NHL Future HALL OF FAMERS Tier List

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[@Maxville2]

Putting Matthews in "First Ballot" but MacKinnon and Draisaitl in "Too Early" is just weird.

[@awwwshucks443]

The leaf effect.

[@jl3249]

That's what I thought too.

[@Gergentine]

Disagree with Mac as he was quite inconsistent throughout the first half of his career. Draisaitle on the other hand I would argue should be up there. And I think what will get him there is learning to play defense. Then people will agree. Mac will get there. Especially if he wins another cup. Or has hart consideration in the next year or two. He's super borderline.

[@lelouchvibritannia4028]

@@Gergentine MacKinnon was snubbed for what should've easily been two Hart trophies in 2018 and 2020. The NHL voters have such double standards. In 2018, they didn't vote for him because the Avs were a one-line team. In 2020, they didn't vote for him and instead gave it to Draisaitl, even though Draisaitl was on a one-line 2020 Oilers team and Mack dominated way more advanced stats categories than Drai.

[@xlr0gd205]

@@lelouchvibritannia4028 It weren't making any sense in 2020. Draisaitl carried Oliers without McDavit to get that 5th seed, while Avs were healthy and came 2nd. Without MacKinnon they would've still made the postseason

[@krebyrocks77]

Going to throw out two defensemen that I think deserve to be in the HOF. Zdeno Chara: Has a Stanley Cup and a Norris Trophy, currently 2nd among active defensemen in points, multi-time All-Star. Definitely became more than just an anomaly on skates. There may come along a player who takes his spot as the tallest NHL player in history, but I don't see them being as productive and skilled as Chara has been. If he does call it a career, I think he's already done more than enough to get a HOF nod. Kris Letang: Has multiple Stanley Cups, currently 4th among active defensemen in points and only 30 points behind Chara for 2nd, multi-time All-Star. He doesn't have any individual accolades to strengthen his case and injuries have cost him his share of games played. Yet he just had a career year in points at 35. I think the only thing that is holding him back is injuries and not a decline in production. Playing with Crosby and Malkin certainly helped but the Penguins didn't blink about resigning him and I'm sure he could have got bigger money deals from other teams had he chose to test the FA market. A good argument can be made that Letang's more a borderline HOF. He doesn't have a Norris trophy like Doughty or a Conn Smythe like Keith but he's outscored both of them despite not even hitting 1,000 games played for his career yet. I agree both of those players should at least get strong HOF consideration, so by comparison I think Letang is deserving as well.

[@callisto8322]

Chara is first ballot for sure as he was widely regarded as the best defenseman in the league at a point and would have been considered for longer if not for Lidstrom. Letang is borderline but I think he will get in eventually.

[@zackstevenson266]

I'm surprised Letang hasn't won a Norris. He should've had at least 1 by now.

[@franklulatowskijr.6974]

Chara is practically a lock, too. Surprised he didn’t have him on this list.

[@Nichaelas]

If all the jokes about his crazy height are to be taken seriously then Elmer Soderblom will beat Chara whenever he makes the Red Wings at a whopping 8 foot 6 and still growing!

[@nogitsune4542]

Chara is the most deserving hall of famer ever. What a beast, what a carreer

[@yotesforthecup3842]

Backstrom should be in HoF bc he was part of the reason ovi has the amount of goals he does. One of the best playmakers in our generation and over 1,000 games played and points and he still has more left to give. He is a certain lock for the Hall.

[@loganhacker9329]

Thing is he doesn’t have a personal trophy. And 1000 games isn’t a good marker. Great player but definitely borderline

[@romanborris7919]

@@loganhacker9329 he’s the second best capitals player of all time and one of the greatest Swedish players of all time and one of the greatest of this generation, the only ones with the same amount of assist/points is the likes of Crosby, ovechkin, Malkin, etc. he may not be a 1st ballot, but he’s definitely gonna be a HoF

[@ogverde3410]

Criminally underrated his whole career

[@XaviRonaldo0]

@@loganhacker9329 there are still less than 100 players with 1000 points. He will get in

[@aanler]

@@loganhacker9329 You're crazy. 1000 games is massive.

[@dylanwynkoop4578]

Bergeron is absolutely first ballot, he’s one of the best defensive forward of all time, and you could argue that the Selke should be renamed the Bergeron Trophy.

[@buddy4500]

100%

[@IHateMyAccountName]

That's the Datsyuk trophy, sir.

[@dylanwynkoop4578]

@@IHateMyAccountName nah, Bergeron owns the Selke (he literally has the record for most Selke wins)

[@Mcbikey24]

@@dylanwynkoop4578 should Rocket Richard trophy be named Alex Ovechkin trophy then?

[@dylanwynkoop4578]

@@Mcbikey24 I didn’t say the Selke should 100% be renamed, I said there’s a strong argument since Bergeron is probably the best defensive forward of all time. As for Ovi, yeah, he’s the greatest goal scorer of all time, so there’s definitely an argument that a goal scoring award should probably be named for him once he retires.

[@ChimoWilson]

Backstrom is 100% HoF... not first ballot, but he'll be there.

[@37willdog]

I think Bergeron will be first ballot when you account for all of his success internationally as well

[@Jman-cx4bd]

Yeah there is no way in hell he isn’t first ballot, they could literally name the selke trophy the bergeron trophy.

[@markandersen793]

Yeah, he’s a no brainer, a slam-dunk.

[@Ck69420]

Hall of fame not hall of very good

[@Tou_Johnson]

Triple gold club. Only a select few have it

[@phlorzum2927]

@@Ck69420 bro he has won 5 selkes and has been robbed of many more. If voters didn't shy away from voting for the same guy over and over again he'd have like 10 selkes

[@DJ33970]

There's 3 changes that I would personally make. 1. Backstrom being in the Hall of Fame. 2. As much as people don't like Corey Perry, he's won at every level so I would add him to the Hall of Fame. 3. Bergeron to be 1st ballot. Also, someone else mentioned Chara for the Hall of Fame and I agree Chara gets in.

[@jaredpuhalla5360]

I dont know that it will happen, but seeing Crosby, Malkin, and Letang go into the hall at the same time would be so fitting. Huge bonus if Fleury goes in the same year too

[@jefcoble8827]

McDavid in first ballot is totally valid! He'd be a hall of famer if he retired today!

[@ryanlauzon177]

If he retired today cause he got tired of hockey maybe not, if something happened like an injury then absolutely yes

[@hucz]

@@ryanlauzon177 When you say tired of hockey that could mean a plethora of things. If it was mental health then yes he is still first ballot.

[@jharv3048]

@@ryanlauzon177 dryden was a first ballot and he retired because he was tired of hockey.

[@hereis44more]

Its silly to me to argue that Bergeron wont be first ballot: Triple Gold club, ATLEAST five selkes when its all set and done, best defensive forward of all time and still gonna be over 1000 points. Ps. Still enjoyed the video as always lol❤️

[@AskAScreenwriter]

He hasn't played in the NHL for a while, but Jaromir Jagr will be a 1st ballot HoFer... when/if he ever retires!😁

[@callisto8322]

He should have his waiting time waived like Gretzky and get in the year he retires.

[@IconZQc]

@@callisto8322 Agreed! He’s only playing to keep hockey alive in is country.. Mad respect

[@XaviRonaldo0]

@@callisto8322 are you forgetting Super Mario? He immediately got in too then came back to play as a guy already inducted.

[@curlyfryexperience]

At this point it might be when jagr dies, he is going to play forever

[@lomakinalex]

Henrik and price deserve first ballot. Both guys have just been so consistent and great throughout their careers for a position that really lacks a lot of consistency.

[@philippemineau2015]

And Price had huge international success. He literally won everything. In Sotchi he gave up 2 goals in 5 games. 3 SOs and two 1 goal games.

[@dirtypants8919]

@@philippemineau2015 So has Lundqvist

[@philippemineau2015]

@@dirtypants8919 I was not denying that

[@stivvits1067]

There is definitely some recency bias involved when talking about Bobrovsky. The dude won 2 Vezinas playing for the mediocre CBJ team, and that’s 1 more Vezina than anyone from this list. For me he is a hall of fame lock.

[@Jman-cx4bd]

No shot bergeron Thornton kucherov vasilevsky and lundqvist aren’t first ballet Especially bergeron

[@alinaperry3488]

I think Stammer’s a first ballot, I’d also put Vasilevskiy up there. They’ve both had incredible careers, multiple Stanley Cups…Vasy’s only 28, and he’s (arguably) the best goaltender in the world right now, he’s definitely still going, Stamkos has been a huge impact since he’s came into the league, They’re both very special. My opinion.

[@cam2159]

Backstrom should definitely be hall of famer one of the best passers over 1000pts Ovi owes a lot to Backstrom

[@kadfriesen]

I have no Doughty that Doughty will be a first ballet hall of famer.

[@CanadianFaye]

@MaazMan31 😂

[@swurIe]

🤣

[@jonah.donohue]

You had 1 job.

[@animepfpsr4virgins964]

@MaazMan31 I disliked both your comments

[@him1016]

If McDavid retired tomorrow he would still make HOF.

[@Bbistheman_]

Perry is definitely HOF. Hart, Richard, Cup, Triple Gold Club, and he'll likely finish his career with over 1200 games and 900 points

[@brandonelliott1277]

He’s not getting in. He faded by 30 years okd

[@jefcoble8827]

Gotta love these tierlists 👍

[@thekerbykerb5094]

Love the videos man

[@Anonymous-gh6il]

Love the vids bro!👍👍👍

[@Bossarm9]

Great content love it !

[@seanhenderson5996]

While Draisaitl's NHL career is definitely too early to call, when you add in his importance to German hockey he might already be a candidate.

[@iamdadtothem]

This is really good content. 👍

[@speedyv6247]

im sorry, but Nichlas Backstrom is going to be a hall of famer without a question.

[@brandonelliott1277]

Doubtful. Only three seasons with 80 plus points. He had a good career but it’s definitely a question

[@Chunkym0nkey147]

Hey, man love the videos. I just want to give my argument for Giroux's hall of fame case. While he doesn't have much hardware, thanks to Philly's wonderful franchise. Mr. Giroux, in the 2010s, had the 4th most points out of any player in that decade behind Kane, Crosby, and Ovechkin. Currently has 923 points in 1,018 games and is signed for the next 3 years. So injury-free, he WILL brake 1,000 points and 300 goals. Giroux is a 7-time all-star. And the most impressive achievement of them all, Claude Giroux, is an EA Sports: NHL '13 cover athlete.

[@markusv.146]

Came here to say this. He’s definitely a very under appreciated player, but I feel he will have a very long career due to his character and competitiveness. I wouldn’t be surprised if one day he wins a cup and also if he plays until he’s 40

[@Taubogason.40]

So Matthews should get an extra tier? :D

[@callisto8322]

Pretty good list overall! Burns I think actually has more of a chance of getting in than some of the other players within the borderline tier. Especially if he wins a cup on a very good Carolina team his chances are reasonable. Spezza has little chance in my opinion but has had a very good career. Getzlaf and especially Karlsson are locks to get in and should be bumped up a tier. A lot of the guys in the hall of fame tier are most likely going to be first ballot. However, I understand the differentiation of the tiers. Having said that, Bergeron and Thornton should absolutely be bumped up to the highest tier. I love Matthews but I don't see anything that he has done to set him apart from guys like MacKinnon and Draisaitl. Mackinon has won a cup and was runner up for an MVP. Draisaitl has won an mvp and has been a monster in the playoffs as well. While Matthews will almost for sure have a hall of fame career, he could in theory fall like a rock like Danny Heatley or Jamie Benn and he would not make the hall of fame if he retired today unlike Mcdavid.

[@bmantheawsome77]

Also ayye you talked about the red wings respect

[@coolman2262]

great video

[@butcherpete2286]

Bäckström is definitely a lock for the HOF over 1000 points and games played a Stanley cup and solid international resume as well

[@joshuabrownell3993]

The Karlsson disrespect is crazy. The dude has 2 Norris trophies. There is only one guy to win the Norris and not make the Hall and that’s Randy Carlyle. There’s no way a guy with 2 doesn’t make it.

[@alfiesmullet1311]

MCdavid would have to screw up real bad to not make the hall of fame on first ballot whenever that is

[@Bossarm9]

Yo love you man !!!!

[@ryanlichtenfel4817]

Perry will make it. 400 goals. Rocket. Hart. One of two people to win a memorial cup. Two gold medals, world juniors, and a Stanley cup. The other one is Scott Niedermayer.

[@BratatoChip]

Bergeron is literally so easily first ballot it’s not even close

[@daverk36]

what do you think of jonathan quick, probably has the best save highlight reel in history love the vids

[@gallydex3566]

As a caps fan I’ve always loved Phil kessel. Dude is a monster

[@pittsburghbob69]

I think Cale Maker should be in that HOF category already. He has a Calder, Norris, ConnSmythe, and a SC. Along with a Hobey Baker in college and gold medal in WJC. Still just 24 years old. He’s gonna be a shoe in before he’s 30.

[@brandonsartor6150]

Baised opinion but I think pekka rinne deserves it.

[@penguinz_fan8625]

For sure

[@jonmendelson1104]

Pekka Rinne is too good right now.

[@brandonsartor6150]

@@jonmendelson1104 lol ah man. What a horrible memory

[@oscarlevin5952]

You're welcome for the Too Early list :) also in my opinion the goalie that should go in the First Ballot in my opinion is Andrei Vasilevskiy. Ik this feels a little too biased, but he has stole games that Flower hasn't even done when he's in his prime. Vasy did it before his prime and still strives the success he's had is very impressive. His overall game and positioning is outstanding. Maybe not as calm as like Price, but still has the competitiveness that King Hank and Flower had especially during the bubble and the recent playoff games. Also, having multiple shutouts in clinching series no goalies ever has had that type of achievements.

[@Justin-0-]

In my opinion, I'd put Stamkos as a first ballot. Not a Lighning fan by any means, but you can't deny how much of an impact he's had on the Tampa Bay organization since '08

[@matthewkabel6246]

IMO Getzlaf is a hall of famer and Perry possibly could be, he wasn't as consistent as Getzlaf production wise but his peak was higher and Perry has won at every level and is a part of the triple gold club. Add that to his Hart, Rocket, and Cup and there's a very good case for him

[@animepfpsr4virgins964]

I commented earlier but I think they’ll make it but not first ballot. Like you stated, all the awards at all levels. Guess we’ll see :)

[@bradmorningstar4909]

Great videos! Bergeron definitely a 1st ballot HoF. I'm a huge Habs fan, he's a beauty. Team Canada, Stanley Cups, Selkes get him in. Should just have done borderline. Chara, Letang, Weber?

[@KertoBrand]

You ranked em well!

[@Sorry_mbad]

Just wondering when Theo Fleury and Alexander Moginly are eligible. Yk I would love a vid on players you think should've made the HHOF. Keep up the great work!

[@OhNyquist]

Mogilny should be in 1000%

[@callisto8322]

Both have been eligible for quite some time. Mogilny likely will get in within a few years, Fleury is borderline but may get in eventually in a weak year down the line.

[@Sorry_mbad]

@@callisto8322 Ik, I was tryna be funny... I've failed pls forgive.

[@callisto8322]

@@Sorry_mbad I forgive I get the joke now it was funny

[@KrillTheThrill97]

Double Getzlaf!!

[@justlovethathockey8613]

How do you think about tuukka rask being a hall of famer. He has done so much for boston and has a jennings, veznia, stanly cup, and most wins in bruins history.

[@Petskuta]

I think he should definitely be a HOFer. Goalies seem to be judged differently with the hall of fame. Individual accolades are also hard to come by in this generation for goalies. Just look at the greats of the past 20 years and most of them have just 1 Vezina, some have 2. Rask has the best save% of anyone from the timespan of his career, so he should be among Lundqvist, Price and Fleury (maybe Quick?) as one of the best of that generation. And the criticism about his playoff success has been way overblown.

[@screamingbanana4391]

Statistically, Price was the best goaltender of this gen, but if you put in playoff success and playoff performance along with individual success, stats and accolades. Quick is the best.

[@screamingbanana4391]

Of the gen

[@justlovethathockey8613]

@@Petskuta his playoff success is not bad by any means leading a team to two stanly cups is quite the accomplishment.

[@Kmartsmart]

@@screamingbanana4391 Rask’s stats svp wise are Bette than price, not saying he’s the better goal but js

[@justinsamsel1230]

Great video and breakdown of players. Everyone wants complain based on the comments so I'm going to jump on the bandwagon. There should be a new tier at the top for The Great 8, HOF before retirement! LOL, after hitting the 800 goal mark on a hattie and headed for breaking 900 in two to three years lets just concede a new tier has been created. :) Again, love the analysis not only on this vid but all your vids.

[@mrus4643]

Great video. The more goalies that go in (Luongo) that have not won a Cup. The more frusturating it is Chris Osgood is not in. His #'s more than support it. Its fun to play the hall of fame game. Cheers

[@father042]

Thornton is first ballot easily, greatest playmaker of all time behind Gretzky and Ron Francis I think Jonathan Quick is HoF player too for his legendary 2012 run

[@whoismarkk]

Quick is way too underrated now that he has been out of his prime for few years

[@mattgauthier7216]

Pretty pedestrian other than that season. If he makes it Tim Thomas should make it in before him.

[@Mcbikey24]

That’s a bit of a reach imo

[@Terminator6364]

Joe Thornton 3d best playmaker but 90 players with better P/PG in playoffs since he joined the league. Cut it to his prime and he still has 33 players ahead of him between 2001-2011

[@OttawaNow]

Patrick Marleau, Eric Staal, Joe Pavelski, Jonathan Toews, Patrick Kane, Sidney Crosby, Evgeni Malkin, Alex Ovechkin, Phil Kessel, Niklas Backstrom

[@davidelderson6260]

I can agree with all of these rankings

[@thinkingjack]

Blake Wheeler should never ever be in the conversation for the Hall unless you’re making a great joke

[@NobuhikuObayashi]

Malkin definitely first ballot

[@sergeivasilenka3243]

I don't think I can disagree with one of them. Well thought-out ranking.

[@Outta-hz1ej]

phil the thrill for sure

[@callisto8322]

If he can rejuvenate his career in Vegas he certainly has a chance but he is on the cusp as of right now. I don't think he would get in if he retired today.

[@jmuney8720]

I think it would've been cool to add AT LEAST one player from each team (maybe not the Kraken yet, but it would be fun). Representation would be good, even if it's a guy who you don't think will make it. Also too early was a cop out tier. MacKinnon, along with Barkov and Draisaitl will be HoFers, Marner probably will. If anything he could be borderline

[@henrylanglois7047]

Matthews is a maybe for me still like probably a HOFer but as of right now not first ballot but no way means he probably won’t be there some day

[@deltagolavista1]

Agree. Paused the video to say just that. His career isn’t over. He has had only one stellar season. I liken it to Dany Heatley. If a person only looks at the first half of his career (to 06-07 or 07-08), you’d say he’d be a lock for the HHoF, but his career didn’t end there and he tapered off substantially. Not saying Matthews is going to do that, but it’s premature to place him that high IMO.

[@fivedrunkwhales9291]

@@deltagolavista1 wdym 1 stellar season 😭😭😭 most goals since 2016 simply the best goal scorer in the game plus he has a Calder,hart, Ted Lindsay and back to back rockets.

[@LETZGONHLdraft]

@@deltagolavista1 if he retired today: Heatly goals from 19-24 yrs old : 80 goals in 190 games thats a huge difference compared to 259 goals in 407 games

[@ragejohnson1567]

@@deltagolavista1 So winning the rocket by a wide margin and finishing second to McDavid in MVP voting is not a stellar season?

[@trem_3482]

Thank you for the Matthews respect

[@gmumper]

Panarin and Bob in the CBJ jerseys. Noice.

[@bradybaylis1803]

I think karlson will make it. He was just so elite at that time

[@markandersen793]

Yeah, you take away his injuries, when healthy, he was one of the most dominant players in the league.

[@Turtle15684]

Just saw a TikTok from mbonhockey saying the redwings should offer sheet Robertson. Paying him 8 mil for 5 years. Thoughts about this?!?

[@michaelkeller5927]

That would be a terrible move. Detroit isn't a playoff team yet so they'd for sure be giving up a lottery pick this year and maybe next year.

[@Turtle15684]

@@michaelkeller5927 adding a guy like Robertson definitely can make them a team in the playoff hunt best that pick is 15th and that is a crazy core to be building off of even if they miss the playoffs this year

[@jonmendelson1104]

@@michaelkeller5927 It wouldn't be this year and next year. If it's $8Mx5, it's a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd for compensation. They could go up to $8,402,975 per year for 5 years (once they're over 5 years the cap hit would go down) before they hit the 2 1sts threshold.

[@tooesy1370]

What about mark giordano? Have had multiple opoinins on this

[@christopherrhorer5192]

Not even gonna have Jonathon Quick as an option?

[@animepfpsr4virgins964]

He didn’t make the tier list ya cry baby

[@linuslandin5781]

Shouldnt Tavares be on this list?

[@pensavspatsfandom98]

Phil Kessel should be in the Hall of Fame!

[@charlesstevens3360]

Bergeron is easily a first ballot HOF. A Stanley Cup, A Mark Messier Leadership Award, A King Clancy, A NHL Foundation Player Award and FIVE Selke Trophies(the most by any forward ever) and has been nominated for the Selke 11 times. He already is, the greatest two way/defensive forward of all time. Teams don’t just look for good two way players, they look for players that can play on the same level of Patrice Bergeron. At 36 he put up possibly the greatest season, for a two way/defensive forward, ever.

[@Terminator6364]

Nobody would say Bergeron is on the same level as Crosby, Ovechkin and McDavid if Bergeron came from Finland & played in Dallas. Even if you added another 4 Selke.

[@brianp7273]

Too soon for Draisaitl? Multiple 50 goal seasons. Multiple 100 point seasons. Hart, Art Ross, and he’s too soon but Matthews is already first ballot? Come on

[@jacobla011]

Draisaitl should be in first ballot but Matthews is in fact better and has won more awards, he is definitely first ballot

[@asci1732]

Draisatl is overlooked for everything. He could score one less goal and one less point than rocket and art Ross winners and somehow won’t get first team all-star.

[@LETZGONHLdraft]

important to point out how he wasnt an elite level talent for the start of his NHL career, which matters.

[@asci1732]

@@LETZGONHLdraft kucherov has played one more season 13/14 than draisatl and four more games and has less PPG. It also took him 4 seasons to become a ppg player and hall of famer according to the list. We either measure on stats or rings. Matthews and Draisatl are the same statistically in ppg and Draisatl out performs Kucherov. He's dismissed because he has McDavid as a god on his team

[@LETZGONHLdraft]

@@asci1732 Draisaitl played mostly with McDavid until 19-20.

[@peterbrown1435]

At the current time Matthews is not a first ballot. If he continues playing like he is, then yes. But as of this moment not first ballot

[@LETZGONHLdraft]

if he retired today: - 2x Richards - 2x Hart Finalist (includes Hart win) - Hart winner - 2x Lindsay Finalist (includes Lindsay win) - Lindsay winner - 5th All-Time in career G/GP (minimum 200 career goals) - Calder Winner - 1st Team All-Star - 2nd Team All-Star - Highest single season goal record by an American Born Player - 4 goals in NHL debute (first player ever from the Original 6 era and on) - 4x 40+ goal scorer - 60 goal scorer - top 5 in goals 4x - top 5 in EV goals 5x - top 10 in pointx 3x

[@davemason4055]

@@LETZGONHLdraft While this may be arguably a HHOF resume, it's not a first ballot resume.

[@frankierabuffetti3811]

What do you think of chara I think he is definitely a hall of famer

[@csanadhorvath]

idk who made the tierlist's pictures, but leaving out Chara, and Letang is crazy

[@grover578]

Datsyuk is better than Malkin IMO. Great video man!

[@Terminator6364]

Malkin 2nd highest p/gp of his generation, both in regular season and playoffs. 2 Art Ross, Hart, Lindsay and Conn Smythe. Datsyuk 3 Selke

[@zestplays]

Never knew getzlaf had another twin

[@kevinstull8552]

Marleau should definitely be on the HOF tier. He probably won't be a first ballot Hall of Famer, but he surely will be in there very soon.

[@ragejohnson1567]

Draisaitl, Kucherov, Stamkos, Hedman, Vasi, and Bergeron are all absolute mega locks to be first ballot. It's also really strange to have Matthews in HOF but Draisaitl in too early

[@DSoka-eb8qt]

Draisaitl has had almost identical stats to matthews (if not better)in the regular season as well as being a monster in the regular season. He is without a doubt a better player and a first ballot hof. Same applies to mackinnon besides his 3 weak seasons.

[@jacobla011]

Matthews has undoubtedly had a better individual career than Mackinnon. Matthews has also won more than Draisaitl. Matthews is better than both.

[@LETZGONHLdraft]

shall we look at their career numbers from 19-24 yrs old: Matthews = 0.64 G/GP, 1.13 P/GP Draisaitl = 0.40 G/GP, 1.00 P/GP Matthews = - top 11 in hart voting 4x - 2x Lindsay Finalist - 40+ goals 4x - 60 goal season - Hart - Lindsay - Richard 2x - top 5 in goals 4x - top 10 in points 3x - top 10 in G/GP 6x - top 5 in EV goals 5x Draisaitl = - top 11 in hart voting once - Lindsay Finalist once - 40+ goals 2x - 50 goal season - Hart - Lindsay - Ross - top 5 in goals 2x - top 10 in points 3x - top 10 in G/GP 2x - top 5 in EV goals 0x by Matthews' age Draisaitl wasnt nearly a HHOF level talent

[@daveblanco8271]

Man imagine Price had a slightly decent team in-front of him?! He would be the greatest goalie of all time no doubt!!!

[@animepfpsr4virgins964]

Getz and Perry will prob go in together. Not first Ballot but def future hall of fame.

[@quinnbarcker6283]

I think the other Getzlaf was ment for Ryan Miller I feel he deserves to be HoF was an amazing goalie on a not so good team and had a amazing Olympic campaign

[@GB-lr5eq]

It’s Eric staal haha

[@unoriginalandrew]

I think Osgood and Zetterberg are really close to HoF careers but it's tough to say if they would get in based on the other Wings players who have entered the hall. I personally think that if they hadn't gone out with injury they both would be guaranteed Hall of Famers.

[@refverhoog]

Thanks for the great video! And like all others I have some remarks, too. 😉 Patrice Bergeron: First Ballot Hall of Fame. At one point the "Frank J. Selke Trophy" will be renamed the "Patrice Bergeron Trophy". Joe Thornton: First Ballot Hall of Fame. He was perhaps the most prolific playmaker for the better part of the 2000s, and well into the 10s. Yes yes, Stanley Cup Schmanley Cup. If that's the sole reason why Jumbo won't be First Ballot HoF'er, we can throw multiple players out, too. Nicklas Backstrom: will only make the HoF if Ovechkin breaks Gretzky's goals scored record. Evgeni Malkin: HoF for sure, but not first ballot, unless it's a lean year. He has the hardware, the Cups and the international longevity and some measure of succes, but his durability prevented him from playing a lot more games. He played 78 games or more only 4 times in 16 seasons, and was held to less than 60 games (or 75% in shortened seasons) 6 times. I think that will factor in for anyone not named Sidney Crosby. Bobrovsky, Giroux, Karlson, Spezza: no.

[@Mcbikey24]

Bro what is that Backstrom take

[@refverhoog]

@@Mcbikey24 I can't really put my finger on it. It just feels more logical that Backstrom will make the HoF only if Ovechkin breaks the goals record. Bäckström has been quietly excellent, keyword being 'quietly'. He's amassed more than 1,000 points, yet has almost never come up in conversations about the best in the league, no?

[@BP21_]

Too early should’ve been above “no” seeing seguin above MacKinnon is laughable.

[@mollyshofkom7830]

Bob will end up in the HoF now. He has since broken more records and that SCF run performance.

[@francoisgaudreault8047]

Bergeron is a first ballot for me, 11 nominations for the Selke(5 wins), 2 olympique gold, 1 stanley cups and 2 finals, litteraly the beat 2-way center of all time!

[@staricon]

Did I miss Shesterkin or was he not in that list?

[@StagInTheBag]

As a stars fan who hates colorado, I don’t understand how mackinnon is a too early. Weren’t people making the argument that he’s better than mcdavid like a year ago? I respect your opinion, I just think he’s a lock for hall of fame eventually.

[@robmonkey]

Marleau deserves to be in the HOF. I agree with your borderline placement though. Great guy, great player. I feel like he's had some bad luck with the Sharks/DeBoer

[@callisto8322]

I think he will eventually get in because of his games played record, but he was never considered a truly elite player.

[@jonmendelson1104]

I think he had a strong case to get in without the games played record. With it I'd consider him a lock (though not first ballot. I wouldn't be surprised if, depending on the class, he's inducted when Jumbo is). He's 23rd in goals with 566. Aside from Ovie and Jagr who are ineligible since they haven't retired, everyone ahead of him is in the hall of fame. Keith Tkachuk (33rd with 538 goals) is the player with the most goals who isn't in who is eligible. After him is Pat Verbeek at 37th (522 goals), then Pierre Turgeon (40th, 515 goals) and Jeremy Roenick (41st, 513 goals), and Peter Bondra (44th, 503 goals). Of the 46 players with 500+ goals, 4 are ineligible, 5 aren't in, and 37 are in. Marleau is 50th in points at 1197. Of the top 50 players, 5 are ineligible, 4 aren't in (Turgeon with 1327, JR with 1216, Nicholls with 1209, and Damphousse with 1205), and 41 are in. While he doesn't have any individual awards (unless you count the most games played record), he won 2 Olympic golds, a World Cup gold, and a World Championship gold. He had the 5th longest iron man streak in NHL history of 910 consecutive games that only ended with his retirement. Again, not a first ballot, but I'd be surprised if he's not in eventually.

[@mr2slick910]

Fun fact Kucherov and Marchand became super stars at the same time period. Keith won the con smyth in 2015 when we beat the lightning. Tbh I think Patrick Kane is the best American of all time I don’t care if I’m biased

[@saxyginger7387]

Honestly, I feel like the Hall of Fame favors forwards, and it’s much harder to get in as a defenseman. Brent Burns will end up with well over 800 points in his career as a defenseman with a Norris trophy, yet he still wouldn’t get much attention as a player like Eric Staal with just over 1000 points and no individual awards. The only thing Staal has that Burns doesn’t is a cup win, and then players like Kris Letang should get more attention than they do if cups matter so much. Overall, I feel like the HOF induction process favors forwards and even goalies over defenseman.

[@KirbyQwop]

To be fair, how many of Brent Burns points came as a forward?

[@polarcub520]

Everyone in too early is making the hall of fame

[@TheBasileman]

In terms of skill, no doubt that Toews and Kane make it in, but due to their potential knowledge of the what happened with Beach, I see that impacting their chances of making it in

[@Mcbikey24]

Maybe Toews because he fell off hard but not Kane

[@chickenofdarknes3403]

Karlsson had 8 years straight of almost a point per game. Only 1 was below 60 points and that 1 season he paced for 67 points still. (Not talking shit. Just enlightening people on how good he really was and 8 years isn’t a short amount of time at all)

[@loganhacker9329]

He’s been a ppg once

[@Terminator6364]

@@loganhacker9329 This season he will win his 3d Norris, which is more then anyone else of his generation. His P/GP % is the highest of them all in both regular season and playoffs. He is the most talented defenseman of his generation.

[@leafsfanforever2896]

Ignoring injuries, Jonathan Toews and Erik Karlsson would be first ballot hall of famers

[@mattgauthier7216]

Toews is the most overrated player of this generation. I can see Karlsson, but not Toews.

[@Terminator6364]

@@mattgauthier7216 Toews is ranked slightly higher then Kopitar, Marchand, Backstrom, Marleau, Kessel and Giruox tho. Captaining 3 Stanley Cups, Conn Smythe, Better p/gp in the playoffs

[@philtess3126]

It's nice to see recognition for price. Here in mtl, people have been so hateful towards him. They keep using the fact that he never won a cup because of mtl's spoiled history. It's to the point that most people don't want the habs to retire his jersey...

[@daveblanco8271]

Most of our “fans” are clowns, Price always had a garbage team and in my opinion was the best goalie for the 2010 decade.

[@Ericlharvie]

Drasital is more a lock then Matthew's he is mcdavid's maklin

[@fivedrunkwhales9291]

😭?? by that analogy matthews is ovechkin and marner is backstrom

[@davemason4055]

@@fivedrunkwhales9291 So where is Matthews this year? Currently 24th in goals and 34th in points. Leon is 5th in goals and 2nd in points. One great season does not make Matthews a first ballot lock. If he retired today he wouldn't make the hall.

[@Gagegehris]

How do you put Draisaitl in “too early” when he’s already the highest scoring German born player of all time? His career projection will have him first ballot (lol not on the level of mcdavid or matthews is hilarious)

[@jonmendelson1104]

I agree for the most part, but I don't think nationality should have anything to do with it. There have only been 44 German born NHL players, only 23 have played at least 60 games, and 3 were goalies. Should Marco Sturm have been in after he retired because he had 487 points, the most at the time by any German born player? Again, I don't disagree that he'll likely be first ballot but if not should almost definitely get in.

[@LETZGONHLdraft]

because look at the start of his career: 9 pts in 37 games 51 pts in 72 games 77 pts in 82 games 70 pts in 78 games does that look like a player who should be in the HHOF? the HHOF doesnt just look at a players prime they look at the entire career. compare that to Matthews start of his career 69 pts in 82 games 63 pts in 62 games 73 pts in 68 games 80 pts in 70 games

[@Gagegehris]

@@LETZGONHLdraft “look at his points during the start of his career” (playing on a perpetually rebuilding oilers team until 2015) and 2 of the last 4 years he was almost or over a point per game. His production now? Yeah; he’s already hall of fame worthy plus he had a hart and Lindsay award

[@KirbyQwop]

@@LETZGONHLdraft and that’s not even showing Matthews goals, which is obviously his best selling point.

[@LETZGONHLdraft]

@@Gagegehris and? Matthews literally got drafted to the worse team in the NHL, went on to finish: - 2nd in goals in the NHL - 9th among centers in points - 1st in EV goals in the NHL - +32 TkA to GvA Dfferential - 1st in Goals 5v5 in the NHL - T-5th in the NHL in G/GP (minimum 20 GP)

[@emick1345]

Bergerons Selke trophy record alone in my mind makes him a 1st ballot beyond a doubt

[@janinespence4176]

any chance kane goes to the islanders

[@swurIe]

2:15 I laughed when I saw that