NEW V3 Bolt Action Platoon Selectors and MMG Battle Report

[@Fearior]

I like heavily armored lists that 3rd editions enabled.

[@scholaprogenium7276]

@@Fearior They look great and are fun to run, I'm seeing 3 cheap light tanks being quite the force multiplier!

[@SGusky]

Thank you so much for posting all these Play throughs of what we know of the new rules so far keep it up

[@scholaprogenium7276]

@@SGusky Cheers for the feedback, will do!

[@jeffashley9659]

I played a match using the V3 platoons against a friend. I ran three platoons, one "Polish" Rifle Platoon with a Reg 2nd LT and Man, 4x Reg 8-Man Sections with an LMG in Each, and a Reg Sniper, with the Free Observer and Man. Second Platoon was a Canadian Engineer Platoon with a Vet 2nd Lt with Man, 2x 8-Man Veteran Canadian Engineers with 5 SMGs in each and Stubborn, transported in a 30CWT and an armoured C15TA. Third Platoon was Artillery with an Inexp 2nd Lt (Support), 2x 25lbers, and a Medium Howitzer, all three with a spotter. My opponent ran two US Platoons, the Rifle Platoon with 2x Veteran Spahi squads with a BAR in each, a Veteran/Fanatic Goumier squad, and a Foreign Legion Squad, then a Sniper and a Light Mortar. The Tank Platoon was two Shermans and an M12 (Heavy Howitzer Gun Carriage). Overall, it was 16 VS 11 dice. We didn't play the Machine Gun changes, so all the vehicles had their full dice output. Overall, I know I didn't have too much AT capability, and I deployed my artillery wrong, but I didn't feel too bad about not having a tank. The Shermans were still able to do work, with their 2in HE templates, but I didn't feel like I had already lost the game because I didn't bring any tank. We played an Objective game, and I ended up holding one, and contesting the other two. I really feel excited to see where the Shooting Phase is going, and how Cover Saves will change that. Hopefully we get the details we want this coming week. And the point changes that we know are coming. I'm in love with the Platoon Selectors, though. I think my Armored Platoons will largely consist of maybe two "proper" tanks, but then Self-Propelled Guns (which I think may be KING in V3).

[@scholaprogenium7276]

Fascinating, really really interesting to hear your lists in detail, I appreciate you taking the time to type them out mate. As you can tell we are also loving the new selectors, as soon as you lay the army out you get it, they just feel right! Haha I'm seeing motorised artillery being good too, especially if units like the stug get a bit cheaper than their tank equivalents!

[@dariostabletopminatures]

0:54 Man I love how the Armies look now! Love 2.5.2... I will watch this Tonight! Can't Wait! I feel playing version 2 Serves no Point anymore... But getting accustomed to Version 3 is.

[@pech2130]

I am so looking forward to next week! Thanks!

[@scholaprogenium7276]

@@pech2130 Us too mate!

[@talasmanca]

With the changes coming, kinda glad I went with two starter boxes for the Japanese and over invested by starting with some of the 30 unit boxes of Brit/Canadian and Germans, then getting a couple vehicles, then getting the Grenadier and Canadian starter boxes so I am set up decently to field some of the new army building armies. Having also suplemmented them before the starter boxes with support boxes I have a couple of everything like mmgs and mortars I can field.

[@scholaprogenium7276]

@@talasmanca Nice! Yeah its times like this where it is good to have a decent collection, my armies will be sharing their mmgs and howitzers for a while!

[@appendixpower5538]

Just ordered a Sherman V for my brits to field an armoured platoon...and may or may not have accidentally ordered a german grenadiers starter box too..whoops😜

[@scholaprogenium7276]

Hahaha I feel like I may be going through a clumsy phase, I keep accidentally falling and clicking buy.

[@Sam-xj2jv]

So I havn't heard about this, whats going on with the Stuart? Is it just with the new MMG rules and the possibility of MMG being favoured over it?

[@scholaprogenium7276]

Vehicle mounted mgs now get half get half shots, so a 6 shot mmg becomes 3. Cheers

[@VioletMoonMedia]

Hard Cover giving a 50% save is too much.... when shooting, it gave a -2, so a 34% modifier, so similar should be used for cover save, 6+ save for soft cover, 5+ for hard cover, both of these are modified by the Down 2 pips, to 4+ and 3+ respectivly. Similarly, if hit, they take a pin - the cover save is for casaulties..... shots hitting the cover remind troops to keep their heads down.... the new rules mean that you are more likly to hit and therefore cause a pin.

[@scholaprogenium7276]

Yeah at this stage I'm very interested to see how the cover saves play out, we could easily be miles off! Will it tie into veterancy perhaps? Will cover have any interplay with pins? Although we've tried simple modifier swaps from shooting to cover I wouldn't be surprised by a total rewrite!

[@VioletMoonMedia]

@@scholaprogenium7276 I don't think cover and veterancy will interact - veterancy is still the 'wound roll' target, so should still be modified by the soviet engineers armour and penetration etc.

[@talasmanca]

I mentioned in the last test play, that I think it will simply take the cover modifiers and give them to the defender to roll to avoid wounds, rather than the shooter rolling to inflict. If you have vets, you have base 5 or under to save, soft cover you have 6. Past that you might lose a man on sixes followed by sixes. But every 'hit' will still cause that pin. So units in cover are hard to kill, but basically easy to splatter cover with hits to pin them up fast and pin them behind the cover. Regular and green of course are a bit easier to kill as the base wound number is lower.

[@scholaprogenium7276]

@@talasmanca Yes we seriously considered swapping it to the damage roll for the 2nd play test, after reading your comment, in the end we didn't want to mix things up too much. You could well be right, bring on wednesday!

[@VioletMoonMedia]

@@talasmanca They are hoping to streamline shooting, so i doubt if the 'Magic 6's' will continue...also, your proposal dosen't make sense (to me) with regards armoured vehicles - the target rolls to avoid the hit?..... I think the core rolls will still remain - you roll to hit (modified by range and movement) any hits causing a Pin, roll to wound (vs. veterancy/armour, modifed by Pen & body armour) then the target rolls any applicable cover save.... we should find out on Wednesday....

[@zargonfuture4046]

Selling lots of plastic tank kits this version.... Going in the same direction as Games workshop rule derivatives..

[@scholaprogenium7276]

Unless tanks get a big buff then I don't think so! I don't doubt they have a warehouse full of mmgs that need shifting though! It's not my job to defend warlord, regardless we are enjoying the updates so far, the new platoons are a lot more fun!

[@Boltaction1944]

So do we know that cover saves come after rolling to hit AND wound? Seems like they are making infantry harder to kill

[@scholaprogenium7276]

@@Boltaction1944 No mate, to be clear we have seen cover saves in other printed rules, this is our "guestimated" format! We will post a video Wednesday afternoon with the full update, hope this helps!

[@Boltaction1944]

@@scholaprogenium7276 other than using base 3+ instead of 4+ you pretty much hit it right on

[@scholaprogenium7276]

@@Boltaction1944 Ngl I'm quietly pleased about that haha