NEW World's Fastest Car!

[@battles.digital]

I know Max said it wasn’t designed to be a hillclimb car… but I can’t help but imagine this thing smashing the Pikes Peak record.

[@LonnieHutchinson90]

Maybe the air is too thin to make the downforce needed to break the record

[@colinduncan1530]

@@LonnieHutchinson90 Yes, I'm sure that the downforce produced by the Spéirling would be reduced by the thinner air at altitude, but then the current record holder (Volkswagen I.D. R) produced exactly 0kg of downforce at the start line, so the McMurtry is already at an advantage. I reckon 7:30 is possible in this car. Come on McMurtry, records are there to be broken!

[@MrMuz99]

This thing creates it's Own downforce, 2,000kg from a standstill, apparently.

[@LonnieHutchinson90]

@@colinduncan1530 maybe! that would be awesome to see them go for the record

[@kentonian]

They could just fit bigger fans and run them slower at the bottom and build the rpm up as it climbs

[@vietnameseloempia]

This car and company is one of the most exciting things in automotive in the last decades. And such a skilled and well-spoken driver and overall great ambassador in Max. Literally anything on KZbin about this car, company, and team, I immediately click. What a blast!

[@alancobbin]

And It’s British 😉👍🇬🇧

[@CaptainKedah]

i hope it won't be a Lemon, like Most British Cars

[@gaycha6589]

Compared to James Dysons failiure to get his car project off the ground a few years, this is an amazing feat of engineering and design

[@gaycha6589]

How do you learn to brake with your left foot? I have tried it in my road car (GR Yaris) and it is difficult to get the pressure and modulation right compared to traditional right foot braking. I would imagine it would take a lot of relearning to drive. Would like to try this car though. Wow

[@gaycha6589]

@@CaptainKedahit’s expensive, niche and probably very profitable once in production. I imagine they will find more than enough wealthy customers who want the ultimate track toy, and probably already a garage full of other expensive toys

[@TheSummoningDark]

11:06 The Marshall at the front waves his arms as if to say “Wait… where’d he go??” 🤣

[@smiddlehurst1]

It’s the real life version of the looney tunes bit where the dust cloud stays in the shape of whatever just meep-meep’d its way to the horizon…

[@imliterallyjustjake]

It’s been such a long time since I’ve seen a car and constantly desired it and wanted to own one. I’ll never have that opportunity but I saw it once on video, and cannot stress how much I love this thing already

[@SundbyCPH]

Average speed at Goodwood was149,13 mph (@0:24) and max speed is 150 mph. Max speed for 99,4% of the run 😂. Sperling Pure with 190 mph top speed 🤯 Edit: It has come to my attention that the value @0:24 might not be the avg. speed as I would expect. The actual avg speed should be (3600/39.08)×1.16=106.85 mph=171.92 kph.

[@beanapprentice1687]

Absolutely mind boggling

[@philipplutki]

this cant be right, I calculated an average speed of 106mph, 149 is way too high

[@danielv9732]

Most likely the 149.13 mph is the speed at the finishing line.

[@jamm8284]

It does have turns that even a house fly has to slightly slow down for 🤣 definately didnt have that as an average. Just googled it and you might have looked on an ev site that even claims the first Mcmurtry has a top speed of 200mph and that the average speed was 149 Mph. A 1.16mile course done in 39 seconds is an average speed of 107.08mph

[@BtotheT-tz6vs]

Who did your maths, Jimmy Carr?

[@aarongreenfield6142]

Sub 1 million actually seems good value, especially compared to the 2+ million road hypercars you get these days.

[@srinitaaigaura]

Incredible value actually. Since it will totally hammer everything else around a track.

[@leehenry5764]

It's only a one seater car thou

[@aarongreenfield6142]

@@leehenry5764 that doesn't matter for a track car

[@Cokey96]

Other hypercars have more purposes than just track speed. They are mostly used for status items and will get you a nice entrance to wherever you will going to. That's not the case with this car. This is just a track car and apparently is just outright the best on it.

[@newolde1]

​@@Cokey96meh, I mean most schmucks that drive hypercars for status are hypernarcissists anyways, so it's fitting for them.

[@crfsikness]

Not only is it bad ass fast it looks amazing too! Such a sick unit!

[@AlbertLamarque]

If I had this as a commuter car I would either arrive at work much faster or back at home preparing for the next stint. What a machine.

[@alesksander]

I thnink i will tell my wife we need one for vacuuming the living room :P

[@daniellittle3249]

@@alesksander rip carpet 😂

[@Cloxxki]

To be sure: Formula E isn't even trying to provide performance. This thing at half power would WALK the FE grid, lap them a few times in a 45 minute race.

[@collinthomas6288]

It drives me nuts that Formula E is on a treaded tire

[@barath4545]

Aye, this thing can do 10 laps at Silverstone at full smack, so assuming it can hang with roughly an F1 car of today over those 10 laps then that is 84-90 sec per lap or 850-900 sec at full smack, or 15 mins. (This also means almost 3 laps of Nordschleife at 919 Evo pace, hint, wink, hint, nudge) A typical Formula E race is 27-32 laps of 2 miles (Portland/Rome 23) and without delays it takes 50 mins of run time for em. If this thing could do that in 30 mins if the drivers body can keep up (Just 30 mins after all), so a car swap midrace could provide that.

[@Fastvoice]

@@barath4545 He said "Silverstone National", not "Silverstone Grand Prix". So we're talking about a full pace range of only 16-17 miles or about 10 minutes. That's not enough for even 2 laps of the Nordschleife.

[@e2rqey]

Except there is no way in hell this is lasting a 45min formula E race.

[@Cloxxki]

@@e2rqey Won't last based on what? On going THAT HARD? Then indeed. But it's such a strong and larger battery, it had way more power to give over 45 minutes, and not really that much slowing down to do for corners. Formula E is about the slowest cornering series that is not street legal touring cars. Horrible tyres, no rear brakes, no meaningful downforce. The Spreirling could go 150 kph almost constantly around a "fast" FE track and barely slow down for corners. The fan would only be on full 23K rpm for the moments it corners and needs all the extra downforce. Cruising. Better than regen and accelerate is just coast and keep going faster. Air drag is probably lower on this one as well.

[@markc7556]

On the video watch the Marshal jump when the car just disappears from the start line. I remember watching it live and laughed so much. Having been a Marshal I’ve had a few moments like that in the past.

[@cscheid]

I must say, the new body work looks incredible, especially the exaggerated flare on the rear with those wheels, incredible

[@RandomCommenter-qu2oc]

It’s still kinda goofy imo but looks much better

[@JasonX2]

This things is absolutely mad as a bag of spiders. I love what they did with the track car, so this will be interesting.

[@reyalPRON]

they way he starts to pant when breathing as soon as max arrives is just precious? he becomes a small child and cant curb his enthusiasm like a professional. i love it! and he just keeps nodding as max speaks and fiddles about. top notch this

[@stevenluigi2702]

We need to see this back for carwow coz having raised the top speed to 190 it will kill the rimac and anything else even in a rolling race!

[@stevendavis6157]

Nope, it will still lose to rimac.

[@philipplutki]

​@@stevendavis6157it literally cant lose to the rimac

[@stevendavis6157]

@@philipplutki It literally did lose to a rimac go watch carwow!

[@stevenluigi2702]

@stevendavis6157 i did watch that and then it was limited to 150mph top speed ...so it was no good in the roll race , but now its been taken up to 190mph....so in the half mile it has a greater chance now unlike before! Remember 0 to 60 in under 1.5 seconds thats insane!

[@stevenluigi2702]

@philipplutki it can not loose in the half mile roll race ....having raised the top speed to 190mph...greater chance now!!

[@davidb6576]

Very nice to get the run description from Max. What an amazing engineering feat this car represents, hope I get to see one some day.

[@stevestogsdill5791]

Watching the video of this machine launch off the starting line at Goodwood it looked like someone just edited a still shot and a rolling full-tilt start. It was sitting there one second and the next it was rocketing past. It looked like the car hit top speed in the first centimeter. Unbelievable!

[@bDz416]

One of the rare moments where it literally looked like gaming physics...which is why it would be a beyond perfect fit for Forza Motorsport in particular. 😁

[@rdfox76]

My single favorite part of the entire run was seeing the marshal at the right front just make that "...the hell just happened?!" gesture as it vanished into the distance. When you've got people used to seeing F1 cars and nitromethane dragsters launching shaking their heads in disbelief...

[@stevenluigi2702]

Still cant get my mind around that!! Thing looked like a stabbed rat in the corners ! It boggles the mind!!

[@davidb6576]

@@stevenluigi2702 More like the Usain Bolt of rats, wearing sticky sneakers!

[@stevenluigi2702]

@@davidb6576 haha exactly

[@stainedsteel1]

"Squeaky-bum time" is my new favorite phrase!

[@dc6521]

if Top Gear comes back, I would want this put round the test track. Even if the show turns out to be mediocre as it has been since 2016, I'd still love to see this little thing smash records

[@Cloxxki]

Motortrend Figure Of Eight would be interesting as well. While bumpy tracks are not ideal, the right driver could probably lap this under a minute around Monaco.

[@CricketEngland]

If it’s not road legal it don’t go on the list

[@Cloxxki]

@@CricketEngland Fair point. It was announced to become road legal initially, though? Now they're all about the wider slicks. Perhaps they couldn't commit to the efforts of making it road legal? Would be fun to cruise this.

[@dc6521]

@@CricketEngland the new one is meant to be road legal I think. Not that it'd stop it from going round the track at all

[@rdablock]

Chris Harris driving this thing alone would be better than all old TG

[@barneyrubble9309]

CARWOW needs to get hold of this.

[@joebeus6886]

They did, and Mcmurtry lost against Rimac Nevera!

[@sylvaind.6786]

​@@joebeus6886just because of Goodwood short gearing, don't forget this part

[@joebeus6886]

@@sylvaind.6786 Yeah, but long gearing means worse acceleration! Don't forget that part! 😉

[@sylvaind.6786]

​@@joebeus6886long gearing: 190mph and 0-60 in 1,5 sec. Don't talk sh*t

[@joebeus6886]

​@@sylvaind.6786 Excuses, excuses, they raced, Rimac Nevera won, McMurtry baby batmobile lost! 🤫 Also Nevera won the rolling race! 😁

[@DPCcars]

Just picturing this beast tearing up Pikes Peak gives me chills! And pairing it with Misha on the Nurburgring? Pure adrenaline! Who else agrees? 👍🏎💨

[@Bones-g7i]

I don't think it has the range to complete pikes peak

[@siafaalvin2209]

@@Bones-g7i They said it’s good for 10 laps at Silverstone, which would be 58 miles. Pikes Peak is a bit over 12 miles.

[@richardaustin9491]

​@@siafaalvin2209thinks that's Km but yes would be very good to see it take on Pikes Peak

[@maisycreedracing77]

Those wheels are perfect 🤩

[@Einfach_Ghetto_TV]

But the car is ugly

[@suyogsawant1104]

​@@Einfach_Ghetto_TVOnly fr u man not fe others ..

[@e2rqey]

Dreaming of the day something like this is able to use high capacity, solid state battery technology. It's not a matter of "if" but when.

[@yungphaedra5946]

I agree!

[@seanc6754]

The launch is what rly blew me away..it was absolutely astonishing

[@davidbarnes6410]

Yeah it’s like there is an invisible rubber band like the cartoons lol

[@Cindarr1]

Not sure if i could stop my self from calling it a Mc flurry.

[@teslawizardvvv3]

Hell yeah brother

[@thegooddoctordeep]

They need a racing series with this car. Get some ex F1 drivers and put them all in the sam spec car over 30 laps and let them have it.

[@Fastvoice]

It can't do 30 laps of anything.

[@thegooddoctordeep]

@@Fastvoice according to McMurtry its got about 300 miles of wltp range and can actually do 25 mins on track at GT4 pace. Half an F1 sprint race.

[@Fastvoice]

@@thegooddoctordeep In the video they say it can do 10 laps of Silverstone National at full speed. Which is about 17 miles or 10 minutes. 300 miles WLTP with a 60 kWh battery (maybe 55 kWh usable) is just not believable.

[@maximborodyuk3773]

@@thegooddoctordeep 25 mins on track at GT4 pace is far from a compliment. Just for a moment: Absolutely insane tech-wise car could only do 1 (!) track session on a pace with highly-restricted 200k race-car, which is aimed for affordable w2w and not breaking any records. They're around 420-450 hp per 1350-1450 kg, close to zero aero and road car platforms. Why in the world would you want 1 million electric abomination to do this when you could buy GT4 car? To do few launches? What a value lol as if this car was made just for a 40-sec goodwood run... And in gt4 you don't need half a hour "pause" to continue driving. You could drive as long as you want. Missing 50% of a tracktime is not exactly "fun". Wondering what this car could do with proper engine.

[@Neojhun]

@@maximborodyuk3773 "Wondering what this car could do with proper engine." much slower. The way it covers ground is thanks to dual electric motors for each rear wheel doing torque vectoring.

[@miipa]

Dude that car looks incredible! Those deep rims on the new models are just 😍

[@MijinLaw]

Is it just me that thinks it's ugly as old arse? Still cant argue with the performance.

[@GR1MRACER]

So.... Buy 3 and have them prepped for raceday. Do 10 laps and go to the pits and change car. Do another 10 laps and then change to another car. Do 10 laps and now the 1st one is now charged up and ready to lap. Repeat.

[@EvoraGT430]

All for just £3 million!

[@Pouimatiom]

I think waiting 20 minutes after 10 laps will not be a problem for the people owning this car.

[@raphaelcury1399]

Those wheels fitment is just perfect

[@CountFisco]

I love how small and narrow it is. Brilliant for any racing series it would ever be entered into

[@eamonshields2754]

Absolutely Incredible Machine. Well Done.

[@Cavush]

It looks like a Hot Wheels toy car scaled up, it's epic!

[@thedj9553]

I hope that Jack Rix gets to be on Top Gear when they come back, maybe as a fill-in for Freddie if his injuries aren't healing fast or well enough. Paddy as the comic relief and Jack/Chris as the knowledge guys (with some comic relief from the other two) would be a great group of presenters.

[@FurryestX]

MATE, everyone wants THIS TopGear to Die for once, and bring back THE OLD Top Gear

[@thefxautopilot]

"Last of the Summer Wine on Wheels" @@FurryestX

[@davidmellish3295]

​@@FurryestXyou're so right, I can't watch Top Gear anymore, Clarkson, Hammond and May will always be Top Gear to most of us

[@Mark20b84]

I'd love to know how many laps of Silverstone it could do on the minimum fan and power settings. Would be a fascinating approach to electric car racing series, if the completely minimum settings allow, say 15 laps and everything on allows 8 then a 12 lap race could lead to some really interesting tactics for the drivers, making downforce/power compromises to save for the end of the race or pushing hard at the start to gain track position followed by heaps of defensive driving at the end to fend off the rest of the pack whilst conserving power.

[@jonasweber9408]

I agree ☝️ It’s already really interesting how they manage energy in Fe and the thermal management is crazy (if I regen in this turn my engine will eat more so I will have less power but more energy for the end of the race) and all of this is only available for the driver it’s crazy he has to make all those decisions himself

[@alannaramone3821]

This is the most insane thing ever made on 4 wheels . Further proof jim halls fan system was the way to go for ground effects its also the og ge system. This is only more proof that canam must come back! F1 and all racing minus dragging and jet cars needs this fan system. Top gear please do drag race with this and the 1000 plus horse power green ariel atom!!!!! Thank you Mcmurtry for doing this! Wow man game changer.

[@ducedevlstear2471]

Out of curiosity we need a track group test of Spierling, Supervan IV, Formula E (preferably all generations), Pikes Peak VW, Rimac, Lotus, that 9:43 chinese electric car and whatever else you can think of.

[@noodledude1190]

The Rimac Nevera beat the 150mph version of this car in multiple drag races, curious to see how it would handle a drag race against the 190mph Spieling Pure 😮

[@user-yq6ov6ow7l]

Yeah but it sure didn’t beat it to 150mph.

[@thomasmatewe]

Nürburgring lap would be epic.

[@The_Slavstralian]

For race applications they really need to make a hot swap battery unit so that 20 min is reduced.

[@GarageSupra]

Oh damm those concave wheels make it look SO MUCH BETTER! What a sick looking thing. And thats coming from a ICE 2JZ owner fanboy, this thing is impressive

[@grahamfil777]

This should be formula e

[@sresto7943]

Wouldnt it be cool to get the fastest lap of every track in the uk inc hill climbs, this is just an amazing show of what British engineers are capable of, well done 🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🏁🏁

[@collinthomas6288]

This is the most exciting new car. It being an EV is an after thought

[@EvoraGT430]

As exciting as a library.

[@didiglos]

Can't wait to drive it, on Gran Turismo!

[@koktinchee7167]

Gran turismo 7

[@DonLee1980]

I think he forgot that the F1 car record was broken by the modified pike peaks IDR race car.

[@rdfox76]

Not the official record. It broke it in practice, but under Goodwood's rules, it's only official if it happens in the Sunday afternoon shootout; rain on Sunday caused the ID.R to come up about half a second short of the record in the official run.

[@joshchacko7729]

6:52 Love that smile man.

[@SonicMarmalade]

Max Chilton is a brilliant salesman/brand ambassador

[@masterdinosawr]

It looks like a hot wheels cat proportion wise. Just looks funny. Like a toy.

[@dazzassti]

Can you imagine just how good the aircon and vents are on this 🤣 Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[@DayumSonny]

Alfred, get my checkbook.

[@DemarcusQ]

Imagine driving an RC car. That’s basically what this is.

[@tusharupadhyay4803]

This is straight up batmobile!!

[@Repentofyosins]

Wait a minute..... he was on the limiter for over 4 seconds 😮 that means he could have done a much better time without the limiter 🤯

[@crystalriver926]

So lap the field for 10 laps then watch the field go for 20 minutes and then get back in there!!! That's EV racing - EXCITING!

[@FuddButter]

"Less of a car, and more of a vacuum" is what I was expecting!

[@TheBadBunny87]

Literally the only ev that excites me. Pretty sure the tictac filmed off the coast of Virginia by F16's was a prototype of the McMurtry 😅

[@SKYLIMI]

It's not a car, it's a go-kart!!!

[@chrismathes3647]

Reminds me of the impact McLaren F1 had when introduced. Even non car enthusiasts find the technology, the beauty all very captivating!

[@DeGodOfTime]

6:16 your trapped in a little 15 hundred horsepower pod going 250kmh

[@_Everyone__]

So it drains the battery in 20 min or so, very useful

[@larrymansfield9393]

What a car! Beautiful piece of work.

[@timothydunn5889]

With acknowledgement to the late Mr Jim Hall of Midland, Texas, driver, engineer, imagineer and constructor of the Chaparral 2J fan car and the 2H venturi Indy car

[@iainriley617]

I would love to see a WEC variant to do Le Man's in the future McMurty Please

[@Chic-A-Dee]

Beautiful car, impeccable team, and a bargain price!

[@mattred3857]

I’d want number plates on mine! 😂

[@gametime2473]

I think this car smashes any record it wants.

[@spdcrzy]

It just occurred to me that this car is a perfect do-it-all supercar. This was designed to be a driver's car, first and foremost. You can dial the power up and down while keeping the fans off and ONLY using body downforce. That means this car can be anything from a 400hp single-seater sports car with a 60kWh battery and a loooong-ass range, all the way up to an F1-beating 1000hp fan car monster. So based on your skill level, you can safely start at a reasonable power level and learn how to drive with JUST grip, no downforce, and work your way up to that unique experience. And, of course, in terms of actual safety, this car is safer than anything else on the road. Truly. That's not something you'll find in any other car. And that alone makes this a relative bargain.

[@collinthomas6288]

Them talking about the crowd reaction brings a smile to my face

[@EvoraGT430]

The biggest shrug in history. Barely noticed it.

[@scottbogfoot]

Dreams of Flying cars in the past now replaced by dreams of The Vacuum cars of the future 😄

[@Satronaut-pw3ij]

They have to go for the Nurburg record surely.

[@onederment]

The obscession for speed. Luv it. So the old record was up for 10 years... what on earth was that and how many seconds did this car beat it by?

[@obsidian....]

Have to love Max, good lad

[@patrickbenjamin4]

You should have mentioned that the fan technology was made in f1 by Gordon Murray, who now builds super cars that have this technology with his company GMA

[@thewayisbetter4695]

Such a great racing guy (sorry for not knowing your name) for representing the company. Reminds me of Tiff and his explanation and know how about the car and racing. Do more reviews with different cars because I will watch. Blessings.

[@brianiswrong]

I would pay to watch a 6ft7"" tall 23 stone guy get in and out of that car😊

[@edratliff]

Bring back Clarkson!

[@whitewalker9622]

Would love to see a fiesta sized car for the masses with their thinking. It´s time for companys to make more extreme and cheaper cars.

[@F8Tributo]

Do they have a good looking model?

[@NarvikBand-t9i]

so if this car has 1000hp, which is 735.5kw and has a 60kwh battery, this thing can drive for 60/735.5 hours at full power, which is 4 minutes and 53.6 seconds, which is not an awful lot, and this is only if no energy through heat would be lost, but obviously, much energy is lost through heat. And then also, the sucking machine uses energy aswell, so at max output, you can probably drive for around 3 and a half minutes. Nice.

[@thedubwhisperer2157]

Well said that man! A heavy box full of charge can't compete with a tank full of hydrocarbons...

[@SoCalFreelance]

A great revision. Would still like to see a normal hypercar sized version (192″ L x 83″ W x 45″ H).

[@coolguy10060]

I think this think is the closest we'll get to the redbull x1

[@bDz416]

Forza, PLEASE! 🙏

[@1HDBIZ]

Oh god...can't wait for the next GoodWood FoS. And Pikes Peak.

[@cafe405]

Christ. The last time I saw Max, he was racing people carriers or airport vehicles, I feel a million years old all of a sudden.

[@thewaywardgrape3838]

The issue with the underside fan system is that no roads or tracks are perfectly flat. The break in the vacuum created is the downside of the system.

[@feederx08]

I bought the worlds fastest car when it was Enzo. Still happy with it! ❤ they recently factory restored it! The worlds fastest car is a pointless title that changes hands every few months now. I’m happy with mine, and beyond a certain point it becomes dangerous and uncontrollable.

[@TheLuminousOne]

I need this as a daily driver.

[@EmihleSibiya_144]

We need to see if this could beat a Laptop driven 3000HP Honda civic

[@mkera100]

😂😂😂 that would be smthing!

[@Leofred2000]

Pikes Peak next year? 🙂

[@patmer2087]

The AMZ racing’s “Mythen” would like a word in the 0-60 arena, please!😅

[@goodfodder]

Has to the most desirable supercar at the moment, look forward to some more records being broken

[@Mykytys]

It's nice to drive behind something like that when all the sand and stones fly towards your car's windshield.

[@reecebaksh576]

Old top gear>>>

[@CueVueTV]

WHO RIPPED OFF WHO? Ariel Hipercar, GMA T.50 or McMurtry Spierling???

[@jubjun]

The side view is stunning. Lean and mean. From the front it looks odd being a single seater. The space in between the tires looks to be as wide as the tire. Still mean looking

[@NoSenatorson]

Careful with this one. Mere mortals need to take this car seriously.

[@x444ff4]

Can someone help me understand the difference between a car equipped with a fan to generate tons of downforce versus the same car with added weight? For example, the McMurtry, which creates a permanent 2 tons of downforce-how wouldn't that affect its acceleration and deceleration?

[@rossbodenmann]

Subtle dis on the Hamster. Cold.

[@v_stands_for_value124]

Now tell me that thing is more exciting to drive than something like an Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint GTA from the 60s

[@PaddyMcMe]

The way I feel about this Speirling must be how people felt about the Mclaren F1 when it came out.

[@DARKORBITPYRO]

I keep wanting to get behind EVs, but there are still some major problems. 1. Cost. 1000 hp in an EV (especially if you build your own cars) costs are much higher than ICE. 2. Range, at the advertised 300 mile range from a 60 kWh battery, you would need to be driving very slowly round a track... 3. Battery weight and life span. No one wants to add range by increasing the weight. Or replace a battery after 4 to 5 years of use. My opinion is the technology is about 5 to 10 years away from being economical and practical to replace ICE (not addressing infrastructure support or power generation and distribution, demand increases). Until then... I'll stick with an LS7 engine!

[@EvoraGT430]

4. Blowing up.

[@ExclamationMarx]

1: Not sure what you mean exactly. Most cars I've seen with electric powertrains have more horsepower than similarly priced cars with piston engines. The new wave of super saloons with electric powertrains in the form of the Model S Plaid & Air Sapphire for example. 2: The range of 300 miles is probably when it's doing normal driving. Not being thrashed around a track. If you want to talk about passenger cars, the Air Grand Touring has done over 400 miles in every real world test I've seen 3: I completely agree with you on the weight. It's an unfortunate downside of where we are right now with energy storage technology. But I disagree with the "Throw them away after 5 years" idea that people keep spouting. It's not based on any data. It's a number that somebody pulled out of their backside once & kept saying. Bjorn Nyland on KZbin recently tested his 2013 P85 Model S & it still has 85% of its original capacity left. That's a 10 year old car now

[@ExclamationMarx]

​@@EvoraGT430There are roughly 130,000 Teslas in the UK but only 2 reported cases of a Tesla vehicle fire over the last 10 years in the UK. The data simply doesn't agree with you

[@DARKORBITPYRO]

@ExclamationMarx Hi there, I do not intend to be argumentative, just to have a dialog. The super sedans are great but cost over $100k (out the door) new or are within the $70 to $80s used. As a wrench monkey, I usually do not spend that kind of coin on cars and work in my garage to build a performance machine. The point I was trying to make was that I can go get a slightly used LS or Coyote, drop it into whatever chassis I want, make some minor engine modifications, boost, make some transmission modifications and be making 1000 hp very easily and less than $20k invested. I can't do that with an electric powertrain. I am building a fun car now, and I looked into a 1000 hp EV conversion powertrain. Tesla and Lucid won't sell you a kit based powertrain, so you're stuck buying a car and taking it apart for parts. An alternative as seen by the EV Dr. and EV West (and others) is to go down the Tesla LDU route. There are companies that will sell you a refurbished retro kit for around $50k that you can drop into your car but that again doesn't include everything needed to make the car run reliably and you will not be at 1000 hp (around 500 to 600). If you go the proper way through Cascadia, their stuff is built for motorsports, but it will cost you about $125k for the motor, battery pack, inverters, controls, etc. great solution, it's just too expensive at the moment. All I was trying to say was that the motorsports EV aftermarket needs to make strides in the next 5 to 10 years to provide competitive turn key packages to be competitive with ICE. Just not there yet, and neither is the utility infrastructure to support the increased charge demand on the electrical grid. With regards to the battery life, I would need to see published 3rd party testing to trust in the results. Something like a UL or ETL test protocol that cycled the battery pack in a test setting through test procedure and determined based on testing a large sample the expected life of the pack. A random KZbinr at home experimenting on 1 random sample that may or may not have been significantly used isn't evidence to me. I will agree that the next generation of battery (solid state) does show some major promise in research, but again, that's still a few years away. Happy to continue the dialog in a space of community and mutual learning.

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@@DARKORBITPYRO Completely agree on the aftermarket bit. Tesla's arrogance is astounding. They seem to share Apple's attitude of "We still own the product even after you buy it." Though you might be interested to know that the car the Tesla Roadster was based on was an electric conversion of a kit car built by a Ford engineer. And if you want some more data on battery degradation, Bjorn Nyland links to a spreadsheet he's made of every car he's ever tested for degradation including the miles they've travelled. There's some other stuff in that document that might interest you too like real world range tests