of "crank handle" type of projects where you are guaranteed a publication, even though there is nothing really original about it. It likely won't advance your career and will be low impact etc. A true indicator really isn't number of publications, but the number of citations from top journals. One nature/ science paper is better than 1000 low impact papers.

[@Utube1024]

There is difference between Research university and educational university. Research university is the real deal.

[@baichuanren885]

First！

[@laiJony]

The really best universities in China are not Tsinghua or Peking University at all, but those universities that are sanctioned by the United States, and these schools can easily target Western universities, because many high-tech and latest weapons come from these institutions.