NHI Bill | Getting everyone onto universal health coverage will improve the service: HAITU

While other professional organisations such as the South Africa Medical Association and Hospital Association of South Africa have expressed their disagreement with the passing of the National Health Insurance Bill, the Health and Allied Workers Indaba Trade Union says it welcomes the signing of the NHI Bill.
The organisation says South Africa spends 41.8% of total health expenditures on only 17% of the population on private voluntary health insurance, who are mostly high-income citizens who can afford to purchase private insurance.
HAITU says this is more than any Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development country.
The health workers' organisation is also calling for the state to totally ban private healthcare in SA.
HAITU General Secretary Lerato Mthunzi joins us virtually to discuss this.
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[@TheLocalChurchExperience]

These people are naive. If you bring the entire sector to the control of the governing party, you collapse the entire sector. Plus the lady says she uses the public health sector because she is a health care worker. She gets better care than others still because she is taken care of by her colleagues

[@Tinker8531]

Get real, the only people affected by the NHI is the ones on private health care which is the minority. The majority is already on state health care. People are no so naïve to believe that they will be affected worse. It by time the minority is honest about who are the ones who stand to lose.

[@debbieisaacs9033]

FULLY AGREE WITH THAT ONE. PRIVATE HEALTHCARE SHOULD FIGHT THIS STUPIDITY.

[@MrUmxhosa]

As someone who is very receptive to arguments for NHI I found this particular argument to be very flawed. Assuming that merely forcing the better off in society to use public health care will magically make it better flies in the face of recent experience. For instance, we are all customers of Eskom, that hasn’t spared us from loadshedding. Even our biggest corporates don’t get a functioning freight and port system, never mind the destruction of passenger rail.

[@sphemakh]

The NHI bill will not get rid off private health care, it will give everyone access to both private and public health care through a universal medical insurance scheme.

[@fabianpetersen2452]

Yeah right

[@MrUmxhosa]

@@sphemakh I understand that. The guest in the interview is arguing that that shouldn’t be the case. She is saying NHI doesn’t go far enough. She believes the bill should abolish private healthcare because that will force the state to provide better healthcare for the citizens who currently cannot afford private healthcare and insurance. This is is the logic I am disagreeing with.

[@materenemolaoa1752]

“Ban private health care to South Africans” did you hear that?

[@user-xy2vv3ut3w]

I am a registered nurse, worked in both private and goverment hospital, having a Bcom and MDP degree. Private hospitals at the moment are empty. The masses have been pushed in inhumane hospitals. In private you nurse 6 patients with claims huge to both Drs and the private hospitals. Goverment nurses are given 200 pts a day. Service delivery is paramount if this NHI need to see the light of day.

[@thabomoilwa6077]

Fix the public health sector so that you may implement flawless NHI, that will be a better approach.

[@tman2431]

Do you understand what NHI stands For?

[@pietervorster5690]

Yes, stealing from the middle and upper class to subsidise the poor.

[@leonhue722]

​@@tman2431 Explain what the NHI is ?

[@tman2431]

​@leonhue722 National Healthcare insurance..This insurance will allow everyone to enter to any hospital with or without insurance

[@leonhue722]

@tman2431 and therein lies a greater problem as private hospitals and doctors in private practice won't be able to cope with the additional workload from citizens and non citizens and more importantly, not be timeously paid for the exceedingly high standard of services these professionals render. Note ... the ANC administration can hardly manage basic small municipalities etc so they have no chance of managing a 1st world health care scheme. SADLY ... the developed nations with all their wealth are struggling to maintain their national health schemes so South Africa, being governed by a corrupt 3rd world inept government has zero chance of succeeding with the NHI. More tragic is that they lack the intellect to fully understand all of this.

[@HeleenHenstock]

Nobody can go to Steve Biko Hospital without a reference from a clinic or Tshwane District hospital, where you are subject to abuse from the medical staff and sit in a queue for at least 5 hours

[@thamirakgalakana9766]

I think also better management of state funds and state facilities can drastically improve the healthcare service. NHI is not the magic wand that everyone is selling

[@fabianpetersen2452]

There's no corruption in a functional hospital. The goverment creates chaos and dysfunctional entities to get tenders to repair them and steel the funds. But you right, a state hospital is more than capable to prevent this. In fact if the hospitals are better run many people will move from private to state as it used to be

[@mogamatyusufmartin9171]

True bru this too 💯✅

[@angelodoubel9653]

All the minsters and parliamentarians kids must also attend public school instead of private schools.

[@davidopsina3871]

Public schools are for the stupid masses, not the ruling elite who are better than than them.

[@joannepringle149]

Our government hospitals were at the standard of private hospitals 30 years ago. The ANC has destroyed it, now they want to destroy the private healthcare system too 🥵

[@fabianpetersen2452]

correct, all the medical aids were born out of incompetence of the ANC. Knowing our cleva blacks they will say it was only for whites, we know the drill already. So even if that was the case why did they not build more hospitals to match the health care services that was provided by the "apartheid "state owned hospitals? It is the same with everything else also, education is another disaster they created.

[@christinevandermerwe-gl2sm]

Just not possible with so few tax payers in SA.

[@Tinker8531]

You forget the masses are already there, government saves with all those public officials whose medical aid bills they have to cover, that money will be redirected.

[@fabianpetersen2452]

Yip and that number will shrink even further. Also, how many illegals will simply just walk over our border for NHI health care? This is madness and the straw that will break the camels back

[@laurabanks6144]

​@shanaazcloete8531 not the masses. 9 million people are on medical aid. Not all of them are government employers. If the government stop the subsidy of its employers they will then lose the contribution of these members. So it's a win win lose lose situation. Private companies will just stop paying their contributions for their employees. No one will pau for medical again because these contbutions of their employers help them everyone that works contribute which is only almost 55 percent of the 60 million people. Even non medical aid members will contribute. The taxpayers footing the bill again.

[@laurabanks6144]

Private insurances and medical aids will cease to exits. So Leeann is asking the right questions

[@stephanterblanche4597]

We are all in the same boat when it comes to electricity. Complaining and keeping the powers that be accountable has been falling on deaf ears for 16 years. No Lerato , your argument falls flat. No soup for you.

[@johnmorreira1060]

All would agree that South Africa desperately needs a significant improvement in health services. The NHI BILL in it's current form will be a devastating disaster. Don't these people realize that unless the bill is radically ame😮nded there wont be any medical professionals left in this country.

[@carolphillips3182]

Who is going to pay for this? What does the government provide for its citizens that actually functions? Please tell us...

[@tman2431]

GEPF, TRAFFIC DEPARTMENT ,HOME AFFAIRS,MILLITAYRY ETC

[@channelseptember6170]

You are going to for this.

[@mariannevanheerden3447]

What a load of nonsense. This is the next part of capturing and embezzling.

[@777madfoundation3]

Like so many SOE's have been run to the ground, the state of the Public Sector Medical Facilities have been rim to the ground. Those that can afford the Private Sector must continue, with Government focusing on rehabilitating their service delivery in more ways than one

[@cheledirakolote8454]

After running down all 600+ SOEs and agencies, only one remains to be launched and run down. It's called NHI

[@cmichaels9544]

In a lot of the European union, Greece in particular, the public schools are free but the education level is better than the private schools that people pay for. So most people prefer to send their kids to public schools. Here, most people would want private schools because government run schools, AND EVERYTHING ELSE, is a disaster! Like you said, look at roads and electricity, police and water

[@charlerasmus8343]

I hope all SA citizens that can afford it will leave the country to these vultures. Let them then go get the tax from somewhere else to pay for the NHI.

[@danielrevelation184]

That’s what is going to happen. The elite to the top 20% are not going to let their families just perish in those death trap hospitals. The doctors will emigrate, the top tax payers will emigrate and hippo eyes will be back at the IMF begging for money.

[@chrisandro.wagner7599]

Exactly.

[@fabianpetersen2452]

What im trying to say is " it will improve the corrupt politicians bank accounts"

[@jeandutoit1413]

There is no more money to loot from the bankrupt municipalities, road accident fund and Eskom. Better create a new cash cow that can be sucked dry.

[@carlvanrheede3703]

Abolish privately owned cars of everybody travels by taxi so all in the same boat

[@rob1045]

😂 true

[@cheledirakolote8454]

Exactly And generators And Jojo tanks And private security guards

[@Tinker8531]

Car is not essential, you have two feet. Health care is essential.

[@Xintu_Organics]

🤣🤣🤣

[@Xintu_Organics]

🤣🤣🤣

[@MissSlenda]

A disaster it will be. Doctors are already threatening that they'll leave the country if this bill goes through. So with the few doctors that decide to stay will they have to help all the people,and if the government sector service is this poor now people having to wait months to get consultation or for surgery then lots of people will lose they lives. Imagine having to go to a hospital with only 5 doctors and 1000 patients. People will sleep in front of the gates for 3 or more days to see a doctor. I really need more clearity on this Bill, cause theres too many unanswered Questions. I read this morning on IOL that that's if this NHI bill goes through allegedly and will "spell the end of private Healthcare for 9 million medical scheme members." Imagine how many people will lose their jobs etc

[@mariannevanheerden3447]

And many others... Taxpayers will just leave the country

[@laurabanks6144]

@mariannevanheerden3447 even worst, not only taxpayers. In 2023 alone 1300 millionaire taxpayers already emigrated. Do u know how much their contribution is towards the tax, the normal taxpayers are not even paying one percent of what they paying, now imagine they leaving and more is yet to come. Where is the money gona come from if nhi and basic income grant is materialized. Why would any millionaires stay in a country where they can't get the best medical care, even if they decide to stay they will go seek medical care in other countries. The few taxpayers that's left can't foot all these bills, and people can't seem to understand that.

[@channelseptember6170]

Not only doctors. Us nurses as well.

[@AlternativPerspectiv]

I think one question missed was: - You are upset about some people paying for private healthcare. Who's money are they using? - If the money they are using is theirs, and THEY worked for it, and THEY are free to do with their money as THEY like... why does the ANC feel entitled to take that money away? - What rational justification is there for taking a taxpayer's money?

[@jeandutoit1413]

The rationale is the ANC's so-called concern for the people of South Africa. The real reason for the implementation of the NHI bill is to create a new source of income for government officials to loot. Taxation is, has been and always will be, theft.

[@leslenetait4793]

Makes no sense. So those who can afford are going to get punished for the incompetence of the public health care system

[@VeeShenge]

This is a bad idea. The logic of this person is so flawed it is ridiculous. She imagines that the existence of private heath care makes public health care bad, no evidence is provided for this of course. If that were the case that would mean that eskom should be working because Eskom has no competition. her logic does not compute. In fact this logic is such non sense that it is not worth even being mentioned. my advice to South Africans, get out if you can.

[@georgemaredi5771]

Basically socialism?

[@GarthJack-jz7kd]

The elephant in the room is being ignored!!! What works works at a price. What doesn't work can work and will continue to not work

[@kabelodickmuroa540]

This argument is a bit nyaopic, why not fight to fix the public health sector? so forcing people to use a collapsed system will change things? what makes u think politicians wont fix only hospitals they go to and the rest collapse? or just use our resources to go to other country?

[@nates76vh20]

I have two degrees and I work hard for my money and I barely make ends meet with the high cost of living. I work hard to provide for my family and that includes quality healthcare which I pay for. I'm sure this woman don't go to public hospitals or clinics because of the same issues she mentions, so how on earth is she expecting the whole country must go sit in long queues while we are suppose to be at work? This is a democratic country, not communism. We pay tax already to provide healthcare for free to people who don't work! This woman is ignorant!

[@vezivezi6132]

Looooool she cone here claiming to fight for ordinary people and this corrupt to be NHI ,she is married to CEO of corrupt Thembisa hospital 😢😢😢exposed

[@afrikaazanialuti]

Whether discussing security or health care, *you get what you pay for.* Public health care is non-existent because there is no investment in that area & the results speak for themselves, the same can be said for security, I have been a victim of crime & trust me opening a case with the police is only a waste of time, even in the villages of the eastern came, citizens are turning to *private security* to protect their homes & lives.

[@rob1045]

Incorrect, there is investment in public health care, it all goes to the ANC caders

[@fanamlawuli6761]

Uyadakwa wena, thina esingena mali senzenjani, sife?

[@afrikaazanialuti]

@@fanamlawuli6761 Start local. Inkosi aziko? Counselors? Health MEC's why don't you start there?

[@fanamlawuli6761]

@@afrikaazanialuti ukwenzana kanjani loko ugula?

[@afrikaazanialuti]

​@@rob1045 Insufficient, unlike the private sector, the government caters to all South Africans, even if you don't contribute to any scheme. This means resources are stretched in addition to being mismanaged & cannot match those offered In the private sector. You are correct that irresponsible economic & healthcare management is part of the problem in addition to the % of citizens served.

[@rockymphahlele]

As someone who needed cosmetic surgery at the beginning of the year, while NHI does not cover it. What is the use? Plus NHI is not free, the working class will have their taxes increased and if tax is on a pay-as-you-earn then why can't people choose the health option they can afford?

[@AIRview2]

A point that is completely ignored! The money will be looted and the whole system will collapse. Trust me😊

[@clydestraus5526]

Just like eskom

[@siyabongamvelase6437]

This one is delusional.

[@channelseptember6170]

Beyond delusional her corrupt husband made her that way. Crazy.

[@ValoshniKumar-uf3ci]

I wish this bill does not get passed this is a disaster. The public sector belongs to foreigners, South Africans are suffering because our public hospitals are overcrowded because of these foreigners.

[@mariannevanheerden3447]

She is the wife of notorious TEMBISA CEO

[@angelodoubel9653]

Her husband was responsible for R1 billion wasteful expenditure @ Tambisa hospital

[@tman2431]

​@@angelodoubel9653that's not true...No one person can misuse R1 Billion. I'm an accountant by profession..I'm not saying he did not misuse or still money,but not a Billion 😂😂😂 Be careful of what media is feeding your minds

[@idaroman5852]

😢😢😢

[@sibow]

Higher ups/Influential Government employees and should be declined medical aid, but rather be forced by law to use public facilities, schools, hospitals, colleges etc. things will improve then… leave private sector alone, the people on it are happy with paying for it… fix broken things

[@davidopsina3871]

South Africa is a communist country. Private anything must be banned.

[@unaswanepoel7623]

This is not going to work start fixing the mess in goverment hospitals giving better service .If people want a medical aid and they pay for it thats right .This lady is talking nonsens

[@tman2431]

You are missing the point...take time and read NHI and check countries that uses this..I'm sure it will change you Views... NHI means National Heealth Insurance...let's that there.go do research

[@suegrantrealestate]

Neither interviewer nor interviewee had the gravitas to properly unpack the issue

[@tman2431]

True

[@christodebeer3645]

If one is battling for 10 years with Dental problems, and are battling to cut through the 'Red Tape' then this could be a 'miracle' to get proper help and eventually can smile/ laugh with proper Dentures 😮

[@sonjawentzel17]

While a normal hardworking person pays private health, tax money of the same person is used for public health... the problem is not the person paying taxes or private health but the government that is not qualified to manage this economy and every system of SA.

[@friend7897]

I have Hypertension, and for two years, I've been complaining about ONE of my ankles aching and swelling after being on both my feet for long hours. The medical practitioners at my local clinic, keeps changing my medication, because they blame it on the medication. Their primarily goal , it seems, is to keep you out of the state hospitals, in the mean time, I have to suffer while the qualitty of my life is affected.

[@Xintu_Organics]

No it wont!!! Nothing will improve, but instead it will get worse! I do support some of the Government's initiatives but this one here is crap shame....im sorry, complete crap! Leave all the private stuff...private when it comes to healthcare. You have messed up a lot already so please dont mess this one up as well. Here is an idea, how about improving all the public hospitals to the same level as the private ones first, then maybe we can talk, but until then.......Naaaaah!

[@theDonDon1000]

This argument is stupid. If the private health sector users are tear drop. Public health care user is the majority. Why do they not stand up. Why do they not vote for change?

[@m.x.refrigxolani8365]

She's lying, she does have medical aid and she uses private health care whenever she needs medical attention. She just came here politicking.

[@m.x.refrigxolani8365]

She dismally failed to answer simple questions straight. Its sad that everytime when the government fails to run their own, then they always go for private, well-run entity. This government is jealous. She spoke like a politician, how sad.

[@cloudstrife8791]

None of the poor living in rural settlements are gonna gain from NHI. 1 of the changes states that the closest hospitals will he your official. In cape town many from khayalitsha go to tygerberg that will be denied in NHI khaya will be your only hospital except if they dont have the equipment to treat you...

[@Tinker8531]

Those illegals working in White areas can go to the private Hospitals. Stop trying to act like the poor will lose out, its only the minority who will lose. There is plenty shanty towns around the private medical facilities.

[@cloudstrife8791]

why not the illegals actually do their job idm. Yes some would benefit and some who had private will lose. though in the majority of cases rural/shack dwellings will gain nothing. I dont have medical havnt had since st3 so i gain and closes is a newish private hospital but doesnt change reality. NHI is a failure even before it starts

[@88skydiver]

Bring everyone down to a common misery. That's socialism.

[@casperdevries7401]

She advocates for socialism on her fb page.

[@88skydiver]

@@casperdevries7401 😥

[@gillnewman2605]

Really, what happened to freedom of speech and freedom to choose what one wants to pay for if one can afford private care. If our Govt hospitals were actually functioning properly this would not be an issue. Take a look at the NHS in the UK which was one of the best systems in the world is now on a par with our Govt hospitals. Long waiting periods for health care unless you are actually so chronically ill you go on a waiting list.

[@cpolckers5713]

So the roads, energy, and infrastructure is not an example?

[@jacoslabbert5928]

Medical professionals will simply leave the country.

[@user-co8mc8ir3c]

The state run hospitals are pathetic! You have to wait forever to be referred from a medical Dr. to a specialist you do not pay much obviously but they nearly do not have a lot of medication to treat pts properly. This, will not work I think many people have expieenced this and, at the end, of the day the one, that cannot afford treatment and medical aids are the people who really suffer and at the end of the day they still suffer the most. Even though you cannot afford, medical, aid you haveno other choice than having to pay privately which is not fair.

[@isabellemenzies3753]

Absolutely, just look how successfully the government is managing everything else 😂😂😂😂

[@crazyk4548]

Even though I am for NHI, I don't think we have the leadership and the capacity within the state to manage such a complicated system. The government has collapsed almost every functioning component of the state and now they are coming for the private sector. NHI won't work in a collapsing economy. Where will the money come from?. Lerato, you did a bad job in this interview, there is no depth in your argument.

[@CbosEasyRecipes7]

She did half job of her homework. It's one thing to wish things could be on equal footing, but the reality of the matter is, she needs to start by addressing the true problem Corruption, lack of leadership and accountability, etc then all other things will fall into place

[@TheLocalChurchExperience]

The lsst question should have been the first one

[@jeanegerber9775]

Great journalism

[@ericmoonsamy3795]

Yoy let's wait n see as it is look at this country runned to the ground

[@tman2431]

Runned to the ground by saying...let's allow Gogo from tembisa to go to Waterfall clinic?

[@domaths7]

Isn't it your members that provide that "raw deal" service in state hospitals?

[@debbieisaacs9033]

Haitu if you want quality health care then speak to your government they failed the people, messed up big time and now what to go after private sector. Please you don't know what you are talking about. Private care has got nothing to do with anyone, it's a personal choice. That is democracy.

[@wernerziemerink]

How can these anc presenters sit and lie openly like this? They have no shame. This will destroy the already strained healthcare sector.

[@wynanddercksen2679]

New Eskom ....nhi sure this time it will work😂

[@MeriamDemana-ts1wz]

During apartyd government health care was outstanding.

[@CbosEasyRecipes7]

I think Lerato you are addressing the symptoms and not the real problem which Corruption, lack of accountability and true leadership and what you want to do will fall into place easily. It's like putting nice, expensive clothes without bathing or cleaning up and all of a sudden there's a smell

[@georgemaredi5771]

Basically communism?

[@GeraltofRivia22]

Yeah, cause forcing everyone to use Eskom has worker out so well.

[@khanyisodev]

This is a genuine question, how does this help public health care? I've watched this multiple times and I'm still confused

[@WillCollatz]

This women is married to the previous CEO of Tembisa hospital. He participated in maladministration and corruption. And she blames tax payers, calling them, privileged. She's literally married to the problem. Totally delusional.

[@dibusengnkhahle2221]

So now there will be queues in private sectors as nobody will want to go there???... sort out public sectors period!!

[@cliffordgrobler]

Upgrade all goverment hospitals so all can use like long ago, let people with money have med insurance

[@tman2431]

You missing the point...and I don't think you have read the NHI bill..let me help you. It says we should all use the same healcare...it does not say we should all use government health..So In short it means I should have the rights you walk in any hospital be it private or public.

[@annettenel9230]

I agree first fix then we talk again

[@annettenel9230]

I think Tman has also missed the point its not possible 60m people 600 hospitals????

[@amanda3081]

Love u Lean, my african queen❤❤

[@user-nn6iu5nc2u]

Where does she live, in the township or so called suburbs I hope she stays in a township, talking so proudly about using public health facilities And if she has children, then I hope she has her children attending a school in the township and not in a private school or the then model C schools And there's nothing wrong with it, but she talks with such pride

[@tipstaaso413]

Private sector that's badly regulated? Get people who are more informed to interview This lady doesn't even began to touch the main core of how NHI will impact our health sector... government fails everything

[@bobbybooshay5854]

Another pool to be looted at taxpayer expense?

[@debbieisaacs9033]

ANC is wanting to use medical aid as a scapegoat 😊, her husband is the what??😅

[@elizeleroux6388]

keep this health care to yourself stop forcing others

[@MKL_D]

I do agree, it's our fault things are collapsing. We are the ones who voted for corrupt people.

[@asignul2009]

There is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY Letato believes the words that are coming out of her mouth. She knows NHI is impractical for this Country. Noone chooses which roads to drive on. But the roads are in a horrible state. Health Care wont be any different.

[@jackiemonyemoratho4190]

She Married to the CEO of Thembisa hospital 😢.

[@tman2431]

Yes...So? Media has fed you that CEO stole R1billion and the guy Now works for Netcare because Gorvenment suspended him😂😂😂 NO ONE CAN MISUSE R1BILLION AND STILL WALK AROUND AND GETS EMPLOYED BY A PRIVATE COMPANY....be carefully what you consume from media

[@Bongofett_]

This woman... Yes the government is failing. Lets trust them to deliver! This double think is wild

[@hannah50353]

Hey, lady you are on your own on this one, we have had enough of government.

[@cheledirakolote8454]

Private schools?

[@Tinker8531]

That you have to pay for. Model C schools should be free because they government.

[@tman2431]

I can't believe you comparing School and health...Let's us brains 😂😂😂

[@davidopsina3871]

its nonsense to suggest South Africa cannot afford the NHI. The government can simply print more monies and the problem is gone.

[@ltzwane8848]

ANC destroyed Eskom, SAA, Education Prasa ,will this NHI bill miraculously save SA?

[@cheledirakolote8454]

Never

[@Charms0910]

This person should not be allowed in front of any microphone!

[@tman2431]

Yes..because she advocates for the poor to go to Netcare clinic...

[@Charms0910]

Had you listened you would have heard her contradictions. Further the current government have done a superb job in demonstrating their incompetence and inability to execute on many levels thereby penalizing as you say "the poor".

[@nates76vh20]

Is she from a workers union? People need to reconsider their unions because they are not representing our best interests.

[@annettenel9230]

What utter nonsense spoken makes no sense at all from Haitu. She is not thinking or listening to questions of the commentator. Please have a look at the abandoned hospitals. Why when we need hospitals???.

[@Scientist1994]

This bill is not for South Africa unfortunately

[@debbieisaacs9033]

Everything she say i think???????

[@amanda3081]

They get medical attention from foreign countries once they get sick

[@JohanBooysen-ud1iy]

BS. How can you improve a system that is non workable. This will devastate the middle class.

[@MeriamDemana-ts1wz]

Do you mean caring for zimbos

[@yusuf_837]

O gosh! Lol she is married to the thembisa hospital guy

[@pontshongoepe5791]

Go make noise to the giver run public health sector …our tax is just being drained.

[@clydestraus5526]

This is a total disaster ,if u look at the quality of doctors we are turning out ,ill take my chances in Zimbabwe . Our government hasn't run anything successfully in decades . This is just another cash cow for them there are no public interests here .

[@Tinker8531]

The same minority will be the first to quote the constitution about everyone should have health care who are in South Africa, they quote these things as long as they not affected. Its by time they get affected, so they can stop talking rubbish.

[@pontshongoepe5791]

Lerato o tsuba stilpayne 😂

[@deborahmcintyre5536]

Absolute disaster on the way.... Education Infrastructure Eskom She said it herself. Sub-standard care by the state who have destroyed SOEs...

[@waynejarvis3209]

I'm not interested

[@channelseptember6170]

She is crazy. Been smoking weed.

[@johnmorreira1060]

This lady is dreaming.

[@propshaft100]

Paye + 15%

[@user-xy2vv3ut3w]

Gap cover

[@chrisreynolds5360]

Delusional

[@bella357]

She talks sense

[@andrewkriel1563]

Where will they find the money From tax payers