New Zipp 303 S: Carbon Wheels That Are Lighter, Faster & More Affordable?

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@gcn
@gcn 4 жыл бұрын
What do you think of the new Zipp 303 S?
@neo.4684
@neo.4684 4 жыл бұрын
It looks EPIC! It looks Fast!, And its Eye-Catching! Love it!
@G1installs
@G1installs 4 жыл бұрын
Where’s the link to the ax’s tyre pressure guide?
@gcn
@gcn 4 жыл бұрын
axs.sram.com/tirepressureguide
@G1installs
@G1installs 4 жыл бұрын
Global Cycling Network lovely. Thanks.
@dooglasii753
@dooglasii753 4 жыл бұрын
Need a Rim brake version. But I have to wonder if the rimset is compromised for climbing. Take a long climb for instance with more then 600+m elevation gain, an what is the resulting change in pressure if you run at max tyre pressure?
@10pound
@10pound 4 жыл бұрын
Man...that is very impressive.....I can't recall ever seeing sunny blue skys on a UK based GCN segment. j/k
@gcn
@gcn 4 жыл бұрын
Very rare indeed!
@youhewett
@youhewett 4 жыл бұрын
I have had my 303s for one week, overall very satisfied, good looking wheels, I'm running 64/60 psi, at first air was leaking, later after fluid dried, niceee. 😉, very soft and confortable
@Enzo575
@Enzo575 2 жыл бұрын
@Joie De Vivre Desi im using GP5000 S TR on mine. But you have to make sure you're using tubeless
@jrconcepcion4875
@jrconcepcion4875 2 жыл бұрын
What size your tires?
@Enzo575
@Enzo575 2 жыл бұрын
@@jrconcepcion4875 32cc
@Phaidrus
@Phaidrus 4 жыл бұрын
Love the Zipp tyres made in France by Hutchinson, one of the best bicycle tyre manufacturers. I've been running Yksion Pro UST tyres (branded as Mavic) for about three years now and I absolutely love them: fast, durable, very light, with tons of grip.
@SS-bk2zb
@SS-bk2zb 4 жыл бұрын
The old logo is much better!
@svfutbol20
@svfutbol20 3 жыл бұрын
This needs more upvotes
@forsnowboard
@forsnowboard 3 жыл бұрын
It’s not
@crimson177
@crimson177 3 жыл бұрын
It has to be 'stealth' to match the typical bland matte black frame
@Hambini
@Hambini 4 жыл бұрын
I reckon Zipp watch my videos. Thanks Mr Zipp. Love Hambini Aged 5 and a quarter.
@saml5073
@saml5073 4 жыл бұрын
New guy (secret Hambini subscriber): Right guys, I've got a fantastic idea - let's remove the dimples! Everyone else in the meeting at Zipp HQ: You fucking what?... Actually I think you're onto something
@nuttynut722
@nuttynut722 4 жыл бұрын
back to v shape and without the dimple, it faster than the 303? does that mean zipp themselves proving the dimple is marketing bs?
@astrayagrarian
@astrayagrarian 4 жыл бұрын
nutty nut yeah, pretty much everything is marketing bullshit
@COYSMike
@COYSMike 4 жыл бұрын
Hambini would agree with you about the marketing BS
@Digi20
@Digi20 4 жыл бұрын
i guess the dimple was marketing bs from the get go. but the wider rim, in conjungtion with the flat fitting tire may indeed get better aerodynamics than the old narrower rim, even with the simpler v-shape.
@CyberdyneSystemsSkynet
@CyberdyneSystemsSkynet 4 жыл бұрын
Everything sold to consumers is marketing. The dimples are legit but the speed you have to be going/gains they would impart is lower than marginal. Just like with these the lower weight and shape is BS, they're actually just saying they use a less rigid layup to save cost because most people can't generate enough power to flex a wheel anyways.
@nuttynut722
@nuttynut722 4 жыл бұрын
@@CyberdyneSystemsSkynet hookless are just cheaper to make, and they make it out sound like saving weight, it save more cost than weight
@johnpritchard1428
@johnpritchard1428 2 жыл бұрын
Steer well clear. I loved the performance of these until the hubs failed within a year due to serious water ingress. Sram laughed at my warranty claim. Crap seals aren't covered ... you have been warned. They've had lowish mileage, well cared for and my bike is stored on the wall in the living room ... they've been cosseted and still failed. The real issue though is the sram bullsh*t lifetime warranty claims
@christophery8927
@christophery8927 Жыл бұрын
Have these and did a Brighton to London trip. They just accelerated without pushing. Did 42mph down the hill!
@Tuslareb
@Tuslareb 4 жыл бұрын
Can’t use Conti GP5000 on those, because they require hooked rims. And I never understood the 28mm wide trend. It’s less aerodynamic and 25mm on latex tubes or tubeless has a very low rolling resistance and amazing comfort at the right pressures.
@Jeppelelle
@Jeppelelle 4 жыл бұрын
Less aerodynamic maybe is true but 28mm has less rolling resistance than 25mm & 28mm. 28mm GP5000 has as lower rolling resistance at 100psi than 25mm has at 120psi. So 28mm is faster & can be more comfortable than 25mm
@DonutEndurance
@DonutEndurance 4 жыл бұрын
I like how the “most affordable” Zipp wheels are still well outside of my price range.
@kinghadu9611
@kinghadu9611 2 жыл бұрын
Ican Aero only costs like $500 and works just the same
@JogBird
@JogBird 4 жыл бұрын
hookless design is to reduce manufacutring costs... the 73 psi limit clearly written on the side shows you the compromised design
@gcn
@gcn 4 жыл бұрын
Well 73 PSI for 28mm tyres is actually more than adequate
@phillentz6742
@phillentz6742 4 жыл бұрын
if your a skinny rider maybe lol
@MrTurbohampster
@MrTurbohampster 4 жыл бұрын
@@gcn who rides 28mm tyres on the road though 🤔
@rileyvonbevern4652
@rileyvonbevern4652 4 жыл бұрын
@@MrTurbohampster I do on my nifty hedjet wheelset @ 60psi :)
@MrTurbohampster
@MrTurbohampster 4 жыл бұрын
@@rileyvonbevern4652 fair enough, but I'm sure you will admit you are in a small minority
@jamestalkscycling
@jamestalkscycling 4 жыл бұрын
Food for thought, a contender for carbon wheels alongside Hunt when I get them!
@andrewmiddleton6782
@andrewmiddleton6782 4 жыл бұрын
My 303s wheelset developed cracks and bulges in the rear wheel rim after less than 3 months of road only use. Customer care suggested I'd abused the wheel and it was my fault before they'd even seen them. Very poor attitude and very poor quality. Lifetime warranty...only if they say so.
@mark13williams13
@mark13williams13 4 жыл бұрын
I can see the benefit for larger tires running low pressures but I am still not convinced by hookless for road use. Limited to tubeless only tyres and can’t run them at a greater pressure than 73 psi??? I would rather have the security of a hook so my tire doesn’t blow off thanks over a minor weight saving/aero gain. It seems like manufacturers are moving to hookless to save money in manufacturing costs.
@gcn
@gcn 4 жыл бұрын
All fair concerns, but 73psi is more than adequate for a 28mm tyre so hopefully that along with the wheels being disc specific should mean that there is no danger of a tyre blowout.
@glennoc8585
@glennoc8585 4 жыл бұрын
Heavy too at 28c tubeless.
@Digi20
@Digi20 4 жыл бұрын
you absolutely dont need higher pressures with such a wide tubeless setup. where a 28mm tubed tire at 5 bar (72psi) on a 15c rim will start to squeal with a 75kg rider, it will happily work with just 4 bar (60psi) on a 23c rim. here is the official tire pressure guide btw: axs.sram.com/tirepressureguide
@neil7769
@neil7769 4 жыл бұрын
@@gcn But presumably you can also run narrower, faster tyres..? Would the low pressure limitation still apply?? (sorry, maybe you covered this but I stopped watching at 1:35).
@innocentiuslacrim2290
@innocentiuslacrim2290 4 жыл бұрын
@@neil7769 narrower tyres are not faster.
@ViveSemelBeneVivere
@ViveSemelBeneVivere 4 жыл бұрын
Legend has it that Si's Rock is in the middle of that road to this day.
@CulturalCats
@CulturalCats 4 жыл бұрын
Did I just read a max pressure of 73 psi? Well I suppose half the pressure capability would reduce the weight.
@gcn
@gcn 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, although 73psi for 28mm tyres is more than adequate, so it makes sense
@glennoc8585
@glennoc8585 4 жыл бұрын
@@gcn if your 85kgs that got to be slow
@Digi20
@Digi20 4 жыл бұрын
@@glennoc8585 for 85kg and 28mm tires, they recomend something around 4.1bar (60psi). and yes, thats enough for such a wide tubeless setup. here is the official tire pressure guide btw: axs.sram.com/tirepressureguide
@neil7769
@neil7769 4 жыл бұрын
And if you're 65kg it's even slower, because you wouldn't want to be running 28mm tyres...
@joris818
@joris818 4 жыл бұрын
@@Digi20 wow 4.1! I'm 85kg and run my 28mm TL at +-6 bar
@mlegrand
@mlegrand 4 жыл бұрын
Si, did you do any of this b-roll filming? This is legit good film work! 👌
@gcn
@gcn 4 жыл бұрын
Yes Si shot it all! (but you should see the outtakes)
@mlegrand
@mlegrand 4 жыл бұрын
Global Cycling Network 😆 But seriously nice work! Good exposure. Nice work with the gimbal. Light flare 👌 There some nice work in here. Second career perhaps? 🤫
@MrZetChannel
@MrZetChannel 4 жыл бұрын
What's the point of ZIPPs without the 3 classic logos?
@CalebChapman12
@CalebChapman12 4 жыл бұрын
So the price went down because they outsourced from the USA. Can’t say I support this change.
@gilletteguy787
@gilletteguy787 4 жыл бұрын
They have downfall the quality i bought my first 303 Firecrest wheelset in 2012 with amazing swiss ceramic bearings and in 2019 bought another set disc version and when i look the bearings now are china made and with the same price.
@nuttynut722
@nuttynut722 4 жыл бұрын
just buy it from the factory directly, at least you can choose to not using the crappiest hub
@andresalfaro6849
@andresalfaro6849 4 жыл бұрын
most things you own are built outside the US, man
@ThorDyrden
@ThorDyrden 4 жыл бұрын
The "hockless invention" sound more like marketing, than real improvement to me. Listened to a podcast with Conti's product-manager for road-bike tires lately and he didn't seem so happy about hookless. Resume more or less was: rim-manufactureres like hookless as it's easier to produce hookless carbon rims, since the design isn't so complex, but it's very challenging to keep the tire safely on a hookless rim with the hight pressures you ride on road-bikes.
@mindgraphy_
@mindgraphy_ 4 жыл бұрын
Thorsten E. Gebuhr But that’s why tire pressures are dropping, also on road bikes. Wider tires and lower pressures are becoming more common.
@andrzejzielinski419
@andrzejzielinski419 4 жыл бұрын
@@mindgraphy_ I don't need heavy 28 mm tires. I weigh 67 kg.
@sirspankalottt
@sirspankalottt 4 жыл бұрын
What podcast was this? Curious to hear it :)
@marcuswong1797
@marcuswong1797 4 жыл бұрын
How have Zipp done it? Simple.. the new 303 S is manufactured in Taiwan.. the 303 Firecrest in USA.. there is your 2x price premium.
@marchwheeler5175
@marchwheeler5175 4 жыл бұрын
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@alexburr8271
@alexburr8271 2 жыл бұрын
I’d be interested in hearing more about these wheels you designed!
@izdavoi67
@izdavoi67 2 жыл бұрын
At 4:13 on the Zipp tyre the pressure rec. is 6,6 bar but on the Zipp wheels the max pressure is 5 bar !
@GreyDuck54
@GreyDuck54 3 жыл бұрын
Help... which should I get? Zipp303 or Roval C38 or another option... thanks
@chrispyy606060606
@chrispyy606060606 4 жыл бұрын
I’m confused...are they comparing these to the Zipp 303 FC tubeless? Or the Zipp FC non-tubeless wheels? I run the Zipp 303 FC TL wheels and they are fantastic with GP5K 28mm tires. If was in the market I’d consider the new wheels for sure. Would rather straight pull spokes though. Sad they changed the logo, the old logo is a classic.
@paultushingham6816
@paultushingham6816 4 жыл бұрын
I would very much like a set of those. If you send them to me i can test ride them for you and i promise i will send them back. 🤞
@shaldon08
@shaldon08 4 жыл бұрын
You hear a lot from the manufacturers about rolling resistance gains on wider tyres due to lower pressures from bumps in the road getting absorbed, but never about the energy lost that would be propelling you forward on high pressure tyres that is lost in downward compression of the softer tyre during the downward pedal stroke. I’m no expert but common sense tells me that needs factoring in the comparisons
@veloriderkm
@veloriderkm 4 жыл бұрын
I’d take the ENVE Foundation 45 instead. Better quality overall for a little bit more $$.
@8rk
@8rk 4 жыл бұрын
Maybe. But you have 0 facts to base that on.
@404nobrakes
@404nobrakes 4 жыл бұрын
Gurk E yeah not sure what “better quality” means in this case.
@veloriderkm
@veloriderkm 4 жыл бұрын
Gurk E how sure are you I have 0 facts?
@veloriderkm
@veloriderkm 4 жыл бұрын
Saurabh Kulkarni ENVE rims are still handmade in the US. Bearings are NTN. The wheels are assembled in the US as well. I’m not even an ENVE fanboy, I prefer my Reynolds or Bontrager wheelsets.
@404nobrakes
@404nobrakes 4 жыл бұрын
veloriderkm why does made in US mean higher quality? And you can swap Zipps to NTN bearings for a lot less than $300.
@mikeymike1792
@mikeymike1792 4 жыл бұрын
Zipp make tyres? I was completely unaware.
@gcn
@gcn 4 жыл бұрын
Yes they have for a few years
@hishmithvvardhan5809
@hishmithvvardhan5809 4 жыл бұрын
I thought they make pant zips
@iancanuckistan2244
@iancanuckistan2244 4 жыл бұрын
Most likely made by Michelin or Conti.
@markrushton1516
@markrushton1516 4 жыл бұрын
Or hutchinson
@Phaidrus
@Phaidrus 4 жыл бұрын
@@iancanuckistan2244 Hutchinson: made in France!
@glennoc8585
@glennoc8585 4 жыл бұрын
Can we have a real world test please. Two heavy riders say 85kgs, same bikes one with these wheels at 73psi 28c and the other with similar weight wheels but hook rims and 25mm outer a latex tube and 25c tyre at 100psi.
@gcn
@gcn 4 жыл бұрын
Well we're also very curious about Zipp's real world tests, so we've got a video coming soon which goes a bit more in depth with it :)
@glennoc8585
@glennoc8585 4 жыл бұрын
@@gcn that's what we need an evaluation.
@andresalfaro6849
@andresalfaro6849 4 жыл бұрын
geez! the wheels just came out and the whole world is in lockdown!
@fraofua
@fraofua 4 жыл бұрын
Hmm, perhaps I’m a little bit out of touch with new tech and tendencies (which I doubt, my TV has been in an infinite loop of GCN videos since this all stay-at-home thing started hahaha), but I noticed that the recommended max tyre pressure for those is capped at 73 PSI. That’s really low when compared to what I run on my Emonda SL6. Is it related to the specific capabilities of those new rims/tyres, or I’m I just doing tyre pressures wrong?
@talonlan
@talonlan 4 жыл бұрын
With an inner tube you need high pressures to stop pinch punctures. With tubeless you can run way lower pressures as there are no tubes to pinch, means you get a more comfortable ride.
@wan920614
@wan920614 3 жыл бұрын
This model 303s can use tubeless tyre only,right?
@ProfessorSteez
@ProfessorSteez 4 жыл бұрын
The new Zipp aesthetics 😬 I think they missed the mark on their new logo.
@minuteman4199
@minuteman4199 4 жыл бұрын
I'm only going 40 k an hour down hill with a tail wind. I want wheels that stay true and spokes that don't break.
@bluemystic7501
@bluemystic7501 4 жыл бұрын
Did your wife give you your youtube name? ;)
@damianhall4554
@damianhall4554 4 жыл бұрын
@@bluemystic7501 wadnt expecting that.......but it made me laugh out loud! Remember Minute man is also the name of an ICBM system...so watch out blue!
@jaspreetsidhu5708
@jaspreetsidhu5708 4 жыл бұрын
@@bluemystic7501 hahahaha more people need to see this comment.
@mpk2707
@mpk2707 4 жыл бұрын
Hell yah, give me a pair of wheels that look good on my bike that I can trust. With my carbon rims I have always had the problem that I would break the spokes when accelerating full tilt out of a corner.
@lukasgeukens4822
@lukasgeukens4822 4 жыл бұрын
you must be talking box section alloy rims, 24+ dubble butted j-bend spokes, cup and cone bearings, wide and tall hub-flanges...
@FRamirez1A
@FRamirez1A 4 жыл бұрын
So of my tire's pressure is 95-125 psi, do I need new tires? Do I follow the wheels or the tires specs? Thank you.
@ErikNygard
@ErikNygard 4 жыл бұрын
What is the clearance like with 28mm tires on the Aeroad?
@marcsim8276
@marcsim8276 3 жыл бұрын
Hi GCN, did you have any tyre/frame clearance issues with the 303s running 28 c tyres on that canyon aeroad?
@n.heroep2786
@n.heroep2786 4 жыл бұрын
so if you use tube inside, what's best the tire pressure should be, let's say for 50kg rider?
@cormac885
@cormac885 3 жыл бұрын
The OCD in me just wants the Zipp logos on the tyre and rim to line up😭
@evangossell1980
@evangossell1980 4 жыл бұрын
Roval C 38
@NexuJin
@NexuJin 4 жыл бұрын
I like the new Zipp logo. Nice vinyls gives atleast 100W power savings.
@andrewhingston2950
@andrewhingston2950 4 жыл бұрын
Will they bring these out to suit 700c Rim Brake setup?
@frankharradence732
@frankharradence732 3 жыл бұрын
they look good for my ordered and soon to be built Shand Stooshie gravel bike....either those or the Hope Five20....wheel set. I suppose the final choice will be down to price V my budget!
@all4outdoor738
@all4outdoor738 4 жыл бұрын
How many points of engagement do the hubs have?
@simonguard5087
@simonguard5087 4 жыл бұрын
Nice wheels really nice lawn.
@ppham
@ppham 4 жыл бұрын
how come canyon says you can't fit 28 on the Aeroad and you fit 28's with the 303s on here?
@champ2237
@champ2237 4 жыл бұрын
Must be hard work on your T-Rex arms, moving that big rock to hold up the bike.
@kaibrahim3023
@kaibrahim3023 3 жыл бұрын
Please do ride review of these wheels (Zipp 303s) and please do for both road and gravel! A lot of us are thinking of having this as the One wheel that can do all terrain!
@antonhelsgaun
@antonhelsgaun 3 жыл бұрын
They don't do reviews
@KemalPiro
@KemalPiro 4 жыл бұрын
They look really nice. It's a shame I've recently bought 1400's from DT, because I could save ~500€ (but you know... end of the season promo)
@daniellaw5680
@daniellaw5680 3 жыл бұрын
My Zipp 303S is filled with water after a wet ride. Anyone experience this? There is no drain hole on this wheel to remove the water. My LBS said i need to remove the tire and valve to remove the water. This means i need to refill the sealant after every wet ride. This is not a good idea..... $$$$$
@felipevazquez123
@felipevazquez123 Жыл бұрын
Gotta get one
@robert72292
@robert72292 4 жыл бұрын
well i dont understand why they follow dt swiss with tubeless... really i will miss tubular wheels from zipp... i think they try to sale wheel fro 10watts save but do they ride a bike? i ride more than 30K in a year and i ride 98% of time with tubular because tubular are the best for efficiency, grip, confort. with tubless or tyres u cant grip well when it's weat also when you climb high % and when you downhill. When you go 20sec faster in downhill 10km because of tubular vs tubeless how can they sale this? when you ride a bike you dont ride it straight and on flat. When you are racing you are in pack so you dont save really the watts, only if you are in breakaway or front of group... when you need to warning brakes and you loose all tyres surface or tubelesse in one warning brake i dont think it's worth at training. zipp have really good wheel, they have strong hub with low friction. they are affordable and thats why no tubular.
@magnusaasvikjohansen5160
@magnusaasvikjohansen5160 4 жыл бұрын
With the hookless design, you won't need rim tape for tubeless setup?
@lodvaessen
@lodvaessen 4 жыл бұрын
Will the front wheel fit if my forks are for 15x110 thru-axle?
@BikeLife154
@BikeLife154 4 жыл бұрын
They’re losing market share and have had to do this! There are so many better wheels out there for similar or less money! Soon all their wheels will be made in Asia just to survive.
@cjprimrose
@cjprimrose 4 жыл бұрын
"Tubeless only" printed on the rim. What do you do if you do get a puncture that the sealant fails to seal? That has only happened to me once and is why I still carry a tube just in case.
@gcn
@gcn 4 жыл бұрын
So it's for tubeless tyres only, you can still run them with a tube, it's just that non tubeless tyres won't mount safely on the rims
@JanTrenson
@JanTrenson 4 жыл бұрын
Here is the link to the tyre pressure calculator (couldn't find it in the description): axs.sram.com/tirepressureguide
@nickmannerings3574
@nickmannerings3574 4 жыл бұрын
Disc - who needs that
@gcn
@gcn 4 жыл бұрын
Well they're definitely getting more popular
@nickmannerings3574
@nickmannerings3574 4 жыл бұрын
Global Cycling Network I don’t understand why except the media keeps promoting them and making out that rim brakes don’t work. Crazy. Then some bike manufacturers stop making rim brake models because discs are more profitable.
@Digi20
@Digi20 4 жыл бұрын
the only reason they can be so wide and hookless is that they are disc brake specific. no chance of a rim brake version.
@jkk916
@jkk916 4 жыл бұрын
​@@Digi20 Do you say rim brake rims cannot be hookles?
@lannym
@lannym 4 жыл бұрын
@@jkk916 Here's the thing. I know people say cars and motorcycle rims are hookless, so there's no reason a bike rim can't be. BUT, those applications run much lower tire pressure, and the tires have crazy stiff beads Mountain bike rims, similar situation. Wide rim, wide tire, low pressure, hookless works. Now, road cycling, you're dealing with much higher pressures, and comparitively narrow rims. When you see the 73psi max on these rims, it's because tire retention goes to hell at about 80psi. That's the number that ETRTO uses as a max before a rim must have a hooked design. So, if you're going to limit the psi to 80 or below, the rim needs to be pretty wide, at which point rim brakes (and sometimes rim brake frames and forks) start to have clearance issues. So, you could make it, but there's not many applications for it.....
@robertwhyte3435
@robertwhyte3435 4 жыл бұрын
It's nice that all the weight comes off the rim... They would probably spin up faster if I had the power to notice.
@KoolBear1
@KoolBear1 4 жыл бұрын
Can these be used with Quick Release bike setup?
@standandeliver8376
@standandeliver8376 4 жыл бұрын
They sound great! Now I just need to buy a bike with disc brakes to put them on.
@yumyumhungry
@yumyumhungry 4 жыл бұрын
One question I have is how is the engagement on that proprietary hub? Those 18 point engagement hubs feel so bad.
@njl153
@njl153 4 жыл бұрын
When do you reckon they’ll release a rim brake version?
@jkidra
@jkidra 4 жыл бұрын
I think never, rim brakes are becoming histroy in road cycling as well.
@simon1234567ful
@simon1234567ful 4 жыл бұрын
Is this the aeroad or the canyon ultimate? 🤔
@XgenZeepee
@XgenZeepee 4 жыл бұрын
I like the old logo
@leedorney
@leedorney 4 жыл бұрын
I'm not understanding how a tyre can stay on a from WITHOUT a hook/lip and it's disc only, not that it matters to me as I'm not gonna shell out for a disc-bike when I'm happy with OLD-FASHIONED callipers, but if you ride disc I'm sure you may get execited about these..
@jacobtyburski818
@jacobtyburski818 4 жыл бұрын
Do you guys use strava?
@barefootdogwalker1402
@barefootdogwalker1402 4 жыл бұрын
Do these still have Zipps normal crappy bearings?
@jamesj6901
@jamesj6901 4 жыл бұрын
Sounds silly, but the old zipp logo looks so much better than the new one
@jonsmith5918
@jonsmith5918 4 жыл бұрын
So they dropped the price by moving production into a sweatshop, scraping all there previous designs (Such as dimples and sawtooth profile) and then inventing a new unit to cover it all up and purposefully avoiding the wind tunnel not for me thanks I’ll go with Hunt
@john-ry7oq
@john-ry7oq 4 жыл бұрын
Check out hambini, he did a review of hunt wheels. Apparently they did terribly in the wind tunnel, if that means anything to you.
@aauden
@aauden 4 жыл бұрын
Far East manufacturing does not automatically equal sweatshop...some of the most advanced manufacturing in the world is developed and carried out in the Far East. Also check out where your Hunt Wheels are made...
@bartdebruin6999
@bartdebruin6999 4 жыл бұрын
How did Si put 28mm tyres in an Canyon Aeroad? My canyon Aeroad can only do up to 25 mm
@gcn
@gcn 4 жыл бұрын
The disc brake Aeroad takes 28mm tyres no problem!
@FMACD1
@FMACD1 4 жыл бұрын
External rim width is 27mm, yet Zipp say it is optimized for 28mm. I assume Zipp has now abandoned the 105% rule along with the dimples. Marketing guys must be really really busy. Hambini called it.
@gcnot385
@gcnot385 3 жыл бұрын
promised Zipp that I would start commenting on the fact that these wheels suck up water and in even light rain (puddles), become scary to ride fast. And there is no easy way to get rid of the water stuck in the rim even days after riding {you can spin the wheels and bump on the ground for a couple of hours - 80% effective), but really? Others suggest breaking down the wheels/tires and remount, but that's nuts, and you can never wash your wheels.... or worse yet, have to stop to check wheels for water before descending at high speeds if there are any corners Yes, they will drill holes at their factory which is at least something (you have to ship back to Indiana with questionable results and who wants to go without a bike for weeks with a potentially questionable hack).....Granted the new production has holes drilled in but this is a big defect and should be replaced. I might never buy a Zipp or SRAM product ever again. Now for the good part - I really liked (as in past) these wheels and for the $ cheaper performance than their NSW or other exotics. They ride smooth, easy to install hookless, tubeless approved tires (get a booster pump), and the lifetime warrant sounds good, maybe not for design defects though. I've ridden about 2000 miles, and tubeless 28s is the way to go (4 punctures sealed with mucoff sealant). That said, if I had to do it again, I would probably spend even more money for wheels that don't act like sponges.
@airgead5391
@airgead5391 4 жыл бұрын
It seems that Zipp follows ENVE's AR series. I just bought a few days ago the 3.4 AR from ENVE, glad I did, else with the new Zipp I would have problems to justify it haha!
@404nobrakes
@404nobrakes 4 жыл бұрын
Airgead you mean the foundation? AR is way more expensive.
@ahall3823
@ahall3823 4 жыл бұрын
Where is the tyre pressure calculator link?
@sprice0609
@sprice0609 4 жыл бұрын
I find the performance gain claim interesting on two fronts. 1. You would need to complete the same test for the 303 Firecrest that they are now using. Is this where the 10w @ 40km/h comes from in comparison to the 303s? 2. What is the comparison between these two tests for the 303 Firecrest? All testing requires a benchmark, and I think the cynical view of marketing bs is formed by the lack of transparency between the two test and the two products. Would love GCN to challenge Zipp on these questions to prove their own independence
@RickRubinesque
@RickRubinesque 4 жыл бұрын
Just a thousand pounds then? Oh, why aye! I'll get a spare set as well lol
@joer.k.5418
@joer.k.5418 4 жыл бұрын
Zipp and enve in survival mode : on.
@8rk
@8rk 4 жыл бұрын
Unlike others, I love the new logo etc. But the performance increase over the older wheels is obviously bs and marketing crap. as usual.
@Beeklaan214
@Beeklaan214 4 жыл бұрын
Nice !
@reginaldscot165
@reginaldscot165 4 жыл бұрын
In previous GCN videos they said 25mm tyres were faster because they had lower rolling resistance. In the same video they said moving to a 28mm tyre would be slower because of the Aerodynamics. Then when they did the video on building the fastest bike they could they used 23mm tyres because (yes you guessed it) the Aerodynamics are better and they roll faster... now in this video we are told 28mm tyres are faster because of rolling resistance and Aerodynamics? So why not take it to it's logical conclusion and put fat bike tyres on it? You now see why I tell people not to trust what GCN say, they just read the script...
@darrylhuculak4996
@darrylhuculak4996 4 жыл бұрын
It's not just the tires but the tire and wheel combination. The new wheel science focuses on not just the tire but the interaction between tire and rim. If a wider rim can be lighter and more durable, then chances are it will be more efficient with a wider tire. Personally I noticed an improvement a few years ago when I switched from running 23 mm GP4000 at 110psi to 25mm at 100 psi on the same cheap aluminum rims. Faster speeds, smoother ride, and fewer pinch flats. However moving up to a 28 or 30 mm tire (assuming my frame allows it) on those same rims would probably not give me the same improvements because that's not what they were engineered for.
@ridewithgae1467
@ridewithgae1467 4 жыл бұрын
You can buy very high quality carbon wheel at best price, Zipp is very expensive.
@gcn
@gcn 4 жыл бұрын
These are more affordable than their previous wheels and Zipp have a great reputation for quality products, so they if they're as good as Zipp claim they're sure to be a success
@glennoc8585
@glennoc8585 4 жыл бұрын
@@gcn hmmm the 30s had lots of hub failures on forums.
@saml5073
@saml5073 4 жыл бұрын
So if I wanted these for a 23mm or 25mm tyres then they're a waste of money?
@mindgraphy_
@mindgraphy_ 4 жыл бұрын
Sam Livingston Advised tyre widths: 25 mm / 28 mm / 30 mm / 32 mm / 35 mm / 37 mm / 40 mm / 42 mm / 47 mm / 50 mm / 55 mm. But they are optimized/measured for best performance with 28mm tires.
@jaredfontaine2002
@jaredfontaine2002 4 жыл бұрын
Need a rim brake version...
@stephenang499
@stephenang499 4 жыл бұрын
The rim brake track would increase the cost of manufacturing. Hence the reason why this lower cost wheel is disc brake only.
@farrier53
@farrier53 4 жыл бұрын
No you dont! Not at that weight & build, not enough material at the rim to allow for thhe rim heating-up on breaking...etc.
@showlowitsqueentlee2737
@showlowitsqueentlee2737 4 жыл бұрын
Tubeless ONLY? So, if I get a flat the sealant won't fix I can't put in a tube? I'll pass.
@magnusdagbro8226
@magnusdagbro8226 4 жыл бұрын
You missed the part where he said you can still put a tube in your tubeless ready tyre.
@showlowitsqueentlee2737
@showlowitsqueentlee2737 4 жыл бұрын
@@magnusdagbro8226 Sorry. I guess I was confused. I read on Velonews... "If you’re a neo-traditionalist who loves clinchers-with-tubes, you’re out of luck - these new wheels can be set up with tubeless tires only."
@Digi20
@Digi20 4 жыл бұрын
@@showlowitsqueentlee2737 they reccomend tubeless tires for the hookles rims, because they have tighter tollerances and wont blow of the rims. you can, however, of course use tubes in those tires.
@DanTuber
@DanTuber 4 жыл бұрын
How does the tyre stay on if there's no hook?
@WesD85
@WesD85 4 жыл бұрын
Can I convert my bike from rim brakes to disc brakes to get these wheels?
@nhug5674
@nhug5674 3 жыл бұрын
does anybody know if the new 303's fit in to the canyon aero 2018 frame with those 28mm tires? canyon says no....this video looks like a yes 🤔
@allanboult
@allanboult 4 жыл бұрын
I stopped watching when my BS meter started bleeping, Holistic real world testing, Whoops, there it goes again!
@langun2
@langun2 4 жыл бұрын
#askgcntech Hey Ollie, have you tried the Sram AXS tyre pressure calculator yet? Is it just me or do they indicate VERY low pressures for road bikes?
@GC_420
@GC_420 4 жыл бұрын
Even though sponsored, this was still 'objective enough' by keeping to facts. Thanks for that! It would appear Zipp has been hearing the chirps from a certain engineer on the youtubes. About time.
@gcn
@gcn 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks G C we always try to remain objective as much as we can :)
@fast.biking_freddy
@fast.biking_freddy 4 жыл бұрын
The legendary 5 year old
@wyzo
@wyzo 4 жыл бұрын
A bit late to see the video. Bottom line, great wheels . Petty about Specialized and their SCS version of diverge ( my case ), as this wheels have the potential for “budget graveling”
@chemistry9942
@chemistry9942 4 жыл бұрын
welp there goes my savings again
@AC-wq7fo
@AC-wq7fo 4 жыл бұрын
Between Hambini and Durianrider I done gone and saved me a whole lotta £$€ at 40kmh.
@RYTHMICRIOT
@RYTHMICRIOT 4 жыл бұрын
I've been wanting a set of ENVE rims for some time but I just can't bring myself to spend the type of money that they demand. Mavic on the other hand, well I just don't dig em. These could be an acceptable compromise.
@enriqueDFTL
@enriqueDFTL 4 жыл бұрын
I'm still riding 23mm tires.....
@esakhwaja8592
@esakhwaja8592 4 жыл бұрын
same, and to be honest skinnier tires always looked cooler
@antonsegers5507
@antonsegers5507 4 жыл бұрын
Do 28mm tires fit on the backwheel of the aeroad??
@gcn
@gcn 4 жыл бұрын
Good question, they should do, hopefully Si can let us know
@antonsegers5507
@antonsegers5507 4 жыл бұрын
@@gcn I see a 28mm in front, but canyon itself said 25mm is the max size
@iancanuckistan2244
@iancanuckistan2244 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent question. My Masi will fit a 28 in the rear but only a 25 on the front and even that is close to hitting the fork.
@spinspinbaby1531
@spinspinbaby1531 4 жыл бұрын
2017-latest model should be fit to 28mm (rear) I use 2019 chinese aero road frame with 25mm tire and there's like 7mm space left
@febrianihsan1962
@febrianihsan1962 3 жыл бұрын
I also have aeroad and using this 303s with 28mm tyre both front and rear and its work perfectly
@immaculatepointless
@immaculatepointless 4 жыл бұрын
Still quite expensive for generic Chinese rims with about the crappiest hubs out there. Without real data published to support their aerodynamic efficiency, there's no reason to get them instead of no-name wheels which cost half the price.
@nuttynut722
@nuttynut722 4 жыл бұрын
for the same price, I can sure we would get much better deal at farsport or lightbicycle or whatever, I'm pretty sure they come from the same factory anyway
@shazbarlas7799
@shazbarlas7799 4 жыл бұрын
Need that tech on racing motorcycles wheels.
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