Niall Ferguson | Cold War with China? |

Niall Ferguson questions if we are on the brink of a new cold war with China and considers whether Australia's current defence would be in any way prepared to respond to a Chinese act of aggression.
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[@jonroads8281]

This summary from Niall really impressed and scared me first time around, it's a powerful answer.

[@jimbrown5268]

What scares me the most is that a great many people are wilfully blind to this.

[@S.J.L]

As an American, who lives this country and it's foundational principles, I've been shocked by the rise of authoritarian thinkers in America. I even briefly considered where I would go if I left and Australia was the most attractive option but I reminded myself that if freedom is lost in America then it will be lost throughout the earth. All who value the principles of liberty must stand up. Your courage will fuel our courage and vice versa. Liberty or Death.

[@S.J.L]

@@NightmareSituation It's bigger than America and even bigger than the Western Enlightenment. The founders drew on King Cyrus and his cylinder, a prototype of a liberal ethos. Make Canada liberal again.

[@williamfeldner9356]

The Free World needs to LISTEN to Dr. Niall Ferguson. He is truely a world class scholar on history. But always remember Australians, Americans consider you our brothers and sisters. We remember in our times of need you were with us, the US. We are with you.

[@hanhgoldman]

Yes. Biden can't even remmeber Scotmos name , only knows that big little thing down there :)

[@JohnWilliams-iw6oq]

We've banned nuclear power and weapons, and have no intercontinental weapons. We are in deep trouble. Frightening.

[@jrtaylor1275]

No, it’s fine we’re ramping it up now and I’m in the gym. Just need to get the feminist cancer mentality out and stop making it illegal to be masculine. The super union can go and hang their heads in shame and let’s stop fucking around.

[@angusmcangus7914]

This is even more worrying in the wake of COVID and everything that has gone on since the first Western lockdown. Hugely scary.

[@lewamalfitano5498]

That is the thing about John Anderson, his guest speakers get to sober him up often.

[@RobRobertson1000]

Australia's defense policy described perfectly by Mr Ferguson - a spectacular folly.

[@lawjef]

The fact that Niall does not charge thousands of dollars for publicly sharing his views on these issues is a modern miracle. People with a lot less insights, with a lot less credibility and with a vastly inferior forecasting track record, charge a LOT of money for these kind of thought pieces.

[@albertgrant1017]

The Harpies and Appeasers of the US Democratic Party .From across the Pond .

[@advancingaustralia2913]

To say that we are complacent about our strategic vulnerability is a massive understatement. We need a solid nuclear industry, power, subs and weapons to guarantee our security and enable an independent foreign policy.

[@barramonday101]

Yeah, half the world's uranium but no nukes of our own. China leadership are laughing at us. No military budget will ever be big enough for tiny Australia to stop 2 million PLA soldiers. We have to be smart. Australia needs nukes.

[@advancingaustralia2913]

@@barramonday101 Absolutely correct. We are tied up in Greenpeace paradigms that weaken our nation, and postmodern ideas that corrode our resolve.

[@anshuecon]

@@advancingaustralia2913 As an Indian, I would feel a lot safer if the Aussies had nukes too. Chinese expansionism is something we should have started preparing for since the early 1990s!

[@martinmarsola6477]

A real eye opening question from Marcus. Most intelligent one is quite a while. Cheers Marcus! 🇳🇿👍🇺🇸

[@arthurh5707]

Well, if Trump wasn't reassuring to its allies, then Biden must have them shaking in their boots.

[@blimpusa]

Quite refreshing to find a video about China with a comments section not completely subverted by Chinese nationalists.

[@chris14091975]

It is an accurate assessment

[@VincesInHocSigno]

Si vis pacem, para bellum indeed

[@cpawp]

[Plse work at the sound - volume is too low, sry.]

[@natnot1304]

I hope our real political powers are watching this.

[@pjrobben7613]

How can people take this man seriously, he is the one how put us into lockdown, over a year now. All his calculations were wrong, look up his history, failure after failure, he has no qualifications.

[@vickiwhalan4328]

I might sound pedantic but I think the actual date of when this interview took place needs to be placed with the clip. Putting up May 3, 2021 makes it seem like the interview has just occurred. Obviously it can't have been May 3 because of Covid restrictions, and Niall Ferguson mentions the year being 2019. But it is still important that we know the date of when the actual interview took place, not when it was reposted. It's a trend that is occurring more and more, where old clips pop up on youtube with a recent date. We then have to guess how long ago the content took place. It becomes an erasure of time. Feels a bit Orwellian to me! Ironic too, that the interview is with an historian!

[@cnyphotovideo]

He speaks the truth.

[@azlandpilotcar4450]

What's cold about biological, political, and economic warfare punctuated by military intimidation and demonstrations? Niall was right, 6 years ago, when he started talking about an upcoming cold war, he just missed the start of the hot one. What could be more Sun Tzu than not telling your enemy that you are at war until it is over?

[@jsrjsr6105]

Niall’s in a bad mood, but he’s not wrong.

[@glennstevenson6242]

Should have left them in the rice paddies.

[@patrickmichaelmolen6416]

Time 8:30, good message as well for the Aussies. They are a "prize" and China's recent hard full court press attempts to punish Australia and attempt to peal them away from the Americans should be raising red balloons and flags.

[@EmergingEvents]

Oz is more interested in super returns, dividend, and rental yields than we are about facing the BBC world and all its challenges. This is the unintended consequence of superannuation which has made us lazy. It’s too easy to take the money than give it a fair go.

[@jimluebke3869]

The population of China exceeds the population of the United States, and the general belief is that that will tip the scales in China's favor, even if the United States continues its flat-out defense spending. HOWEVER, if you add to the US' side of the scale, Australia, Japan, India, and any other country in the region that does not wish to be dominated by China, those scales tip back rather nicely. It will involve other countries stepping up, though. Provided that Japan re-envisions its military actions along American lines (as opposed to the bad old days of Imperial military), they will be an enormously effective ally. Australia will be part of a Commonwealth led by the United States rather than Britain, which isn't really that much of a change from the last 150 years. If population becomes critical, India can certainly step into a major role in that alliance. With coordination, cooperation, and everyone doing their bit, the fact that the rest of the world is rising up to America's level in terms of technology and prosperity, can be a very good thing. And in any case, we should always remember, "China, long divided, must unite; long united, must divide." They are more united now than ever, it seems.

[@albertgrant1017]

Jim Luebke You are absolutely correct,

[@jimmyjackman1]

I wonder if Niall is aware that Mitsubishi and Holden stopped manufacturing in South Australia roughly 20 years ago. Why would the Government decline the option to purchase cheaper, faster and more advanced fleet if China was such an ominous threat.? John knows that thousands of those redundant workers now proudly build our canoes.!

[@patrickmichaelmolen6416]

Good message for the Aussies at time 3:50. If you want peace prepare for war. If you want war, tell yourself peace is eternal. Large continent sized island nation blessed with abundant natural resources and farm cropland with a relatively thin population on the doorstep of a one party nation with growing imperial ambitions, the former not investing sufficiently in its military and instead relying on an Ally that resides very far away, the latter engaged in a historical rapid military buildup, spells danger. Nialls mentioning of recent historical evidence from 100 years aho to refute China's claims adnauseum

[@karenness5588]

Scary!

[@philippeyared2050]

I don't understand why a country like Australia (most democratic countries actually) would not just build a significant nuclear deterrent with a doctrine that if attacked even conventionally, that would constitute a reason to use it. This might be less expensive and faster to build than building a conventional army to counter China which happens to be nuclear. And if Australia can't, the US might be happy, certainly for a price, to position nuclear warheads on its territory, under Australian command ...

[@KickstarterRadio1024]

Old video from 2019... world has moved closer to conflict now.

[@natnot1304]

I see China taking Papua New Guniea soon.

[@yenian2744]

China took away land from Russia? What's he referring to?

[@patrickmichaelmolen6416]

Nialls mentioning of recent historical evidence from 100 years ago to refute China's claims adnauseum that it has no history of military conquest does not do justice. Petet Perdue in his book "China Marches West" speaks of China's Imperial ambitions during the early Qing when they exterminated the Xiongnu and conducted many other atrocities. The Vietnamese would also beg to differ on China's claims of never having an imperial history and can point to 400 years of such.

[@aletheiai]

10:04 1945 - 1914 = 31, not 25. Back to Maths class, young fella. 1914 to 1939 = 25 years. (Which, I'm confident, is what Anderson meant to say.)

[@mikeandersson7962]

Aussie is not defence their own intrests, Aussie is defending american first intrests.

[@jimluebke3869]

"China doesn't do conquest" How in the world did it get to be China, then? And, what about Tibet? Inner Mongolia? Sinkiang?

[@jimmywang1586]

Through inter-marriage (he-qin) alliance. Do some research yourself

[@jimluebke3869]

@@jimmywang1586 Xi Jinping married the Dalai Lama? I'd have thought that would make the news.

[@nicholashughes8214]

Step 1 Get yourself some tactical nukes, buy a mix of medium range Ballistic and cruise missiles and go for some shorter range high speed Kaliber/ Bramos style Short range missiles. Step 2 See if the Japanese or Elon Musk will sell you any heavy lift rockets to use as strategic strike platforms. I'd recommend Step 1 to Taiwan too not sure if they need long range strike given the relative distances

[@jimmywang1586]

Don't be daft! As a Taiwanese, I don't need to pay extra tax on Western weapons that I can ill-afford!

[@bsmythe3214]

@@jimmywang1586

[@shaunryan6]

Why should the US protect Austria whe they won't allow US nuclear warships in Australian waters.

[@talkingrefugees3845]

Austria or Australia?

[@shaunryan6]

@@talkingrefugees3845 Damn predictive text!

[@YHauz-co]

G7 is doomed! Geopolitics works in Russia’s favor. Euro currency has been the last attempt to save the industrial base of Germany, France, and Italy by increasing demand for their products in Eurozone. The alternative would have been an increased immigration and growing energy imports. However, Europeans failed to bear the social costs. In contrast, Russia has the capacity to support immigrant labor and possesses natural resources to accommodate European industries.

[@guitarista666]

What kind of people do you think would want to immigrate to Russia that would benefit Russia?

[@brokenarrowranch9816]

Ahem! As for NZ! Your military is near parody with kenya.. F-. Nz needs to get real and take its defence seriously. I dont see how a south pacific nation in this day of age, sees that as acceptable. Unless that is nz plans on surrendering. Glad aussie is taking this extremely seriously. Somebody has to.

[@jimmywang1586]

Hmm....soooo many Western insecurity, fear and jealousy on display here!

[@bsmythe3214]

Standard CCP troll response.

[@metsfanal]

Read between the lines at 7:55 on. "owning the mines, owning the supply chains..." This is how the world works. This is why the poor nations are poor and the rich nations are rich. The USA, UK, Australia, Germany, Canada, etc. all own all of the profitable resources in the third world countries. If you don't believe me, look up the companies nationalized by Hugo Chavez in Venezuela. Pretty much all were owned by "western" (white) nations. The USA spends nearly a trillion dollars a year maintaining about 800 military bases around the world to ensure these holdings are protected. You can look up the history of USA wars and coups the past 100 years by the USA any time a country in the global south tries to take ownership or control over their own resources. Indeed, there has been much talk about their anger over not having control over Cuba and Venezuela at the moment. This ownership by white nations ensures that fields that could be used for food in the "poor" countries are instead used to grow commodities like coffee, chocolate, rubber, and other goods for export to the white nations. The people, left with no means to provide for themselves, as all their land is owned by the western nations, are forced to accept dollar per day jobs working the fields and mines for the Western companies. This is where the fear of China comes in, specifically the "Belt and road initiative" he alluded to. China is coming to these third world countries and offering them a better deal - to invest in their infrastructure in return for access to their commodities. Western nations don't want that. They want all of it to themselves like it is currently. So of course you see the anger and talk of the next cold war in the same way you see it regarding Cuba and Venezuela and any other country that doesn't roll over for western interests.

[@bsmythe3214]

China expects poor nations to pay it back for infrastructural improvements, and when they can't then China owns part of those countries, thus trapping poor nations with their debt.

[@k54dhKJFGiht]

Yay! Another loud voice of objectivity in our cacophony of political correctness!

[@VivekKumar-rb7zk]

From future when xi jingping lunches his own red book and make xi s thought compulsory for all students to learn

[@gungasc]

He was always an odd end.