Newark Ohio Fire Department 2 Alarm Commercial Structure Fire Incident Command with Audio

On May 28, 2018 at 0811 hours, Newark Fire Department responded to a report of a commercial structure fire at Granville Milling Company at 145 N. Cedar Street. The building consists of three buildings connected together that has a drive-thru bay, supplying various feed supplies. You can see the Google view here www.google.com/maps/place/Gra...
The building was closed due to it being Memorial Day. Heavy smoke was noted upon arrival of fire units. The initial commercial assignment was 4 engines, 2 ladders, 3 medic units, and battalion chief. A fourth medic and battalion chief also responded with personnel that was just getting off-duty. A second alarm was requested, bringing an additional 4 engines and 2 ladders.
The fire was located in the south building and mostly involved bagged feed material on racks. The fire was contained with two 2.5 inch blitz lines and two 1.75 inch attack lines. One cat perished in the fire as well as undetermined number of chickens. No firefighter were injured.
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[@David-bv3cf]

This is probably my favorite channel on KZbin. Chief Decker has a calm but in charge demeanor that all chief officers need to have. He gets the job done, and does it very efficiently. I always can't wait for the next one.

[@carlloar7524]

David Prince u can say that agian👍😊

[@MsFiregal8]

David Prince "chief Decker has a calm demeanor...and gets the job done" ...Well worth repeating. Please keep up the excellent work and great videos, sir, and stay safe. Retired fire Capt of will years here

[@commandvisionfire]

Glad you made it to retirement. I'm looking forward to getting transferred to the retirement shift.

[@markwillcox720]

Chief Decker, another awesome display of professionalism as usual !!! You and your firefighters make me proud and help me to remember the good times of days gone by as well as keeps me proud to remain a brother!!! Thanks to you and your department for all you'll do and mean to your community as well as the brotherhood !!! Again God bless you'll and God continue to keep you'll safe ! Keep up the awesome videos, Chicago Fire dosen't have anything on you brother ! I think A&E should do a series on Live FD with Chief Decker and Newark Oh FD??? I'm sure you'll will find you already have a fan base !!

[@garycooper9963]

Very poor leadership

[@rjrestorationstation4402]

Another efficient operation. Chief Decker presents the way structural firefighting should look and sound.

[@prjndigo]

3/4 of the job was handled by the proper methods of warehouse management.

[@samfronek79]

Chief, you run the absolute smoothest scenes i have seen for smaller multi agency responses i have seen in almost 20 years of doing this. It would be a pleasure to work for you. I hope your guys understand how fortunate they are. Stay safe and please keep passing your knowledge down, the new generation desperately needs it

[@commandvisionfire]

You are absolutely correct. It is our job to train the next generation so they can do just as good of a job or maybe even better.

[@bloomy671]

Love your command skills, training, and structure. Assignments, assignments, assignments, no freelancing, and you check on your crews. Awesome job!

[@commandvisionfire]

Thanks.

[@scootz40]

By fair the best learning tool for firefighters, watching a great Fire Dept do the job, do it well and best of all... do it SAFE! everyone goes home at the end of the day! Chief Decker thank you for sharing your Fire Dept... the “inside the command post” style videos are awesome. Stay safe Brothers/Sisters!

[@commandvisionfire]

Thank you sir.

[@MarvUSA]

Great Videos Chief. I like your calm observations and command instructions. As a retired FF, I can appreciate all of this. For those of you worried about PPE for those standing outside of the building, don't be clueless please. The FF's outside of the building do have a brain and they do know what they are doing. Thank you again Chief.

[@cjm3801]

It would be an honor to fight fire under your cool, calm and collected command. I’ve never witnessed a chief with such a willingness to not only learn from your experiences but to share those experiences for everyone else to learn from as well. You sir, are everything fire service should strive to be. Stay safe.

[@Craigs_car_care]

Really nice work chief solid job. Recognizing the potential hazards of a closed up metal building with delayed water on the Fire. Very good job taking care of your crews.

[@davidstapleton1490]

I have watched several of your videos. You take control of the scene with the 360 and great communication! Your units are well trained and individuals seem to understand what is needed without delays. Your overall safety is very high and all of you make your community shine. Thanks for a great job!

[@commandvisionfire]

David Stapleton Thanks

[@brucewayne7970]

David Stapleton yes but they did not save the animals and why not?

[@commandvisionfire]

@@brucewayne7970 The chickens were dead on arrival. They were caged in the fire room.

[@davidstapleton1490]

Bruce Wayne, First of all, I love animals. I have been on several fire scenes where pets are involved. You always have to put your firefighter's safety first. Everything else including possible rescues of people or animals have to be second. Looking at this video, I see a large building with metal walls and a metal roof with little support considering the large square footage. The fire has not vented which means that there is a lot of heat build-up inside exposing the metal walls and roof. I would not send crews inside without making sure that the roof and walls are stable. If animals were inside, (which according to David Decker, there were animals inside), the amount of smoke, heat would have already taken their toll before firefighters arrived. You have to coordinate the venting and extinguishment along with possible rescue on all situations after proper size-up and strategy of attack. Communication is always the key in any fire situation. Nothing is routine and you always have to be thinking ahead to keep your people safe while fire and rescue situations are being conducted. I have been successful with pet and people rescues and I have not been successful with pet and people rescues. Looking back on my career in those situations, I can say that I did the best job possible at the time and that was all that I could do.

[@davidpayne4315]

Thank you and God Bless to all first responders YOU ARE GREATLY APPRECIATED

[@Barefoot0Walker]

to all you armchair firefighters who want them to breach the door right away and rush in: that sort of improper technique is what cost six firefighters’ lives in worcester, ma, in a cold-storage building that should’ve been torn down years before! here, the crew, under chief decker, did everything right. no human casualties, and fire contained with most of the structure saved. as he stated in the comments, the animals were dead before the crew arrived. for those who wonder why the building owner was not contacted, it says in the intro that this was mem weekend! most likely they were out of town! read before asking, people!! one thing that i’m not clear on: why the second strike? it seemed that the crews on hand were doing fine. congrats again to the nfd and chief decker on a fine job and wonderfully informative video!

[@AlphaSaber]

it also sells animal feed/grain, so it could be filled with flammable grain dust. Last thing the firefighters want is to get a face full of grain dust explosion.

[@corycollier]

While not a firefighter Myself, I have been through My town's Citizens Fire Academy, and learned a few things about Fire Ops. Lot of times they strike a 2nd Alarm for extra man power, which prevents the crews from getting worn out and potentially hurt, and also helps make overhaul a bit easier.

[@corycollier]

@@AlphaSaber very good point, too!

[@firemedic542]

I’ve been following this chiefs videos for a few years now. As a blue shirt and now a new lieutenant, these videos help so much. I appreciate how THOROUGH the 360’s are. Such a strong command presence and attention to detail all the way down to air consumption of inside crews. The level of care and concern is so apparent. Please keep these videos coming. Thank you!

[@commandvisionfire]

Thanks.

[@toddvanscoy5652]

Chief Decker, excellent videos! I hope others in our business have learned as much as I have about sizing up properly and ensuring the "360" is complete. You guys at Newark are on top of it, guys hoping off the rigs and going to work asap in a controlled manner. Good so see the multiple aid companies working with all of you on the bigger fires. Stay safe out there!

[@ArchTeryx00]

To quote the old movie Backdraft, "I hate it when we f*cking gotta go look for it." This was a weird and potentially explosive fire. Metal structure, heavy smoke, hidden fire, in a feed and milling facility. That means dust and heat trapping - a dust explosion or flashover just waiting to happen. Add a barbed wire fence, outbuildings also on fire, lots of stacks of wooden pallets, a malfunctioning saw... I don't blame you taking a more cautious approach to this fire. This is the kind of situation where it's *real* easy to end up with firefighter casualties. People complaining about '20 minutes to water on fire' aren't having to pick through a warehouse full of smoke, dust, pallets, and fuel to actually find where the goddamn fire IS. Once the actual seat of the fire is located, THEN things move very smartly forward. Dealing with a situation with this many variables is tough. You did as good a job as could be expected given the circumstance, and I learned a lot about how firefighters deal with weird fires like this.

[@timothybarney7257]

And to those who would then suggest hosing down everything as you go, a lot of feed products are sold in paper bags which could potentially fall apart when soaked, leaking product all over the place and potentially cutting off access routes under mounds of feed or making footing treacherous for those operating in low/no visibility.

[@shanebranin7735]

At the beginning of the video it looked like something exploded out of the front video very big puff of black smoke you may be right

[@chuckbarronii9736]

Chief Decker... Just came across your videos... These are very well run fireground ops... Thank you for posting these for training purposes... We will definitely use these and learn from them...

[@commandvisionfire]

Thank you. Stay safe.

[@commandvisionfire]

I have opted to allow commenting so that people can ask questions or make comments/observations. Please keep it respectful. Most of us are here trying to learn. If you are disrespectful I will block you.

[@brucewayne7970]

David Decker why did you not call the owners be for damaging a very expensive. Over head door they could of open it that would have save some insurance money and you wonder why insurance cost so much I sure the power was still on don't they know how to use the up button I know you had to ax the window door but to saw down the roll up is kind of a waste

[@brucewayne7970]

David Decker what caused the deadly fire that killed the animals and where were the animals at in the buildings

[@commandvisionfire]

@@brucewayne7970 It's not as simple as just walking in and hitting the button. Interior crews were reporting high heat as zero visibility. So finding the button in those conditions is like finding a needle in a haystack. And changes are the heat had either destroyed the opener or shorted the wiring up the opener.

[@commandvisionfire]

@@brucewayne7970 The cause of the fire was shorted electrical wiring. The animals were dead when we got there. There was no saving them.

[@brucewayne7970]

David Decker was there fire alarms in that building and I thought all firemen are suppose to sacrifice their life to save others 1st and up most that's why they get paid by by taxpayer dollars just like cops have to put their life on the line all fireman know that that job is very dangerous but that's the life of the job they chose so that's why they should be highly insured to so their families will be well taken care of in the event that they die

[@blakefleming3163]

Excellent videos Chief, thanks for putting yourself out there the training that can be gained by these videos is huge. One of my favorite channels keep up the good work. Stay safe.

[@robthetinmang1455]

Chief Decker, I always enjoy your videos because your incident command runs like textbook IC courses. I have been an EMT and also volunteer with CERT and have done both ICS 300 and 400 and often get placed as IC during drills. Your IC skills are phenomenal and should be study cases for all people in officer positions!! Thanks for sharing all of these videos!!?

[@davidtyndall9604]

Once I got inside I would throw that saw into the hottest part of the fire and swear that I had no idea how it got there.

[@commandvisionfire]

Thank you for the laugh. I needed that.

[@geoffhirsh2402]

Thought the same thing!😎😎😎

[@davidtyndall9604]

@@geoffhirsh2402 I have chain saws that are just like that, at times...LOL

[@JPF941]

@@commandvisionfire in all the videos I've watched of your crews and equipment this is the first where there was an issue with some equipment that was obvious. Kudos to the crew for sticking to it, and then saying they needed another.

[@dylanpeck8543]

Must be a Stihl

[@austinmiller3497]

God bless our first responders thank you for your service and helping out the residents of Newark Ohio

[@kcgunesq]

As someone who watched Emergency! as a preschooler, I hope they never completely get rid of the alert tones.

[@Barefoot0Walker]

i liked “emergency!”. they always had some interesting encounters. one of the most memorable ones was when a car had overturned, and some idiot was using a cutting torch! needless to say, a conflagration resulted.

[@MrLordwrecker]

Preschooler lol. I watched it as a 8 or 9 year old.

[@kcgunesq]

@@MrLordwrecker I enjoyed watching it again as an adult with my young children when it was on Netflix.

[@timothybarney7257]

@@Barefoot0Walker I think that was the accident on the movie set where the car wrecked during a chase scene. The torch ignited leaking fuel from the car explosively, "killing" both trapped occupants and leaving the guy operating the torch with severe burns on his back if it's the episode I was thinking of.

[@Barefoot0Walker]

@@timothybarney7257 i think you’re correct. i don’t recall all the episodes that well.

[@ThatCigarGuy]

For those who noticed after Rescue 1 got on scene...Gotta start those saws and run them at the beginning of every shift. Never know when they might be needed..

[@promedic92]

thought it ....didn't say it ...... Time of fire should have been as EQ check was going on

[@ltthomas114]

We had only been on shift for five minutes. The off going shift was pulling their gear off the trucks when the call was dispatched.

[@rjrestorationstation4402]

Larry Thomas Been there, Done that...Kinda like a Chinese fire drill...🧐👍🚒

[@commandvisionfire]

And as luck would have it, Monday is small engine day at Newark. So we would have had all of the saws off and running if this fire would have waited a couple of hours. That's why you always have a plan B.

[@ThatCigarGuy]

Thanks for replying Chief. Just an observation. I'm not saying your department did anything wrong at all. It can happen to anyone. Btw I really respect the calm direction and decisive decision making for your guys in your videos. A true professional. Stay safe.

[@Texan317]

Good to see another video by you chief! Would also be great to see a helmet can of your command when on scene, just a thought. Great sense of command, you and your men keep up the great work!

[@chuckroelofsphotography]

Chief, you are the kind of leader that I would love to be serving with

[@firemedic542]

I second this. A true leader.

[@kylesargent7614]

One thing I must say. As a former firefighter. Chief Decker is one man I wish I could have worked with with. Smart and aggressive but always played safe. Must say probably one of the best I have ever seen

[@edfelts9299]

Always a well run fire ground with this department. Great communications and aggressive fire attack as well. Obviously well trained as well. Not sure weather career or volunteer department. But they are to be commended. Stay safe brothers.

[@pirox2720]

@david decker could you possibly do a walk through of your station?

[@7089540230]

Keep up the great work Chief Decker & Your Crews TS

[@7089540230]

freedom Procter open your eyes Jackass He does an outstanding job in Command

[@bobkoncius7381]

is he taking command...yes! Is in a position to see much of fire scene...Yes! Did you want the Chief to man a hose or rip an opening into bay door...NO, wise up please lets not play back seat Chief!

[@Ramseylove]

nice work David Decker

[@geneshogsheadcheese307]

Chief you sound like Nicolas Cage lol great job as always

[@johnmarston459]

Love your videos chief. Upload more often!

[@FireTech7]

This place has got to have an automatic sprinkler system for the fire to go out that fast

[@promedic92]

chief will you put up a 2nd part to this? Was just getting good when it ended ......

[@commandvisionfire]

The video recorder (my old cell phone) clicked off after 31 minutes and I didn't catch it. You aren't actually missing much. E-3 had bumped up to the attack line and the smoke started to lift, and they reported that the fire was out aside from some hot spots. I conducted a PAR check and contained the fire. I sent the balance of the second alarm to our Station-1 to cover the city until we were able to start putting some units in service. But sorry about that.

[@promedic92]

Gotcha ..... thanks for the reply ....... Did I see a post about you retiring? If so enjoy! (I will miss your videos ... quite possibly the best fire command videos on you tube)

[@Barefoot0Walker]

@@commandvisionfire damn technology lets you down sometimes! but great video anyway.

[@davidhoekje7842]

Remarkable videos. The radio traffic is very informative. It's interesting to see the priorities and how crews position and get ready while they wait for water.

[@commandvisionfire]

Thanks. That is why I post the videos. Hopefully somebody can learn from what they are seeing.

[@joebledsoe257]

Those danged 2 cycles engines on all the tools should be started twice every day and again before a run wouldn't hurt.

[@mustanger041]

I love how they showed up and got right to work there was no delay at all. love it good job.

[@donnierobertson3088]

Great job

[@KeithDiSarno]

@14:52 Y'all are saying "west" and "rear". No Bravo/Charlie designations? @17:12 Wouldn't that man door create another flow path? I'm still learning, so I watch these videos to make sure I understand the concepts and practice thinking ahead. Chief confirmed no water on the fire (@17:20), no charged line/team ready for entry through the door, and door being left open. Am I wrong to conclude that it may not have been the best thing to open the man door at that time?

[@commandvisionfire]

Yes we use Bravo/Charlie designation. I just wanted to confirm since I was set up on the corner of the building. And you are correct, any opening is going to create a flow path. I don't think they anticipated the door was going to be that easy to open. Opening the door is appropriate so long as you are prepared to advance an attack line in to put water on the fire. Good eye brother and keep learning. Stay safe.

[@firefighterb3899]

Chief what kind of camera do u use for your videos...

[@dj2574]

Brandon Thunder according to his other videos description it's a Motorola Z force droid cellphone.

[@Trifecta_With_A_Twist]

Lock trigger in, Pull choke out, Pull till it fires. Push choke in, leave trigger locked. Pull again. should go. else, Leave choke in. unlock trigger. Pull while manually pump trigger. If keep choking, saw will flood. Advice from experienced concrete saw operator. cheers.

[@Grippy_Squirrel]

Unless you have a compression release-to-crank

[@k.s.333]

1:41 - anyone else wondering what the story is behind the random shoe in the alley...

[@MrLordwrecker]

Where I'm from if a saw or hydraulic pump doesn't start the Battalion Chief gets mad. They don't say anything on scene other than you can see the anger in their faces. When they see you later and they will then its on.

[@clineshaunt]

What's the difference between an attack and blitz line?

[@evanbaker8825]

A blitz fire in a unmanned 2 1/2 inch defense line. Its like the deck gun on top of the engines but its portable. A Firefighter can man it or leave it alone to do its thing. Blitz fire is a type of nozzle made by task force tips.

[@davidglaum2538]

I see a good attack by some well trained firefighters. Good job. Wish I could see the outcome.

[@YouTube_Professor]

Question for mr Decker, why not vent the roof in the area of the hot spot. Not passing any judgment just wondering why not try to get the heat out and gain some visibility, or would this possibly cause it to flair up more.

[@commandvisionfire]

That's a good question. Any ventilation of the building prior to having a hoseline in place and applying water to the fire could definitely supply additional oxygen to the fire and allow it to take off. As it turned out, the fuel load that was burning was limited to a little more than a wood chicken cage and some other small items. Once the ladder truck got their stick up and reported the location of the fire, crews were able to be directed on to that location.

[@dottiedavis355]

Poor chickens! That _was_ a good question, btw.

[@carlloar7524]

Newark,ohio is a good man with chief Decker retiring. Thank u for ur service to the community!👍🚒👍

[@thomasmarks5497]

Carl Loar U say Chief Decker is retiring?

[@carlloar7524]

Thomas Marks he a message out the other night. To all subscribers to his channel

[@thomasmarks5497]

Carl Loar Some how i was not subscribed however was before. When is he retiring

[@Pytre1]

Odd how the audio went out momentarily just as someone asked if he had his makeup kit... :)

[@crazyt8781]

Great video n every well organized . What done Bravo mean?

[@Barefoot0Walker]

alpha, bravo, charlie. the first there letters of the alphabet in standard radio code, i think it’s called. in this context, the a side is the front of the building, here, the east side, and the other sides are lettered clockwise. so the bravo-charlie corner is sw, if i have it figured right.

[@crazyleyland5106]

I think; Alpha the front of the building, Bravo left side, Charlie rear, and Delta right side. We don't have this system in Britain, and I don't know if all US fire departments do.

[@64pori]

I can't see anything David ! 😐

[@skiqsr]

Once again all crews outside working to support the inside attack... no one standing around.

[@edanielssr6113]

not a good view david but good job on getting commands out to radio letting them know where everyone needs to go outstanding

[@jelracer98]

True we all cant be thew same , if you watch he sends a guy to do command in the rear and all he has on is his helmet, the onlyway i will go in if a firefighter is down if they pass away

[@markt538]

FF teams be patient. Electric tools are coming. Light weight, easy to store in any position, no fuel to mess with, no ropes to break. Squeeze and go.

[@cagekicker78]

Except the batteries die and they're weak as hell compared to gas, lol

[@donaldmorrison9940]

We got electric gear last year to replace our hydraulics. The electric gear is superb. It is at least the power of the hydraulics, the battery lasts at least an hour of use and it’s so quiet compared to the generator required for the hydraulics. I’m a big fan.

[@donpatrick8582]

Do those power saws etc ever start as expected at the fire scene ... best to buy half dozen cheapies and throw them if they do not start ... as premium price for fire equipmemt that does not start....tilt.

[@dottiedavis355]

There’s a reason a I have a battery-operated sawzall.

[@binky8501]

Just curious Chief..have you ever considered a piercing nozzle?

[@commandvisionfire]

Yes. But for a situation like this you have to find the right compartment to put the piercing nozzle in. A piercing nozzle is excellent for basement fires.

[@PhillipRhodes]

I heard somebody say that one of the engines only had one person with it. Is that because you're getting mutual aid from volunteer departments where the personnel assignments / availability vary from call to call? If so, how do you deal with integrating that into your operations? Do you merge companies that are too small, to make a "virtual" company, or ??? In either case, excellent work as always, Chief. Keep up the good work, and stay safe!

[@13eckerlosmuerte]

Typically you merge depending on what truck is providing what service. So say a ladder truck is called out but its only occupant is the driver another unit will use that truck in addition to theirs as a service bump. Fire hydrant will feed pumper, and pumper feed to ladder. Things are typically made up on the spot with given information via radio and chief merges the teams to their destination on the fire. Awesome management and good radio chatter, very clean informative and direct

[@johnspentler171]

I believe that unit was already deployed elsewhere

[@danielgreek2906]

Why isn't the saw starting. Isn't standard practice at all change of shifts to start and run all equipment to make sure functional.

[@commandvisionfire]

No. Our policy is run all small equipment on Mondays. But as luck would have it, this fire occurred on a Monday. However, if you read the description or take a look at the title slide at the beginning of the video we were dispatched just 11 minutes into our shift. Maybe we should change our policy to run small equipment on Sunday so all saws will be ready to go for the fires on Monday morning.

[@prreed34]

@@commandvisionfire our station does it on tuesdays but after having issues with the same problem you had we opted to start all equipment every other day

[@stephenwhite546]

Could start it 20 times a day and the 21st well

[@briankistner4331]

2:17. Looks like some problems firing up the saw. And again at 2:35. Is that common? Takes some effort to get it going?

[@commandvisionfire]

It occasionally happens. Always have a Plan-B and Plan-C.

[@dalehemmerle9932]

I have started saws on the ground, in the station ect. When ever you need them they have a mind of their own.

[@stephenwhite546]

Mark Conner can start them at beginning of shift go to use it few hours later and it’s a no go . It happens .

[@shadetreeforge]

A rescue saw is a modified chain saw basically, and chain saws even under the most ideal conditions can be notoriously finicky!

[@Chuck0856]

Where were the owners of the company?

[@lencycler1]

ya gotta hand it to whoever manufactured that front door....

[@edanielssr6113]

quick 360 awsome

[@DJ-bh1ju]

I hate those frigging "partner" saws... they're heavy beasts and they usually let you down when you need them. Try a regular circular saw with a long extension cord from the truck inverter. You're limited on range but it'll ALWAYS work... much lighter too.

[@kentcarter6547]

Part of the problem is that (if they get started at all) guys start them and shut them off after 3 seconds. Take that thing out back and run it up, back it off and run it up again. It is a great task for the rookie! Anyway...it worked for me. 29 years paid service, retired.

[@ffjsb]

We switched to "canned" fuel, MUCH less problems than with the gasoline with ethanol in it.

[@ltthomas114]

Actually the "partner" saw was the best saw that we used. The Stihl saws had problems starting (which had our diamond blades" already on them, luckily our mutual aid companies brought additional saws to help with the commercial grade door.

[@ffjsb]

I've had very good results with all sorts of Stihl saws, and I like the ergonomics better than a Partner saw. You definitely see a LOT more Stihl's in use than Partners. But like I said, I think the canned fuel makes them easier to start and they have much less problems with fouling the plugs and eating seals.

[@thenussbaum44]

The saw does not need to be run every day unless you put it under a load and get it hot. I bet they do run it and that's why it wont start. Also you should not use gas with alcohol in , it will only last a month two at the most.

[@commandvisionfire]

We run saws on Monday. That is our designated small equipment day. They got the saw running later. Like any piece of equipment, sometimes it just doesn't go as planned.

[@ritirons2726]

The single best thing you can do to combat starting problems is to follow the manufacturers starting procedures from the day it comes out of the box. To take them and assume you can start them like the "one I have at home" will lead to trouble on the fire scene. My department has a total of 10 saws.The companies are left to their own as far as running their saws but at a minimum it's each Monday. You are correct when it comes to fuel. Ethanol fuel will begin to breakdown components of the fuel system very quickly. Our guys run the saws through an entire tank of fuel during saw checks and then refuel.

[@CRSolarice]

12:40 Just a thought: Would you consider it to be a reasonable idea if you had a drone with a wifi equipped camera to give you timely information on possible locations of fire? You seem to have a reasonably coordinated team that could effectively deploy a drone system and although I'm not a big drone fan I thought with regard to firefighting it may actually be a decent purpose for one. I'm certain that you could find all manner of possible situations that a drone could fulfill faster and easier than, say a ladder or person, especially in a hostile environment.

[@commandvisionfire]

I actually fly a drone for a hobby. There is no way that I could fly it while commanding a fire. If there was a separate person who was flying the drone for recon purposes, that would work.

[@CRSolarice]

@@commandvisionfire Exactly the way I was thinking. If you had enough crew to spare one man he could have the drone packed and ready to go and upon arrival do a recon with the drone looking for specified details and report as soon as the data has been prepared. (either SDHC transfer as soon as it lands or live wifi would be best). It might also be helpful for unusual problems, locating tapped persons or who knows what insane off the hook type situations might come up in your line of work. Even to have something like that available for those crazy unusual shituations or just to maintain a constant/live situation report during events. But I would think the main obstacle in the way of deploying a system like that would be the CO's or behind the desk types...

[@michaelmactavish1728]

@@commandvisionfire poor saw must be having hard time starting poor stihl lol

[@Lydirius]

@@commandvisionfire Hey Chief! That sounds like a job for an investigator. 👍

[@sahmuleadams5270]

Does this structure have a basement? Odd smoke conditions. It must be nice to have the cooperation of police for traffic!!!! @2:30 fire has gone vent dependant? Anybody agree?

[@ltthomas114]

No basement. Newark police knows our rhythm and they take care of our traffic control.

[@yuteman]

@ 2:18 That Freaking K-12 said oh ya? Watch me not start for like 5 minutes lol was pissing me off!!!!!! Staarrrrrttttt alreaddyy lol

[@sahmuleadams5270]

Plan B… use the cutting jaws

[@michaels1432]

How is a PAR complete when it was never done? Just curious.....

[@golftooter]

He drove around

[@michaels1432]

golftooter where I come from a “PAR” is a personal accountability report. It’s something that you do to make sure everyone is accounted for. It’s not something you can drive around and do. What he did, where I come from, is called a 360.

[@commandvisionfire]

michaels1432 Good question. I had just spoke to R-1 crew on the radio. I felt pretty confident that the captain would let me know if he had a problem. I had just watched the other interior crew enter with front of the building with the back-up line. Technically, I should have radiod both crews, but I felt like I had a handle on things.

[@ritirons2726]

A request for PAR isn't typically something that is done initially. You achieve your fireground accountability as quickly as possible utilizing whatever system that may be. The PAR is an ongoing process throughout the incident until the IC decides that it is no longer necessary.

[@keithkinna2164]

@@commandvisionfire Thanks for the explanation. I like the call to keep chatter to a minimum at that point. Good stop on the fire. That had all the making for a long deep seated fire. Well done.

[@wolfpacva]

why do they waste so much timing cutting each link of that fence when all you have to do is cut the top twist off and pull the wire straight up and the fence will open up

[@commandvisionfire]

Can you post a link to that?

[@wolfpacva]

@@commandvisionfire dont have a link just try it sometime works great I have done that for years

[@commandvisionfire]

@@wolfpacva If I'm understanding you correctly, that won't work when the fence is tensioned.

[@wolfpacva]

@@commandvisionfire as soon as cut one twist off the top it will untwist just like a corkscrew it is so easy to do

[@nathanopfer8300]

@@commandvisionfire www.firerescuemagazine.com/articles/print/volume-2/issue-4/firefighting-operations/the-weakest-link.html

[@philliphaynes2406]

why is takeing so long to gain intary to the building

[@commandvisionfire]

The initial plan was to enter through the gate and force entry through the roll-up door. Unfortunately they couldn't get the saw started.

[@butlerproman]

The owners apparently forgot to leave a key under the welcome mat or in a convenient flower pot.

[@stephenwhite546]

The saw said I think i will sit this one out . It happens. Chief needs a helmet cam

[@CSAFD]

Wire cutter would take the fence down.....just a suggestion.

[@ericpl7227]

They did cut the fence!

[@andrewallason4530]

Cordless angle grinder. Thin kerf blades of approximately 1mm ( 1/24”) slice through them like butter. (I have a farm here, and I’ve been upgrading my fencing to allow my neighbours horses to visit. A totes legit reason to say how I know 😜)

[@jelracer98]

I see alot of safety issues you have officers on scene with no gear on only their helmets , your officer in charge does not have and gear on at all , i know it is hot out there but if you are going to run a fire scene yours guys that are doing sectors should be geared up just like your attack crews

[@jacobeast1]

Are you saying a chief at a command post should be wearing full PPE? There's no need to be hauling that kind of gear around if you're outside the building.

[@jelracer98]

They should have a helmet and a vest showing who they are , but the guys going up nest to the building sure should, I would never go near a building without my gear if when i was in command i was in full turnout gear never know when you might have to go in ,if a firefighter goes down

[@jacobeast1]

Each dept. has its SOP for when a man goes down but I've never heard of a chief going in hands on. That's what a rescue officer and crew are for. No argument about being next to the building though; those guys should at least have full bunker gear on.

[@ritirons2726]

It's not necessary for the IC to be in full gear. I personally wore my bunker pants so later in the incident I could do a walk around of the scene and have leg and foot protection. Our operators were only required to wear their bunker pants and helmet. Everyone else was required to be in full gear. Anyone in the immediate area of the fire building needed to be in full gear including SCBA in the event they may be needed in an emergency. Full gear for all members is not completely necessary. You already mentioned the heat but don't forget it's more than just being hot and sweating. There are also heat related emergencies and the medical emergencies from overexertion. Some of those can be prevented by simply staying cool when gear is not absolutely necessary

[@sandybrecken6871]

Why do you keep muting the sound

[@josephspinelli4527]

wheres the rest of the fire fighting

[@______-id5ud]

good job brothers!

[@davidsonlankford1168]

Why didn’t they call the owner to come open the gates and building? Seemed liked it took way to long to get through the gate. Bolt cutters would have been quicker than a saw. Also why couldn’t you raise the garage door ?

[@retiredarthritic2083]

Bolt cutters were used to defeat the locks on the fence gates the saw was to cut through the locked door. "The building was closed due to it being Memorial Day. Heavy smoke was noted upon arrival of fire units." Assistant Chief David Decker.

[@kekelaward]

You need to get a small drone with a camera to get overhead shots and views.

[@crazyleyland5106]

Some UK fire and rescue services, and police services, have them.

[@theodepaus1024]

In the Netherlands there are dedicates droneteams within some larger regional units which contains of four firefighters trained for this and are mostly used at larger structure fires and forest fires where i might be more difficult to spot the fire, the drones are equipped with normal- and infrared cameras, the teams do this besides their normal firefighting duties and are stationed at larger firestations within the region they work.

[@nigel1964]

What I find shocking is the struggle they have with power tools like petrol cutting tools. The firemen struggle to get them going. Do they not use the downtime to test this equipment? It seems vital life saving equipment is not checked often enough

[@xxkillerkane420xx8]

Our department starts all equipment daily, however you must remember that these machines are man made and that means they WILL malfunction, it is only a matter of when. We had a fire last winter where 2 of 5 chainsaws would not fire up even after running fine previously that morning. One saw flooded and the other saw had the rope handle break.

[@jamesluck2969]

@@xxkillerkane420xx8 it seems through my observation not many people realize or pass the though that equipment usually breaks down when needed the most. It does not matter what your doing, I've experienced it at a local waste water treatment facility while working with them, we can exercise the equipment all day every day and not come opon a issue with its operability until we go to put it in to use.

[@xxkillerkane420xx8]

@@jamesluck2969 yep, equipment has a mind of its own, yesterday we had a brush fire, I use a back pack blower to blow the flames back into the black and essentially blow it out. The blower ran fine for about an hour, I filled the fuel tank and fired it up, it ran about another 5 minutes and died. I could start it and idle it but if I tried giving it throttle it would die. Needless to say it got stuck back on the truck and was done for the day. When we got done and back to the department I pulled it apart and found the air filter clogged with ash and soot. In a normal situation that blower would probably have run all day but being in the middle of a fire it sucked in smoke and ash and thats all it took. Equipment is not designed to run in certain situations, fire equipment breathes smoke everytime we use it and it is surprising how fast filters clog. Not our fault and not the manufacturers fault, the equipment just cant be adapted to run in smoke and ash for very long.

[@cagekicker78]

Murphy must not visit you sitting on that couch.

[@wendelpfefferkorn2940]

Guess the t shirt and shorts are fire proof. But he had his helmet on. Geez...

[@timcampbell3857]

Working fire? Have you ever pulled up and find out the fire went on strike, and stopped working

[@wylde780]

Or a false alarm? Perhaps the occupants of the establishment were able to put the fire out themselves, and a full response is no longer warranted?

[@uniden03229]

Working fire just refers to the fact that, yes this is in fact a fire, send me all the units you have allocated for it. As opposed to rolling up to a reported fire and it being nothing, or not as described, to which you could then only tie up a few trucks as opposed to all of them.

[@sahmuleadams5270]

Vent dependent fire CAN, not will, extinguish themselves if left alone. This fire is no where near done

[@gabrielbonnell6430]

First to like

[@brucewayne7970]

It's is for the firemen to save pets you must of known there were some inside since you live in that city need to work on that aspect

[@commandvisionfire]

The animals were DOA. They were caged in the fire room.

[@brucewayne7970]

David Decker did the owners get charge with pet endangerment since you should not leave pets alone with no sprinklers systems and all that flammable feed which is known to go up especially all that Mills and wood they should be fined at the very least

[@brucewayne7970]

David Decker how did the commercial building get away with not having sprinklers

[@johnspentler171]

@@brucewayne7970 they don’t need to have sprinklers it’s not a building made for people

[@christopherwaldrop8115]

Facts are facts. What heroic act were they performing in this video?

[@jadenjacobs8667]

What?

[@baller1032]

My guess is saving the property, the contents, keeping the business from being burned to the ground and having to be rebuilt and making no income for the employees...but what do I know.

[@brucewayne7970]

Why did the cat die was it trap in a cage or something why did they not save the animals did this place have fire sprinklers and fire alarm like require by law

[@commandvisionfire]

It did not have sprinklers, because they are not required.

[@stephenwhite546]

Cats hide dogs will head for the door usually. Cats don’t usually do to well .

[@trr4488]

I dont know who is who here but the guy with the radio taking pictures perhaps should be in HI Vis clothing. Not being critical to how things are but black attire surly cant be the safest?

[@ffjsb]

Technically yes, he should have "Hi Vis" clothing on. But these idiots can't even see a big red truck with reflective striping and multiple flashing lights either.... They shouldn't even be driving in the block that he's on, because Ohio Revised Code states that you SHALL NOT drive into or park in the block where a fire apparatus has responded to a fire alarm...

[@commandvisionfire]

Typically if I am going to be out and moving around I will put my helmet and turnout coat on. I knew that I was only going to be mobile briefly. I'm all about safety.

[@danielkeefer3949]

taking too long to do the job.

[@ffjsb]

You clearly don't know what you're talking about.

[@asbestosfiber]

18 minutes to get water on the fire? 17+ to get a door open?

[@ltthomas114]

which door are you specifying? Also the building had multiple "add ons" which hindered crews....along with "zero visibility and high heat" conditions.

[@throttlebottle5906]

more like watching it burn for 10+ minutes whilst fiddling about

[@brianjohnson5995]

Armchair commander. You do not breach a sealed building until you have everything in place to cover all contingency. The object is to protect the firefighters. I love how this command keeps his wheels on the ground, is methodical, and conservative with all resources. I only watch Newark, Ohio.

[@throttlebottle5906]

we call them "basement savers", "concrete savers" and other names for a reason :)) also you took me way too seriously ;)

[@christopherwaldrop8115]

Cut the fence. Go through man door.

[@christopherwaldrop8115]

"The ignorant" can't seem to "help themselves"...especially those of the "snowflake" variety.

[@JasmineLindros]

@@christopherwaldrop8115 LOL! Ms. Pot, meet Mr. Kettle.

[@christopherwaldrop8115]

@@JasmineLindros , i think i know you. Are you Mr. and Mrs. Lindros' daughter?

[@BobL84]

this dude just drives right in front of other cars . i guess driving laws and common courtisy doesnt apply to these people

[@NKP-1985]

Bobby Livingsworth what dude ? This is an emergency vehicle with red lights all other traffic must yield to emergency vehicles and any friggin idiot would have common sense to see smoke

[@vegascorbin]

You realize the camera is in a Fire department car, right?

[@ritirons2726]

Trust me not every driver has common sense. The make up mommies driving their husbands SUV while texting away won't see the chief or the fire. That's one of the reasons why members and apparatus are struck along the road constantly.

[@mahrixgamer6036]

Dude, flashing red lights and very loud sirens. When you see them or hear them you are supposed to pull over and let them pass. First responders own the road when headed to an urgent call like this. Its people like you that cause response times to emergencies to be a lot longer than they should be.

[@billwilliams6945]

@Bill Williams Nice name

[@garycooper9963]

Very poor command tactics why were you in the buggy ??!!

[@michaelfriis732]

Running command from his vehicle is probably the more preferred method as it provides a quieter environment away from any distractions which in turn lets the incident commander(IC) to be able to better understand the radio traffic from the crews working both inside and out. This way the IC can stay focused on ensuring both the strategic and tactical objectives of the incident are getting accomplished without getting sidetracked.

[@mattalynsaller2222]

Blue card.

[@ritirons2726]

I agree completely. When I served as chief I never left the vehicle unless it was for my 360 or much later in the incident to get an idea of what the crews were faced with. I always liked to get a look at what the crews were communicating to me. In my particular area we have multiple radios that come into play at a large incident so to be honest our Chiefs don't have much choice but stay at their vehicle. Also what we all coined "roaming command" is not good. When units arrive on scene that may not have a clear understanding of their assignment or want clarification or directions to a particular area. The IC needs to be readily available and at a central location so everyone, including support agencies know where to find that person. It is a very good practice to announce the location of command as done here. Corner of xyz street, parking lot across the street, driveway next to the fire building etc.

[@commandvisionfire]

@@michaelfriis732 Correct.

[@floydyoung7329]

He should be in the "buggy"

[@christopherwaldrop8115]

Dang. This building is going to burn to the ground before they pick the lock