Controversial Catch Reversal Looms Large in Patriots vs. Steelers (Week 15) | NFL Turning Point

Go inside the play where Pittsburgh Steelers tight end Jesse James catches the ball and reaches across the goal line but drops the ball when he hits the ground, causing an incomplete pass.
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[@ineedaname8250]

Been a steelers fan for 10 years now. This is the saddest moment by far

[@michaelschild4073]

Clearly that's a catch all hr has to do is break the plane once again refs hand the patriots a win

[@1yourboyken]

Brady isn’t as good as everyone thinks. Raiders “Tuck Rule” games was the same kind of heart break. That right there should take 2 rings off Brady

[@hunterturpin6299]

Not anymore bens last homegame hit way harder

[@debaserdeducer4555]

Wait till we lose to Browns in the playoffs in 2020..

[@stormm3735]

nothing is worse than tebow beating us

[@damn.1672]

Haha Tom at the end yelling "Lets go" while a bunch of people booing him pretty much sums up his whole career.

[@canitdo2717]

Liam Farrell hate em cause they aint em

[@Jondsmusic]

CANitDO exactly they can’t handle the truth!

[@CRS099]

You’re right, gloating while the refs gifted him a win

[@IWantToMature85]

They cheated this game though,

[@pollogaming919]

@@IWantToMature85 like always

[@b3u3g3g3y]

That was the primary play that caused the NFL to change the catch rule for this season. It was an unfair rule. Pittsburgh should have won.

[@hagamapama]

It was a perfectly fair rule. Black and white. "if you leave your feet in the process of the catch, you have to survive the landing with control of the ball" James left his feet and lost control of the ball upon impact with the ground. Very clear, Very simple. Only confusing to those deliberately trying to be confused because they don't like the outcome.

[@njh18]

hagamapama if it was fair why did they change the rule?

[@StraightBleach]

@@njh18 Thet never changed the rule. This still isnt a catch.

[@lord_beethoven1169]

They changed the rule too late for the Steelers to still be in their prime.

[@sophisticatedbanana2336]

​@@StraightBleach they changed it

[@dansugardude2655]

Probably one of the absolute worst calls in the history of all sports: and I’m a Massachusetts person and full supporter of the Patriots

[@girbanzobean]

i remember watchign this live, turned off my tv, phone, everything and went to bed cause i thought we lost, i woke up with a W and remember being like how?!

[@DestroyNations]

Definitely not. As a receiver you have to maintain control all the way to the ground. The ball hit the ground and he lost control. Dezs catch was overturned and so was Calvin Johnson's. Both crossed the plain.

[@coreyrowe2598]

@@DestroyNations I'm a Bears fan and I'm neutral in this situation with the Pats and Steelers but I agree with you. The surviving the ground rule might've been a stupid rule but it clearly stated maintaining full control of the ball as you fall to the ground completely overrules reaching for the end zone and breaking the plain. It was a tough one for Pittsburgh to swallow but the right call was made according to how that rule was in place during the 2017 season.

[@marcuslewis7888]

That sack on Brady that created the "Tuck Rule"

[@DestroyNations]

@@marcuslewis7888 The tuck rule was used before the Patriots vs Oakland game.

[@immasonjames9171]

The rule that "you must survive the ground" only applies if he didnt make a "football move" a knee in the NFL is said to count as 2 feet. He then made the football move or play by extending as his knee hit the ground. The ball then crossed the plane and anything that happens after the play is irrelevant. Learn football bud.

[@7lair724]

By rule, since he was “going to the ground” any “football move” he makes is irrelevant, and the ball has to survive the ground. LEarN foOtBaLl bUd!

[@kylerocha9286]

Extending a knee is not a football move 😂

[@__sm1441]

That rule was introduced after this season tho so all of what you said is completely irrelevant 🤣🤣🤣 Learn football bud

[@Dept246]

The football touched the ground and James left hand moves. No catch

[@ScorpionXXXVII]

@kyle rocha that wasn't a rule yet anyway, so it doesn't matter...but the "football move" would be him pulling the ball in and then extending it.

[@Calvin1985]

It's clearly a catch, he caught it with the laces down when the QB threw the ball from inside the 20 yard line in the 2nd half, the receiver only has to make a football move if there are 3 defenders within 5 yards, unless the defense is wearing white jerseys then he has to maintain control for 5 seconds if it is the 3rd Sunday of the month. Buth then again that rule only applies if it is a daytime game or the weather is 70 degrees. However, if the receiver catches it outside the end zone he has to line up on the QB's throwing arm side, or else he has to take 3 steps and not be touched by a defender wearing an even-number jersey, unless the game is broadcast by NBC, then he only has to turn 180 degrees or less. Except then it has to happen in a state that voted Democrat, unless the receiver is wearing sleeves AND the stadium is at least 1 mile away from a body of water, otherwise it's no catch. Don't you people watch football? It's that simple!!!

[@MacBobby1408]

This is 2 years old. And without a doubt the most underrated comment ever 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂👏👏

[@iangalt6899]

You, sir, are a genious. And made my childhood.

[@iangalt6899]

@Sprite Cranberry I feel like you're missing the point of this comment...

[@micah2426]

@Sprite Cranberry if you brake the plain it is a td that is why they changed the rules because of this play

[@richardgregory3644]

Look it wasn't a catch the same way Dez wasn't a catch is it right? I believe Dez and James were both catches but by the NFL rule its not a catch

[@pythonl0rd584]

I would have loved a Steelers eagles super bowl. Battle of pa teams.

[@coreyrowe2598]

2004 was probably the best chance for that matchup to happen in the sb. Both teams had great seasons and hosted their respective title games. The Eagles won the early game vs Atlanta but Tom Brady did what Tom Brady always does in big games against the Steelers. The patriots vs eagles super bowl we got was pretty solid but seeing the 15-1 Steelers battle the 13-3 Eagles with a Super Bowl title and PA bragging rights on the line would've been awesome. 2008 was a similar deal where both PA teams played in their conference title game, but it just ended up being a reversal of 2004 with the steelers winning and the eagles losing.

[@christianhilbert1446]

We still woulda smacked the Steelers 🦅🖤🖤🖤🖤

[@willlynch1271]

Christian Hilbert no u wouldn’t have u wouldn’t have been able to stop our offense

[@coreyrowe2598]

@@willlynch1271 The Steelers defense still would've lost it for them, they let Blake Bortles hang 45 on them in a playoff game lol.

[@leticiadiaz5241]

Christian Hilbert who has 1 super bowl

[@VidGaming]

Loved brady screaming at steelers fans after the game tho XD

[@Idktyler]

That was great 😂😂😂

[@sbdxaric]

Hilarious “HOW ABOUT THAT? LETS GO” dancing on their graves

[@tombradyshadycheatsquadspy5590]

Vid Maddness they should’ve put the part where I screamed “I cheated”

[@VidGaming]

Yeah but then he would be lying :P

[@jnyfumare]

Only to choke against a back up QB in the BIG GAME. LOL

[@chriscrowninshield4623]

how on earth do you not already have a second play called if the play ends inbounds? They had 10 freaking minutes during that repla to go over this.

[@runcaz7802]

Chris, exactly! It was like a few free timeouts back to back. If that was Belechik he would have had several plays ready to go JUST IN CASE THE TD WAS OVERTURNED.

[@DoctorX101]

Because Tomlin is a whiny idiot.

[@bradleybrown8399]

Chris Crowninshield that's the stillers for ya.

[@Amb252]

The game was over that was a touchdown we got cheated

[@jazzman1904]

The pick ended the game. Could have tied it with a field goal had it just been an incomplete pass.

[@jbrhel]

James made the catch virtually parallel to the goal line. He then made a "football move" and turned to break the plane. Touchdown.Putting it mildly, the Steelers got shafted.

[@jonathanritchie6880]

He really didn’t make a move he caught the ball as he was falling to the ground and the ball rolled as he pressed the ball when he came down. In the old days they call it trapping the ball but it doesn’t work as good as it used to because of instant reply.

[@Dept246]

It didn’t survive when he hit the ground. His left hand moved and the football touched the ground trapped by his body and right hand. No catch and I’m a Patriots fan.

[@askellad9416]

@@Dept246 bandwagon

[@jbrhel]

@@Dept246 I'm a Giants fan second and a football fan first. James caught the ball, went to the ground and broke the plane.

[@piccilo72]

@@Dept246 He had already caught the ball by rule prior to crossing the goal line. He had both feet touch the ground, then landed on his knee while pulling the ball into his chest. The catch occurs once his knee is down and the ball is secured. He then reaches the ball out over the goal line prior to losing possession.

[@farism5313]

Im an eagles fan, but i like the rule. It differentiate a runner from a catcher. If u r a runner do whatever u want with ball, u can slam it to the ground or break the plane. But if you are a receiver and catching the ball, secure the damn ball. Simple.

[@snapbaach]

Fwirs easy for you too say you ignorant fool

[@chrgav1286]

JuJu Smith-Schuster You’re the ignorant fool here. Learn the rule of the sports that you watch.

[@kameronrichardson4339]

Chr Gav it only became a rule in 2010, that's a catch

[@chrgav1286]

Kameron Richardson So since it became a rule in 2011 wouldn’t that make it not a catch?

[@kameronrichardson4339]

Chr Gav rules don't make something right or wrong. If they made a rule tomorrow that every catch had to be with two hands or it wasn't considered possession wouldn't you still call a one handed catch a catch?

[@Dog3D]

I only watch NBA but I'm amazed at the quality of these videos. Even for someone who doesn't watch the NFL I was very entertained by this

[@Acepilot12345]

Dog nba needs to do something like this...

[@mickfunny4185]

Dog who’s your team, Cavs?

[@Dog3D]

Mick Funny Cavs and Lakers. I know it's weird but I like to have an underdog team to go with my strong team to root for

[@adammynarski7184]

Why even watch the NBA though? Little to no parity.

[@veezythebot6195]

@@adammynarski7184 u smokin

[@nolanscripture]

Per the rule, this pass is 100% incomplete. There is no justification for arguing against the call that was ultimately made. If you want to talk about the rule itself, fine, but stop complaining about the call. We've seen it several times before.

[@Jakieboy808]

Per that same rule, Brandin Cooks didn't catch the game winner against the Houston Texans.

[@GiantLD]

Jakieboy808 not really

[@Jakieboy808]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/pZWsh5ShrKerh80&lc=z23wdr1hlmmsgdotiacdp4355jyiiugdldgpneot2wxw03c010c.1513796331174885 PAUSE at 0:33.. looks like the ball is not being controlled and is out of the cradle lol

[@MeasuredFlat]

Nolan, you are correct.

[@OkayNiceOne]

Per the rule, the pass was 100% complete. Possession was established with the knee, and a football play was made when he consciously decided to extend the ball over the plane. Clearly it was a touchdown. Nice try, though.

[@MichaelStenberg]

If that’s called a catch, we’re 1st in the conference, and probably winning the Super Bowl, for Shazier.

[@Shabla7]

For Shazier!

[@mattmiller7049]

Wrong they just choke against Tennessee instead of Jacksonville. And if they do beat Tennessee, Tom Brady and the Patriots clap them in the Championship Game for the 4th time

[@robertboden8406]

He had his hand under the ball. Even if it wobbled, it’s a catch

[@breiter4697]

Even tho its late for me to say thus but even tho it wobbled, it doesnt mean he lost control. His hand was under the ball and his hands were holding on to the ball and it was tucked in his chest. That's a touchdown.

[@Calonrennick]

him reaching for the end zone is considered a football move. he completed the catch

[@Jason-TheChad-Muska_circa1995]

Yeah and he's also considered a runner not a receiver when that takes place

[@danrobertson2799]

You’re using the new catch rules that we’re established in 2018 to judge a catch that took place in 2017. This play was a significant reason for the rule change. Under the 2017 rules, this was not a catch.

[@MMMHOTCHEEZE]

@@danrobertson2799 Except if you actually read the rules and have basic knowledge of the English language, it was. Item 1. Player Going to the Ground. A player is considered to be going to the ground if he does not remain upright long enough to demonstrate that he is clearly a runner. If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball until after his initial contact with the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone. If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches the ground before he regains control, the pass is incomplete. If he regains control prior to the ball touching the ground, the pass is complete. That was the old "survive the ground" part of the catch rule. The problem is that they did not define what initial contact with the ground is. Going by the words initial and contact, one would assume that means the first contact with the ground by any part of the body that would rule a runner down by contact (knee, elbow, shin, etc). There is no wording that would imply a player would have to survive going to the ground anyway, just that they need to have control of the ball after their initial contact with the ground. Jesse James initial contact with the ground as it pertains to that assumption is his knee and he controls the ball after his knee hits the ground. Everything else is irrelevant, it should have been a catch.

[@jellyfishliveold9087]

And so the realm of bad officiating begins...

[@SylveonMujigaeOfficial]

Change your profile picture!!

[@jaredkniola6115]

Its like the dez bryant catch all over again

[@bigskycuber2980]

Dapiggy14 But Dez's catch was a catch. Jesse James' wasn't.

[@hagamapama]

@@bigskycuber2980 Nah Dez left his feet too, same rules apply. You have to hold the ball all the way through the catch. Dez didn't neither did James

[@tommywiseau5511]

Dude roger goodell ruined this league. A catch should be the ball doesn’t hit the ground, that’s it.

[@hagamapama]

@@tommywiseau5511 but the ball did hit the ground

[@terryrojas6582]

difference was that was the playoffs and this was regular season and steelers still had hope to win

[@ice_swallow_come3815]

That end though "Hey! how about that??? lets goo" Lmao!!!

[@rainprince7099]

lol come on Brady don't show off too much maybe just a little

[@havu2236]

This one looks identical to the Ertz catch in the SB 52. How was that a catch and not this one?

[@goatcheese4me]

The two or three feet that Ertz ran before extending. That made him a runner. James caught it and extended it all in the same motion (though to be fair, I hate the rule and hope it changes).

[@Phil_529]

@@goatcheese4me Look at that! It changed because it's bullshit.

[@williamkanejr3233]

It was NOTHING like Ertz. Ertz took about five steps. Jesse James went from the air to the ground.

[@Harpmantheman]

And the dez catch

[@adrianpena800]

@@Harpmantheman the dez catchy was the same rule, which is why it was ruled incomplete

[@uwillnevahno6837]

What the referee was saying in his head: "After reviewing the play Bill Belichick ruled it an incomplete pass."

[@beastmode218]

0:20 - That moment between Brady and Cooks. Cooks recognize real when he sees it.

[@maz5540]

Bruh he literally caught the ball😭ITS RIGHT THERE ON CAMERA HE CAUGHT IT😭😭

[@huntershore2671]

It was a catch!!

[@jasperhalsey8574]

Tomlin is a great coach and his OC let him down. He knew the situation, they needed to have a play ready at the end. And the OC presumes to call the worst play ever and the ball is picked.... they only needed a fg.

[@jamesh2711]

Tomlin should've clocked it and kicked the FG to take it to OT. Too risky to go for the win in that situation. That was on Tomlin, not the OC.

[@What-uf1zj]

Nah , Tomlin had 5 minutes to go over every possibility with Ben & Haley before decision was reversed. He Plays checkers not chess

[@jayjones5096]

Not sure why people think this was remotely a catch. I'm not a fan of either team, so no bias here. But he was falling as he caught the ball, hit the turf and ball came loose. Never established himself as a runner at all and simply didn't complete the catch. So just because he crossed the line, that doesn't matter since he wasn't an established runner. This is completely different than the Ertz Super Bowl catch. Ertz took three full steps and dove.

[@Xyamer127]

Couldn't have said it better my self brother.

[@Ken-vm6bu]

But the Steelers fans are so used to getting every call their way, they simply can’t fathom one going against them

[@lukegentry5131]

@@Ken-vm6bulmao you just admitted it was the wrong call

[@lukegentry5131]

All 3 of you need to read the rule book cuz the rule states you have to survive your INITIAL CONTACT with the ground which is jesses knee and he still has control of the ball after his knee touches not to mention he makes 3 separate football moves turning him into a runner I think you might be blind

[@bernardbutler2862]

This is when I stopped watching football forever,baca use I knew it was fixed.

[@joshlaguardia6568]

This man Alberto Riverson said roethlisberger “completes the pass to games”, it should of been a td, he said the ball touched the ground but I don’t see it

[@Xyamer127]

Dez made the catch because he did a football move. James didn't since he fell to the ground (not a football move, he needs to maintain full control all the way to the ground since he wasn't a runner.) If James became a runner it would've been a touchdown but he's still a receiver so he needs to maintain full control all the way to the ground.

[@lukegentry5131]

See that’s where you’re wrong Jesse tucks the ball and reaches out that is a football move he also lunges another one and when he caught the ball he turned upfield which is another football move the only thing that’s different about this play than the one w dez if dez didn’t reach he actually wouldn’t have survived the ground cuz the rule states that the receiver has to survive the INITIAL contact with the ground which is jesses knee and he keeps possession after that initial contact the whole notion that you have to have possession after you have been bounced 4 times on the ground is wrong you just have to control the ball through the INITIAL contact with the ground and we can all clearly see he does knee touches then does a football move clear as day for me

[@jakelinder4148]

3:26 “as we can see here, Roethlisberger completes the pass...” yikes

[@haydenhazelrig4550]

NFL VP: Completed pass Also VP: Not a catch

[@Nate-oh5oc]

Yeah exactly

[@Lawgang94]

As Steelers fan, I had always thought the Tebow OT pass would've been the all-time play I would never be able to live down, but this if not 1st is a close 2nd. Just think of the implications, if we get this win (which we should've) we have the #1 seed and don't face Jacksonville in our 1st post-season match-up, granted it was still possible we could've lost to Tennessee but I doubt it, so we get the win there and after beating Brady earlier in the regular I think we have the confidence, coupled with home-field advantage to pull out another win and make it to the SB. But unfortunately, I'll never get the chance to know.

[@S00PASTA]

well if it makes you feel better, the patriots went to the superbowl and had 41 points dropped on thier heads by a red hot eagles team. I doubt the steelers or any of the other AFC teams would have done much better.

[@sreeff4816]

@@S00PASTA Winning the conference championship and making it to the Super Bowl is still an achievement. If Ben Roethlisberger would have made it to 4 Super Bowls, no doubt in my mind less people would be saying he's not top 10 QB of all time right now!

[@Ttkbubfn]

I can't even watch this makes me so mad

[@benjiduhgoat3192]

tuck and extend .. I honestly couldn't tell you what a catch is anymore.

[@hagamapama]

I could. The rule is pretty clear. "if you leave your feet to go get the ball, you have to control it all the way through the landing to be awarded possession and permitted to score" See? Not that complicated. In fact it's the polar opposite of "complicated." The rule is so simple that it's rigid and doesn't give referees any leeway on close plays. Not so much this one but I think the enforcement was rigid with the Calvin Johnson catch. I think that should have counted but he let go of the ball too soon under the technialities of the rules, nothing the refs can do about this. This and the Dez play are exactly why the rule exists as written. In all 3 cases everyone either knew or should have known what the rule was from the outset. Homer fans either don't or, more usually, won't fully understand it when the actual rule doesn't benefit their team.

[@lukegentry5131]

@@hagamapamaand a tuck and extension is considered a football move and a football move is clear established possession not only that but so is turning upfield with the ball

[@lukegentry5131]

@@hagamapamaand no you don’t know the rule cuz the rule states you must survive INITIAL contact with the ground and where was Jesse’s initial contact his knee and he completely controls the ball after his knee touches initial contact only refers to first point of contact if he maintains possession after his body first touches the ground it’s a catch which he does cuz his knee hits and still has the ball ultimately completing the catch read the rule book dawg maybe you’ll learn something

[@hagamapama]

@@lukegentry5131 That's never been how the rule worked and you tricking yourself into thinking that because it's convenient for you doesn't change this.

[@lukegentry5131]

@@hagamapama lmao it’s online but okay lmao just think you know everything instead of having an oz of humility your ego takes over and only cares abt winning and argument by only putting down my argument by making me seem ignorant when you don’t know me at all AHHHAAHH

[@chrismiller6556]

Until the day I die that will be considered the most robbed game ever

[@LiLLaLa707]

I think Woodson may disagree but it is a toss up in my opinion

[@Jason-TheChad-Muska_circa1995]

I Think Dez Bryant would disagree

[@VidGaming]

Incomplete by rule, but that should've been a catch. Fix the damn rule please

[@KamalaLovingMan]

Great comment. Might I ask how they should fix it

[@chrgav1286]

How do you fix a rule that determines that if it’s a catch or not? Plain as simple, maintain possession through whole process when you’re a catcher. It’s like you saying in a toe tapping catch all you need is to toe tap and not maintain possession when you go out of bounds.

[@Jakieboy808]

Like Brandin Cooks?

[@CGagnon5]

fix the rule how? How would you change the rule to make this a catch? Allow players to catch off the ground?

[@rich63113]

Anywhere on the field, if you catch the ball while going to the ground, you need to control it through contact with the ground. The endzone doesn't make touching the ball a catch.

[@qbgabe12]

What i learn from other similar "catch" turn incomplete scenario: if you catch the ball in the end zone, or catch it around 1/2 yard line and stretching for TD - make sure the ball stick in your hand, the ball don't touch the ground, and most important: THE BALL DO NOT MOVE AT ALL

[@fernandotinoco6284]

If you think about it, Tony Corrente (The head ref who made this call) was the same ref who made the Jets touchback call in week 6 of 2017. Weird.

[@bendilo.20]

They love the patriots

[@sainte01]

TD

[@cludnine8635]

This year its a catch, and guess what the steelers beat the Patriots like they should have won last year

[@jamesdarr2293]

Notice how when the Patriots head coach got asked about it he had nothing to say. Smh

[@wannahangout4269]

James Darr what was he supposed to say🤦‍♂️

[@jamesdarr2293]

@@wannahangout4269 Something about the decision.

[@TheSSUltimateGoku]

James Darr Try putting yourself into a head-coaching shoes where a decision that wasn’t the right decision benefited your football team you’re going to tell me you’re going to actually talk about it and spill sour grapes over a call going your way that shouldn’t have? No coach will do that. When they get the benefit of the call.

[@jamesdarr2293]

Own up

[@coreyrowe2598]

Belchick always does that with the media, he usually gives them very little when they ask him questions.

[@JahNuhThunDeeTheOneAndOnly]

This is yet another reason why we never got an all-Pennsylvania Super Bowl

[@andrewweiss1930]

Brady’s excited! Now he gets to go home and make out with his son.

[@cam42704]

Andrew Weiss hold this L

[@ppumpkin3282]

Well Andrew, we see what you're preoccupied with.

[@webbofmusic]

Salt salt salt

[@speedmasters]

You’re actually funny

[@fortunatecookie9055]

It's NOT controversial. It was clearly a catch, clearly a TD. The Pats had the refs in their back pocket and everyone knows it. The NFL apologized to The Steelers the very next day for getting it wrong. But the Pats went to the Super Bowl again under suspicious circumstances. Question: How does the league make up for such a blatant cheat in such an important game? Answer: It doesn't

[@jollygrapefruit786]

Gotta love it when the NFL exposes themselves on their own KZbin channels 😂😂😂

[@dionr1168]

I'm a Cowboys fan who went through this once before... THAT WAS A CATCH!

[@hagamapama]

USING ALL CAPS MAKES ME RIGHT!

[@Xyamer127]

Dez did a football move, James did not.

[@dionr1168]

@@Xyamer127 Stretching the pigskin toward or across the goal line is a football move.

[@ExceptionalMussy]

As soon as the ball crosses the goal line it’s a touchdown. He had possession as soon as he initially crossed the goal line. Touchdown. Simple.

[@debitcard1]

Listen to 3:26 the guys says that by rule he needs to survive the ground and he doesn’t so it’s not a touchdown

[@ExceptionalMussy]

@@debitcard1 Nope. That doesn’t exist. Just like how if you make contact with the pylon after a catch, as soon as the ball crosses the invisible line, the play is over, and the result is a touchdown. You can’t apply the ground rule because the pylon rule represents that the ball crossing the invisible touchdown line takes priority over any other result afterwards.

[@bassavalanche1510]

5 words; Jesse James caught that ball.

[@joshauroberts7711]

Bass Avalanche no

[@yaboiwillio1047]

Joshau Roberts yess

[@mikecrowley3491]

No he didn’t

[@nathaniellarson8]

That was the right call by the rules then, it would be a TD today because that lunge is considered a football move. 2 feet, football move, break the plane, TD.

[@DancyHercules3]

But the ball still clearly popped out and touched the ground. Just look at the recent Hunter Henry call, and his was way less obvious than this. This was a good call

[@EternalStar2401]

Dez and Jesse caught it

[@Xyamer127]

Dez made a football move and James didn't

[@HeplMeh]

The rules for establishing possession of a catch are pretty clear, regardless of where in bounds you are.

[@edyoung4450]

Man the rule says if they’re going to the ground they must survive initial contact, his initial contact is his knee hitting the ground, at that point he had control of the ball. He then extends his arms into and across the goal line. At that point his elbow makes contact with the ground and he still has it. At that point the play should be over TD

[@thegoat7923]

Ed Young hmm where should I start. Ok so first he wasn't touched by a patriot at that point. Next, was he an established runner at any point? @ me with the time.... No? Ok. Third, "a football move" has been out for 10 years and nobody really complained about it until situations like these. If this was in the middle of the field nobody would care because it would be obvious he dropped the ball. That doesn't change even if he crossed the plane because in the motion, he ultimately did lose the ball before establishing himself as a runner. Therefore when you are not a runner and drop the ball, no matter where you are on the field.... Its an incomplete. And anyways its not like it was 4th and goal or anything... They had plenty of time. Can't believe there is even the tiniest bit of controversy over this... If people knew the rules of the game they wouldn't complain about a good call on an existing rule. Case closed.

[@jeremiahkneubuhl8894]

TheGoat. Are you dumb go read the rule book he wasn’t a runner which proves my point so he did survive initial contact lmaoo the refs were just being refs lol.

[@jeremiahkneubuhl8894]

But at the end of the day the Steelers lost so yeah if any team won it was the zebras lol

[@edyoung4450]

The Goat I read the rule, “if a player is going to the ground they must maintain possession through initial contact” I never said anything about him being touched or making a football play. What im saying is he caught the ball and had it in possession through his first and second points of contact with the ground. The terminology that the refs used of “surviving the ground” isn’t even in the rules. His initial contact was his knee hitting the ground, at that point its clear he had possession of the ball, then he extends over the goal line and when his elbow contacts the ground he still has the ball. According to the terminology used in the rule this play is a touchdown

[@leos1039]

he has to have FULL CONTROL OF THE BALL ........ THE WHOLE TIME.... clearly he didnt

[@GNXXRAY]

Once the ball crosses the plain…doesn’t matter. This was the 2nd worst call in NFL history whims The Tuck Rule

[@ryanbuck3383]

3 years ago and still the most pissed I have ever been over a football game. At least this years lookin bright for us

[@Mithos103]

Oof

[@zyartist4646]

Hopefully if they play each other in the playoffs, the better team will win this time

[@fakeandwombo337]

TeletubbySquad 21 sorry? Are you saying that the pats will again in the playoffs? :D

[@zyartist4646]

Clks honestly they probly will. All I’m sayin is I think the Steelers played better in this game. They’ll probly loose because the pats always seem to beat em tho. 😕

[@fakeandwombo337]

TeletubbySquad 21 hehe steelers is would probrally be the best in afc if the pats wasnt there, i dont now why but they games just dont seen to hit against the patriots

[@gs325jcbd]

TeletubbySquad 21 both are trash....EAGLES

[@leos1039]

don't jynx us now... :)

[@SylveonMujigaeOfficial]

I think the call should've standed, because I think the refs were rooting for the Patriots

[@bbz232]

Why am I watching this? This one was a heartbreaker.

[@slowvq9371]

ROBBED

[@DcardenasPodcast]

Just because the ball moved didnt mean that it didn’t survive, he still had possession. And the ball CAN graze the grass as long as he has possession. I hate the Steelers but more than anything i HATE bad calls like this

[@Xyamer127]

The ball moving is exactly what "didn't survive the grounding" means.

[@DcardenasPodcast]

The ball can move thou and touch the ground if u maintain possession. All that is irrelevant because since his knee went down he was a runner and crossing the plane was a TD

[@oj7063]

If AB doesn't leave the game in the 1st quarter Steelers win by 10

[@lemardunbar2248]

Tomlin said dont clock it, like why??? You can give yourself another play man🤦‍♂️

[@Baseballbat95]

pretty clear that it was incomplete and hit the ground

[@slave2tyranny]

You are an idiot! 99% of the world says different! You are a bandwagon rider.

[@williamhanley7031]

MLKKK pretty clear patriots win no matter what... Why you think it took so much time to overturn..... The big wigs had there hands in it..... What else are Steelers fans suppose to think?????? Touchdown for sure announcer even said. Dammit

[@Baseballbat95]

many calls have gone against the pats. quit with the excuses. The ball clearly hit the ground, you lost

[@williamhendriks1982]

MLKKK yeah sure, just dont act like the refs always favor the pats

[@Baseballbat95]

they dont

[@jwynder0244]

I never noticed this until watching this video. But at 3:27 Al Riveron says "He completes the pass to James" doesn't a completed pass mean a reception/catch? man the NFL catch rule was terrible before they change it.

[@hagamapama]

Nope. And technically it was not a completion. It just sort of looked like one.

[@bambamovo]

Tomlin knows that rule he's in the rule committee. that's why he didn't want to talk about it.

[@grinningchicken]

Belichick Ficher Lewis and Tomlin were defensive coaches and they insisted on the dumb rule.

[@Exodusumg]

Should of been a PI that last play that dude clearly pushed him down before the ball got there

[@esdawt6900]

They were both lunging.

[@beastmode218]

Tired of these Steelers crybabies man. Jesse James himself knew he didn't catch that ball and he didn't show no ounce of protest when it overturned. So there U GO!!! That wasn't a catch. Not going to even mention tht pick play that freed up JuJu.

[@Mexxicanntaco]

BeastMode 21 I mean every patriot player believed it was a td, you didn’t see a single player argue that it wasn’t. So that kinda contradicts what you said

[@beastmode218]

Klick Nine No it doesn't. Those defenders aren't the ones with the ball in their hands for trying to get the win. Jesse James dropped it enough said

[@manavpankhania2546]

Tired of these pats bandwagons like he totally wasn't disappointed when it was an "incomplete catch"

[@thegoat7923]

blueberry deal3r bandwagons? How do you not know he's a real pats fan?

[@AustinMichael]

Such a shame this Steelers team didn't even make it to a Super Bowl. They were stacked with prime AB, Bell and JuJu along with Hayward etc.

[@jameysummers1577]

The announcer was right, the ball moved in his hands. It was a touchdown. It has been looked at and looked at and the consensus is that he was robbed. The whole world minus patriots fans agree.

[@hagamapama]

The heck are you talking about. The ball moved in his hands means the ground knocked it loose. Gotta have possession before you can score a touchdown dude. By rule James never possessed the ball.

[@wexfordbuccos_7161]

I was at this game, even Patriots fans were acknowledging that it was a terrible call and that it was wrong.

[@tylerhayes4584]

@@hagamapama so glad u guys lost the the eagles

[@carryeveryday910]

Even patriot fans I know thought he was robbed lol.

[@jameysummers1577]

@@hagamapama No, he always had possession. He never lost possession.

[@jeremyparker4884]

so we aren't going to talk about how hilarious bill belichecks thoughts on the catch were? 3:38

[@dronkoss4618]

it was a catch. the ball hit the ground AFTER it crossed the plane. Therefore, it is a touchdown.

[@Baseballbat95]

wrong. It was never a catch, so it doesnt matter if it crossed the plane

[@Some0neSomewhere]

Except that's not the way the rule works in the end zone. He must have possession TO THE GROUND.

[@ashhnathan]

Wrong. The goal line only counts if the player is a runner, as he was still in the act of completing the catch he cannnot be a runner therefore the goal line is incomplete. Its the same as throwing a pass into the endzone, catching it and then losing it as you land, no different.

[@abduallah5755]

MLKKK lmaoooo keep trolling these fools

[@abduallah5755]

Ash Nathan exactly these fools don't understand he was still coming down with the catch. Regardless of reaching for the goal line HE WAS STILL COMING DOWN FROM THE CATCH. Gotta survive the ground. I don't have a problem with the rule

[@scorpionz44]

wasnt a catch, if he had possesion first and then went down it wuldve just been a fumble and recovered by him, but since he didnt finish the catch and then went down its incomplete. dunno why ppl r making a big deal of it

[@RockSensation119]

National fixed league

[@ugoterzi]

You don't want to think bad about Patriots. Then you see this.

[@Tom_Wuidward]

September 2022, and this clip still makes me mad, he caught that damn ball

[@fixedonsuccess]

As a patriots fan I thought it was a TD... correct me if I’m wrong but for it to be a TD the football just needs to pass the plane at the goal line right?

[@jesusbarraza9683]

only if you are a runner or a receiver converted into one.

[@SquishyMissyMinecraft-SMM]

Pats fan here. Somehow never seen this before (or had and forgotten about it), I'm so angry for the Steelers. That is a catch surely? Even if not quite a TD, the knee comes down well before the ball hits the ground. Yes I'm here due to HH's overturned TD last night, I'm pissed about that too. But this one is worse.

[@normanrevell403]

I have not ever heard that rules before are it didn't survive the ground

[@noahballard1469]

One of the shittiest calls of all time.

[@JuanMasaVB]

That rule is actually irrelevant because he was never initially in the end zone that rule would only apply if he land outside the end zone or was already in the end zone once you break the plain anything after that is irrelevant lol

[@michaelzayas9395]

Big ben always throwing someone under the bus lmao.

[@Amb252]

That's a touchdown

[@pixzn]

How is this incomplete, but Super Bowl 51 winning touchdown a touchdown with James white? Someone please reply back

[@dragoncarnage1210]

This is incomplete because a reciever must maintain possession of the ball if they have not progressed forward using their feet or hands technically and is ineligible to be considered a runner. They must survive contact with the ground which he clearly did not as he lost control when the ball hit the ground. The james white was a toss to the RB so he was already a runner as he did not catch a forward pass. James white then broke the plane of the endzone and scored.

[@airman6937]

Are we going to ignore the atrocity that was that last play

[@theWilburM]

An arguably worse officiating call, if that’s possible. The defender grabbed the back of Eli Rogers’s jersey and used it to slingshot past for the pick… directly in front of the official… no call.

[@kevonsidek9737]

@@theWilburMthat was good defense stop crying

[@Some0neSomewhere]

People who insist on "It's a touch down because the ball broke the line" need to read the rule book. People are confusing a runner with full control of the ball vs a receiver who's in the process of making a catch. When a runner, who has control of the ball breaks the goal plane with the ball, the play is dead as it is a TD. When a RECEIVER is in the process of making a catch the play is NOT DEAD until he controls it to the ground. Whether he crosses the line or not means nothing UNTIL it's deemed he has control of the ball. James catches the ball and in less than a second, turns, falls to a knee, stretches, and hits the ground with the ball causing it to pop loose. The ball did not "survive the ground" and that's that. It's not really hard to see unless you're biased against or for one of the teams. If you don't like the rule, that's fine, most people don't (even Pats fans hate it since it was called on them earlier in the year.) It's a horrible rule which, no doubt, will be changed. If I was a Pitt fan, I'd be more angry at the time management and play call after that, though. Ben should have thrown that away and gone for OT.

[@jemiller226]

You don't know the rule, so why are you telling everyone else what they should think? Here it is: "If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball until after his initial contact with the ground." Key phrase is "his initial contact with the ground", which would be his knee, not his hand. The phrase "survive the ground" is nowhere in the rule and is 100% an after the fact interpretation of what is written. Maybe it's what the competition committee intended the rule to say, but it's not what the rule actually says.

[@colbyvavrek7693]

That's A Catch. No Doubt. Terrible Call To Overturn This.

[@stevengrvp]

Romo knew it

[@bradycook1969]

I love tommy yelling at the crowd that was great 😂

[@jameysummers1577]

While everyone boos him. yeah, that sums up his career.

[@TheOptiima]

@@jameysummers1577 Yup exactly. Everybody hating and he still winning 😂

[@sndsofscnce]

Garbage rule and terrible call. The only outcomes of that should have been either a touchdown or the ball on the 1 yard line. It was a catch.

[@CGagnon5]

That no catch call is probably the easiest call in the history of the league. ball can't touch the ground. it's that simple

[@connort6561]

CGagnon5 but its a dumb rule

[@mikepinkham2846]

Well the ball can come into contact with the ground turning a catch. But you have to maintain control . he clearly did not

[@davidmarshall5323]

Connor T, no it’s not-it prevents you just falling on the ball and saying that it’s a catch. If the ball touchhes the ground and you don’t maintain control it’s not a catch

[@restorenperformcoaching5983]

@@davidmarshall5323 that's clearly not the case. He catches it in two hands and makes a move for the endzone. Thus was not a diving catch, it was a catch and a dive

[@actavisprime514]

Tom Brady’s high voice scares me

[@Hfajardo97]

LMFAO at Brady riling up the Steelers fans as he left

[@Amb252]

But they cheated

[@goldenhedgehog9]

Wasn't just the blown call on the touchdown that made this ending controversial, but also the no call for holding on the reciever during the interception play. Granted, if they got the call right the first time none of that would've happened.

[@ThomasNichols3]

Everybody saying he didnt catch it but in the rules If u have ur knee down thats 2 feet Plus he made a football move by pulling the ball to his chest and he extended to the goal line so its a td, but its over now😢🏈

[@morningmadera]

you have no idea what the rules are ... read some more ... you don't even know what a football move is

[@leos1039]

but lost control of the ball.. he clearly twisted it or whatever you want to call it when he made contact with the ground

[@ThomasNichols3]

leo s it doesnt matter as long if the ball crosses the plain

[@ThomasNichols3]

Morning Madera The "didnt survive the ground" rule doesnt matter cuz he crossed the plain and he had his knee down which is practically 2 feet

[@morningmadera]

the knee down and crossing the plain only applies to runners ... he wasn't a runner, he had to *complete the catch* first, which he didn't ... learn the rules and the difference between a runner and a receiver and then come back to us.

[@Mateo009-b6f]

If it was the pats they would had said it was a TD !!!!

[@brianking3567]

This kind of stuff is why ratings are down

[@CurtJ007]

Brian King except this was the highest rated game all season sooooo...

[@brianking3567]

I meant dumb calls like that. Not the game as a whole.

[@thisaintitfam5300]

Brian King no it’s because the pats win countless times once brady retires or they gets some better refs than more people will watch also could say its low because of retirements like manning,smith and lewis

[@brianking3567]

2k God101 I agree. It gets boring watching the same team in the AFC championship every year. But these rules are why its called the no fun league.

[@thisaintitfam5300]

Brian King once brady and ben roethlisberger retire the league will be wide open thats saying if bill belicheck leaves aswell

[@squirrelforhisacorn]

Well in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different way and without fighting and by trying to make it clear, and by considering each and every one's opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say.

[@justakidfromwestvirginia9199]

INCOMPLETE

[@dronkoss4618]

it’s complete. he had control, ball hit the ground after crossed the plane. therefore, touchdown.

[@beastmode218]

Kinikin Playz he never had established possession face it james let that ball hit the turf

[@brianv3ntura]

Kinikin Playz he never had control. I suggest u know rules are different for an established runner ( which you are trying to refer from that ruling) and going to the ground. And i am a jags fan...if anything i should hope that it was an actual TD as a Pats loss wouldve put the jags as the #2 seed,but that would be biased thinking.

[@coolstick784]

brianv3ntura When he reached over the goal line with the ball between his hands, he didn’t have control of the ball?

[@esdawt6900]

How do you two say it's not a catch after watching the video? Riveron cleared explained why it wasn't.

[@john-paulstack7628]

Ok I’m sorry but even if his hand moved a bit he still controlled the ball all the way

[@camdengriffith3348]

it was a catch no matter what fan it is

[@HAMlLTON]

What goes around, comes around. Today the patriots took their medicine. The rules of reception are a bit too gray imo.

[@evanwalker1514]

How do people think this is a catch the ball clearly moves out of is hands and touches the ground this isn't even like the Calvin Johnson play Steelers fans must just be salty that somthing didn't go their way for once

[@motymevol5898]

SChamberlain1978 Omfg the audacity. Smh 😂😂😂

[@evanwalker1514]

SChamberlain1978 not if he's coming to the ground while crossing the goal plain but you seem to know your stuff

[@motymevol5898]

Association of Free People Breaking the plane only applies if you're a runner cos it means you already 'caught' the ball. When you're a receiver hitting the ground, complete the catch first which includes surviving impact with the ground before anything else applies.

[@brycebrooks8484]

SChamberlain1978 no, the play is dead when the ball breaks the plane only if the player is ruled as a runner. Jesse was going to the ground when catching it, therefore he isnt a runner and must complete the entire process of the catch(i.e, survive the ground).

[@pb4897]

Bryce Brooks Honestly? I still don't know why this is so hard for people to understand this rule. The rule is different for runners and receivers. The call was right but the rule is a sucky one. But that didn't change the fact that it is the rule.

[@BigDaddyBeefPatty]

Jesse could've tucked that ball for a catch but he made a FOOTBALL MOVE. Still pissed about this.