Labour are worried over supermajority reports | Andrew Marr | Election 2024 | the New Statesman

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[@matthewcook9404]

Please, please, please debunk this ridiculous concept - a “supermajority “ does not exist in the British parliamentary system.

[@SirSX3]

Yes, it does. It's when a party has more than 60% of the seats in parliament, which polls are saying Labour will exceed

[@Aloddff]

Famously the UK pretends to have a federalised decentralised devolved non hierarchical democracy but actually has one of the strongest unitary executives outside of dictatorships Effectively any prime minister (with or without a mandate) as long as they have 50% plus one votes has 100% of the power. It’s completely top down so long as the PM has the support of their party Supermajorities are the systems that are required to overcome obstructionist senates or federalised states that have veto power. None of which the UK has. The House of Lords has very little power, are easy to overcome with time, and rarely involve themselves in obstructing legislation for fear of undermining their own existence. The PM has the fiat to bend the constitution to their whim without 66.7 % of the vote as long as they don’t fall foul of legal powers they are constrained to Whoever says supermajority’s exist or are relevant in the UK has been smoking something

[@Haydersublate]

​@@Aloddffwell said.

[@matthewcook9404]

@@Aloddff Thank you.

[@SirSX3]

@@Aloddff No one is saying that the UK has a supermajority requirement in anything, just that the idea of a supermajority in a parliamentary system is not impossible. Even just a couple of years ago, the supermajority criteria is used by the Fixed-term Parliaments Act, although the true power requires only a simple majority. You're simply too full of yourself to see that you're making an argument against something you misunderstood.

[@Squarepeg57]

Get out to vote the Tories out!

[@markblance8492]

Make sure your vote counts by NOT voting for Labour. If they get a majority the U.K. is screwed. You think the Tories were bad….. you ain’t seen nothing yet.

[@jonsmith5058]

Whats the point when Starmers Tories get a supermajority and we just continue as is? All the billionaires have switched to Labour, they wont do radical reform. Do you hate what the Tories stand for or the brand? Vote Green or Independent. We need to force electoral change.

[@sadjaxx]

It ain't over until its over and THE VOTES ARE COUNTED! So VOTE! Bloody well VOTE!

[@macsmiffy2197]

History teacher here. I will always vote because I know the sacrifices which were made to give me this privilege.

[@gio-oz8gf]

Public toilet cleaner here. I will always vote because I know the sacrifices that were made to give me this privilege.

[@stephfoxwell4620]

Jennifer Lopez's underwear dry cleaner here. I will always vote because I know of the sacrifices that led to my privileges.

[@aragornthebrave]

I think our voting system is rubbish and horribly outdated, BUT I always vote as it's important to engage with society, even though it's far from ideal.

[@RealUlrichLeland]

​@@aragornthebrave Vote to change it then. Even just spoiling your ballot is doing infinitely more than not turning up at all

[@TheOfficialThundazz]

Psychotic spicehead rambling in the city centre here. I will always vote because the frogs are telling me to. Ribbit.

[@roderickmain9697]

"Super"majority isnt a real term. Its journalistic hyperbole. A Majority - ie one more vote than the other party - is a majority. No matter how many more votes there are its still just a majority.

[@rustynail1194]

Exactly what I think. let's be part of history people.

[@jackbaynes3959]

We HAVE to vote! That's what democracy means! If you hate the ruling party, that hate means NOTHING if you refuse to show them that they are unfit for office.

[@1x0en]

I used to vote Green in the belief that saving the planet was the only matter of real importance before I woke up to the crazy ideologies that they espouse alongside ‘conventional’ green thinking, as now to a large extent do all the mainstream parties. How did we get here? I shall vote for REFORM on Thursday as the only voice of reason and good old fashioned British common sense.

[@Leongoldfarb]

Thanks Andy for being you

[@ambivalentsheep]

If Tories dont want supermajorities they should argue for Proportional Representation.

[@nicks4934]

What is a SM?

[@ambivalentsheep]

​@nicks4934 A majority but super. Like a marvel character I assume.

[@kevinturvey8213]

there'll be nothing super about it whatsoever

[@safirahmed]

Tactical voting could help reduce the numbers of Tory MPs and unpopular Labour MPs elected. Tactical voting resources vary depending on the reason for tactical voting. Suggestions for tactical voting will also vary due to policy, political party, dataset and methodologies used. Examples include but not limited to: Tactical Vote StopTheTories (MVTFWD) Get Voting (Best for Britain) Rejoin Vote The Muslim Vote

[@1957bumpy]

Putting a bet on how many months captain slackbladder lasts 🤔

[@broadcast-east]

Slow news day guys?

[@benmayhew2K]

Labour been 40 plus points for over 18months n still during the General election n it'll be a reality.

[@michaelgoode9555]

But only when people have gone and voted. There is no room for complacency.

[@Praevalidum]

The low enthusiasm for both parties and Starmer’s relative lack of popularity means this strategy of declaring the election already over and lowering incentive for Labour turnout isn’t without merit. Everyone thought governor Dewey had 1948 wrapped up and his strategy of keeping his head down and avoiding anything controversial ending up costing him come Election Day.

[@oliverraven]

Unlike in the US (a country we need to stop taking cues from), there are more than two viable parties here.

[@JohnShaw-zm2pc]

I don't think Labour will have a huge majority. I think people won't turn out, and the conservative will get back in . It's not a done deal.

[@BoyeeSmudger]

Unfortunately I feel you're right.

[@thecrimsondragon9744]

If the Tories get back in, I will be suspicious...

[@fabianwinter52]

I'm not sure this is even a bad thing for labour or the country as a whole. In the end its not important under UK traditions whether a party has a comfortable 30 seat lead or 130. Some lab candidates won't get their seat, but thats political life. The labour lead is strong enough for people to vote not only strategically but also according to their true preferences, even under fptp. And with labours forceful move to the right, I'm sure they factored in some defections on the left.

[@mattai075]

Vote Green rather than Labor or Conservative. As bad as the Tories may be Labor is only a marginal improvement.

[@lyudmilakutsenko7045]

On your place i would be worried about Andrew Marr after so many years in former USSR. Has he been checked by a psychiatrist?

[@lyudmilakutsenko7045]

You know those who were born in the USSR are familiar with our culture. Is he ok, I'm really worried.

[@garyh5541]

Vote Reform I vote because many died to give me this Right and Freedom! Thank you!!!

[@lcg8220]

And you're voting for the very same kind of people who those who died for your freedom were fighting.

[@nicks4934]

No such thing. Stop repeating the made up word!

[@glennf9582]

Save Britain vote Reform! 🇬🇧

[@jamesbradley7227]

Reform all the way baby 😊

[@duncanbradshaw8993]

Vote Reform to save Britain 🙂

[@johnclegg1923]

REFORM 🐍snake oil guy don't think so 🏴‍☠️ 🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️💋

[@tomsiddle7583]

They’ll be strong by 2029, Britain needs reform

[@johnclegg1923]

@@tomsiddle7583 text you in 2029 🐍🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️

[@tomsiddle7583]

@@johnclegg1923 they’ve only had a few months to prepare stormed from predicted 5% of vote to predicted 20% of the vote. People aren’t happy with the insane levels of mass migration, including me to be honest

[@josephmurray2234]

I think there is a major shift to Reform from the cross section I have talked to even labour friends of mine are on the idea of give reform a go very few places have the boards up like they used to around here I think there is great dispondency in politics .Reform is radical but only in how it is presumed and represented by media a paid smear tactics and even bigots more than ever, I feel a revolution of great positive change , and it is wonderful to be hopeful again

[@michaelgoode9555]

Reject Reform Reform UK is the reinvented Brexit party which is the reinvented UKIP party which is the reinvented BNP. It is extremely right wing and it's only real motives are self enrichment and abuse of power. The British public voted for Brexit believing the lies told by Farage, Johnson, Widdecombe, Hoey, Rees-Mogg, Davies, Barclay, Gove and many, many more believing that we would stop immigration, raise wages, cut the cost of living and be so much better off as a country. All of these have proven to be scurrilous lies and they knew this from the outset. Brexit has given us record NHS waiting lists, double digit inflation, a near tripling of energy costs, falling wages, rising food prices, record national debt, record immigration, destroyed private pension funds and so much more and yet Reform want to go in even harder, make us even poorer, dismantle the NHS and worse, attack the weak, disabled, old and infirm in our society. The right wing has failed the UK but in the process they have made themselves much richer. Reform will do the same and more because they really don't care about ordinary people in spite of their lies claiming that they do. Do not be fooled by prophets hearing false witness: Farage is as dishonest as Sunak, Truss, Gove, Rees-Mogg, Hague, Redwood, Johnson, Braverman, Kwarteng, Javid, Patel, Barclay, Baker, Cleverly, Jenrick, ... They are all in this entirely for themselves.

[@dondoodat]

I would never vote reform as I don't like ordinary Tories, let alone extreme ones.

[@josephmurray2234]

@@dondoodat In reply Tories used to sort out the problems that Labour had caused and financial problems .But now they are finished .you will see the demise if labour are in control unless you are are labour minister

[@dondoodat]

@@josephmurray2234 Oh dear. Facts don't care about your feelings.

[@gregh4292]

You’re apologists for genoide if you vote for Starmer.

[@Antipaxos_Nadja123]

They won't deserve votes until they offer actial change, if they are so concerned about people not voting or voting for smaller parties, they should get better policies and court our votes

[@silondon9010]

Many people switching to Reform UK