New Order - Blue Monday (Live at Alexandra Palace)

New Order performs Blue Monday live from Alexandra Palace in 2018. The full concert titled education entertainment recreation is available to buy now: lnk.to/NO-EERYC
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[@superjody56]

At 75 years old, I can attest to this sounding good from day one. I am so glad to have lived during the 80's. If you weren't there, you truly do not know what you missed.

[@petertick6972]

😮ougbkjt

[@andrewwilliamson7885]

Its as fresh today as it was back when it was 1st released a true timeless classic

[@johnmalihi6045]

I was 17 and in th eMelbourne discos, Metro, and when this came on the whole place erupted.

[@sarahneack7582]

This came out while I was in high school. Definitely a dance club song.

[@madness7662]

Never to old its in you never ever leave you UP The 80s

[@suspensiondude]

This track typifies the 80s! Absolutely the best era of music! Says a 54 year old 😉

[@steffii483]

agree! A 55 years old!

[@susanc257]

True!

[@OBZRV82]

No aguement from this 40 year old.

[@willpummell]

I'm only 23 and I agree with you too. Absolutely fantastic stuff, a song for the ages.

[@hankgs7]

Agree 55 yrs old.

[@marilyndeverell6613]

I am over 70yrs old and this one track that has made me cry for love lost and missed stupid reasons has anybody got a time machine

[@PeterHook11]

Hello how are you doing it’s nice meeting you here

[@9031LN1H]

Hang tough Chica Bonita!

[@tarsiseascriaturas6779]

Irmão o sentimento é coletivo e universal..

[@turbid0909]

Скоро им можно будет воспользоваться,только индивидуально😉

[@Lily4444]

Sending love❤

[@GamerPhilosophy]

If you're still listening to this masterpiece, you've a good taste in music. 💞👌😊👍

[@user-wl1zy3tp8v]

I am 70, still love it😊😊

[@mariuszp1649]

Finally, my taste has been proven. Thank you! What would I do without you?

[@feriferdian1126]

My taste has been proven😅

[@feriferdian1126]

​@@mariuszp1649😅😅😅

[@fiouby]

Love from France ❤

[@jonigun9742]

They still sound great! Takes me back to the 80’s every time! And the 80’s rocked!!!! Who could ever stay off the dance floor when this song was played?

[@avictorbell2835]

They used to play this at the Rock Night at The Mayfair in Newcastle, the dance floor was heaving Both the 80's and The Mayfair are greatly missed 😢

[@jonigun9742]

@avictorbell2835 the 80's were great in just about every way! Fun times!

[@traceygleghorn3163]

Agree with you victorbell. Mayfair Netwcastle .Loved it. Especially the rock nites. Blue Monday fabulous.

[@madness7662]

Tune will never ever get old it's one in a Million

[@dansloan4242]

Iconic!!! After all these years, it's still timeless!

[@robsonnyc5311]

the original recording is maybe about 40 years old, I have it and it is my number one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@user-td3hw3df4w]

Yes sir

[@user-if1cp8ix3v]

42 in 2024, my life is kinda sh*tty but I come to the 80s music to cheer my brain up!

[@patorro007]

You are the only one who can change, surround yourself with people who add and not subtract.

[@WHR17]

I missed an opportunity to see New Order live back in 93. Still regret it to this day!!!

[@purkinjecell8707]

Regret. Now that's a tune 👌

[@user-td3hw3df4w]

It's never late

[@suzanneblume5011]

New Order NEVER gets Old!!!!

[@weeyewcheang6412]

after so many years, i still love this song !!! love their album. The aunite and uncles on the stage are awesome!!

[@stephenlozano2816]

I was 13 when this song dropped in 1983 but I believe I didn’t really hear it until I was 15 or 16. What a decade to be a teenager. Loved New Order. They still sound great!!

[@danhansson409]

1986? maybe as an reissue, I enjoyed it in 1983 already ;)

[@jamesbreazeale6341]

@@danhansson409 Yep you're right it was 1983. Steve was only 16 at the time. I couldn't even figure out how to dress myself at 16. Of course that was during the 1970s and everyone I knew was high on drugs......I mean high on life!......um..yeah 1983...thats when this came out......Ok I'm leaving now. Thanks Dan and uh.....Steve

[@Bellasie1]

@@jamesbreazeale6341 Nevermind, according to Falco, if you can remember the 80s you didn't live them. Apparently you did! Good for you! ;-)

[@delby66]

I was 24 following Joy Division in 1979-80 and I continued through the New Order Days. Going to see them in Toronto on Sept. 17th with the Pet Shop Boys. Can't wait.

[@marcsneddon5524]

The 1980s were the most amazing years for music and there was some absolutely and truly wonderful bands. And are still going to this day. 🎹🎹🎶🎶🎶🍻🍻

[@sophielaurenti8846]

My love and appreciation of this song has increased over the years. New Order... soundtrack of my youth. Thank you!

[@ZEPRATGERNODT]

Yep…I was 16 when this song was released in 83. 20 years old when Substance was released. I didn’t do enough when I was young. Haha.

[@christophecapello8154]

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[@joanmultimedia]

Soundtrack of my youth too

[@fer70000007]

M gym r@@ZEPRATGERNODT JM b mom my je much m mn j

[@joannamead2960]

Would have also been epic if they had put the video robots in the back….but still a classic song

[@tarrencappel427]

I think Ian would have loved this and all New Order material. He's looking from above and approving.

[@telophasemusic]

Ian Curtis doing his butterfly dance in the great beyond with a half smile while listening to something like Age Of Consent or Subculture is a funny and wholesome mental image lol

[@carstenmauritz5995]

One of the few bands that "haven't lost their class" after decades in the business, fantastic and I take off my hat 🖤🍷

[@PrimitiveInTheExtreme]

Immortal song, magnificent performance.

[@paineoftheworld]

The Immortal Song © It might stick!

[@christophecapello8154]

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[@Pattaya2510]

and a timeless masterpiece

[@SuperRede4u]

Probably the best live version of this song on KZbin. Flawless audio + epic light show = what's not to like!

[@vannjunkin8041]

Magnificent indeed!!

[@sherrywoods9341]

I miss those days dancing to there music. 😊😊😊😊😊

[@temens]

Serious respect. After all these years, they literally don't miss a beat :)

[@senianns9522]

I was in a disco one evening whilst on holiday in Spain. I was on leave from Saudi Arabia. There was a beautifully tall Spanish girl dancing to this song on the dance floor! She was a fantastic mover! I couldn't believe how good it all became! Never forget this!

[@TheRedDevil_NC]

i was barely a teenager when New Order and Joy Division were all we listened to. Now in my 50s and you guys are still out there. Nothing but respect.

[@sirfizz6518]

you can probably also see Peter Hook & the Light for a cheaper, in a more intimate venue, probably just as good a show. Whether he's in New Order or not, seeing all the original members (him, Bernard, Gillian and Stephen) play live is on my bucket list.

[@shutupman]

2 weeks Friday! With Pet Shop Boys

[@Galloway278]

@@shutupman I’m going to see them too!

[@renskeiscoowl6642]

Its a trowback in my mind..with many good memories..how i wish to be 16 again 🤍

[@jopema1155]

Today with the New tecnologys its eventos better... better sound better lights the whole thang is hardly like itbwas earlier in the 80s just in my head

[@mecatroniquejohn]

Killer bass in an electronic music at its time is so iconic that captures the magic of this song forever.

[@jacquesbrodeur39]

Love it even more every time I hear it the techno is phenomenal and outstanding

[@lonccoccala6861]

A timeless masterpiece. More than 37 years now but still sounds fresh just listening you wanna go dance in a club or concert...real music...

[@chuckmaddison2924]

In a 100 years this will still be current. Awesome music way ahead of the time it came out.

[@michaelmonkhouse3036]

A rare opportunity to hear Blue Monday.

[@juangalvan8873]

We’re finally going to see New Order in concert! On March 16, 2023 in Houston, Tx! Heck yeah! New Order just fkn rocks!

[@sofie139]

Hope you had a great time

[@johngubatan5858]

Omg! Haven't "Blue Monday" in such a long time! So good to hear it again! Brings back fantastic memories of the 80's going to the club and parties! Song was at my sisters wedding reception.

[@jorgesalazar7928]

Been a fan of New Order since I was 15. I am 46 now and still listen to it. It never gets old. I love New Order.

[@brucebengtson847]

I don't know how many perfect songs there are, but this is one of them

[@crohawg4097]

always the first song i queue when i test new speakers or headphones

[@mikkelbreiler8916]

Doesn't matter - you could put this one the list twice and be forgiven.

[@beanaddict]

Never get tired of listening to this track.

[@1WillowMoon]

This tune was definitely made to evolve, and evolve it did...im proud to say i was a teen when it first came out and proud of new order for making such a phenomenal hit that Never Gets Old. 🙌 ❤❤❤

[@noelgenoway9360]

This song is timeless!! Great great song!!!

[@angelorochaoficial]

A cada ano que passa parece que fica mais moderno e futurista , que som fantástico!!!! Salve new order!!!

[@angelchacon2842]

YEAHHH!

[@celiodantas7745]

Top de mais

[@fabiosantelli]

Maravilhoso!!!!

[@Rapha013]

Quem viveu,viveu 👽

[@angelorochaoficial]

@@Rapha013 nada meu irmão , ainda dá tempo de curtir ;) assim como estamos fazendo agora

[@johnpender4138]

This New Order song Blue Monday is a Masrerpiece truly Amazing song from Manchesters Amazing New Order thank you so much for this wonderful song frrom a 59 years old Irish man fan from Dublin

[@markconroy9448]

Without doubt the best song of the 20th century no debate !

[@larryleeong4709]

This song is immortal ❤❤❤

[@ZacheryAllanStarkey]

Bernard texted me right after this gig, he was very happy and telling me about how great the audience was, and how good the show was. Watching this and other clips from the concert, I can see why. Man, I really miss live gigs.

[@amordediossoysuhija7986]

Honestly YES!!!

[@diskonnektion5496]

I really do hope to see New Order do live gigs soon. I know they were supposed to have a joint tour with the Pet Shop Boys but all of that got canceled. Also hope to see you perform live too Zachery!

[@joeofgore]

@@diskonnektion5496 Heaton Park... Manchester, next friday. Can't wait.....

[@astre7904]

@@joeofgore I'm an American... there was a concert scheduled in my city this month but it got postponed another year D:

[@joeofgore]

@@astre7904 Hope you get to see them... I know its not new order but Love will tear us apart live was beautiful. Bucket list ticked off....wish Hooky played

[@DocGus_]

Greeks created Philosophy. Romans created Law. New Order created Techno.

[@HarrisonHollers]

This is not techno! Synth-Pop, New Wave, Dance, or Electronica. Ha everything but techno!

[@orlandogalan]

True statement.

[@michaelhaake128]

The german Band "Kraftwerk" created the first electronic music in the 70's. A long time before New Order. Search for "Kraftwerk". You will find easy here on YT

[@TheMimis11]

@@HarrisonHollerswell said!

[@Yeqonn]

@@HarrisonHollerswhich sampled techno..

[@paulponsford]

This song is absolute magic and always will be!

[@PaulaWolfeson444]

Yes New Order Great tune. Loved you guys since I was 15 & still do 32 years later. Madchester❤️ ✌️✌️

[@philcunningham1373]

Myself and the entire team (New Order) appreciate you for your kind words. Thanks for the endless support and encouragement, feel free to email me share your thoughts, thanks: [e-mail]

[@thomasmcarthur4700]

feelin it paula

[@sarahneack7582]

The 80's were the absolute best decade for music. I love the catchy beat of Blue Monday. ❤❤❤

[@queenstower4x4]

Oh no, the 70's man. Decade of southern rock.

[@sarahneack7582]

I was born in 1971, grew up in the 80's, so I listened to a broad variety of music. I loved the hair bands. Motley Crue, Metallica, etc. But I really love Blue Monday by New Order, the beat is awesome. I graduated in 1990.

[@juanmaza9474Nodoyuna]

Casi 40 años escuchando este pedazo de canción,y aún me lo pongo cuando conduzco,esto me pone en forma

[@maikneumann6352]

Ein Stück der Musikgeschichte der für immer bleibt .

[@EduardoSousa75]

Essa é uma das músicas da minha vida. Tem que tocar no enterro em loop eterno. Vida longa ao New Order. Form Brasil.

[@willwolf4627]

This band is so legendary man, everyone is old but is young, even Bennard voice, you can hear a little of his young voice on it. AMAZING.

[@andychilcott7245]

Blue Monday was released when I was in my second year at University... almost 40 years later it remains ageless.

[@nelsontello143]

One of my favorite bands from the 80’s!

[@RAZNJ]

I was 17 when this came out and was visiting family in UK.. fell in love wit this song , bought the record and brought back the USA not even on the charts yet . I taped it to a cassette and played it at school and everyone wanted a copy and made a lot of friends because of it . Ty New Order ❤

[@petraanna9272]

Jeden Montag frei und mit dem Liebsten im Bett bleiben... Perfekt!!!

[@dilankarun9172]

Every time I hear this song, I feel fine I feel good, makes me feel like I never should.! I remember buying all their albums & 12" singles back in the day. I think I was about 14 when this song came. out. Really awesome performance here. They still got it. What an absolutely bizarre love triangle we fans have with New Order. 🥰🙏

[@KorumEmrys]

How does it feel To treat me like you do? When you've laid your hands upon me And told me who you are I thought I was mistaken I thought I heard your words Tell me how do I feel Tell me now, how do I feel Those who came before me Lived through their vocations From the past until completion They'll turn away no more I still find it so hard To say what I need to say But I'm quite sure that you'll tell me Just how I should feel today I see a ship in the harbor I can and shall obey But if it wasn't for your misfortune I'd be a heavenly person today And I thought I was mistaken And I thought I heard you speak Tell me, how do I feel Tell me now, how should I feel Now I stand here waiting I thought I told you to leave me While I walk down to the beach Tell me how does it feel When your heart grows cold, grows cold...

[@williammontgomery3512]

Loved this song. First time I heard it was November 1988 at the "Rolling Stones" Club on Magsaysay Drive, Olongapo, Subic Bay Philippines.

[@paolaquilodran3587]

Muchas gracias

[@alexa2975]

Techno was born in early 80's thanks to New Order, Depeche Mode, Kraftwerk, Heaven 17 ect.... I'm 40 been a techno dj and lover for over 25 years..

[@user-td3hw3df4w]

New wave

[@Fmbras]

Sensacional! Em pleno 18-09-22 New Order e esse clássico nunca serão obsoletos. Isso que é banda e música de verdade! Lamentável a cultura musical dos tempos atuais!

[@enligne-kf9jp]

tout à fait, Fabio..Merci.... Regarde l'allemagne en 2022.............. euh ........? ......? Ne pas confondre : New order Ils s’écrivent de la même manière, mais n’ont rien en commun ! publié le 8 janvier 2021 à 17h41 Groupe américain (1975-1976) Né de la séparation des Stooges en 1974, «The» New Order est un supergroupe hardo-crado-punk réunissant les deux compagnons de route d'Iggy Pop, le guitariste Ron Asheton et le bassiste intérimaire Jimmy Recca, ainsi que le batteur du MC5 Dennis Thompson. Cet appel provocateur à un «ordre nouveau» (neuordnung en allemand), mot d'ordre du régime hitlérien, n'est sans doute pas un hasard : feu Asheton collectionnait les uniformes nazis. Il a même eu la sinistre idée de jouer en concert devant un drapeau orné d'une svastika. La pochette de leur unique album montre les trois hommes tout de cuir vêtus, l'air menaçant, couteaux sanglants en main. Groupe anglais (depuis 1980) L'ultime provocation de la jeunesse dans le monde rance de la fin des seventies était d'utiliser des références qui allaient horrifier les parents comme celles ayant trait au régime nazi. Après s'être baptisés Joy Division (du nom des terribles bordels des camps de concentration), les quatre survivants au suicide de Ian Curtis adoptent un New Order qui sent encore la référence à ce sombre ordre nouveau cher aux nazis. Sauf que c'est un peu plus compliqué. C'est Rob Gretton, le manager du groupe, qui aurait trouvé le nom en 1980 suite au titre d'un article du quotidien The Guardian, «The People's New Order Of Kampuchea». Devant les critiques les accusant de manipuler des symboles douteux, la bande à Bernard Sumner a toujours affirmé qu'elle ignorait tout des connotations négatives attachées à cette référence polpotienne. On n'est pas forcé de les croire.

[@ivohahnfilho6045]

É incrível como estavam bem a frente do tempo naquela época!

[@pioneersofregress]

Always loved his singing: it’s RAW, TRUE = 100% SOULFUL

[@sarahneack7582]

The bass player for New Order does some killer riffs. ❤❤❤

[@jamesrichardson3906]

The original bassist was Peter Hook. He is still great.

[@jumofi]

Tinha 13 anos quando dei de cara com a revista bizz na banca de revista. New Order no Brasil, isso era em 1988. Daquele momento em diante nunca mais parei...

[@rachel1205]

Me lembro dessa revista, e eu tenho o pôster da época até hoje ❤️

[@humbertocorrea6640]

Eu tb fui no show no Maracanãzinho. Quase 30 anos depois revi a minha banda predileta em São Paulo.

[@Rapha013]

bora juliaooooooo

[@giovani.a.tressoldi]

Esta música embalou muitos de meus sonhos da juventude, muitas idas e vindas! Obrigado por me fazer sentir especial a ouvindo! New Order eternos!

[@BruiseWillis]

It blows my mind that in the span of 2,3 years they completely overhauled their sound. Joy Division and New Order are so different sounding. The flip is mind boggling. Very impressive.

[@jacquesbrodeur39]

True artists the band is phenomenal incredible the Rembrandts Picassos of music

[@erlendmorris1214]

This song makes me wanna have fun One of the best synthband ever Blue Monday is great This is from a fan in Norway AMAZING

[@andradejurk]

Unforgetable song. Bernard is losing his voice, but no matter, is always nice to see him sing... and the band performance is fantastic. We saw then in 1988 in Brazil and they come again in 2019.... Regards from Brazil.

[@Trotskyxx]

I don't think Bernard ever really had a good singing voice, but this sounds much better than usual; he knows how to mask his limitations with a more stylized delivery now.

[@ericbonin3054]

j avais 17 ans en 1983....une époque inoubliable.....a 57 bientot je continue d écouter cette musique paris fevrier 2023

[@humbertopandolfi]

Cara é surreal. Hoje é 29 de Julho de 2022 e escutando essa música fico toda arrepiado. Isso é bom demais, não tem como mensurar como isso é bom.

[@marioaraya9040]

31 de Julio del 2022...🎹🎸🎤🎧🎛️📻....💪👍

[@mariadelourdesdacostafreit6931]

Uma geração insubstituível!

[@eldacunha9969]

@@mariadelourdesdacostafreit6931 Isso mesmo... Eu mostrei ao meu filho. Esse hit fez parte parte do filme da mulher maravilha 1984 No fim do filme a duas mulher marilha se encontram a de hoje e das antigas a Linda Carter. Foi muito emocionante.🥲🤭🤭🤩🤩

[@The120876]

aí tá certo 👍, eu ouvindo agora dia 11 de setembro de 2022 ,dali 👏👏👍 New order

[@adilsonrodriguesrosa9185]

Eu em 17/09/22 sempre.

[@cristinanazario6894]

My absolute favorite group in the 80"s! Saw them and Depeche Mode in concert. I miss those days

[@edithchaupin5470]

Esto es música

[@bryan-ginter]

One of my favorite songs. Always has, and always will be. Still listen to it almost every day!

[@Fansiepansie]

Heard this at the beach in 1983 for the first time and it's still after 40 years a great song. I do still have the 12 inch (the floppy disk) on vinyl, with on the A-side Blue Monday and on the B-side The Beach. Time flies.

[@juuuwi]

Geiler Bass, Wahnsinn dieser Song wie eh und jäh !

[@IncucinaconMrD]

I’ll never have enough of your music, thank you! ❤️

[@FunkATeer-qk7hq]

More power to the New Order. Good to know they're still around and bring a lot of Joy to our Division 💜🤘🏿😉

[@MinnieB123]

Awesome! Hello from LA!

[@diet.mountain.dew.127]

Such a iconic song Hope to see you guys playing live someday

[@philcunningham1373]

Myself and the entire team (New Order) appreciate you for your kind words. Thanks for the endless support and encouragement, feel free to email me share your thoughts, thanks♥️: [e-mail]

[@christophecapello8154]

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[@scottpooley7288]

I will be seeing them live with the Pet Shop Boys in Oct. Of 2022 in Seattle. I can't wait.

[@christophecapello8154]

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[@christophecapello8154]

@@philcunningham1373 kzbin.info/www/bejne/p4a9aKGfqcSobck

[@aguinaldovilasboas7024]

Como era bom nas danceterias à época... Dancei muuuuuito!

[@juanantoniosalazarmilla3040]

MUSICA ETERNA , UN CLÁSICO ATEMPORAL E INMORTAL , HECHO PARA CUALQUIER TIEMPO Y ESPACIO ....GRACIAS NEW ORDER

[@futurefreak8789]

Amazing as ever..live and loud

[@jeffhayz7802]

This was my favourite song of all tme for several years. I remember listening just to this one song 3+ times per day for almost a year.

[@michaelkolbel2090]

One of the best Songs ever, I love it!

[@hugobonino9145]

Una locura esta versión ! Argentina campeón mundial! La fiesta no para !

[@angelchacon2842]

CELEBRANDO LA COPA QUE REGRESO A AMERICA Y CON ESTE TEMON SE ARMA EL CAGADON...

[@garridocarlos98]

⭐⭐⭐

[@ramonsole3168]

Pan y circo

[@fernandom6724]

pero este es un grupo ingles, no te importa ?

[@Rocknranchman]

Always will love this band and their music! 🥰

[@rogerioromeo7735]

Atemporal... Hino da música eletrônica...

[@bete1965]

A humanidade precisa de novos talentos, de mais criatividade e maestria musical. Todos grandes hits dos anos 80 ainda são sucesso absoluto entre todas as idades. Que década! Me sinto honrada por ter vivido tão intensamente nesse momento de tanta riqueza cultural!

[@albertosilva3709]

eu tambem

[@albertosilva3709]

eu tambem

[@fab4fan173]

Sound track of my teens. Love this song. Great group! Truly great performance!!

[@rubenowitzv.3135]

New Order Will Always Be Timeless ✨💫

[@ivoLipp6025]

Geniales!!!!!!! Todas las mañanas la escucho al ir a trabajar. Hoy tengo 55 años. Los escuché mi primera vez a los 17 años

[@fernandoasensio5681]

Que bien siguen sonando los New Order!!! Grandes!!! que maravilla de tema!!!lo disfrute en su día siendo adolescente hoy adulto lo hago con la misma intensidad!! que afortunado fui vivi esa epoca irrepetible!!! no me lo tienen que contar!!! gracias maestros por vuestra música!!! que la podamos disfrutar durante mucho tiempo!!!!!!!

[@robertjmillerma1059]

Modern masterpiece. Brilliant performance.

[@lienardable]

The best dance song from the eighties.

[@wolfgangboettcher3126]

Das waren 80 er angefangen

[@garethjones6566]

No better way than to start the day with Blue Monday, just hoping that I get to see them in Heaton Park in September and at The o2 in November.

[@christophecapello8154]

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[@timtoy442]

This song was so ahead of its time. It set the standard for those that followed. Magical times. ❤

[@nigelkingston1331]

Simply James just awesome in every sense !

[@shuib]

This song takes me back to my College days in Canterbury, UK in the 80s. The student union would play it on Friday Nights (disco ), such nostalgia!

[@darynka111]

One of the best bands ever

[@emersonpereiraguimaraes6970]

a magia dessa banda ainda me faz etornar aos meus 15 anos em meio aos anos 80 ...wonderfull

[@benrogers6106]

Genuinely how ahead of its time this song really is, absolute banger.

[@treasure2behold282]

This sound defined the music of the 80's.

[@danwednesday6748]

Timeless...best track

[@KJ-ez6bm]

Awesome driving song!!! The highs and the lows!!

[@shellspink1136]

I'M GOING!! Have been waiting for this since the 80s!!!!

[@mariaelenalienlafpedreros9630]

Por siempre🖤 más de dos décadas escuchando. Estos grupos se valoran 😉