Ngcukaitobi : Some sections of the Expropriation Act need to be clarified

[@Kamogelo]

Incredibly informative and wonderfully articulated-Adv Ngcukaitobi's debates are a pleasure to listen to and such a great source of learning.

[@philiphanna980]

For sure - clear and informative

[@vleiratfilms2020]

Very fairly conducted interview. Interesting perspective.. Don’t agree in principle but appreciate the opportunity to hear the learned advocates opinion and interpretation. Thank you both.🌹

[@Stitch-g8r]

The ANC did not provide houses as promised years ago. Now the coffers are empty, they want to take working farms that provide food for us all. Why not spend money( which they looted over time) and help the poor with land. What happened with the 6 000 farms the ANC is in possession of? The farms which were taken by the state are in a terrible state because the government could not support the new farmers financially.

[@MMHoldingsInc]

I'm not an anc anything but quite the damn lies, anc has provided millions of rdp homes you can easily see them in township areas, and the land reform is not for farm land it's for economic opportunity, nationalising the mineral wealth of this country so that it could fund and act as a subsidy of SA industrialization effort, as Denmark has done Nobody cares about Van Wyk owning grapes or oranges in Western Cape, or land for housing, land expropriation is about the overall economy and job creation

[@PumlaNzima]

1652 took the land never bought

[@PumlaNzima]

That's the land to be claimed back

[@PumlaNzima]

Settlers arrived on 26 April 1652 and took the land and many more.

[@Kingdom3in1]

​@@PumlaNzimayou are living in the past, MOVE ON!

[@MororisengPapole]

Mr. Tembeka Ngcukaitobi🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🏆🏆🏆

[@AmoMoëti]

We need people like him in the parliament. He is sober and smart.

[@MzamoAdoons-d6n]

​@@AmoMoëtiI don't think so, parliament is for factions and sectarianism. 🤞🤞🤞

[@MororisengPapole]

@@AmoMoëti ka nnete warra

[@Kingdom3in1]

Political footballing by ANC

[@MzamoAdoons-d6n]

@@AmoMoëti He must stay as far as possible from that corrupt parliament🤣🤣🤣

[@Tman501]

Until we remove ANC from power SA is going nowhere, i'm glad the Advocate is explaining the facts that ANC is playing with people's mind.

[@itanetherevivalistrevivali8419]

Labo bayanuka!

[@mandlenkosishabalala8890]

You have already done so . What have you stood to gain?

[@EliasVusi]

It's true anc must fall

[@willkrummeck]

Ja it is dissapointing what they doing same thing as the env laws flip floping but its the same thing as 1986

[@antonmuller1870]

We really need to resolve this issue ... the focus must be on ... (1) unused or abandoned land, (2) land (historically) obtained through dubious means and (3) land where there is a high need for social infrastructure like schools, hospitals, homes. Of course, this is regardless of the current owner, including government land and Ingonyama trust land. For example, Ingonyama trust owns almost 30% of all land in KZN. And government owns 14% of all land in the country. I don't think there is a desire for this bill to impact ANY land currently being farmed for commercial purposes or for this bill to negatively impact food security in the country. Read the details of the bill or act ... don't just jump to conclusions because it's a topic you don't like.

[@liveinwisdom3610]

Lol.. it would be nice for them to claim abandoned builds in JHB, but this bill, will probably be a disaster like every other ANC disaster. Public interest is a vague term, what are the criteria for public interest?

[@ZizweMthombeni]

That is a good point on abandoned buildings, that would be a good place to start exercising that Act's power before moving into bigger properties like farms. The ANC has historically had good policies, it has always the implementation that has always been the problem, with corruption and administration being high among others.

[@TandisizweBidli]

I agree with you

[@HD_Hates]

whenever they seize buildings and houses, they will use the " for public interest " excuse. example: in order to really screw with house owners, they will just take random people from squatter camps and homeless people and place them in what was once your house and claim they are solving homeless crisis by placing these people inside what was once your house. they did this in communists' hellholes like Cuba.

[@christophersemenya9890]

The legal mind has articulated well. Disappointed 😞☹️ that anc is running us around

[@topsykretts4404]

Not at all. He is expressing concerns and highlights that more needs to be done. It will but anc needs to be methodical

[@topsykretts4404]

Remember, ncukaithobi discusses these with Cyril. He's fighting Cyril's phala phala case. The rest of the politicians may be greedy but Cyril understands how to maneuver

[@christophersemenya9890]

Thanks 💯 buddy

[@PatrickFarao]

Thanks adv now we understand the bill much better

[@pearcekanyoka2453]

Zanu PF strategy when they were losing power they fast track in repossessing land 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@PumlaNzima]

Anisiyeke ngezim plz amagwala lawo​@@pearcekanyoka2453

[@HeroldMatsi]

It's actually the law

[@danielmasilorakgoale9161]

Vote EFF to faster the process

[@NgolaNalane]

It's an Act. Not a bill

[@trevor3131]

A Masterclass.

[@Anti_Capitalisms]

Absolutely. He's in a class of his own.

[@M1ke22]

Ngcukaitobi advocating for Zimbabwe 2.0, but in a dressed up and academic tone which makes it sound innocent and inconseqential. The end result will be exactly the same. We have a land claims process for a reason. Abandoning it and resorting to legalized theft by the state won't fix the issue, but simply make everything worse.

[@mfuneka]

What a guy, we need to get to this level of debate and clarity if we are to improve the property relations in this country

[@malcolmmarx5830]

Thanks for enlightening us Advocate 🤔

[@livingafricanparty]

The primary concern, Xoli, is that the current ANC government is led by individuals whose actions suggest dishonesty and corruption. Trusting them with such a significant decision could seriously compromise the integrity of our democracy. This approach echoes the oppressive measures of apartheid. Perhaps we should start by applying these principles to the president's residence in the suburbs before considering implementing the bill more broadly.

[@4mileseast478]

🤣🤣🤣Exactly my brother. Let him set the example and expropriate his mansions lying on vast grounds before he can come to our houses

[@MzamoAdoons-d6n]

But the ANC has always been dishonest😂😂😂

[@PJ19596]

This . 💯

[@Ash_Hole-f7p]

​@@MzamoAdoons-d6n yeah, from the 90s

[@ZizweMthombeni]

This is not about residential property; this is about Land-unused Land, expensive land-for farming activities, mining activities, tourism, etc.

[@JakesJama]

The SC Ngcukay'thobi is 100% correct in explaining and analyzing this Act - I am convinced that the ANC will NEVER pass a Law/Act that will adress land reform in a meaningful way in our country as long Cyril Ramaphosa is their President -- NEVER ! Thanks SC Ngcukay'thobi for an informative and empowering analysis.😂

[@jennychurchill2716]

There is not an Anc cadre who has the sense to deal with the land question

[@khathurandela737]

This stupid he is the only President to include zero compensation into law for properties that are no productive. What did Zuma???

[@kidvdm4258]

Disaster is looming. People who have land bonded will just stop paying their bonds and banks will collapse... simple economics! Zimbabwe 2.0

[@DonGroovieMavuthela]

Lol

[@Nongwadla]

Go study again!!

[@pearcekanyoka2453]

Zanu PF strategy when they were losing power they fast track in repossessing land 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@shaunmahlangu1673]

Lol someone doesn't know what they're talking about.

[@otis3744]

youre assuming that the government will not strike a deal with the banks to inherit the bond to the new owner

[@kamogelomashego152]

Well articulated, Adv. 👏👏

[@nicjordan7300]

If you bonded your property to the max and bought bitcoin like I've advocated for the past 10 years you'd be very well off today. If I had land that might be of risk that is exactly what I would do today. Dont sell the land just borrow to the max and buy assets no one can confiscate nor inflate.

[@dienar3717]

International companies are fleeing, more unemployment on the horizon.

[@nhloniphoingqwele5433]

😅😂

[@PumlaNzima]

We were fooled by investors coming to resolve unemployment or economy but worst has happened witg these usrless investors enriching Europeans

[@PumlaNzima]

Investors must leave, are useless to us

[@Thubelihle0815]

Let them leave.

[@dienar3717]

The Chinese will backfill the gap, expect a new way of doing. It might be different, very different. Ask the other parts of Africa where they bring their own people, own equipment, extracting resources at zero profit margin.

[@PumlaNzima]

Ramaphosa always signs bill that are vague

[@Kingdom3in1]

He is a puppet, nothing else

[@christopherbuckley619]

@@Kingdom3in1 He signs bus tickets on a regular basis. Please appoint someone who understands what he is signing

[@eugenealberts9318]

I don't agree with all of his opinions but, the man is impressive and I'd hate to have to defend my viewpoints against him.

[@pamelakumalo2659]

You don't have to

[@rockpoppets6182]

Farms that have been handled have ended up being unproductive.

[@Muzhou_Daniel]

Put land in productive use! The political objective in the implementation of the act should be distributing power to the majority of South african civilians whom the public interest is concentrated to allow productivity for the overall economy. That's the purpose of the act! The segregation of white people and political activists whom are refusing to decolonize their mind against the black power should be canceled!! We need no such mindset , for we have been here even before whites came and we were booming in agricultural sectors before colonization. The industry has become very much simple now for we are systematically business open minded now and ready to take over with our ancestors DNA knowledge to the greater excellence of Africa!!! Black Excellence Empowerment Movement

[@caesar3909]

Always liked his surname "Ngcukaitobi". Distinctive & rare, I think he once mentioned he's of "Khoisan" descent.

[@emmanuelserepudi3406]

let Mbeki prove with statistics...he is from the failed ANC as well

[@marysinclair3759]

Who determines when land is abandoned??? I could be away from y home for six months, is my home abandoned.? What is public interest.? Vague.

[@joymofokeng5440]

How about 6years or 16years

[@Brians_view]

​@@joymofokeng5440the man said 6 months can't you read.

[@marysinclair3759]

@joymofokeng5440 point is, the land does not belong to the state. The state did not buy it. I could rent out my home, is is abandoned? The answer is simply no. If I inherit a home in South Africa and do not wish to sell it but wish to keep to sell years later when the house is worth more, is it abandened - the answer is simply no. I buy a plot and keep it for ten years - is it abandoned? - NO. It was not bought by the state nor does the state own the title deeds. Therefore the state cannot STEAL it. The banks own tons of properties. Does it belong to the state - NO.!!!!!

[@alfredphamotse1316]

@@marysinclair3759 people over seas who inherited and now own land they have never seen or set foot on...

[@seanprinsen7265]

​@@alfredphamotse1316 yes. And? You want to normalise and legalise theft when it's targeting whites and the rich but in the future when it's turned against you, what you going to say then?

[@AlbertLEASA]

They usually build taverns instead of producing food give land for those Africans serious to produce food

[@pheanemahasha5659]

Lol am a farmer young black African I need a land to farm land has been taken away from our forefather are our history we were farmers before white came to colonize us we Had cows but took it away from use time has come to give back wat not yours

[@MarbleRamatji]

Well said Adv 🎉

[@shaunmannion8247]

Grab your popcorn, we are about to witness a massive disaster! I wonder who will be blamed for the mess that occurs.

[@jgvp5787]

Why dont the people buy land like all of South Africans have to. White South Africans have to buy land buy houses. Why cant all South Africans buy land. If you want land buy land. Otherwise give land to all. Pay back all people who had to buy land.

[@Ash_Hole-f7p]

I was in Zimbabwe when the land grabs took place. Farms were set alight, crops, tractors were destroyed. Blood was shed. Becareful what you wish for

[@PumlaNzima]

Cowards

[@PumlaNzima]

Always excuses instead of facimg the challanges

[@PumlaNzima]

The leaders are the pronlem chasinh them them following them here it's a disgrace

[@PumlaNzima]

Cheap labour to the foreogn country

[@PumlaNzima]

Ashamed to be Zimbis

[@bernardkodise6083]

Mbeki is right and rong. Right in the sense that ppl who possess agricultural skills and experiences like me apply for farms but do not get and only given to ppl who don't hv passion and skill

[@CaptainGeneral11]

Mbeki's remarks were massively misrepresented

[@Kingdom3in1]

True

[@PieterCoetzee-zl7ms]

Tembeka is GREAT

[@kathrynlenz8368]

No mention of the land the state currently owns. Who holds the title to land in Ciskei and Transkei. We drive 15 kms to town, there is a small game farm and little else. There is also no surface water

[@laura-jovanniekerk1783]

So why is the advocate not providing examples of land that has been developed after given to people?

[@PumlaNzima]

Settlers came as visitors n took everything now shall be returned

[@garethmark6544]

@@PumlaNzima to the khoi and san?

[@rockpoppets6182]

@@PumlaNzimanonsense

[@MthunziZweni]

G​@@garethmark6544ooh yes the land would be returned to the original owners ie.black tribes,thousands as well

[@MthunziZweni]

​@@rockpoppets6182nonsense is what inside your trousers pocket my friend.

[@mortal2immrotal]

Very interesting jn respect of land reform. I have always held the view that the ruling elite is just too weak in terms of political will to conduct rigorous land redistribution. Well said Adv T Ngcukaitobi.

[@rachaeladdison1003]

Please let us know when are we going to get compensation on the lands that we sold to the government.?

[@pieterfourie311]

The SC is an eminent lawyer and writer. Farming is a different discipline though, so is subsistence and commercial farming different. To make an off the cuff remark that seemingly unused land, is underutilized (seen when speeding pass on the highway) is not reliable evidence. (Land require rest to grow feeding and be prepared for planting etc.). Spend some time on a working (commercial) farm to gain a better understanding of farming; it is a complex profession. Let us not underestimate the danger of food shortage, the growing urban population may not care if the food bought of a supermarket shelve is grown by white or black hands. In my humble opinion we should rise above emotion and approach this issue with the required introspection. The Landbank supported white farmers over decades, some made it, some didn't. Let us learn from the lessons of the past, support emerging farmers of all backgrounds in a sensible manner. We have great opportunities requiring innovation.

[@ematolweni7512]

Land Redistribution cannot and should have not been negotiated with colonisers.

[@hlumelomgudlwa603]

But Xolie is misrepresenting TM. He did not stop with that statement. He went on to say yena wears suits and is not interested in farming, but there are people who are and land should be given to those. A nice conversation to have as a country. Informative indeed.

[@kyslasher6830]

I'll never understand why people are so concerned about fixing the past instead of building a brighter future. You guys act like getting land will fix all your problems.

[@qinisodlamini9222]

That's cause it's not just our land that was taken including our dignity,

[@mbalenhlembina373]

Must be nice to talk from a place of privilege. I dare you to spend a day in Alexander, live in a confined shack yard, sharing a one room with more than 6 people, no private facility to bath, sharing sanitation facilities with an opposite gender and let us see if you would still have the same perspective. I bet most privilege persons won't last a week in such conditions because you won't have your own room to go to, to vent out your frustrations yet y'all have a nerve to downtalk people who speak out for their justice. Just because it was in the past it doesn't mean the after effects died with the past. The after effects of apartheid and land dispossession are still very much alive in many black communities today and they are as violent as any other social ills to those who are on their receiving end.

[@marysinclair3759]

Why are they not saying anything about title deeds? We give you the land but we own it.

[@hardus03]

Precisely!! Why does govt withold the deeds to the expropriated land already acquired? With such a track record, would you trust govt to do an effetient job with this new act? And would it actually benefit the people or only the select few on the the top again?

[@Tman501]

We give you land to use it, if not we take it we give it to someone who'll use it.

[@marysinclair3759]

@@Tman501 what absolute bs! It doesn't Belong to anybody but the person who has the title deeds. That is the point. Public interest is a bs excuse for manipulating your opponents into not going against you.

[@PumlaNzima]

​@@marysinclair3759the focus is on 1652 gang😂

[@PumlaNzima]

​@@marysinclair3759They took the land, live stock, resources , perished our ancestor, slaves them to build this country.

[@botumilepine4981]

I am totally surprised to learn that the Advocate is not aware of this act because this is a legal document which need the attention of those who understand the law. The biggest mistake is the Government which sees everything in a political way that is why we are now in a mess.😢 0:19

[@kevinschaafsma9711]

The ANC no longer has the political capital to pass land redistribution legislation. It simply can't fulfill its mandate of 2021.

[@pearcekanyoka2453]

Zanu PF strategy when they were losing power they fast track in repossessing land 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@petert4227]

Property needs to be defined as land. Private property means anything, like your pension, business or land. Let's start by seizing all property stollen by the ANC Cadres from the proceeds of corruption. Without checks and balances there will be abuse. Free State dairy project is casing point where the state gave it to Guptas who stroyed the business and jobs. Why not fix this bill by letting it go to the constitution court.

[@PumlaNzima]

1652 took 87%

[@PumlaNzima]

They arrived as visitors n took everything in 1652

[@PumlaNzima]

Let's start from jan van riebeeck

[@petert4227]

​@@PumlaNzima looking at history before Jan Van Riebeeck there many tribes in SA. It can be said the Zulu tribe trekked down from north of SA conquering other tribes along the way to KZN although not the WC which was in inhabited by the Strandlooper and Kooi who were hunter gatherers. Dutch were also colonizers like the Zulu and later the British. Great battles were fought where ultimately the Zulu and Boer were defeated. SA became true Republican in 1994 when free and fare elections were held and a constitution was created to protect all its citizens. The ANC puts itself above the people of SA and becoming like the National Party to impose absolute control of the economy. Here we are today with destroyed the economy, infrastructure like electricity, water, surage, Post Office, harbors, roads, corruption, kleptocracy, kakocracy and NO JOBS and poverty.

[@jennychurchill2716]

💯

[@rekkabcleaningandlaundroma3580]

You can't give a poor person land, because it's an issue that needs a lot money, skills, competence a will and confidence towards growing the economy.

[@sbunkambule111]

You are mad. Land thieves came here with nothing.

[@NtokozoKaMalinga]

"you cant give a poor person his/her land BACK, land obtained without negotiation or compensation, at times more often THROUGH BLOODSHED, humiliation, engineered poverty. land fertilised by rightful owner's corpse, watered by generational sweat and tears from beings that once were neighbours or siblings turned slaves" - is a narrow way of exploring this sensitive subject. we are not asking our fellow european, netherlands or britain settlers for due compensation worth 200+ years of gruesome crimes committed against humanity as history proves it, neither are we asking them to go back to their place of origin, we are merely trying to get back LOOTED LAND AND RESOURCES in a peaceful, dignified, civilised way to avoid using the method they used to get the lands and resources currently found red handed in their possession. if i chased you out of your property now, while you had legall documents and witnesses proving the property is yours then told you " giving you back your property is an issue that needs a lot money, skills, competence a will and confidence towards growing the economy" - i would be instigating war

[@mpholefty6325]

Nonsense

[@ematolweni7512]

When these white dutch people took our land by violence and theft they were poor(but well armed) and didn't have money.

[@hanneliekosidis6523]

When can the advocate inform the nation that the more children you have the less luxuries you can afford. Nothing is enough for this victim mentality.

[@sharonjames2041]

😢Excellent Discussion 🤔

[@MobinBrown]

What about the land unlawfully acquired by conquest, violence by the Nguni tribes? For example the land taken from the San by the Xhosa.

[@zamoblacktiger]

Thats our african problem we can address with the San not with you as a European who is not calling himself South African when its suit you.

[@MobinBrown]

@zamoblacktiger no, that is just an excuse to steal. You people are hypocrites.

[@attwellmungwadzi814]

Land ownership currently does not reflect the demographics of the country. How much land is owned by the San, or the Xhosa, in comparison to land owned by whites and acquired through violent conquest?

[@kyslasher6830]

@@attwellmungwadzi814 Then what do we do, take all the land and property owned by every white person? Let's say we do; how do we determine who gets what? As the first person said Some tribes took land from each other before any European did so how far back must we look at?

[@guillaumecabano33]

Where is your evidence of this Nguni land theft? Besides, you ought to know that our constituion only provides for the reform of land 'expropriated' stolen under the Native Lands Act of 1914 & thereafter. Further, who said Saan people don't stand to receive expropriated land, too?

[@nomasontogumede2667]

We live ve you very much Tembeka!!

[@kgomotsomfisa7038]

The ANC is just taking chances. If they're serious about the land, they must amend section 25 of the constitution of the Republic of South Africa.

[@Ash_Hole-f7p]

No need. They just fooling you oaks again

[@mandlenkosishabalala8890]

The State in its land reform programme, has in fact jumped the gun by living the the restitution incomplete. In my area Roosboon in KZN, Act 119 of 1993 was initially applied to return land to people who were dispossessed thereof. To date many people who claimed land as per Act 119 of 1993.. have not have their pieces of land restored. My view is that the State should complete restitution and subsequently deal with land redistribution and tenure.

[@bernardkodise6083]

Let them check out Botswana and Bophuthatswana on how they supported previous farmers

[@valentineisraelshabangu4069]

Why can’t Sadc countries follow the example of Botswana

[@davidfield533]

Destruction in Gasa ?? What about the chaos here at home ?

[@adelevisser8579]

How stupid why would investors come in if they cant own anything just give money? ...so stupid !!

[@wilsonnyikochauke66]

Why people are going to dubia or any Arab land yet they don't owe any land

[@mokonehlokisi9945]

You are talking about western capitalist not all the investors... BRICS investors will come and invest anyway...

[@MobinBrown]

@@mokonehlokisi9945 Why would China invest in something it cant own safely? Why would Russia invest in something it cant own safely?

[@simonlevy2154]

It will all end in tears.

[@guillaumecabano33]

@MobinBrown You clearly haven't been paying attention to the PRC's Belt & Road Initiative...

[@BrianWilliams03]

The Adv came and explained the legalities of the nonsensical Act.... though politically, sec25 must be amended because that's what racists always use to derail the land reform and the courts uses that to agree with them🤞💯 People must learn to know the difference between legal matters and political matters, of which sometimes do go hand in hand.

[@BanditZA]

This one’s brother is key ANC cadre in the Eastern Cape

[@TladiMartha]

The time is now. It shall happen. My family has been taken from pillar to post. Officials are also Culprits. Amen 🙌

[@cyclenatic9506]

So how do they decide who gets which land? To address this problem fairly? Or do we split the 90 million hectares privately owned land equally between the 65 million people (that we are aware of) and give everyone 1.3 hectares scattered all over the entire country?

[@G_MAN_325]

Lemme tell you one thing what will happen guaranteed. Give land to the landless and they will sell it! It's simple, landless people are poor. Give them jobs, create jobs, better education, foreign investment to create more jobs, abolish BEE etc. They can eventually get promoted and buy and own their own property/land.

[@Ash_Hole-f7p]

They lazy and don't want to work. They only screaming land

[@zamopower2970]

I totally concur with you chief people want jobs ,period.

[@letlhogonoloaulstonmorwakg7379]

Nonsense

[@rockpoppets6182]

What has been going on in the last 30 years, anc own 117 million hectares why has this not been expropriated?

[@sharoncloud7836]

What about food production ??

[@jennychurchill2716]

They dont think about that. Tomorrow does not exist in the mind of too many people in 😊this country

[@Dalf80s]

​@@jennychurchill2716correct

[@krugerinternational9424]

Blacks don't think that far ahead. Let me tell you, this will fail horribly. Read the comments on here, THEY ARE TAREGTING WHITES (Its hate crime and jealousy)

[@sugengovender8083]

Don't worry we'll just buy it from pick & pay or checkers, because everything falls from the sky😂

[@izakfouche-z9p]

Unfortunately knowing the black man, he does not want empty land and develop. He wants the land with improvements from someone else's hard labour and then he will sell it on for his own profit. That is the expectation that the ANC is creating! 30% ters don't understand your convoluted explanations!

[@TebogoMashamaite-q3b]

I'm delighted that someone with an unimpeachable integrity has provided clarity to the lack of clarity attending to the so-called reformative legislation. However, if my memory hasn't betrayed me, I believe the SC's ideal route to achieve land justice is through legislative measures, and if that's indeed his position, that's where he and I diverge, for in my estimation, the only route is through constitutional amendment, which doubly constitutes a substratum which veils the state against judicial siege and enables legislative flexibility.

[@MzamoAdoons-d6n]

@@TebogoMashamaite-q3b The Constitution did not prevent the ANC to treat black people with dignity and to transform the country, they were just busy looting and now they want to black the Constitution for their mess

[@TebogoMashamaite-q3b]

@MzamoAdoons-d6n section 25 is the biggest impediment in the quest for land reform, read it, and you understand that no matter how you approach it, it will inhibit you, it was crafted that way for exactly this reason of locking land(property) in the hands of private owners.

[@MzamoAdoons-d6n]

@@TebogoMashamaite-q3b Children in black residential areas are drawing in sewerages and pit latrines everyday and you don't need to amend section 25 of the Constitution in order to stop this glaring disrespect of black lives. I agree with you that if section 25 must be amended then so be it. However, I just don't see how is this going to help us whilst having a careless, incompetent and corrupt government like the one of the ANC. Imagine a local council dominated by secondary schools dropouts being placed in a position to decide on whose property to expropriated . . . there will be chaos allover🤞🤞🤞

[@MzamoAdoons-d6n]

@@TebogoMashamaite-q3b Otherwise thanks my brother, I really enjoyed reading your intelligent comment. God bless and protect you and your family🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@josimkandla6920]

for food production, security, sent youth to learn agriculture thoroughly, and distribute some of the land to them. dont just give land for corrupt people, they will sell it, it must be comecialised

[@lwandomasethi8485]

Clear articulation by Advocate

[@gantchogantchev9385]

the few that will benefit are the people with collaterals like now days present politicians can borrow money and buy or rather rent the land from the new owners who dont have neither money or collaterals to get bank loans; that is done now, in my opinion to enable future dismantling of bEEE which is a thorn in the yes of the people

[@TshedisoMacDonald]

I think it's a strategic move from President Ramatamela

[@bennieyoutuobe]

Go to ZImbabwe or Zambia and see where this land exproptiation nonsense ends up and Adv as for stimulation of economic growth look at the manner in which those economies tank because of this rubbish idea

[@michaelnuttall9249]

I'll learn the recipe for those mud cookies your people enjoy so much.

[@ramasodimalete2699]

NO one articulates the Socio-Legal landscape relating to land in SA better than the Advocate. We are truly blessed to have him!

[@kokoelias9695]

Our one and only

[@cherylpenn4509]

Some land has to lie fallow for a time to rest it!!!!

[@pamelakumalo2659]

My President ❤❤

[@zamopower2970]

But us as ordinary people will benefit nothing from this EXPROPRIATION ACT, that's what I'm worried about.

[@richardmccauley9081]

A lot of words said to describe stealing as the state feels fit. Ok now the state takes land and redistribute it. From what I have seen from state run entities, hospitals. Corrupts tender allocations. I have 0% trust in that this will be handles well. And say the owner that paid for the land comes and removes the people that allocated without buying or negotiating. What a civil unrest that will bring. Some form of ownership paper trail must be maid because that owner/pre owner by the state can protect his property from illegal occupier's. This will be the worst unrest no matter the authority. People when upset enough can overthrow a state, I'm not very keen on the unrest that awaits

[@algorsmith8381]

so , the government decides to build a school, and me that payed a bond for 20 years must now be homeless, youll have to take me out permanently first

[@BlackMan437]

you get compensation so that the land can be used for greater good. you go settle somewhere else funded by the state. sounds fair

[@algorsmith8381]

@@BlackMan437 0 rands in compensation?

[@K-xk8od]

The Expropriation Bill, as signed into law by President Ramaphosa, allows for the expropriation of land without compensation in certain circumstances, including: 1. *Land owned by the state*: This includes land held by national, provincial, or local governments. 2. *Unused or underutilized land*: This refers to land that is not being used for its intended purpose or is lying idle. 3. *Abandoned land*: Land that has been abandoned by its owner. 4. *Land held for speculative purposes*: Land held by individuals or companies with no intention of using it for productive purposes. However, it's essential to note that: - The bill does not provide for the expropriation of land owned by private individuals or companies without compensation, except in the circumstances mentioned above. - The bill requires that expropriation be done in a way that is fair, equitable, and transparent, with due regard for the rights of all parties involved. The bill aims to address the historical injustices of land dispossession and promote equitable land distribution, while also ensuring that property rights are respected and the economy is not disrupted.

[@LifeStyle-b9o]

PROVIDED FUND must be paid to you when you leave the company NOT when you are 65yrs old. That is is very wrong and totally unacceptable. Some people don't reach that age. It is your right to claim your monies whrn you leave the company. You can't make people wait up until they are old and incapable to use money wisely. Give people their monies when they leave companies.

[@Demru_1]

🏡🏠⚖️⚖️🏡🏠 The only challenge for me, can you trust the ANC? The USA Trump/Musk country is different problems to the RSA, no 1 US majority is white, If people can no longer be homeless irrespective of creed, race, economy, age and language, I am happy with the act. It is the banks that repossess a home which will have to go to court everyday, what was a mortgage bond for over 20yrs. If the 19th year one is in default, the state must protect and prevent the banks irrespective of where the home is located (in an estate etc). Then unproductive land space all over the country must be expropriated. The owner is 475km or 187sq mil and is contributing to the economy of this country, excuse it. For someone who is given land and in turn decides to sell it, there needs to be a process that in future does not affect the direction of nation building. If you sell to a South African with TS &C's no need for another Orania or anyone somewhere creating their own Orania unless it's on a lease

[@SiphodesmondMnisi]

This land issue is simple redistribute the land to the right owners,,,then government provide what we call post settlement support that people will need to make use of land given to them Mr mbeki is not right on his views and opinions about this issue🙌♥️💯

[@danielmasilorakgoale9161]

Sure Advocate..

[@AnthonyWhites]

When the land was taken from us =0 compensation. Why would we be now be subject to pay market related fees for the return of our land. I see my great ancestors land and it is beautiful let take it.

[@mikestone8461]

nothing was ever taken from you or your family.....they never even owned the land.....some king in a mud hut owned everything even you.

[@alanhean6504]

Another thing the Anc will fail at

[@gerhardduplessis7276]

Since land claims started al the claimed land stand emty the world is waiting for this

[@gonzallo]

Land should be expropriated for the benefit of the public.

[@AwkwardLeon69420]

No, it has to be scrapped completely

[@vssprc]

His stand against Israel is pathetic! We need the Gazans to stop their hatred of Jews.

[@ChadESTERHUIZEN-j6d]

this government is ruined by this government how can you just claim land that's not yours you doing what the Dutch did to our Khoi people this is another historic injustice..

[@PeaceAllen-p7i]

The journalist is becoming something

[@mlubinda1620]

I am happy that the ANC has failed dismally in moving the land back to black hands. We were not prepared and the lack of real support from government would have rendered the land useless and as a result sold back to white hands. Now BRICS is here, the balance of global power is moving to the global South and so serious and swift land transfer will not come to mean economic subotage by the West.

[@kyslasher6830]

Just Asking, why would any of the BRICS member invest in our country if the government could take it away from them?

[@lidlamini7476]

Meaning they've deceived us believe it's ours

[@rockpoppets6182]

Why are these guys getting involved in Israel/Palestinian problems when we have huge problems here that needs to be sorted here 😢

[@vssprc]

Most of what he says is sensible, BUT… the Union of South Africa did not come about to ‘exclude black people’. That is simply inaccurate. The Union came about DESPITE what black South Africans may or may not have desired or felt. (A foolish move) Then… ‘land lying fallow’ is not a reason to expropriate it. Agricultural activity REQUIRES fallow land. If you don’t know about that, don’t talk about it… I think his interpretation of ‘just and equitable compensation’ is GOOD (except the idea of ‘nil compensation’). The problem with our land reform has been the lack of commitment our ANC government has had towards it. Not the constitution. There is no need for this new Act, it is merely political theater.

[@nathantsakos3603]

But what if i bought a house with a bond?? Can they take it without paying? And what happens if the bank is still owed money?

[@titusngwenya4825]

Listen to understand before you post none sensical question .

[@CPPTA]

Every RDP house in SA, can apply for a free Title Deed if the property has not been sold within 8yrs. All for free, no transfer bond registration lawyers fees

[@Kingdom3in1]

Land is NOBODY'S, but those who PAID FOR IT AND WORKED ON IT!!!!

[@itanetherevivalistrevivali8419]

Are you mad?. Is Europe no man's land!?

[@ChadESTERHUIZEN-j6d]

And you guys that native this native that you are not even natives to Cape town we Khoi people should get our land back

[@katenkosi1389]

They are missing the point and Thembeka is clear what he's saying

[@NOMENDANA1]

Does it even make sense to say that someone is given land through expropriation and the person then sells the land to a buyer and the buyer pays hard currency. Because the money is paid to a black man, that now is a problem? Well...Mbeki is not here to comment.