Patrick Mahomes' chase for seven titles begins with daily grind (FULL INTERVIEW) | FNIA | NFL on NBC

Ahead of Kansas City's season opener, Patrick Mahomes catches up with Chris Simms about his heroics in last year's playoff run, how he compares to Steph Curry and the secret to reaching the Super Bowl once again. #NBCSports #NFL #PatrickMahomes
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[@nopeteys2424]

Mahomes is still such a humble regular dude despite all his fame and success. Great interview Simms!

[@williamd1891]

Chris is invited to a K.C BBQ.

[@jkrasney1]

I agree, nice interview from Chris. Although had Chris watched Patrick's pre-draft interview with Coach John Gruden, Chris would have already known PM15's anawers. Still, I enjoyed the give and take, especially the manner in which PM15 grips the football 🏈. Let's win another Super Bowl! Go Chiefs!

[@bobmuller5002]

He hasn't even vacationed at the MalDives and he makes $50,000,000 a year

[@jorichards1035]

Mahomes is the most awesome QB.

[@asobstoryforeverysong9853]

@@jkrasney1 I'm sorry but you Mahomes fanboys are so incredibly sad and tragic. Calling him PM15 constantly, you guys are like a bunch of screaming high school girls following around their favorite boy band. Maybe you are a high school girl, in which case I apologise

[@trevor3575]

As a packers fan that has watched favre and rodgers my entire life, I’ve NEVER seen anyone as talented as Pat. He is unreal

[@Mik3yLow]

People really forget that Simms was the only analyst that said Mahomes was going to be a one of the best QB's in the league prior to him taking the starting position

[@jamesbb4]

Louis Riddick also

[@GKA11111]

Simms is a genius

[@iankendall75]

He was equally high on Zach Wilson lol

[@GKA11111]

@@iankendall75 lol yeah it’s not like Wilson was the consensus number #2 qb on every board. Chris is INSANE for making him #1

[@jokarpinski22]

He also ranked Jalen Hurts something like 32nd last year

[@jannjackson8461]

You cannot fake authenticity. It's one of the things that makes him special!

[@markymark2820]

It's not that you can't fake authenticity because you can. It's just really easy to spot it when someone's faking it and it's obvious he ain't.

[@GRITBONE]

​@@markymark2820that means you can't fake it, but I get what you're saying

[@stevenvassalli2408]

Humble. No matter what negative things he doesn't get upset. He just works harder. He knows he's good.

[@nathanpeoples2319]

My family moved to KC when I was about 2 or 3 and lived there for about 13 years. I became a Chiefs fan during the Trent Green and Dick Vermeil era then endured the Todd Haley and Matt Cassel years. Never in my wildest dreams would I imagine that the Chiefs would have one of the most gifted QBs and one of the greatest offensive minds at Head Coach in Andy Reid. I'm so happy with KC right now and I know I can't take it for granted. It won't be like this forever and I'm gonna enjoy every moment of this era

[@GatBlackistan]

We didn't win a lot of playoff games during the Dick Vermeil era but man those teams were fun to watch.

[@eovniel]

Facts! We have always had some absolute superstars, but we have never had a legit star QB. And thankfully he isn't a slimeball or a douche bag.

[@GRITBONE]

​@@GatBlackistanthat's exactly what made it so brutal when the season ended every year! We were so good and never could put it together in the playoffs.. we had the 2nd or 3rd longest playoff win drought for so long until Andy Reid came with Alex Smith and we beat the brakes off the Texans from the opening kickoff to the house, to the final whistle blowing, 30-0! But even then we would only go to the divisional round and lose to a better QB. Then Mahomes came along.. Man what a ride!

[@timeismoney757]

same dude chiefs dick vermeil team got me into football love it now what a time to be alive

[@Omar-kt6in]

Dick Vermeil would always get emotional and 😢 cry through press conferences...😆. Great coach tho.

[@ElenasDad]

Chris Simms is a great down to earth interviewer.

[@robertd.7060]

YES , if IT"S your QB , he's DONE ! Burrow , Allen , Mahomes ? PS and this PLAY order is way off , Mahomes should HAVE been the 1st QB , not the 3rd QB ? I guess my QB & some OTHERS just plan as# suck all the time ! But , again to hear MOST fans / media out lets talk , I still got to wait on Hurts , Jackson & Tua , who got his as# beat real bad VRS my QB , last year & maybe T. Lawrence , to wait in 15 years to see MY QB ON a Simms 1 on 1 QB show !

[@kevenadrien]

Chargers fan here, Mahomes is the most special QB we’ll witness for a long time. I told myself that with Rodgers, but then came along Mahomes. Gonna be a fun season baby!!!

[@bobbyrouth1493]

Your QB no slouch either. Takes us to literally the end of the wire each time, amazing we got to watch those 2 go at it for years to come.

[@petertekippe5391]

I’m a broncos fan and I love watching Mahomes. Yea I feel a little sick inside too lol. But he’s definitely the goat. Gotta have respect for a young man like him.

[@mikeserum1409]

KC fan here - and your QB is a good one - love that our division has both of these guys....Herbert is a great QB...but Pay #15 -rare air!!!!

[@samtraveljunkie]

Chiefs fan here and Herbie is amazing! your coach sucks, but your QB is awesome.

[@hetrulz666]

I originally thought Herbert with Andy Reid would have the same results with same weapons. Herbert's pretty damn good too. #GOCHIEFS

[@TDR-0484]

Mahomes really is that guy. We'll be talking about him 50 years from now.

[@francisngo]

Mahomes is him

[@GRITBONE]

As a lifelong Chiefs fan, knowing just how absolutely awful we were for so long.. We appreciate this dude so fucking much! It was 50 years between SB wins for us, it's only fitting people keep talking about Mahomes 50 years from now!

[@raniasaad8772]

we’ll be talking about him forever. hes one of the goats already

[@Schedule1ne315]

Duh

[@artyfuffkin7805]

We're almost done with sports

[@AWD_T]

Great interview! The most non-scripted conversation I've seen in a while

[@williamd1891]

Non-scripted, Chris checks his script. 😂 Joking, I know what you mean, it felt like an organic convo between two dudes playing catch.

[@scarfaceaceo]

As a Kansas Citian, I appreciate this brotha every day. Changed everything

[@dcollie20]

Mahomes a solid authentic individual ,and the absolute coldest in the NFL🔥🔥🔥🔥💯💯🙏

[@adambeaman7304]

I appreciate how they both appreciate each others appreciation.

[@marcelmartins5938]

Chris Simms called it back then, now he gets the chance to spend time with this greatness. What a fantastic story. Chris is no doubt one of the best football analysts, interviewers and podcasters out there. Hope you stay as long as possible Chris!

[@robertd.7060]

He says, He was on the 2020 NFL BUST QB list , too ? BUT, just how MANY shows did they do on him ? Not many ! More like they [ PFT ] do one on his team EVERY 7 weeks , give Or take a week !

[@BeEazy816]

His warm up routine sounds a lot like a starting pitchers bullpen before a games. Seeing how his stuff feels so he knows what’s working for him that day. Sports is crazy yo.

[@JorgeM270]

His pops was a MLB pitcher so makes sense

[@NathanRhwmf]

great comment

[@markb3786]

Mahomes is a baseball player. He grew up playing baseball. Came to football late. His off schedule throws we see now are really just throws on the move to first base or turning a double play.

[@GatBlackistan]

That's wild but true. "My breaking ball is nasty today"

[@RogerGoodeII]

This is a cool comment. Makes me wonder if he feels out his throw and converses with Andy before games on what he is comfortable doing

[@fleckbigsby5432]

This is so cool for Chris, way to go.

[@esdietsch]

this is impossibly sweet and genuine, from both of them. how refreshing. no showboating, just an honest and inquisitive conversation about the game!

[@stephennjoroge8162]

Chris needs his own show at FS1 no doubt he’s the best objective and honest analyst who knows the game in and out. Love watching him with Mike. He also played the game 😮 😊😊

[@jnkjnk-ye2gu]

Great analyst. He does deserve but objective? Ehh

[@RictorIAG]

LMAO! What you mean is JT O'Sullivan from the QB School. He actually breaks down tape. Chris Simms has terrible QB takes and he's a yes man to Florio.

[@TheSilverLakeSteve]

Chris is a much better analyst than his dad in my opinion

[@TheSadDane]

​@@RictorIAGNot a big fan of O'Sullivan. He likes to take shots at Simms that generally aren't deserved. Simms goes out on a limb from time to time, but he generally acknowledges when he's been wrong.

[@freddieritter5632]

Mahomes is the toughest QB I've seen!! He's always beat up when playoffs start, puts team on his back and wins rings!! Most QBs wouldn't even play

[@joeltober5987]

As a die hard Steelers fan I absolutely love patty mahomes he is one of the greatest of all times go chiefs

[@Gabeloveyou]

Adore Patrick. Best ever. Professional, honest, pleasant. Everyday guy. Easy to admire ❤.

[@ryanwhite9437]

My daughter was born January 17th, 2020... And 2 weeks later Mahomes and the chiefs won the super bowl. All thats happened since shes been alive, is Chiefs success. I hope Mahomes continues this other worldly success so she can SEE it and remember it as she gets older. We're going to have to explain to generations who never got to see him live, how he created all these trends that future QBs will surely try to mimic.

[@marycontryman5496]

Superb interview, Mr. Sims. I really enjoyed watching it.. your were right on and I found out things about #15 that I didn’t know. I watch everything about this young man just like I watched everything about Namath. I truly think he will be one of the best. I enjoy your podcast and watch each one. You are direct and informative. Thanks!

[@tigerhoods7927]

You know simms was drooling over this segment the way he can’t stop talking about mahomes

[@ckq]

He's had Rodgers (2019) and Allen (2022) over Mahomes.

[@andrewfung9340]

He said he was the best QB in that draft over Watson who was the number 1 at that time

[@M.Yigit1992]

Why are you obsessed with Simms under every video, you know he's married right?

[@EnterpriseNCC-1701]

Why do people always hate on studio analysts for just supporting another athlete?

[@williamd1891]

It's called entertainment. Sometimes they do different takes just because.

[@arx3lsworld38]

Love this interview! Glad to have him here in KC!❤

[@SandorCleganeTheHound]

“That’s my Quarterback” - Terrel Owens

[@tywinders7628]

The most thoughtful, humble superstar ever! Fantastic interview, and catch, Mr. Sims.

[@jakebarnes1950]

Wow! Lucky to be a 50 year plus Chiefs fan! You see how much Mahomes lives that Team is everything Mantra!

[@robertd.7060]

Try the OTHER side of the coin ? 48 years a Chargers fan .1960 to now , WE have HAD , maybe the BEST run of NFL QB"S in that time period & got a AFL title in 1963 to show & that is it . EVERY team in the AFC WESTERN DIV"S has at least 3 Super Bowl rings ? Our only chance , we faced the BEST 49ers team of all time , with our worst starting QB , who we didn't draft ?

[@carol-us4xn]

Mahomes is the most magnificent QB we will see for a long time. 💯👌👏

[@jamesjazzy8040]

Yes, we'll all just continue to ignore the fact that 18 turnovers last year, bottom half in the league

[@sludgejudge19]

​@@jamesjazzy8040and don't ignore the yards , touchdowns, comebacks or trophies ! Definitely overrated !

[@davwes8594]

Nope, his offense around him is

[@00_Jones]

​​@@davwes8594ahh come man. When a QB is doing good its always the weapons he has and if he's doing bad its cause he needs more weapons. Smh. Just not true. PM is great. Don't matter who's around him. But he ain't winning 7 SBs. Now that's nonsense.

[@robertd.7060]

@@00_Jones And why is that ? He's in a MUCH harder DIV"S & has another good young QB , hear , most others say , BUT, NOT , me ? Burrow & Allen are way OVER hyped & have a LOT of help [ ON ] the field to help out on there TURN OVERS . My QB just needs his TEAM to STAY on the field one of these years & I think the whole NFL will see what He can do , with just SOME help form his team mates 1 of these seasons ?

[@catherinelee3298]

❤Patrick🏈

[@lukecafferty-h7l]

All time Video. Thank You. And Chris Simms crushes-- he deserves a seat at that SNF table

[@RobbieWebster]

Wow excellent interview! This is by far my favorite Mahomes interview of his career. He’s sneaky smart and if you listen to him long enough you realize that he’s a lot like Andy Reid, in that he doesn’t give up a lot of info or ever say anything controversial when he’s answering a question. Chris did a really good job breaking down those walls. There’s nothing earth-shattering here, but you can feel his comfort level. We got a lot of great insights into this young superstar. Man… well done.

[@dawnnichols736]

As a KC fan… great interview!!! Just the mind of Mahomes….it’s just wow. 😮

[@szn1580]

Mahomes is that guy man

[@arrowheadftball]

Just two dudes talking about what they love. Patrick is "him" and yet he's effortlessly engaging and mild mannered. Chris also just approaches the interview in a relaxed "fan" mode. Really special friends now. It's great to see. Enjoyed watching. Thank you.

[@hbtCHIEFS]

Absolutely incredible interview. Was great hearing Chris Simms without Florio’s conspiratorial bullsh*t

[@followerofyahweh3851]

How bout those Chiefffffs

[@SuperBionicBillionHeaven47]

I don’t know if Patrick Mahomes will win 7 championships but I see him winning a lot.

[@brianminkc]

Two of my favorite dudes. Patrick is the apple of our eye in KC. A consummate professional. Chris is always welcome here. Chris that deodorant isn't cutting it bro.

[@ryanwhite9437]

😂😂😂😂 that dude is ALWAYS leakin!

[@Hedges4theHogs]

The first 45 seconds is just them appreciating each other.

[@rungy8214]

Thank you Patrick Mahomes and Coach Simms! You guys are the BEST!!! Amazing interview...you are both truly BLESSED!!!

[@dodu8281]

wow, as a pack fan, mahomes favorite qbs were bret favre and aaron rodgers. way to go!!!

[@RogerGoodeII]

He is honestly kind of a love child of those 2. The Packers have been so blessed with QBs, which is so annoying as a Vikings fan. The run is over Edit: If Jordan Love is a superstar I will cry myself to sleep so hard.

[@dodu8281]

@@RogerGoodeII well jordan love looked pretty good lately. but to turn the corner is overcome the mental aspects, handling the pressure in clutch moments. of course we cant know now. i think for aaron it was for me the playoff game vs kurt warner's cards. most points in a playoff game.... then u know u turned the corner.

[@patrick815]

Go Pat go !

[@Tomocohanx]

Favorite segment

[@jamiephillips5350]

Great interview, Chris.

[@CherryDad]

He mentions baseball, he was drafted by the Detroit Tigers but never signed. Imagine him being a baseball star...

[@tayjenkins2188]

THATS MY QB! Listen here folks Ima say this… This guy is going no where anytime soon. the hard work and dedication, competitiveness, leadership and love for the game is already on display. You heard him say he’s learning and growing each and every year more and more on top of his talent so the nfl can not catch him. He’s not slowing down anytime soon. He was built for this, the spotlight and fame has not changed his humbleness and love for what he does. He is different. Appreciate greatness when you are witnessing it no matter how much you might hate that he plays for the chiefs. We will be talking about this guy for years #Chiefskingdom

[@Paul_Leisure]

I’m a dolphins fan but Mahomes is my favorite player, I don’t care sue me😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@tafilmmaker]

Chiefs fans with big love for Miami

[@dragonridersally]

I’m gay

[@kane6529]

that’s nasty work 🤮

[@OscarUnrated]

Me as a giants fan

[@petervasilak995]

I don't think u cldve sounded more stupid

[@NathanRhwmf]

two absolute class acts

[@tomaspenna2815]

That's awesome!! Chris is the man, keeps getting better and better on each interview. Keep it up, homie!!

[@Mohagnito94]

Good interview Real raw and honest

[@michaellewis9748]

What’s amazing to me is his consistency! While coaching at LeTourneau University we’d sometimes use his high school gym. The first time I saw him was in basketball practice. I kept asking his coach who is that young man?! His work habit was off the freaking chain! Like Silky P (his pops) said this young man is truly different! The Lord bless Lamar Hunt for his work as a humbled man of God. He’s smiling down looking at his Son take their franchise to new heights!! Mahomes out

[@Sweetpea-Peanut]

Grace and passion. DC4L grandmother here, but I love this kid! He credits his mom for the nudge to football. Credits dad for being a sports guy Loyalty to his little league thru college coaches and players Credits coach Reid and team for his success. Take a lesson young people it takes a village.

[@benjaminwachold3736]

It’s amazing 🤩 how he knows where to go with the ball 🏈 yet he still has his game as well. One of his best throws in my mind is a 4th and 9 where he scrambles to his right, throws it across his body to Tyreek Hill for a TD. The play I’m talking about was against the Baltimore Ravens, also a no look pass in the same game.

[@ThisJohnJonesCantFight]

We need a Chris Simms road series with QBs. Love his segment with Burrow, Allen, and Mahomes on their throwing. We need an update every couple years and it'd be great to see other young QBs too like Stroud and Herbert.

[@zaidoraid24]

What an great interview

[@Rymullins18]

Anyone else feel old when he started talking about his dad having Favre on his fantasy team when he was 10 yo?

[@shivampatel2794]

My fav qb and my fav analyst... dream come true

[@vw2430]

The chiefs and their fans hit the JACKPOT

[@dawnnichols736]

It took us a looooong time!!!!!

[@HappyTrees]

I feel so blessed.

[@vw2430]

@@dawnnichols736 as a 27 year old 49er fan. I am patiently waiting.

[@mobilehutch]

​@@vw2430shoulda been born in the 70s

[@HotDawgzzzzz]

I honestly thought I would never see the day, I always said, with the rich history with the Hunts, I never understood why this team wasn't elite every season, Chiefs always had a solid Defense and offense or one way or another . This just goes to show you need a good QB . I loved Alex Smith, but he could never get over that hump . Now the Chiefs found a QB that could . I'm a humble fan and I will never take the Mahomes years for granted .

[@de1738]

Mahomes🎉 Innovation is a result of Strategy and Experience mixed with Adrenaline🎉

[@carycary5824]

What a great guy Pat is!!! Great interview!!!!! Go Chiefs!!!!!!!

[@Bairom06]

In 10 years i wanna come back to this vid, when mahomes hopefully has 7-8 rings 🙏.

[@markb3786]

8 please

[@Bairom06]

@@markb3786 i hope, but things would be lot different if mahomes didn't blow that 21-3 lead. And beat the rams the following game 😭

[@Kiefer0612]

Man it’s so bizarre being a chiefs fan now. Like it’s amazing getting to experience this teams kind of success but you can’t help but also feel like every year that he doesn’t get a Super Bowl win is a busted year and that’s crazy. I hope he gets 8 or at least 7 in half the time

[@Bairom06]

@@Kiefer0612 ikr lol, its insane. Especially considering how we were so close but so far with smith.

[@jkrasney1]

@@Bairom06 Eric Bieniemy blew that lead against the Bengals, far .ore than PM15. If PM15 would have checked down and/or increased the run game against the Bengals, the Chiefs could have won and then played against the Rams in the Super Bowl. Nevertheless, two Super Bowl championships and seeking a third in February 2024.

[@susanmaggiora4800]

I love how he says “Come off the mound” when he’s talking about throwing.

[@GKA11111]

Simms great job you made mahomes comfortable and kept us entertained

[@Omar-kt6in]

15yrs of more Mahomes...LFG CHIEFS KINGDOM.

[@kscmad]

Great interview - loved it! Thank you.

[@LoriKelce]

Mahomes is such an amazing Quarterback, He is all about teamwork making the dreamwork! Much Love...PS.. Say Hi to Brittany! lol

[@jjjj66230]

It's really crazy when you think about it it's September 2023 if my homes doesn't play one game this season and decided to just retire it's a night before the game opener he would not only go to the hall of fame but will be in the conversation of the top three quarterbacks of all time man this dude my really be the one.

[@mattmccullough1093]

I didn't know that Brett Farr was Patrick mahomes is football idol, that's pretty awesome.

[@Blakkcartel]

Let’s go my favorite qb man ‼️‼️‼️‼️

[@mannymonte2]

Pats an all around GOAT!!

[@stevenvassalli2408]

Been a Chiefs fan since '66. I was 5 yrs old. Lived in Raytown, Mo. Raytown was a clean subdivision of KC. Moved to St. Charles, Mo in '67 to '69. Cardinals were in WS both yrs. Moved back to KC area in '69. Lived in Grandview, Mo. Another nice subdivision of KC. Was also clean at the time. So for 4 yrs Chiefs went to SB, Cardinals 2 WS then Chiefs win the SB. Then pure disappointment for 49 yrs. Used to drive to KC from Wichita, Ks throughout the '90's-2005. Got burnt out because every yr different team. Hoping the Chiefs can keep somewhat some players for a few yrs.

[@akvalues]

The best I ever seen

[@natebecker9976]

Been fans of you both from the beginning, great interview! (Old KC fan and Simms on Lebatard Show)

[@hawaiiguykailua6928]

Always a good one on one with Simms. Good people and Chris is the best at disarming people and having backyard conversations.

[@ferbd576]

I love u Pat ❤

[@johndoe9677]

Great interview Chris

[@urvishshah6327]

What a wonderful human being!! Such a humble confidence will definitely make him reach great heights. He is as cerebral, gritty and talented as Tom Brady, the GOAT!! Wish him the best against surging Lions and their gritty D line and DBs in the first game! I still believe Lions come away with an upset! Goff will continue to own Mahomes!!! Even the greatest can't win all the games all the time!!!

[@estuardodacaret]

Hahahaha continue to own mahomes, what??? Cause his team beat him once 54-51 at their stadium? That is owning someone? You’re not brilliant to put it nicely 😂

[@96redprelude]

​@estuardodacaret9045 aw common man. I'm a Chiefs fan but this is just friendly banter. He was super respectful of #15. Chill out my guy.

[@fdrstan]

Chiefs will crush the Lions. Other than that, agree wholeheartedly.

[@ChiefMan15]

Detroit ain’t beating the chiefs you crazy

[@frogbark]

I appreciate people who don't say appreciate more then once in a conversation.

[@ricommg]

The grip conversation was amazing! A cool diff story to hear

[@gfunkera]

Chris Simms does not get enough credit for being a great interviewer and football mind. He should be getting more Prime Time opportunities in the media.

[@wendellgee11]

It makes sense when he says that he starts with his feet and it goes to his fingers; Wemby (Spurs) says the same, and they both focus on their feet in workouts.

[@TobiasThomasKoberr]

Patrick Mahomes is the best QB ever!

[@jesselawson224]

Love this interview, really dig the way Chris interviews these guys. Keep up the good work!

[@Erik_T_Thompson]

This was a great interview. Simms was a great interviewer and helped to once again show what a humble guy Mahomes is.

[@anasshahid224]

Patrick Mahomes is the man, love his chill vibe 😊

[@AYjoy93]

As a jets fan and football fan in general, I’m glad they brought up the long awaited duel between Rodgers and Mahomes in week 4, it’s gonna be a movie 💯😤🙌🏿 People forget that Rodgers was the original Mahomes and it’s cool to hear that Mahomes loved watching Rodgers growing up

[@stephfortier8946]

What an awesome guy

[@brianbailey3013]

Pat will be the GOAT

[@robmiller2221]

He will be! 3 more championships ❤

[@abdullatifqaasim1939]

It's great to hear Mahomeboy talk through the cerebral aspect of the position from his view point.

[@gerry3RS]

Even as a Chargers fan I can’t hate on Pat. Dude is awesome to watch play qb.

[@smhitscomplicated2207]

Great interview with two of my favorite people…!!!

[@gregkuruvilla4280]

Can you imagine if he had close to a defense that Brady had in NE! What he has accomplished with the defenses he has had in his career is absolutely amazing!

[@robertharper3003]

I love your podcast. Chris! Your the best! Along with. Pat! Go. Chiefs!

[@NatureBoii99]

This was a really good interview. Just two guys tossing the pigskin around.

[@QuietStormX]

Great QB & Football Player too ;-D

[@carmortiz2816]

So cool..great interview

[@SteveHancock-b7z]

Great interview, Chris!

[@rcdesigns]

Chris Sims is a respectable man in his own right, and to see him enamored with Mahomes just affirms my theory that we are seeing the Michael Jordan of football. "He was more than a man, but less than a God. You know like Hercules or something" - Benny the jet Rodriguez

[@bluebuddy1234]

Great interview. Love simms

[@foveisy]

THIS IS FIRE 🔥 More of Chris doing this 🙏

[@andycohen9235]

I Love watching Patrick play and love the KC team, even tho I’m a Jets fan and can’t wait for him and Aaron go at it as I know they are friends, in my opinion, no losers in that game!