LOKI 2x04 BREAKDOWN! Easter Eggs & Details You Missed!

[@NewRockstars]

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[@Aryeed]

first reply?

[@alexanderreed1071]

No

[@larryespinoza9040]

Can we please get a "NOT TO SCALE" T-Shirt from @NewRockstars ?

[@jurney3478]

Can we please have the Loki team in charge of the next couple phases please? They clearly know what theyre doing

[@TakeYourMoneyAndRun]

I'm totally with you on that. This is MCU storytelling and character development at its best. The stakes are high AND it's got so much humor. I could watch Loki and Mobius be a buddy-cop duo for all time.

[@elijahulrich2023]

You are so right!

[@hinesjared87]

@@TakeYourMoneyAndRun… always.

[@fluctuations23]

That would be a good idea, but the shows aren't the same as the movies, so maybe it wouldn't work?

[@cantevenandrew]

​@@hinesjared87i see what you did there😂 execute protocol 42.

[@jmasey52]

Dox scene was by far the most disturbing. You could hear the liquid hitting the floor and Ms minutes just being a psychopath and smiling 😳

[@georgewashington7982]

Ye that was pretty brutal for an off screen death ngl

[@dragoncat5767]

So there were disturbing scenes but not just shown

[@damianaustin0726]

I kinda wish we could have seen the aftermath when B15 came in.

[@josephyr]

@@georgewashington7982it hit bc of ep 2 when Loki was using it to scare brad so that scene paid off

[@yankiuhui2550]

Imagine if that scene comes from the Boys? @@

[@SparrowKhan]

Can we please talk about the box scene and how psychotic miss minutes was. That smile, those cries, and the dripping blood were horrifying.

[@SSJV3GIT0]

Mate this episode was everything we didnt know we wanted

[@kai_winchester_66]

omg that was disturbing especially the dripping sounds and you don't see anything which makes always makes it worse

[@zsyhan15]

It reminds me of Nope's monster. Needless to say I was horrified.

[@shadesco]

I thought we’d see it and I panicked

[@needum9212]

i thought it was funny

[@spinjitzumasterfalcon]

I just stared at my screen with utter disbelief and shock. That ending...wow...Where has this kind of Marvel content been?!

[@NewRockstars]

THIS is why we don't make videos titled "Is Marvel DEAD?" Because they can still pull off moments like this.

[@7Halos]

SAME

[@gflores8985]

I was literally stuck there the same way!

[@austinramsdail8528]

i literally had to rewatch the end a few time because i was like "is that what just happened?" i absolutely love season 2 and i hope marvel continues this level of detail, it's what makes it so good.

[@stevenbahena5956]

I actually saw it coming. I thought something bad was gonna happen at such an anticipated moment. That the Loom was going to blow up. It did.

[@UrieNanashi]

I found the handshake with OB interesting because Victor has been so against partnerships. I wonder if it implies that OB might have been the only one Kang was willing to really work with (hence him being the only one with his memories still in tact.) this episode was amazing.

[@m2pmd70]

It reminded me of the claymation-style shot of HWR shaking hands with another Kang. Maybe OB is a Kang variant. It sure seems like he has... "remained." 🤔

[@mightbeapersonmaybe8379]

I initially thought this was another moment of timely trying to gain the upper hand on the people around him but it actually could be for now he wouldn't mind partnering with OB just two dudes with a love of science

[@stefdelev]

​@@mightbeapersonmaybe8379Right exactly, cuz OB is the one person who Victor has always respected

[@HiroHir0]

Or is it because OB doesn't have the will to lead, and that's why Victor/Kang likes to work with him. Hmmm...

[@Duaality.]

I think Timely was the one Kang that wasn't going to turn out malevolent, which is why he was spaghettified as soon as he tried to "be the hero"

[@JunkieRemix]

I can’t get over how Victor was literally ripped to strands, reminds me when Wanda did the same to Reed and how much pain he was in. Of course Victor’s had to be worse because first his skin went, then muscles, then bones and everything else. He felt all of that and it’s just terrible to think about..

[@NewRockstars]

Agreed. They put so much detail into showing how real and painful the loss truly was.

[@mynachspark22]

Or one of the Ant-Mans in Quantumania

[@SirsasthNigam.]

Correction-838 Reed

[@mynachspark22]

@@SirsasthNigam.I’m sure everyone got that. It’s not like he said 10375 Reed. There was probably no need to ‘correct’ him.

[@felixfelix8996]

He should have been called Victor Untimely..due to his untimely death😂😂

[@travelledbones]

Genuinely one of the best MCU episodes/movies ever made. Non-stop all episode. Shocking and horrifying death of Dox and minutemen. Thrilling, unpredictable ending with a Infinity War style cliffhanger. 10/10 wow

[@josephblasko26]

I think my problem might be that I watch Gen V after Loki. Loki is teletubbies after that

[@samgorbun4789]

@@josephblasko26I watch them back to back and love them both

[@dragoncat5767]

Loki series is the best for me, because it explores the multiverse and shows how minute the events of infinity stones were

[@prathamdhoka6418]

@@josephblasko26 Gen V has sex and r rated violence. Its gratification you seek. I love Gen V too, but saying that Loki falls shorts, nah never.

[@niklashannemann8482]

Other way around for me, I feel and love both of them and imo they dont take away from another, maybe thats the "fault" of what to watch first?

[@nmkbanzee4787]

The acting from everyone is just outstanding, writing is mostly great as well, this team is really carrying Marvel

[@Football__is__life-k]

I agree. Acting of every actors is Fantastic. We can't get better than this. This was peak episode.

[@Mainero313]

Absolutely

[@O00InKs000]

It's quite saddening to think that in the final moments of this episode (before the blast reaches Loki and the rest of them) Loki has only known loss, and how it feels to lose at almost every turn of his life. Even when he tries to play the Hero, he seemingly ends up losing. He just keeps on losing, even when he tried so hard to do good. This is, in my head at least, what I see Loki realizing as the explosion nears them.

[@samurexatlas7373]

"Do you think what makes a Loki a Loki, is that we always lose?"

[@user-Vickywins]

Thor also lost people in his life mother,father ,love ,Asgard,loki so little bit similar of loki and thor to lose

[@weisheng4677]

Not wrong there

[@hafizahajrahrehman8739]

remember ! in the season one he said : We may lose .. sometimes painfully... But we don't die... we survive !!!! I guess the final moments of this season will definitely be different than the final moments of this episode

[@XavierTheRed]

Great thought here.

[@thesquirrelwhotriedtoeatme640]

Victor's death was so sudden. I was watching it with my parents and as he walked out of the door me and my mum both said aloud something along the lines of "what if he di-" but it was cut off by him being completely obliterated into spaghetti. It was so shocking and sudden. Where have these marvel writers been hiding?

[@cheetah219]

Right? It's like every Kang is destined to die by their own decisions and overlooking something critical

[@thesquirrelwhotriedtoeatme640]

@@cheetah219 Exactly! That's probably how they'll try and defeat them all in the end - using their own choices

[@joshmoreau6023]

This episode was the best thing to come out of the mcu since endgame. It had EVERYTHING in it, and they weren’t afraid to go the extra mile with a huge payoff. Jaw still on the ground after that ending

[@NewRockstars]

Totally agreed! Nice to know Marvel can still deliver gut-punch endings!

[@Bob-hv6dy]

So no way home or gotg 3 wasn’t good?

[@MrMelonGuy42]

​@@Bob-hv6dyno one said that?

[@SirsasthNigam.]

Wait till you see Kang Dynasty

[@lovell8983]

@@Bob-hv6dy one thing is good doesn't mean others thing has to be bad

[@nmkbanzee4787]

This Series is single handedly proving that there is no superhero fatigue at all, we just need good writing!

[@sipenarekbecha7193]

yeah + some HUGE stakes too 🤯

[@EngrPalits]

What MCU really needs - Good writing - Stakes - Very Less Humor That's it MCU gives us Repetative movies & series really gives you fatigue

[@CineScarborough]

​@@EngrPalitsBut Loki has plenty of humour.

[@HisoSenpai]

there's no superhero in this series tho

[@greyson3421]

Exactly

[@MrRobertGillan]

That ending had my jaw on the floor. What a devastating episode.

[@heatherfeather7199]

It had Victor’s jaw literally on the floor as well. I’ll see myself out.

[@devathey]

my jaw literally disappear

[@dolorusedd2586]

​@@heatherfeather7199too soon

[@jasonkable1462]

I actually started to fast forward and check to see if my app crashed or something lol

[@daphenomenalz4100]

​@@jasonkable1462😳

[@AjithGiri-dz2mu]

Loki series is getting better and better. Im loving it.

[@NOTLKU86]

Since season 1

[@impudentquips]

Ba da da da taaaa I'm loving it.

[@ArbiterofMankind]

@@NOTLKU86PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DONT FALL FLAT LIKE MANDALORIAN.

[@NOTLKU86]

@@ArbiterofMankind dang mando fell flat ??

[@ArbiterofMankind]

@@NOTLKU86 Mando S3 was ass. Made me wonder if the first two were even good to begin with.

[@josephwalker2583]

Victor Timely being spaghettied was a moment that sent his aura through all of the branches. In which case, all kangs were born across all timelines after that moment. He who remains knew this and needed all variants so he could be created. In a sense, Victor Timely is He Who Remains but, he's also all of the other Kangs as well....

[@turkishdelight6032]

Interesting…

[@jimba6486]

I think you are right. The Pheonix that incinerates and arises from ashes for eternity.

[@Pranckall]

could it be said that he who remains knew victor would want to play hero so that was why he was the kang varient that was triggered?

[@jadahunt6124]

This is probably one of the best theories

[@ben_jammin9470]

Definitely possible, but my money is still on Loki pulling a Hermione and time-warping back to his (still-unpruned) past timeline to prevent all of this from happening, including Victor's death.

[@peter79758]

I really liked how happy OB looked when Mobius was saying how great his model is. The joy on his face brings me joy.

[@TrayTerra]

Victor Timely ultimately ended up being one of the most tragic characters in the MCU so far. As a young boy, groomed or pushed along towards reaching his potential as a scientist and engineer. All of the fascinating things he got to experience because of who he is on the Multiversal scale, albeit a humble variant…that died…trying to help, and make sure it worked himself… Tragic.

[@wobsoriano]

Noooooo this makes me sad

[@TheDiamondCore]

Definitely up there, but Thor and Wanda are unmatched

[@franjaime200]

Loki is not dead yet.

[@dragoncat5767]

So,he actually was one of the good variants of kang

[@Lilnate_17]

I can’t believe he died i his character was so cool

[@M123-v8b]

It’s so refreshing to see how Marvel studios can do a significant build up and then reconnect everything at the end. To me (and probably everyone else) they should be taking their time with producing such thoughtful series and movies cause the way they handled each episode to connect back and then explain everything that we didn’t know before is so well done. They took their time to produce this series and weren’t rushed by Disney+’s expectations which leads to more time actually making marvel content like in the past. (Aka stuff connecting back and genuine drama/shock level)

[@JamesLawner]

This episode was incredible! I can’t even imagine what the last 2 eps are gonna be! 😫 Also, the speech Loki gave about how it’s easy to destroy, but it’s hard to fix/rebuild, really felt relevant to what’s going on in our world 😢

[@ZyliceLiddell]

So is all his talk about ‘war.’ ☹️

[@lovell8983]

I literally just watched this episode and think: "Huh neat they will made it in time.. like _always_ ". But the moment Timely was shredded made me stunned in disbelief. This episode is so good.

[@faliqfahmie]

Shredded like Victor 😔

[@WHTJunior]

One of the funniest parts of that last scene is Mobius standing there like he's going to fight the explosion.

[@zoilamedina6936]

I still can’t get over poor Victor Timely. It seemed like all he wanted to do was just help out and after he was finally done getting pushed around and decided to be a hero himself, he died. Like man it actually made me sad 😭

[@thestarseeker8196]

He always tried to do the right thing. 😞

[@Loki_Poki1280]

It's was crushing. Like when it happens your heart kinda sinks cuz he was a really fun and like innocent character. They way he just died in like a second, so quick and over with was really shocking 💔😭

[@wideawakewayne9556]

Same especially the way he screamed just before he vanished into thin air hit differently I actually felt bad for him

[@Sam-hw2rt]

​@@Loki_Poki1280Know what else was crushing, the box

[@rationaltruth2k]

He didn't even get to taste the cup of hot co cocoa.😢

[@markg.7014]

I was ready for Victor to be the hero and save the day. And that ending. I was shocked with what I saw. Totally had the same feeling after I saw infinity war.

[@Loki_Poki1280]

When Victor got Spaghettified . . .💔😧😢😖😣😫😭😫🤧

[@markg.7014]

@@Loki_Poki1280 right!!! I wasn't sure how to process what I saw. I was so excited for his moment to save the day and then POP!! Gone just like that.

[@kai_winchester_66]

it was over so quick I didn't have time to process it.

[@Stevie_G_Me]

I'm convinced Victor was changed after he put his head in the scanner. After that act, he no longer stuttered and even his body language was different. He knew what would happen when he stepped out there and wanted it to happen for some unknown as yet reason.

[@jjunboxing000]

He's a professional conman, I think he may have been faking his stutter the whole time, and when he realises whats at stake he sort of snaps out and realises it has to be him so theres no point in lying anymore, idk its an interesting though.

[@Ravenx_44]

Its how He gets Loki and Silvi to Lead the TVA

[@UVClipz]

This was Avengers Infinity War for the Loki Crew. They all failed. It was genuinely one of the saddest Marvel episodes I've ever watched. I don't know why, but it was. 😢

[@elly7199]

Heart wrenching

[@fiercepierce2634]

Wierd coffee scene is of Rama tut, wanting a slave to taste it before he tries. Old you kang, just like history of tastes oh death

[@MarrvelFan123]

@Nahyep444i started laughing when it happened

[@ThisCurrentCulturePodcast]

@@MarrvelFan123Me too! 😂😂😂

[@cliffjumper416]

​@Nahyep444Same! I was shocked for the entire time after this

[@IceMetalPunk]

I'd like to pedantically point out that the Grandfather Paradox and the Bootstrap Paradox are not the same thing. In fact, they're basically inversions of each other. The Bootstrap Paradox is when you have a causal loop, making it so that something ultimately causes itself; in other words, where A causes B which causes A again. So for instance, the TVA guidebook caused Victor to invent stuff, but Victor's inventions caused OB to write the guidebook; so that's a Bootstrap Paradox. The Grandfather Paradox, on the other hand, is when an event *prevents* itself from occurring. So you kill your grandfather, which causes you not to be born, but then that prevents you from killing your grandfather. For the OB/Victor connection to be a Grandfather Paradox, Victor getting the guidebook would somehow have to prevent Rennslayer from giving him the guidebook, which isn't what happened. Sorry to be pedantic; I'm a nerd. Carry on.

[@pushog5781]

Thanks for going into detail! Never be sorry for being a helpful person.

[@StereoGraph4]

Now thats interesting

[@princessofskill]

That's interesting, thank you I wouldn't have understood if it weren't your comment

[@kylanwilson2754]

@NewRockstars has been real quiet since this comment

[@franklinrapp6635]

no reason to be sorry, its a very well worded and kind correction! thank you!

[@thatnuccadp]

“You’ll never be him” gave me chills

[@Arjay404]

That Viktor death was so shocking and amazing, the VFX did a beautiful job showing just how horrific something like this might be.

[@augustus4107]

he is still alive

[@MadameWesker]

Literally gasped

[@puppetfae]

my jaw DROPPED 😅

[@darkangellew]

I don’t think he’s dead!!!

[@rogueriot6542]

Actually that's not exactly how spaghettification would happen but for the sake of "artistic approach" this is brilliant.

[@kingseanthefirst]

I think the moment victor "died" is when all kangs were created. I believe his essence was spread throughout the entire multiverse when he spaghettied. Matter cannot be created or destroyed meaning he spaghettied across time and space and every timeline outside of the tva. It would explain a lot and also why the one above all never stops him.

[@ethanaurora9580]

Yea I think so too

[@krodpaz15]

I was thinking the exact same thing

[@annsplate9314]

I feel you. It kind of reminded me of that episode of Doctor Who when Clara (I think) got split up across time.

[@RowingGrub]

I came here to say the same thing. I don't think he died. I think this is his origin story!

[@Mjsports3730]

The one above all? You mean He who remains

[@yanvid]

Writing for this show since season 1 is amazing. People who work on Loki should be working on more Marvel projects in the future.

[@fairyandthem0on]

the sounds of bloods dripping when they were *crushed* was very horrifying and i like the choice of not showing the poor tva hunters being tortured but rather just leaving it to our imaginations and x-15's reaction (and ofc the show's rating)

[@timgreen7038]

Very much like Tony Mantana's reaction when his friend/brother was chainsawed to death in the shower in front of him...

[@alanwong5440]

They're reusing the same effect to torture us like they did back in Guardians 3. It's more horrifying for us to imagine what's happening than showing us what actually happens.

[@Rhenzik1031]

Police/military often hold the top of their bullet proof vests like how Brad did with his collar, as a place to rest their arms. It's a method of relieving some of the heaviness they feel due to the combined weight of all the gear they wear around their waist and chest. It would make sense for Brad to, instinctively, hold his collar like this since he's a former Guard.

[@huntermillz]

Facts!!!! As prior army I did that all the time

[@machadogreg]

Same with football players and shoulder pads with a heavy helmet

[@jaybinkley184]

Current mp, can confirm

[@tellguzzo9848]

He also is seen in episode 1 doing just that before they ended up slapping a collar on him.

[@ZyliceLiddell]

I was wondering why he stood like that in the first episode.

[@TheBaBaTV]

Whatever happens to all of them , I really hope someone survives and try’s to re unite the team, this team is so beautiful together !

[@Brix6642]

I was kinda starting to like this variant of He Who Remains, Victor Timely mostly got pushed around throughout each episode. Not being able to do anything other than go along with it and it all ended with him being spaghettified is terrifying, sounds painful too so that variant can have a little space in my heart because he may have returned the favor to Loki when Loki saved him from Renslayer, saving anyone of them to get spaghettified so that variant is a hero in my book

[@dabornot]

Well put

[@ciarankinsella1110]

What an episode. Best of the season so far for sure!

[@NewRockstars]

YUP

[@AceyFlamez]

It was really good

[@wongbenyb2679]

I dont like though, how easy it is for Rennslayer to go back to TVA.

[@jlalbin]

The handshake between OB and Victor Timely is reminiscent of when He Who Remains was explaining to Loki and Sylvia at the End of Time the handshakes given when they discovered the multiverse and greeted each other.

[@shaunyajoyner9256]

This episode was soooooooo gruesome. A part of me hoped that Dox would want to do the right thing after talking to b15, it just made me mad as hell that they were basically killed right away and not able to redeem themselves 😭 and not Victor getting spaghettified 😭💀

[@georgewashington7982]

I have a feeling they’ll all be back

[@lovell8983]

@@georgewashington7982 you often dont come back as red paste lol

[@liam1318]

@@lovell8983well we know Loki will eventually time slip to mobius as a JetSki salesmen so he could time slip again to that previous tva and pull victor out

[@stevenbahena5956]

I don't get how there weren't any monitors in that holding room to see Renslayer in it. But I guess for the story.

[@lovell8983]

@@stevenbahena5956 yeah ikr I would have peeked every few minutes or so because I didnt have anything better to do anyway lol guessed those 2 guards right at the door were slackers

[@itsRecords]

This episode was insane. I CANNOT believe that creators who saw all 4 episodes at once had to deal with this cliffhanger for 4 weeks😂

[@aitorcheca6062]

I don't think Timely died or vanished from time, there's two possibilities. 1.- he was teleported to a future branch where Kang is and he learns from Kang like the comics Kang learned from silver centurion, and then he uses that technology to go back to the past to create/fix the TVA. 2.- By "Spaghettizing" he is duplicated into EVERY branch (past, present and future) so he could go forward with the TVA manual [he still carried] and progress with technology and becoming EVERY Kang variant we saw in the end of Quantumania (including silver centurion, Rama Tut and Immortus) so then starts the story He Who Remains told us about that he discovered other universes. This is only for Timely, maybe Mobius, Loki and the rest will survive the destruction of the TVA like the trailers or something.

[@user-nz9fl9lo2n]

those are also valid scenarios… my thoughts are that victor timley got summoned to the council of kangs.

[@casper2694]

​@@user-nz9fl9lo2nbut that doesn't make sense since in the Colosseum scene we see all the Kangs teleport through a time door alright and intact, it's pretty clear Victor went through something else, and besides, at the current state that he's in, he would be of no help to the Council, he'll need his suit, timepad and some war experience first if he has any hope of contributing, he's got nothing to contribute to the Council for now. Which leads me to believe that he, alongside Quantumania Kang might become He Who Remains since both of them were not summoned at the Colosseum, so if they're alive they're free to do whatever the hell they want, heck they might even be the same people, time travel and multiversal shit is just so confusing

[@Infamous41]

I think he's Victor Timely is who remained

[@altdoom5205]

The Marvel magic was felt throughout this episode! OMG! Jonathan Majors, OB, Loki.. everyone brought their A Game to an amazing spectacular episode that keeps the heart racing long after the episode ends!! Bravo Marvel!

[@scotiancoast4498]

I love this series. I just wish it had more than 6 episodes per season and I really hope there's gonna be a season 3.

[@Football__is__life-k]

Ofcourse there will be. Maybe in 2025

[@nickshad6665]

Unless it ends with him reuniting in universe with everyone

[@omalor]

With all the instances of self-fulfilling prophecies shown, we'll probably see a scene with Mobious running around the TVA, then accidentally tine slipping to the past, so he runs into OB's office, then, to avoid any more confusion, he promptly leaves, which would explain OB's story of Mobious walking into his office and leaving quickly 400 years ago.

[@larastaci]

And giving his nickname “OB”

[@GlassesnMouthplates]

Damn, that actually may explain Mobius seemed unsure if he had met OB before but OB was actually sure that Mobius did drop by at his workshop albeit briefly.

[@ryan2985k]

We need Disney to keep being this dark and more like this more often. Death and killing is much better than everyone living every episode every season

[@zeroline19]

It's never about killing and death. It's the element of surprise. The movie was sure to direct our thoughts to think that Timely is going to make it work. BUT IT DIDN'T.

[@rafinha7081]

Yes, we need marvel to grow up and shock us like that.

[@thestarseeker8196]

There were stakes and consequences and nobody is fully safe from either. That's why its so good, that's why many classic action or sci-fi films are so good as well, even if we "know" TMC is gonna make it, there isn't this constant safety cage around the movie.

[@TySpurk]

I think that either Loki is going to somehow time slip right before everyone gets destroyed or that being exposed to the timeline will reset you and send you back to your original place in the timeline but no matter what I'm excited to see what happens next

[@wrathybear]

But the real question is how though? He basically pulled himself out of the loop, there's no way he can slip between the past and future again.

[@TySpurk]

@@wrathybear Well in the trailer he does time slip in areas not shown yet in the episodes

[@Johnnyversetti6969]

This ending gave me chills as you see everyone realizing just how they are fucked. And then the amazing explosion!!

[@SergioGaming2001]

I personally think that when the loom explodes, Loki and Sylvie got teleported into a branch of timeline. That's why we see loki teleporting to piranha powersports, and Sylvie in a storage unit or some sort. Loki and Sylvie I think would try to travel back, to try and save the TVA. I think episode 5 would be all about how Loki and Sylvie would meet up. And in episode 6 Loki and Sylvie will travel back to the void, where Renslayer is, and they fight, but Loki and Sylvie wins. They go back to the TVA, realizing they didn't fix anything. They only managed to keep the TVA from getting destroyed.

[@linadadyke3829]

Thinking the same thing

[@TheShnitzel]

I think only Loki will escape, by timeslipping outta there.

[@konekohaerin]

​@@TheShnitzelhis timeslipping was fixed tho? I don't understand how that will work

[@vincent6875]

what drug did you take? the tva is gone it just exploded. But ya its not over with renslayer butt idont know thats what gonna happen.

[@TheShnitzel]

@@konekohaerin well, "fixed" could have simply meant they managed to stabilize him to not timeslip uncontrollably. I'm guessing he will now be able to sort of control it

[@ericahughes6483]

This entire season is about causality loops right? In episode one, Loki discovers Oroborus' name is OB. He time slips back to before he had the nickname and gives him the nickname. I think the moment Victor finds out OB's name is the key to OB's origin. I think Victor timeslips back to the beginning, sees Ke Huay Kwan's character and calls him Oroborus, both because he had learned his name in this episode, but also because it is completing the time loop. Remember, OB has met Victor before and has a very similar reaction to remembering Victor's name as when he remembers creating the device to bring Loki back from timeslipping. But it also answers the biggest question about why OB's memory is not erased. He Who Remains needs OB to remember all of these events in order for the time loop to work. Much like Loki remembering the moment he was pruned and then choosing to complete the loop, for He Who Remains' plan to work he needs OB to remember Victor and go through the motions that lead to Victor's death, which I think is possibly just time slipping back to the beginning.

[@scorpiusbalthazar4327]

We don't know if OB met Victor before, he only said he learned from him. That doesn't mean he met him. Also, OB's memory has been erased before. He said he couldn't remember the very beginning, so it's just that his memory hasn't been erased in a long time whereas it seems like that happens regularly to most TVA employees.

[@Improv_jav]

@@scorpiusbalthazar4327Not necessarily. It’s almost a contradiction to him “learning everything he knows” from victor timely. This line also proves they never met each other. However, I do believe OP is right, we will have a moment where it’s established Victor names him this, because it’s almost like he’s a tool. I think it might be the opposite, OB will signify something to whatever variant that comes next.

[@midniteboom2373]

This series has been great, I love seeing Loki’s character development. Can’t wait to see where they go from here.

[@ztwilisrealm]

This episode of Loki, gave my soul the chills. The way Victor died, the people in the tva box died, was just so terrifying.. I believe Loki should've been the one to walk out there cause he was pulled out remember? His body didn't get torn to shreds. It's also funny how 42 is mentioned on season 2 episode 4 " 2 & 4 "

[@joshhigdon4951]

How do you know everyone died? Remember Loki pruning Loki?

[@dansophilip2033]

His body didn't get torn to shred because the radiation wasn't as high as it was when Victor got shredded

[@capnsteele3365]

@@joshhigdon4951 that was apart of the time loop loki experiences initially,

[@joshhigdon4951]

@@capnsteele3365 i'm wondering if we don't see something similar to start episode 5! Been a really good season. Glad to see it!

[@Keatonconnor]

In the trailer he does go out there but he doesn't have the device and that's the scene when sylvie and mobius are locked out so he's doing a sacrifice.

[@Porkchopulous]

I almost feel like Victor is the first kang. His spaghetti moment was his essence being spread across all timelines. I so hope there's some epic cameos that appear from these events

[@justonian_]

He’s the original and most pure of his variants looks like his technology & ideas will be manipulated by his variants! Remember he came from the sacred timeline not a branched reality.

[@pokechatter]

@@justonian_But this Victor is from a branched timeline.

[@justonian_]

@@pokechatter Just fact checked this is true!! Now I’m wondering why they tracked Timely in a branched timeline & not the sacred one Renslayer left TVA handbook in!?

[@jakeybakey101]

@@justonian_ because the timeline branched from the sacred timeline when Renslayer delivered the book

[@atomicgamez445]

@@pokechatterVíctor is from the sacred timeline, Rena layer giving him the tea handbook then turned that timeline into a branched one since that wasn’t supposed to happen

[@matthewhaggerty2089]

Hear me out: what if Victor Timely getting spaghetti-fied by the temporal aura actually ended up splitting him across the various timelines. Since he is now spread across the different timelines he can develop time travel technology at various different points (think Clara Oswald in Doctor Who), leading to variants of himself meeting and then the Kang war He Who Remains warned Sylvia and Loki about. Basically Victor Timely Spaghetti-fied -> variants of Victor (Kang) everywhere -> Kang Time War -> He Who Remains. This could be the very incident that completes the loop.

[@NorthernLaw_]

This episode was awesome, I was NOT expecting half the things that happened. They really put a lot into this show and I love that.

[@BadGoodmanGaming]

What caused Loki to start time slipping in the first place? Sylvie sending him in the past to a different version of the TVA. So how will he start time slipping again? Sylvie, in a last-ditch effort to save herself and everyone else will sending everyone (or maybe just Loki and herself) back in the past again, so they can fix the timeline and not be destroyed.

[@Ayush-ye3wy]

Wow...that sounds good.

[@Dhinghis]

Nope, they just need to be prooned

[@rafinha7081]

Makes sense since they're footage of Loki with that prison suit again.

[@chelsearunyan]

We still don’t know how Loki time slipping happen. But we do know it’s going to happen again. So he may up stopping Victor from going out there.

[@jakekoethler7206]

Timely has been playing them; his goal was to enter the loom and shed his temporal aura throughout the timelines. The thing with the coffee machine was an attempt to erase the guard’s memory so he could slip away to do this.

[@professor_incognito]

But what would it have given him exactly? He will be dead after that and, so to speak, out of his corpse mushrooms start growing. Also, how could he erase the guard's memory? 🤔

[@oscarcovarrubias5874]

That's what I sensed too! It was suspicious for me when he showed way to much amazement for the hot cocoa machine. He's way to smart for that.

[@secla_SC]

Jonathan Majors is such a damn good actor. In two episodes he made me care for a Variant of a multiversal maniac. I was actually rooting for Victor Timely and was genuinely devastated when he died (or maybe he isn't dead idk).

[@huntermillz]

Victor timely is a bebe kid lol "we don't die we multiply"

[@MrLee-cy1pw]

The entire TVA was blasted with temporal energy, so it's safe to say everyone was spaghettified just like Victor Timely. I think everyone is going to be time slipping all over various timelines next episode which explains why Loki is seen time slipping at the Jet Ski dealership in the trailers.

[@Tevin-MK]

Ohhhhhh

[@wideawakewayne9556]

The way the time stream thing exploded at the end and was heading towards Loki and the rest of them on the tva just before the explosion hit it felt like everything and anything that ever existed was about to be wiped out and erased especially and the way Loki turned he’s head to the side right at the end was class can’t wait for the next episode

[@sonqbryd16]

Jonathan Majors comedic timing is great! That comment about stuttering was hilarious 😂

[@Riku-zv5dk]

I think He Who Remains whole backup plan involved bringing spaghettified and pulled across the timeline. O.B. explained that if Loki is spaghettified he would be lost to time, I theorise this is how Kang's variants got spread Kang got spread across the multiverse in so many points of time, he was decomposed by the high levels of temporal radiation and pulled into the Loom, and as the Loom collapses and the energy is released in the meltdown, what was Viktor is scattered over the various points in time and eventually recomposing themselves back into individuals from Viktor's spaghettified essence. If this is all one big time loop, then it explains how someone like Viktor, born in the 19th century, can end up in the 31st century to discover the multiverse.

[@Andrew-ww1hz]

Mind = blown

[@jamesandrewcorvera627]

This is something

[@JeremyTanWY]

THIS

[@zahandooo8269]

I think you're on to something bruv

[@daphenomenalz4100]

But Victor got ripped apart to his death unlike just stretching what loki goes through. You can see blood 💀

[@crazychicke233]

I think there's something up with the hot chocolate other than it being dead bodies. Theres a reason he was so obsessed with it and the camera constantly zooming. Theres something about it that involves time. Like it's a VERY important thing. The phone call as well. I think these are super important moments that will be explained again later on.

[@casper2694]

Can't help but recall MIB 3 where Agent J has a sudden craving for chocolate milk, which leads to Agent O discovering Boris the Animal used a time machine to alter history since apparently chocolate milk cravings equals time travel shenanigans, maybe it could be a reference to that? Or it could just be that our beloved future genocidal tyrant just so happens to love chocolate milk and was surprised that machines exist now to make them

[@fortgunv6465]

I really don't think so I think it's another red Haring about him having invented it but that's it

[@prestigemultimediagroup6436]

Overthinking it much?

[@SailorDeath]

When we saw Victor Timely die, we were really seeing was the creation of all his variants, he was shreded into strings each one going to it's own reality.

[@vegannem6122]

Yeah just like in the comics. In comics he used the loom instead of shredding.

[@TurusDJava]

Witch is why he insisted on being the one to do it

[@dvdarshan]

He died, right?

[@Tevin-MK]

@@dvdarshantime slipped

[@vegannem6122]

@@dvdarshan yes he died but his temporal aura is distributed into the multiverse which would give birth to the kang variants

[@doctorboots1604]

I was 100% sure they were going to use Timely fixing the Temporal Loom as a way to seed himself through all of the branched timelines effectively creating the variants that will start the Time War. Imagine my surprise.

[@TakeYourMoneyAndRun]

Maybe this is how he gets distributed to all the timelines.

[@alajnabiya]

That was my assumption. He was ripped to bits and sort of seeded into every timeline.

[@pallavsarkar2818]

​@@TakeYourMoneyAndRun No it's just he born in different universe just like other variants did.

[@ALFAMALEGENERAL]

He told ren and ms minutes they were going to love his idea... he is a known conman... The device (small globe) was to do exactly that... send him to the future and seed him

[@jeanconde983]

My maternal instincts told me the same! I think Timely wanted to manifest his physical being in timelines themselves 😅

[@hkproductions_]

Lol OB and Victor fangirling over each other 'It's like a snake eating its tail!'

[@aldrinlagarde]

This is Loki S2 making things good for the current MC phase. This is the most enjoyable thing the MCU has done in a while. I love it.

[@mjcaggiano]

I think there is something more to Ms Minutes last words... right before those last words, her voice was one of concern, not wicked, almost as if there was a variant of herself trying to warn Timely, but the evil varient won at the end and said you'll never be him

[@Zombo84]

Good idea I support it.

[@dennisrodrigues9281]

Reading through all this comments not one stressed on this... I think Victor timely is just playing them all along & I don't know why just a gut feeling Loki gonna turn and it's gonna be dark

[@HutchTouch416]

I am constantly blown away by this show. This season is a masterpiece.

[@redgyrados2000]

So one very important question I haven't seen anyone talk about yet: why was that recording of HWR and Renslayer in the TVA? Given that the conversation happened moments before HWR mind-wiped everyone, who brought that recording to the TVA, and why?

[@morgan1076]

Good point and does that mean all of Ravona or He Who Remains’s spoken words are recorded like everyone else?

[@tilmerkan3882]

And why would he put a record of what is said in his secret lair into the tva?

[@philosophymeetcomedy]

Okay, I love the fact that this is essentially the Red Wedding episode of Loki, and also has Kate Dickie.

[@ZyliceLiddell]

😂

[@AndrewPepperstone]

I was wondering if Victor’s death now plants his temporal aura all over the newly emergent timelines, creating the Kang variants.

[@markboor6494]

This is what I've been saying, those strands 100% got scattered across multiple branch timeliness

[@jesusgarcia-xj2mz]

Wait how does this work tho?.

[@dajnor]

I think that could be part of it. Though, I think we may see HWR, Timely and The Conqueror reassembled as a sum greater than the parts - The Beyonder. He's reached a more nuanced understanding no individual Kang could alone because of their distrust. I also think Timely is the MCU version of Iron Lad.

[@cold_irl7365]

I feel like victor knew this would happen. He seemed too ramdomly eager to try and fix the loom. Think this is another moment he's "seen in a dream" but is starting to realize the significance of dreams

[@Devilraign]

Victor said “it should be me, I’m the only one who knows how the multiplier works”. What I think, is that the 3 time keepers are real, and it’s victor, OB and Casey. Only those 3 have “read” the TVA handbook and all 3 of them seem to know everything about everything, but only give enough information out - to not arouse suspicion. I think victor’s comment is literal “it should be me, and I’m the only one who knows how to ‘multiplier’ works. In other words - I’m confident that all those 3 knows what the time loop is, and how it begins and ends. Therefore they ensure it goes to plan, everytime. So I think victor does it, because he wants his essence to by multiplied, and the spaghetti he turns into, are now variants of him. Each strand going into a different timeline at different points in time - hence why each variant is in a different period. He basically creates his own variants, to give validation to why he needs to be “god” and stop them all, creating his own timeline.

[@collinhill473]

OB built the TVA! Think about it. He knows how everything works. He literally wrote the book. He has more memories than anybody else in the TVA. Victory Timely shook his hand and formed a partnership on his own accord. This alludes to the fact that the only person that can be trusted in a partnership is OB.

[@Gumby3115]

At 29:10 the error code 0x00000050 (at least in Windows) is an error code meaning PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA, usually meaning a RAM/Memory or corruption issue. I know Ms. Minutes isn't running on Windows, but it's still the most common result when you search for the hex code

[@j.how3ll858]

What am I going to do when the LOKI series ends. This series is A++ storytelling.

[@toxickaran8911]

In Upcomming Two Episodes :- 1. TVA Spagetifying. 2. Sylvie Spagetifying. 3. Kace in Dark Tunnel or Something. 4. B-15 in Hospital or something in white coat. 5. Morbius in Jet ski store. 6. Loki at last walking Himself into the Loom.

[@mr.awesome111]

Speculation or...?

[@Tevin-MK]

@@mr.awesome111trailers perhaps

[@makokiller13]

Also Loki's fear when he sees the Looms destruction slightly mirrors when finds the stones in the desk. Realizing he knows absolutely nothing.

[@asyaabel8847]

I love how victor timely and OB just geeking out when realizing who each other was!!!!

[@jasonkable1462]

When Victor and OB met, that whole scene felt like when Loki time slipped to the older version of OB and the current versions were updated with knowledge in that moment with objects just appearing.

[@risab0o]

Can we take a moment to appreciate Eugene Cordero?? In The Good Place and in Loki?? he’s framed perfectly behind O.B. when he meets Victor and his facial expressions are SO GOOD 😂

[@somesyncguy]

I CRIED AT THE END. its seriously so sad to me how victor died, he was so wholesome 😭😭😭. He never got the signature from ouroboros 😭. i really hope the theory that before the blast hits loki or when the blast hits him, he'll time slip to before that happened will be true.

[@InsaneManiiac]

OMG!!!! I literally felt as if I was ENCHANTED this whole episode. Can the team working on Loki please lead the rest of the Phases out !!! Please 😂

[@ZyliceLiddell]

What enchanted *ME* was his face at the end of the episode! Like that image has been burned into my brain *FOREVER!* 😍🤩

[@GrimlockGuy34]

If anyone remembers the Paradox episode from Ben10 Alien Force, I think that might (kinda) be what happens to Timely. He gets spaghettified into oblivion, but over an eternity is able to piece himself back together with what remains of Timely, into HWR. And all his time ‘powers’ just come from an eternity of experience and understanding

[@Wico90YT]

Loki gets spaghettified too. We see it in the trailer

[@davidjohansson3306]

Or similarly to how Johnathan Osterman was disassembled and came back as Dr Manhattan.

[@TurusDJava]

That's why he wanted to be the one to do it

[@Nam34303]

Wandavision, Loki season one and two, all of the Spiderman movies, Thor: Ragnarok, Guardians 3. In my opinion the best things Marvel has put out. Loki has me hyped for the next phase even though there have been some misfires

[@ninomitchell2039]

The ending, after what happened to Victor at the end, was one of the best moments of the mcu history. I was speechless, looking for Eternity, or the Living Tribunal, or something truely cosmic but nothing.

[@stubbysidwell]

Is it possible that OB is an Eternal? The Eternals didn't know they were Eternals, and early in S1 Loki thinks about if a robot would know they were a robot when getting his temporal aura scanned.

[@jaredsilvers2782]

Marvel: "What's an Eternal?"

[@Kate-OTomato]

The Eternals knew they were Eternals, they just thought their mission was only to protect Earth. They didn't know they were only supposed to protect Earth UNTIL the Celestial was born.

[@juscuzbeats]

Have you guys noticed that Victor Timely's personality changes based on the team he's working with in episodes 5 & 6? He's waaay more relaxed / confident with Renslayer's team. He's way more shy & scary with Loki's team. It really is night & day in the TVA.

[@joewyatt2269]

I don’t think Victor is dead. I think his temporal aura was pulled into the 31st century by someone (possibly the variant of OB) and is the true origin of Kang. He never really came from the 31st century.

[@siyandabhengu3879]

I'm glad you said this😂 I've been feeling like OB is behind the scenes villain

[@wjrasmussen666]

I don't trust the Victor said he should go out to fix it.

[@jolypoly6743]

I think Victor’s prototype looks really similar to Kang’s Time Machine from quantumania and I think there’s def some inspiration in the design there

[@novanotfoundyt]

It’s the same device i think

[@Blackman4440]

@@novanotfoundytdefinitely the same device

[@ColorMeConfused29]

It's the same. Glad someone else noticed.

[@jhank708]

The exterior was the shape of Kang’s ship from Quantumania, but the interior ball resembles the power source ball for Kang’s ship.

[@MichaelTaylor-qp2xf]

Considering what's happened so far this season, I have no idea what comes next and I love it!!

[@derekwinters5296]

What a phenomenal break down. You guys really make me enjoy marvel that much more.

[@SirsasthNigam.]

way more than CinemaSins sinning Stan Lee

[@Fei-Chan]

@@SirsasthNigam. are Cinemasins still a thing? Last time I check they are just basically spoonfeeding rage to every 5-year-old mindset internet person

[@SirsasthNigam.]

@@Fei-Chanyeah thats why Th3Birdman is punishing CinemaSins

[@LineOfThy]

@@Fei-Chan They have fallen far

[@Fei-Chan]

@@LineOfThy they were never funny for me anyway

[@canaljumps]

I seriously can’t understand how can marvel do so bad on she hulk and secret invasion and now deliver this masterpiece of season 2. It’s like they made the other shows suck on purpose

[@JeremiahFierro]

Idk but whoever is running Loki needs to run the whole thang

[@erinstorm8088]

Did anyone else notice that X-5 uses his left hand for the pruning stick when himself, and his right hand when taken over by Sylvie? I don't know if it's going to be a thing or not, but I thought it was a nice touch.

[@oBlackHando]

Just had a thought on the whole OB keeping his memory thing. He has to perform "Maintance" every fer hundred years in the control room for the Loom. Maybe its during this time that the memory wipe happens and being in proximity of the Loom protects him from this. It could be a mistake that he remembers or maybe because of OB and Timely connection he lets him keep his memory and uses the Maintance times to wipe everyones memory every few hundred years.

[@hazri8758]

23:10 this part cracks me up lmao. Anyways, I think Brad were just saying sorry to D-90. Or, does he know?

[@meepinandmorpin]

The pie MUST be a preventative measure for OB to never lose his memory since he and Timely need to continue the loop for the TVA to remain in tact. I imagine they'll be wiped at some point but this pie obsession will save them from the effects.

[@jasonmarbach]

The darkest, bleakest thing marvel has ever done. Absolutely INCREDIBLE television

[@jaydavid2920]

So your just going to ignore the ending of infinity war ? That was far more devastating than this

[@jasonmarbach]

@@jaydavid2920nope. I said darkest and bleakest, not “most devastating.” Infinity War is now in second place. This was far bleaker and darker, IW was only more *devastating* because of our emotional investment in the characters.

[@fireboy7775]

@@jasonmarbach and because of how brutally and instantaneously it happened

[@jaydavid2920]

@@jasonmarbach same difference, isn't the darkest or bleakest,guardians 3 was darker,gimme break lol

[@jaydavid2920]

@@fireboy7775 lol yeah right

[@toonasag]

This episode was such a freaking ride, I was on edge the whole time. And that climax! Omg! This was peak.

[@5hinydrums]

Maybe this could be a "rebirth" of sorts for the MCU. Maybe introducing Mutants, unlocking new scenarios, something like that. I'm getting the vibe that Loki might be the one who brings all the superheroes together for Secret Wars.

[@ZyliceLiddell]

*BINGO!* 😉

[@ryannslogic8387]

The suit must have been a prototype.

[@lgplays714]

😂😂😂😂 yeah everything he makes is a damn prototype hahaha

[@wobsoriano]

@@lgplays714 lmao multiverse ending conman 😂

[@dantepierre1948]

if he used duck tape he would’ve been fine😂😂😉😉

[@tlouiseallen9302]

😅