Banfield: Women delivered by doctor accused of selling more than 200 newborns speak out

Banfield: Women delivered by doctor accused of selling more than 200 newborns speak out
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[@dianacarter8204]

What an incredible determined, steadfast and intelligent woman. God bless her for her relentless quest for truth. Amazing!

[@heatherdowhaluk1369]

If he was actually helping he wouldn’t have made a profit and lied to the mothers.

[@remove574]

That’s the part of the information I would like to see. How much profit he made from it and did others profit. That could open so many more questions

[@xeno4746]

@@remove574 If he sold them for $800 to $1,000 (Ashley's words), then I don't think he made any money (he had to run the clinic, pay staff, etc.). But if he did indeed decide for others and even told mothers that their child was dead is criminal.

[@MrsJenSimpson]

@@xeno4746 $1,000 in 1964 is approximately equivalent to $30,000-$40,000 today. I'm sure he most certainly made profit.

[@carolynjonas4727]

I was adopted through an adoption agency when I was a newborn. I grew up knowing I was adopted and I have no idea what age I was told. It was just common knowledge. As a teen I did go through some stuff because I felt sold at birth. However, I ended up meeting my bio mom and it made me realize how lucky I was to be adopted by my parents. If I would have been told at an older age or lied to about it and found out later it would be very hard to comprehend as to why my parents did not tell me so I knew growing up. Children have the right to know especially when it comes to illnesses that run in your family. Adopted children are blessed kids for sure.

[@conservativeeducator3696]

LEGALLY adopted children are blessed…. 😢

[@carolynjonas4727]

@@conservativeeducator3696 I agree with that completely.

[@damariperez8429]

🤔🤰🤳🧐

[@tammiebrown8317]

@@conservativeeducator3696 Not all of us.

[@misodinamosa]

My dad was stolen from his mom and abused during his childhood. She was bullied into giving him up for adoption by the courts at the time of her divorce. He was almost two years old & remembered seeing his mother awhile after. They had let her come by to see him. It was tragic, he didn’t know until he was 40. I helped him find his mom. They both were emotionally damaged by the adoption. Certainly not the norm, but it was difficult growing up knowing my dad was in pain and not knowing why. My mom was really helpful in communicating my Dad’s love. He did many things that silently showed his love. There are much worse & brutal lives other children have. I’ve always been grateful to have known my real grandmother. 💜🙏🏻

[@catherinestokes198]

I was raised poor , and I wouldn't have it any other way, my mom was the best mom money or not!

[@lifeonwheels5756]

Thank you for saying that, it’s just me and my daughter , I hope she grows up to feel the same way..such a wonderful daughter you are.

[@patti9339]

I always say all kids need is to feel loved! I’m one of 10 kids. Raised poor, but boy did we have a wonderful mother.

[@luckycatnip3667]

I don't share your experience.

[@deblord4220]

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[@deblord4220]

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[@MommaDramaForLife]

We know this is still going on but at a larger level.

[@ccampbell7214]

Yep and even more nefarious outcomes

[@prest4tym577]

Read my story posted at the top. I have NO DOUBTS this continues thru my hometowns DCF & Headstart program where only small children in the system who passed intelligence tests and we're considered beautiful started being taken from the late 1980's up until my friend Ken Presyprerski broke the story of his granddaughter being gone from Head Start when he went to pick her up! Never to be given back again! Beautiful blonde baby! Smart as a whip! Because she had a bruise on her forehead. Though he opened a can of worms that blew up the town, he had a horrific car accident struck by a garbage truck, and is now ...crippled for the most part. Filled with metal. No grandchild. & the complaints continue.

[@mrzstubbz420]

I have a feeling there's some dishonesty surrounding the story with the woman whose mother worked for Hicks. She skirted around the question of what position her mother held in his office and she kept saying she never saw adoptions and then turned right around and said that her mother said all the mom's freely gave up their babies for adoption. Finally I have trouble believing that the mom's left with no emotion after adopting out their new babies, freely or not.

[@DMWBN3]

Started reading your comment just as she came on. Her mother must have known from what I get. Her mum knew the mothers gave the children 'away - given up' with full consent & did it freely. Knows that much & probably knows more. Coming in pregnant & then just strolling out one hour later.

[@thisoldnurse1521]

Yes, the woman who worked for Hick’s, had to have been in on it. There is no way that woman was ignorant or even naive of all that was going on in this “Dr’s” clinic. It isn’t a huge clinic and the town isn’t large either. This “Hicks” guy really preyed on these young single women. I don’t believe for a second that someone actually worked there for years and didn’t know. I don’t. One would have to be stupid not to know.

[@loriscook5231]

All the staff were playing god, they told themselves the babies were going to “good married couples” and away from poverty. By looking the other way they had jobs and an income. The granddaughter and the daughter of the receptionist don’t want to think they were raised on money from sold children. Same sort of shame as having relatives who were slave owners. We cannot change the past, but please at least apologise and say it was wrong.

[@mrzstubbz420]

@@thisoldnurse1521 I think that you're right. It sounded like nonsense and someone wanting to be apart of something so big.

[@kantwinnada]

I agree. I also think that the womans who's mother worked for Hicks told her daughter what had been going on. I felt that she was just lying. My mom didn't know anything ok? My mother said they were never forced, ok? Those statements end with what sounds like a question to me. Or I watch to many body language videos lol

[@samsara-summermooncomehome5881]

I can't comprehend what kind of a person could tell a new mom that their newborn, who they had carried, nurtured, got excited for and planned for, for 9 months, had died, and then go and sell that baby!?!?! Unbelievable!😔

[@elizabethann8228]

And then their children, all these years later, feel like it was “ a blessing “ that this happened?!! 🤯 They’re certainly not thinking about the humanity and what their biological MOTHERS had to live through. 😢 Pitiful.

[@rrrjjj5572]

The last woman interviewed, whose mother worked at the Hicks clinic, reminds me that these were the times when the good white doctor was on a pedestal, a good man who could do no wrong, someone who was unquestioned, to whom all were meant to be grateful. Seems he certainly took advantage of that.

[@01SaltyWitch]

We’re still very much in those times. White Drs are seen as saviors and are able to get away with many wrong-doings.

[@thewatcher5248]

Ya like police and doctors today

[@DMWBN3]

I always remember seeing the Dr as someone who was held in high regard. Want to see a story about trust gone wrong, then have a look into Harold Shipman. He's from England & has quite a story. 🇬🇧👍🏼

[@AnnaMorris411]

@@DMWBN3 thanks for the reference to Shipman! Never heard of him! Going to watch the documentary

[@karenlamb2434]

Doctors of all colors think they’re God. My husband has been sick (cancer survivor) for 15 years and I’m not a fan of any male doctors. I think women make better doctors more empathetic.

[@craftmom5302]

I don't buy for one minute about that lady's Mom not knowing anything! Never seeing anyone upset when leaving! I call southern BS, back then things like that just weren't discussed ever! People like her don't change either, ignorance is bliss.

[@deborahstanfield2894]

.my mom didnt find out she was adopted until she was having to file for s.s. and it didn't match up. It took her 17 yrs to find her mother and 7 brothers and sisters..

[@FC-hj9ub]

Parents are very stupid to not tell their children they're adopted

[@Lissa11638]

WOW, heartbreaking

[@AngiesDoingIt]

This is why they closed the Catholic church down the street from my house. I bet it's a lot of babies stories in that church.

[@WeThePeeps13]

How hard would it have been to find out if the good doc was still practicing, after the plea deal? He had a whole clinic!!! The entire county's complicit. Disgusting. If doc were ethical he wouldn't have had to lie to new moms about their "dead" babies. And, last lady's ridic. First, her mom supposedly, never saw adoptions going on, then, her own sister (the aunt) gave her baby up at the clinic, then...."all the women that came through there willingly left their babies." Well, which one is it? Everybody's entitled to their own perspective. God Bless, all involved. And, May God Have Mercy on our souls.

[@valu1827]

You have brought up some great points. I think she is lying.

[@rare1walking]

I am griefstricken myself, to see the lost, desolate look on this author, who never got to know her mother, father or family, her name, heritage, etc. Her sense of belonging was based on lies. Babies know it's not Mom. I think their sense of self and feeling lovable suffers and they may blame themselves when older, like kids do at losing a parent to death or divorce. Pre- verbal trauma can be hard to overcome, and without the truth, any could get stuck in an emotional response without validation. An angry person is a hurting person, as anger is a defense for pain. Some nebulous emotional storm can make them feel unworthy of love, because an angry person doesn't feel like a nice person. So she wrote a book about this horrible clinic's doctor and the Hicks babies, but that doesn't make her loss any less or take care of the emptiness of being wronged in such a catastrophic way. I wonder if she feels so detached, like her life is a lie from the beginning, feeling invisible as some country doctor decides when he needs money, and which parents are too poor, single or uneducated to raise their own child. He stole from the grandparents, siblings and extended family, too, and left them with the sting of grief when all along their anticipated loved one was still alive. The Hicks baby author probably will always wonder what her real name is, or would have been. Where her mother's heartbeat went, her voice she heard in the womb, nursing from her own mother while being kissed and adored, learning family traits and history. The huge loss and time never able to be made up, is really hard to bear, less hear about. It seems the Doctor helped take care of unwanted pregnancies and illegitimacy in those times to the point of taking on the role of dispersing babies he thought would be better off somewhere else, of course for a fee. That is playing God. Minus the fee.

[@patriciastrang8747]

Wow! The evil in this world is astounding....and the last guest whos mother worked the front desk calling that baby "it" is disgusting and she is a horrible woman for her lack of compassion..her mother is a liar..and she is covering for the embarrassment...sick!!

[@coleengoodell7523]

We know this is happening right now in many 3rd world countries. In some places babies and young children are being kidnapped and sold regularly. I'm not sure how I would feel if I found out that this situation was the truth of my beginning. It seems from these interviews that it depends on how their lives turned out. But to say that this was a positive thing to do for whatever reason is saying that it's ok to sell children. That wasn't, isn't and never will be ok.

[@AkSonya1010]

I understand how hard it was for me in 1987 at 17 years old to have a child, thank God I made it and I was able to raise my son. I can ONLY imagine how hard it was in the 50s and 60s. The question is he a monster or did he help women is interesting. They both have very valid statements. On one hand he helped some children but if he truly lied to women and told them they died that in insane and unimaginable.

[@bkay1535]

Different people. Different circumstances. Different views. It depends upon what your fate would have been in the birth home. Aborted? Abject poverty with ten kids in Appalachia? Mom single & no resources? The crime is the lying---non-consent from the mothers. It's possible that the parents of teen moms conspired with the doc to tell teen the baby died.

[@lisamcdonald2877]

I would not be at all surprised if grandparents were fine with the babies going to families who wanted them. They didn't care about the "sinner" daughters' feelings.

[@glendagrant9042]

In late 90s my husband and I lived in Atlanta. We thought of opening a bed and breakfast up toward North Georgia . We were shown a gorgeous big old house which turned out to have belonged to Dr Hicks. That was when I first learned of this story. I liked the house and it was a good deal but we decided not to do the bed and breakfast. I don't know if that history kept the house from selling or not but the realator was upfront about it. It had of course changed hands by then but it had been Dr Hicks' house.

[@rosep5516]

I feel sad for that military man, and deep inside I think he is in pain.

[@hippieatheart2667]

Incredible story. Hard to even believe.

[@sharonsmith9571]

Very interesting! Thank you for the story!

[@regalstylesbymtg2317]

He had to have a heart of ROCKS.

[@heather71421]

My mother told me when I was 37 (three years ago) that I have a twin sister. Both of my parents seen her, when one of the nurses brought her in for my mother to nurse her. She was already feeding me. Neither one asked anyone at the hospital and really didn’t think anything of it until later on. I have called the vital records to try to find out more but I kept getting told that a supervisor would have to call me back. I’ve taken a DNA test and haven’t found out anything more.

[@elizabethann8228]

I hope you keep trying to locate her!! God bless.

[@QuietStorm710]

Omg, just when you imagine a level of self-indulgent evil, something worse leaves you speechless. This is just next level obscene.😳😡🤬

[@ccampbell7214]

With all the legitimate.adoption agencies adopting kids out ... It bothers me even about the people that are adopting these kids had no conscience driving up to the back of a clinic to get a baby .. It seems pretty shatty to me of these people.. If somebody told me to meet them in the back of a freaking clinic and they'd hand off a baby, I'd have nothing but questions .. I'd be more likely inclined to turn them into investigators .. because that operation sounds suspect as hell.. Clinic :Yeah just pull up to the back door and we'll have your baby for you. Make sure you have a check made out in full to the doctor.. What do you want boy girl? No background check on the people? For f**** sake who knows what was going to happen to these kids..

[@joanlynch5271]

It reminds me of the Mommy Dearest story. Boy, he's a real criminal!

[@molliwilson5639]

I was adopted in 1956 in a private adoption. My biological mother’s OBGYN gave me to my adopted mother and my father. They were friends. My adoptive parents were turned down by adoption agencies. There were adoption agencies in the fifties and sixties… this man lied to women, stole babies and profited from it.. There was not a “ vetting “ process.. He is a criminal in many regards.. He lost his medical license for selling drugs, performed illegal abortions , then selling babies whose mother’s were told they died in childbirth…

[@NS-ju7vz]

Being told no is not the same as being told a lie.

[@chewytruthseeker5274]

So fed up with constant corruption, especially in the medical field involving children... disturbing!!

[@VanessaKittredge]

I’m totally confused. No law for this? No kidnapping? Abduction? And did this woman find her natural mother? What happened? I’m lost.

[@VanessaKittredge]

And didn’t people in the town start realize that so many babies died at birth in this clinic??

[@tammywineswines3369]

God i was so lucky i was found. When i was born i was kidnapped and taken by a woman . Ths Virginia State police, West Virginia state police, FBI tracked her down. I was found laying on a couch in her home in Sterling Va. This type of stuff happens more than we know. Damn shane.

[@aquilessaiz9260]

The law needs to find these 200 families!!! The Mother's & Father's are Criminals & Need Arrested... The crimes of all these children who have been stolen, there should be no issues with Arresting these heartless adoptive parents!!! The "Guilty Verdict" should Not be a challenge... I will keep my ears open see if Justice is served for the rest of the 199 lost children Fr...Kilo

[@KoolT]

Well if you were single back then you were treated like a monster by public, not stoned but considered a horrible person. Sad but true.

[@BluDolls]

My father was a stolen baby By Georgia Tann 1942 and was sold to a New York couple. He had a life of wealth. He had a good home. His parents found him 50 years later through Unsolved Mysteries. The have all passed on.

[@cjdodgeprimecrime]

Fascinating. I think it's one thing if he was keeping babies from being aborted and honestly and openly speaking with girls about completing the term and adopting out their children, I might commend him for such but unfortunately that was not the case. Or not only the case. I would be mortified if I were one of the children given away to a family from one of the mothers that WANTED that child. I wonder how many mothers that delivered back then were told that their child died and it didn't and those moms to this day know in their gut that their babies are still alive. Seems so bittersweet, depending on the moms situation at the time but illegal is illegal. Period. Seems he was playing God.

[@mandacole8703]

He wasn't saving babies from abortion, he preformed abortions for the women that could pay for it and stole the children of the women that wanted their babies but he deemed them unworthy of motherhood. This man was a greedy monster.

[@plainjane8920]

So many people who knew and did NOTHING, they should ALL be in prison...

[@bilindamueller3154]

STILL GOING ON EXCEPT NOW THEY SELL THE BODY PARTS TOO.. BLACK MARKET

[@tride_n_true]

Wow! I was adopted and this was extremely interesting. He probably really did help a lot of people and save a lot of babies back then. I’m sure it provided a lot of negative events as well. Thanks for sharing the story!

[@KimQueensuv]

Something similar happened in Crown Street Hospital , Sydney where they would drug mothers, remove their babies, and force them to Sign consents. Actually one of the social workers involved was an American social worker. There are anecdotal stories of babies being taken home in cardboard boxes. The consulting doctor was Dr Harry Bailey, of the Chelmsford Hospital Scandal ( drug induced deep sleep therapy). Wherever this is adoption there is always dubious process and questionable operators. It's an opportunist and abusive practice, with lots of room for abuse and exploitation, as mothers are so vulnerable and disempowered, particularly during birth, but by the whole process. Look at the most recent Tara Lee, adoptive mother who exploited both sides..

[@MonsterMacLLC]

Does anyone have the demographics of the women this was happening to? There are many missing women’s cases of native descent here in the USA and I was wondering if there are any ethnic trends in the blood types of the children procured there? Austraillia has limited travel over land and their native populations might be only in certain areas where these traffickers travel.

[@artemissharp298]

This also happened in my small mid western town. Illegal abortion and adoption. Out the same back door. My great aunt died of an illegal abortion. Her sisters had taken her there to avoid the shame of an unwed pregnancy. She was 16

[@madamesproete]

All that clicking and flashing at the beginning of the clip of the same repeating photos? UNNECESSARY. Stop it. Are you trying to induce a seizure or something? Sheesh.

[@renaissancelady9938]

you can never deny a person's right to autonomy.

[@denisecaraway7475]

And since this class perpetuates confusion I'll pass won't go further This is sickness amongst you all

[@shirleyelling2761]

How many of these women were raped / beguiled by the men who ran the county? Sheriff? Mayor? Officers? I hope this researcher will expose this aspect as well.

[@CallawayVanZeeberg]

One word... Diabolical

[@mellorose1436]

I think the reporter did a great job with this story

[@GIGI-hz7ps]

I don;t believe that the woman's mother NEVER saw anything suspicious. She had to notice something

[@Anahutch1]

This is not a new story. I read about this clinic and doctor in the newspaper, in the late 1990's. This woman is selling a book, and I am sure it is interesting. Most people today would not understand how different the culture was then. My own mother had a friend, who became pregnant while her husband was overseas in the military. My mother's friend gave birth in the hospital using the name of a couple that could not have children. There was no adoption, the birth certificate shows the name of the birth parents as the couple that couldn't have children. No one had picture ID'S in those days to prove who they were.

[@johnnygonzalez6199]

This happen ed to me in south TX i found out. at the age of 13 so were my brother and sister to this day i don't know where they are

[@judibiggerstaff8054]

Do a dna test. You might find them.

[@janetjohnson7279]

No matter what people back then thought and or knew about all of this. What the Doctor did was wrong both legally and morally.

[@Lissa11638]

Can't believe I've never heard of this case! 😳

[@bettyechols6405]

What about the natural parents that are locked up for abusing/killing their children?

[@jerimcgee]

My mother was from McCaysville and she thought she was a Hicks baby, Her sister said "You think Mama had seven babies then she bought You?".

[@jessicalepage9498]

The same way CPS gets away with it Today

[@meticulous_pickulous30]

That last woman is LYING big time and her 90 year old mother too.

[@nickinurse6433]

This interviewer never lets her guests speak. She interrupts them continually.

[@melodythompson7755]

God gave her the grace to bust the truth wide open.

[@enrique88005]

What's the problem? Unwanted babies were placed with mothers who wanted them. This is far better than a child being in a home that will be neglected and or unwanted.

[@whiteheart6827]

The fact that his own daughter would not accept a baby from her father's clinic says it all!

[@lesisbest11]

Ohhhh the secrets that that people keep hidden to "preserve" a "good" name. Very very sad.

[@gr8fuldeb699]

If she didnt know that they were being sold how would she know that the women wanted to give up their babies. Its contradicting

[@rhondalafranca4833]

I absolutely love the way Lisa questions and interviews people on her show. She is an amazing speaker, an amazing journalist and she gets her point across in a very sensitive and caring way. This woman is wonderful. Thank you Lisa for all your shows I try to watch every episode, no matter the topic

[@marcycrist9149]

Who is Lisa?

[@Foxie770]

Well, I applaud him for being willing to perform safe abortions for women in those times.

[@vaunniethayer1484]

He sold them for 800-1000 dollars, that was a lot of money years ago.

[@meripederson8379]

A lot of that went on and still does

[@carolynreed451]

He was a very alful man

[@numberone5680]

Banfield didn’t get it right! She asked the wrong questions of the two men. Interviewers don’t always read the books that the show is based upon and that’s a huge problem!

[@shevanisamuels5385]

I'd yall don't stop flashing that camera and changing pics giving people a damn headache

[@Marlene5018]

I’m glad that an “ADN testing” will at the end resolving this mess! 😓

[@maryslocum9443]

The DNA test available now they will all find out

[@whiteheart6827]

The people saying that they are not upset because they grew with more money in nice neighborhoods is just so pathetic and sad. And says alot about how we view poverty in this country, like it is a crime. Imagine you wouldnt want o know your own mother and father because they were poor.

[@themrsedmonson]

Is the first lady to be interviewed related to the lady, Ann Cramer they interviewed who's mom worked for Dr. Hicks? They look a lot alike.

[@eduardonieto2355]

That is amazing to here this thing about the. 🌹❤🌹❤🌹❤🌹❤🌹

[@beatricethomas8537]

Ask women to report on babies reportedly born dead or died….

[@jeangustin3227]

How horrible. It's still going on

[@stellagrey1465]

This makes me sick

[@maliroa6113]

If I found out I was one of those babies stolen at birth I would question my parent's morals First! I don't understand how John can just look past the fact that his parents were ok stealing a baby from a mother and letting her believe he died. As an adopter if someone just brings you a baby out of nowhere I would have questions! I have friends who adopted a newborn and met with the birth mother. That's how it should be done when possible.

[@Superdudehatesmilk]

Mrs. Craymer is trying not to smile throughout her interview. While they're talking about mothers leaving the clinic devastated and childless, she's getting her 15 minutes and trying not to grin. How distasteful.

[@coffeehi]

Those poor women being told that after they carried their child the full term, and still 'lost' their baby. That is alot of heartbreak to have caused for a buck 😔

[@carolynhoechst3201]

THAT was the crime! 💔

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[@RandomChristianMusings]

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[@winterbirds8022]

@@gameon2553 Did you fall asleep? Lol

[@gameon2553]

@@winterbirds8022 Oops I think so. I usually have a podcast or YT going to help me drift off. I've been listening to a lot of true crime stuff lately. Particularly Summer Wells. This one must have been on the automatic playlist, based on what I have been watching. I'd never pick a video as horrid as this.

[@dtee460]

It was not a blessing that you were stolen. It was a crime.

[@yarnpower]

It can be both. She loves her adoptive parents.

[@Superdudehatesmilk]

I agree. I think that's just how some people make sense of what happened to them.

[@sheilasunshine9173]

Blessed is a feeling- so it seems here that you are telling the victims how they SHOULD see it. In the future perhaps you could allow victims to have whatever feelings they do without downgrading them

[@thearodriguez8268]

@@sheilasunshine9173 Indeed but that is not her point the man is a criminal, fact.

[@sheilasunshine9173]

@@thearodriguez8268 several victims feel it was a blessing- also a fact and in my mind a more important fact since the criminal is dead and the victims are alive… the people in this video including his granddaughter agree to all these facts.

[@patriciajones474]

In junior high school my best friends mother went to the hospital in Fort Worth Texas had the baby and someone stole the baby. That was over 52 years ago. That little girl is still missing. Her mother actually held the baby the day she was born. My friend's mom grieved over that until she died. The hospital was like too bad so sad. This was during segregation . We were all poor and black! It was rumored that that hospital provided black market babies for sale!

[@Kathrynlove]

That is so terrible 😞

[@kimqueen324]

i would look into that

[@RandomChristianMusings]

I'm SO sorry, sweetie. God bless you and your precious family. Peace

[@camimons470]

Maybe a DNA test from your friend’s family would show where the child is now. One of them gives you everyone’s identity with your DNA, but only for people who have had their DNA tested.

[@glendacook4888]

That is terrible! I am So 😞 Sorry! 💔💔

[@marilynnschroeder4436]

Wow, those poor mothers who were told their babies had died.

[@kellymarietarotfamilypets9598]

Yeh and they thought they were going to heaven to see there baby’s when they were dying! It’s disgusting. Poor women!

[@paulinawaas9204]

My question is: who said that? That the mothers were told babies died? A mother herself? I am assuming and if it was a mother who said it... then it was true that he was not a good man at all. But if he talked to the young mother's to give thrir babies to adoption. Yes he save a life and then he was a good man.

[@marilynnschroeder4436]

@@paulinawaas9204 Did you watch the entire video? Because it was brought up in there that, for some of the young mothers, he told them their baby had died. Presumably those who didn’t agree to adopting their babies out.

[@Isayah_613]

Why didn't the mothers ask to see their babies after they were told about their deaths? What about funerals?

[@paulinawaas9204]

@@marilynnschroeder4436 I watched it while doing other chores, thank you. Now I can understand that he played them all but some couldn't care for their babies and were advice to give them to be adopted instead of opt to abort them. One question remains in the case of the mothers who wanted their baby and he told they died. How come they did not want to see their baby? AND in this case they could see that they were not dead? It seems that we will never know the "truth" in its entirety. One point I see is that those mothers who want abortion (or knew that he could find a family to take them) at least their babies got a change to be alive. However if abortion then was what Biden/Harris' administration is trying to make a reality these same babies wouldn't be taken to a back door and a chance in life.... instead they would be taken from their mothers up to 9 months and be killed! Sad world we live in...

[@cheechalker8430]

Who else “looked away?” The people buying the babies

[@LilMissAliKat]

I wondered this too: how much did these families that were accepting these babies know? Where they being told the birth mothers were willingly giving the babies up? Or did they know (or at least have suspicions) that the babies were being stolen. Especially the women who felt they needed to fake their labors and births and then allow their husbands and family to believe the babies were their own. Its hard to understand what was going through any of their minds. 😣💔

[@frankiedominguez1872]

I imagine the birth mothers either willingly or unwillingly gave their babies away. I think it was both situations. Some birth mothers maybe didn't want to have the child and the doctor then facilitated the adoption telling the adoptive parents that the mother willingly gave it up. I think the other situation also happened. Scared birth mothers would come in for secret abortions and then the doctor would tell them the baby died and took advantage of their birth mothers' vulnerable position. Then the doctor would most likely tell the adoptive parents that the birth mother wanted to give the baby away.

[@irishhi8333]

@@frankiedominguez1872 But, the doctor did do abortions.

[@bonnemoms5413]

@@irishhi8333 he tried to talk them into giving the babies up for adoption instead. Many of them changed their minds through the pregnancy or at the birth then he did the oh your baby died crap

[@tinacatharinaeden2711]

Exactly! They must have known not all the babies were freely given up.

[@bridgetwilliams5231]

Ann's mom said I didn't see a lot and wasn't aware about them being adopted but than she contradicted herself by saying it was usually single women that would come in and willingly gave their children away for adoption..I call bullshit.

[@KaraLynnJack]

Yeah, I didn't believe her story told to her by her Mom who probably didn't want anyone to know she was complicit in what Dr. Hicks was doing the whole time she worked for him!

[@vanityparadise940]

Lies through her teeth, you can see through her eyes.

[@ghostwalker5644]

And everything that she'd state she immediately followed up with "you know"... that's a dead giveaway for a liar! I don't believe a word she said. Period

[@carmenghersi1070]

She claimed her mom was a receptionist; Doctors office don’t have receptionist 24/7; maybe the woman didn’t see everything that when on. I am not judging or defending his actions. However, I was a single mom in the early 70’s and I was treated horrible by the nurse. Was he a blessing I think he should have given the mom an option.

[@ccampbell7214]

There could be both..

[@orangemarigold4594]

If the grandfather was about helping people he wouldn't have received $$ for blackmarketing!!!

[@The_Tiffster]

Exactly!

[@commonsense5506]

Plus his first start in Tennessee was selling drugs. He just moved on to a less visible product. He was in it for the money.

[@mkuti-childress3625]

He probably justified it by giving some of it to the clinic. It is _amazing_ how well people can rationalize even the most horrible acts.

[@melimel9265]

But it wouldn't be helping someone if you were also hurting someone at the same time

[@MrsznewyawkRN]

Think about it for a second - he looked these EXCITED woman in the eyes throughout their pregnancies - KNOWING they will NEVER get to see this child because he had plans for it 😞 - every woman he did that to I feel horrible for - 9 months of pregnancy and birth are hard enough as it is ; then to get your child ripped away from you 😢

[@Foxie770]

Women didn’t go visit a doctor for 9 months in those days. They went to get an abortion or give birth when the time came. Stop applying today’s standards to the 50’s. Life was different then and so were perspectives and expectations!

[@yarnpower]

@@Foxie770 nope.

[@rosee5841]

But what if they were planning on getting rid of their babies all along and Dr gave these babies a chance to live by giving them to a family who did want a baby.

[@merryfergie]

Yeah, let us not make assumptions.

[@MT-il5tk]

@@Foxie770 Ok, so she dk! It was an honest mistake on her part not that big of a deal but you still didn’t need to be such an ignorant bag about it though! And I’m glad you are such an expert about babies being born pregnancy and ob/gyn in the 50’s but if you want the facts this time frame this particular Doc was selling these babies it was before 50’s if you were actually even paying attention at all!

[@glendacook4888]

Can't believe someone would pull up to the back door & take a baby! 😳😔😫 That is bizarre! Crazy!! The poor birth Mother's. Never knew their babies were really alive! 😩😵 so wrong! So sick! How can people live such lies & deception!!

[@dedunc59]

I was a black market baby out of Arizona. My biological mother was 13 when she got pregnant and barely 14 when I was born. It was not her choice to give me away but her parents. The rest of the family didn’t know I existed until I found my biological mother when I was 28. My adopted mother and father lived in California. They found out about the unwed mother home from one of their friends who had just adopted a baby. When I was can years old my adopted mother and I were talking about my adoption. I had two other brothers that had been adopted at that time. We were all told from the time I can remember that we were adopted. My adopted mom told me at that time that If I ever had questions or wanted to find my biological mother she had paperwork that she could give me that would help me find her. She said that my biological mothers family was very poor and she thought that the reason

[@Tlittau3944]

@@dedunc59 WOW... I can't imagine. Your adoptive Mother being open with you about how she came to have adopted you honestly surprised me. Maybe she felt bad for how she adopted you but regardless I respect that she was honest with you. I hope you have had a good life and this hasn't affected you in any negative ways.

[@deboragarcia2256]

Porque os que ti ham poder na época real ligados ao tal Dr.Virou um comércio e sabe-se lá se não teve coisa pior .Quem sabe algo não fala ou fiz não saber ,até documentos sumiram ou seja crime atrás de crime .O que me espanta é ainda essa moça começar a investigar e ser meio que ameaçada e nenhum órgão do governo ajudar .Esse homem era um monstro .

[@pinkiestar99]

Abusers don't just groom their victims. They groom the whole community. I'd put money on it, that some of those babies were his

[@marthawoodworth]

A very smart comment. You just added to my understanding of the social aspect of abuse. Thanks.

[@pinkiestar99]

@@marthawoodworth it's why so many people who know the perpetrators don't believe or don't want to believe the victims. And why so many perpetrators get away with it for so long

[@vegginny548]

absolutely

[@brandysnaps9221]

Mothers we're also forced to give up babies due to being unwed. My mate had hers taken before she even got to see her baby

[@honeybunch5765]

True , these stories are worldwide, especially in Christian and Asian communities. It's horrifying to think the motivation of giving away a baby or even killing a baby is being unwed.

[@cheechalker8430]

“Adoptive mother?” More like “consumer mother”

[@dawnsites4232]

Yes, the adoptive parents knew it was not a legal adoption. You dont just pick up a baby at the back door.

[@honeybunch5765]

Thieving mothers, I am sure people knew what he was doing.

[@maggiebridget126]

The granddaughter is in deep denial about her heritage and her adoptive grandfather.

[@Beautyjoy98]

Yep

[@saritagomez4321]

Yes..

[@quashiesuzanne]

Deep down low

[@dannytonnessen6896]

There’s a reason doctors are top 5 on the list of jobs with the most psychopaths. This grandfather AND the granddaughter PROVE IT. I’ve never met a doctor that DOESN’T ENJOY CAUSING PAIN.

[@mkuti-childress3625]

At least she was willing to listen to it without calling everyone liars. It must be really hard to find out someone you loved turned out to do horrible things. I’ve seen people in this situation refuse to even consider that their loved one did a horrible act despite the evidence-for many years. What’s really scary to me is that I’ll bet there were a lot of doctors around the country doing the exact same things that haven’t even been discovered, yet. Thank goodness for DNA testing now.

[@laurenehamilton453]

How could anyone be ok with finding out that their parents are kidnappers? They are horrible people.

[@pamelaliegh]

Not a lot of adoptions are done willingly by all parties, even today.

[@rebellajm]

Many of these adoptive parents were not kidnappers or theives and whose only fault was desperately wanting to raise an unwanted child. Remember they were lied to as well...

[@deborahhershey3045]

i'm sure they were told that the baby needs 2 parents as the bio mom was single and back then, she couldn't raise a bastard child.

[@kimqueen324]

baby theft isn't a blessing. telling a mother her baby isn't is dead. interesting there is no mention of the mothers well being. there still isn't a safety net for babies who are adopted, there's no follow up.

[@DMWBN3]

Not listened to it all, but what about the fathers, or was it just single women??

[@kimqueen324]

@@DMWBN3 single mothers are the pit of society, basically. funnily his logic of 'gay men have always existed therefore they make good parents doesn't apply to single mothers who also have been around forever (and done a bloody good job) does not apply. funny that. so tired of middle class privileged self appointed experts punching down on mothers. But it does reveal the sociopathy behind the current forced removals and past forced adoption experiments. Miserable man who is contemptuous of women (4 points in his conversation at least) can barely contain his disdain. maybe he should change his life and get a bit happier. .. (imagine being his wife when he turns his head and dryly says one is enough trouble. hardly celebrating love and marriage...)

[@lucidarose613]

There's no safety net for babies in the womb at all though.

[@lucidarose613]

@@DMWBN3 Valid point, it's their baby as well.

[@elizabethann8228]

It’s appalling actually. Shame SHAME on them!!

[@tinadiesman5442]

Was there a pipeline to Cincinnati? My husband was an illegal adoption and we have had problems finding his bio family.

[@chrissearer1896]

23 and Me….. I was amazed, it changed my life for the better!

[@painintheknee1209]

The fastest way is through DNA test. It links the DNA like through ancestry.

[@Lissa11638]

She's not speaking literally

[@01SaltyWitch]

Sally is in complete denial of the monster her grandfather was and doesn’t care, because she had it good.

[@sandyjackson4194]

I couldn't believe what I was hearing, complete denial is being nice because that was not the words I was thinking.

[@amandagarcia6320]

Until watching this? I always believed that Hitler was the worst human being to ever incarnate onto our planet.....This doctor is a close second. How can he not burn in hell for the pain and suffering that he caused?

[@maggie9312]

Exactly bc she got a good life been the granddaughter of Dr just the title of been someone important from town make her feels lucky and careless about the others poor kids ending in with bad parents She only see her side of the story how wonderful grandpa was mobster evil stolen and asking babies like a piece meat omg

[@QuietStorm710]

Agree. She danced around answering anything confronting directly. She can’t even confirm absolutely that she’s not one of them. She had a cushy life so she’s convinced herself others did and doesn’t want to make a different connection.

[@nicolegomez_144]

They did a awesome job putting this together. The host was very professional and good questions

[@jesssingleton1200]

People act like everyone who adopts is so wonderful but how messed up is it for some of them to be so selfish and care only for their own wants that they'd steal someone else's child and lie to the child like it never happened and completely disregard the pain they've caused to the biological mother/father!

[@rebellajm]

I knew the woman described as the Akron pipeline. She adopted 4 of those children and was assisting my parents in early 60s. It was told by the clinic these were unwed mothers that were relinquishing their babies SO the adoptive parents were not stealing their babies.

[@flossyjones8578]

Imagine the mother stink that their babies had died and all the time the babies were given to other women. The women probably don't have a clue that their baby was giving away. As a mother I know I wouldn't want that to happen to me.

[@TheNortibia]

but it is normal for the mother to be given time with her stillborn child, if that happened.. I guess these mothers where not given such time, since the children did not actualy die... I would have demanded to see my stillborn child, and many mothers probably did object, and wanted to see, but was denied, cause they did not have a stillborn baby..

[@888-m2m]

@@TheNortibia I keep wondering if the baby supposedly died what about the burial? Wouldn't it be the mother's responsibility to bury the child? My full term baby died during birth and they did bring me my baby while he was still warm to hold. I can't imagine just leaving my baby behind and not having a final resting place for him. So what did these mothers think the doctor did with their baby after walking out the door and leaving the baby behind? So many questions here unanswered.

[@TheNortibia]

@@888-m2m No idea, what if the babies mums was even charged for such hospital "expences" too? :/ the world is especially horrible for the poorest people

[@gloriapena3649]

How dare he play God. I can see a mother requesting he find parents for her child but he was stealing babies. No ifs or buts about it. Do not glorify him.

[@rebellajm]

@@888-m2m This was not the practice in the 50s or 60s..

[@melissahannah587]

Many mothers were heart broken over their dead babies . If I was a mother I would love to find my child .

[@Beautyjoy98]

I'm sorry Ms. Sally you can wear rose colored glasses all you want. I know what I'm hearing and seeing.