Nice Cycling 3 | A Questionable Emerge

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[@CplConundrum]

I get the "shit happens and it's best to fix it without a fuss" is the best approach but shit happens so often is ridiculous when riding a bike on the road.

[@lykortos4827]

And that's why us cyclists must cycle defensively; there are just too many poor behaviours for us to let our guard down.

[@lykortos4827]

@@ire923 Defensive cycling is the antithesis of road rage.

[@apkk5594]

I feel the same. Pretty much every time I'm on the bike (I cycle most days), I will come across multiple situations where I need to act to prevent myself getting hurt or finding myself in a vulnerable situation. I do think the highway code changes are great and a big step forward but there are still too many road users who don't care.

[@shm5547]

@@ire923 road rage comes from within. If you can't control your emotions as well as your vehicle, then time to hand that licence back!

[@lynnenicholson6968]

Kafajagig if you think that you ought to try walking on a footpath with a white cane and having a cyclist think it’s their racetrack. Funnily most of them can’t ding a bell, or call out, until I find an obstacle and go round it because I can’t hear them behind me on the pedestrian only path (the cycle path came to an end with a sign telling them to dismount or go on the road) due to the traffic noise on the adjacent road- then they swear at me.

[@lodger7551]

I was the cyclist in the two videos with the bus and the road works and I'd like to explain my thought processes in the two clips. It's worth mentioning that I am cycling simply for exercise so I'm in no hurry at all. The bus - I am very familiar with the road and I know that there are a number of traffic islands ahead that would leave it awkward for the bus to safely pass me further down the road. I also know that there is no bus stop for at least another half-mile. You cannot see it on camera (it's on my head) but I do signal to the bus driver that I was pulling in and I waved him past so he was fully aware of my intentions. It's not visible on camera but the bus driver does give me a thumbs up as a thank you. The Road Works - Local knowledge came into play again and I knew that those road works went on for a good distance. I was aware of the line of traffic behind me and conscious that there were also workers in the road. I was doing a decent speed but again, I am in no hurry as I am simply exercising. Like in the previous clip I do signal that I'm pulling in and also wave the car behind me past so my intentions were clear. I have been close-passed on this busy road before so in this scenario, I chose to pull in to let the traffic past instead of taking primary position and continuing. I welcome constructive criticism (I wouldn't have sent these clips to Ashley if I didn't) so I am happy to hear people's thoughts.

[@weevilinabox]

👍 You've just described the sort of planning and signalling of intention that all road users should aspire to.

[@cyclecam6328]

The extra info is helpful here, I would say the bus was likely to get past anyway between traffic islands given there was little traffic coming. I would recommend you to take primary through that island pinch point and then go secondary to help the bus by. You could slow rather than stop if it looked tight. You're right that passes as you go through the road works will be close so I would take primary there also to prevent them. You could increase your speed there if able, to decrease the queue length.

[@hansiesma16]

I’m glad you posted this, which makes perfect sense as to why you pulled over on both occasions. I have been laughing as I’ve read through the volume of opinions on why you ought not to have given way. You must be a driver too? Great riding anyway.

[@lodger7551]

@@anoncyclist2131 About a quarter of a mile further. I was on mile 8 of a 10 mile ride and this was in August of last year so it was quite warm. While I'm not unfit, I was definitely feeling the strain at this point and I felt like I didn't have enough in me to push to increase my speed.

[@shm5547]

Absolutely fine what you did in my book. I did think there was an element of reducing the risk of a close pass, as well as the courtesy in not holding up vehicles! People should just be clear that those road works were on a dual-carriageway, so traffic was only going in one direction. Had it been 2-way temporary traffic light controlled, then stopping would create the risk the lights would turn against you before you cleared the works.

[@neilholmes8200]

Best example I've seen of pulling over to the side was in North Wales when I found myself behind about 6 bikes from a cycling club riding together when short gaps between each. The country lane was barely much wider than the car for most of its length, so I tucked in behind them and carried on at 15-20mph without any problems. After 5 minutes max they all pulled in to the side of the road (it was the first opportunity) and waved me past. Hardly delayed me at all and there was no way I was going to try and pass them individually on such a narrow lane as it wouldn't have been safe 10 minutes later I reached my destination and they pulled up as well shortly after and we had a good chat about where they were going that day

[@ChrisCoxCycling]

With the cyclist pulling over in those couple of clips I worry it gives the impression to those drivers that that is to be expected. Will they treat the next cyclist that doesn't pull over as if they're selfish and holding them up? Maybe, maybe not.

[@ianmason.]

So would you say in the same vein that a motorist voluntary giving way to a cyclist when they're not required to by law would worry you that it would build up future expectations in cyclists? Would you also, by implication, suggest that this is a bad thing for motorists to do?

[@jwallbank7594]

@@ianmason. I see your point in the comparison, however, why id agree with Chris in the above is examples is the way that a small minority drivers can punishment pass cyclists when they perceive us as being selfish. I may be wrong but I don't see a similar risk/issue on the otherside of the coin

[@nothereandthereanywhere]

There will always be those that will try to abuse the kindness of others. But you shouldn't stop being kind. So no, your opinion isn't right in this case.

[@aylesburynumptydrivers9672]

Rule 169 highway code

[@pifko87]

@@aylesburynumptydrivers9672 169 is so vague. What do you consider a 'long line of traffic' or 'slow moving'. I tend to cruise at ~20mph - am I slow? You want me to be constantly turning around to count the number of cars behind me?

[@101gameingcheats]

Clip 6 3:38 - I find having vehicles waiting behind you is extremely nerve-wracking, even if I'm legally allowed to be there, so I completely understand wanting to tuck in and let them pass. Luckily footpath riding is legal where I live, so I'd continue making some slower progress on the footpath while waiting for the cars to pass.

[@marklittler784]

Looks like where you live should have been responsible for highway code improvements.

[@josephfredbill]

With care to peds of course

[@ire923]

As a cyclist, it's nice to see cycling cam videos where the cyclists aren't screaming abuse encouraging road rage at drivers but actually working with the drivers to correct the problem.

[@maskofsan1ty]

True but a lot of the time drivers aren't interested in correcting the problem. They just want cyclists out their way.

[@ire923]

@@maskofsan1ty You just have to teach yourself to communicate it effectively without causing road rage. Otherwise, carry a camera and report to the police after.

[@maskofsan1ty]

@@ire923 there's no way to communicate with someone who isn't interested in correcting an issue.

[@ire923]

@@maskofsan1ty if there isn't a way to communicate, as I said, just record and report it to the police. Move on with your life.

[@maskofsan1ty]

@@ire923 I don't have issue with you saying to not scream abuse (though it's hard to not when someone nearly kills your). My experience is that you can't rationalise with many drivers.

[@stephenbrough8132]

I've never forgotten being a passenger with my sister, turning right off a busy main road, into a side street, just in the nick of time to avoid a push bike coming the opposite way down the main rd, ... ie she crossed right in front of it ... I then remarked how close she was to that bike .. she said "WHAT BIKE?" ... and I was a bit stunned.

[@memphisjaxx]

I have to say what a great idea for a series. Both the good driving and good cycling series are an excellent medium that will educate and encourage improvements in everyones understanding, awareness and use of the roads. I have found with the rise in poor driving compilations it seems to encourage bad behaviours from select cammers to catch mistakes or misjudgements while on the road, often to such an extent that they actually either cause the problem or exacerbate the issue. Hopefully these types of videos will do the opposite. Great work. Stay safe.

[@musography6958]

absolutely agreed

[@mjudge2]

Clip 6: I often feel a lot of pressure at roadworks as a cyclist, especially if it's quite a long roadworks like seems to be the case on this clip. I also find that holding people up through the roadworks can often lead to some very close passes as soon as they end. This is worsened when travelling uphill through roadworks and I have often thought that in such cases and where space allows a dedicated route through the roadworks for cyclists should be created.

[@brantnuttall]

4:15. I tend to ride at around 20 mph so I wouldn't hold traffic up in this situation. However, I think it's very nice and selfless to do what the cyclist did. Good on him/her.

[@schnozz87]

Me personally I'd have taken the middle of the lane and put some grunt into it, stop a close pass but also show i'm actively keeping up some speed. But I can totally see why the bike tucked in and think perhaps it was a confidence thing (I ride in London where people are generally used to waiting for bikes, other parts of the UK people are much less cycle-friendly, I find)

[@johnb8956]

Yeah. If the cyclist is happy to do that then it’s great. Like tractors, they have every right to use the road, but if they are holding up traffic and genuinely don’t mind letting others pass, then it’s much appreciated.

[@brantnuttall]

@@schnozz87 I do the same as you. At least then the drivers behind you can see that you're putting in the effort. Not everyone can though! Happy cycling!

[@aylesburynumptydrivers9672]

Rule 169 applies at 20mph same as it does to tractors that can do 27-35mph now. Back when I drove them for a living we followed the unofficial guidance that was if there are more than 9 vehicles behind you you should pull over where and when it is safe to do so

[@aylesburynumptydrivers9672]

@Advanced Driving where does it say that it doesn't apply. Or is that just an observation as we all know that they only obey the rules that suit them

[@slyfoxyandalifesaver]

When I was a teenager before I ever found this channel, I found as a cyclist that it's easier to pull into a layby and let some traffic pass than the potential risk of drivers doing risky passes. This also dispels any sense of pressure or anxiety of traffic being held up by me. While there is no legal requirement for cyclists, It's akin to lorries staying in the left lane to let lighter smaller vehicles pass in the right lane. Yes cyclists has just as much right of way if not more now than cars, It's just my mindset I use while cycling but not an expectation as a driver.

[@aylesburynumptydrivers9672]

There is a rule that applies to cyclist's it's 169

[@jakerockznoodles]

@@aylesburynumptydrivers9672 It's worth noting that the rule isn't necessarily a legal requirement but is a strong recommendation and you can get yourself in trouble if it causes any major problems. I just thought I should mention it because people have a habit of conflating "should" and "must" parts of the Highway Code, even folk who frankly should know better.

[@Stuartalison]

@@aylesburynumptydrivers9672 the rule says should...not must. So it's upto the cyclist to decide if to pull over or not

[@aylesburynumptydrivers9672]

@@Stuartalison and there's the problem, there are others commenting saying that they would sit there and make the cars wait with the haha mentality. It's about give and take on the roads. Now the rules have changed that there must be 2 metres gap and that cyclists can sit in the middle of the road therefore making it impossible to pass some of them are abusing this to deliberately hold up the biggest queue like a game

[@Stuartalison]

@@aylesburynumptydrivers9672 the rule about 1.5 meters clearance has been there for years..... its been an offence that be be resolved by the police for years. The only new rule is the give way to pedestrians at junctions

[@JamesWilson01]

Clip 12 (the last one) was great. As someone who's on foot 80% of the time they travel, I've noticed cyclists giving pedestrians priority a lot more over recent months 👍

[@DEAR7340]

Same. I think awareness has increased. It is also helpful to other road users when pedestrians make some effort to make their intentions clear.

[@uavr1286]

Maybe clarification of highway code has helped?

[@weylinwest9505]

Does that have anything to do with that new(ish?) ruling of yielding to the pedestrians?

[@ibs5080]

Clip #6: In the second scenario with the coned off section of roadworks: I think the authorities could have helped cyclists a bit here by putting up signs to the effect of "Motorists: Do Not Overtake Cyclists". I've seen such signage at roadworks in the past and it would seem highly appropriate in this case, especially given that the roadworks is essentially "borrowing" some road width from what is a cycle lane. The cars are essentially a "guest" in the cycle lane...and whenever you are a "guest" somewhere, you should be courteous and considerate to your hosts. Having said all the above, not a bad idea for the cyclist to have pulled in somewhere safe to let those cars past, purely as a courtesy, though car drivers should not expect or push for it.

[@juliandoncaster6128]

It throws it because all the traffic has been funnelled into a single lane which incorporates the inadequate cycle lane, whilst normally the LH lane is bus / cycles I think. The works make it far more risky. In the NL, there would have been a completely separate arrangement made for people on bikes as one of the three modes (motorised, human powered, pedestrian). That would possibly have involved creation of a cycleway completely separate from the roadway / pavement; there is sufficient width in both clips 5 and 6.

[@johnb8956]

#4 pissed me off. Pushing your baby out into the road, whilst on your phone and completely unaware of surroundings. Lucky that was a competent cyclist and not a bus doing 30mph

[@driving_all_over]

Add to that the way she crossed the road as well, it was into the junction and back

[@ashley_neal]

It's down to other road users to look after the more vulnerable. Simple.

[@thesilverydragon]

3:21 In that first clip, I'd probably also tuck in for the bus to pass. Big vehicle, generally want to keep their schedule which might lead to less than safe overtakes. Completely fine imo. The clip after that however, in the roadworks, I absolutely wouldn't tuck in. It's already a relatively low-speed section of road, so I'd just keep going. Love examples of good cycling, it's great to see how people handle different situations well in traffic!

[@SpecializedRobbo]

I wouldn’t have tucked in, I would’ve waved the bus driver to pass me as I can see it’s safe for them to go then just the vehicles behind him as I know they’ll just be like like blind sheep until they spot the danger for themselves. The 2nd 1 with the roadworks, if I was sat stationary at the lights waiting to go, I’d let the traffic behind me go then move but I wouldn’t have tucked in, I’m normally going at least 15/16mph so I not going ‘slow’

[@markgambrill]

@@SpecializedRobbo never wave others on. Just because you think it's clear doesn't mean it is. A car could easily come the other way by the time the car following you has made the decision to follow your signal.

[@apkk5594]

@@markgambrill I agree. This is the same issue as the other clip where a car flashes someone to go without registering there is a cyclist coming.

[@apkk5594]

I don't think I would have tucked in. I can't be 100% certain but from the video, I'd say the cyclists road position is poor, he's pretty much in the gutter. I'd be further out into the lane and hopefully this would also reduce the likelyhood of a dangerous overtake. It's not that I don't let faster traffic through, but it's got to be in the right situation and I don't see it here. Similarly with the coned off section. If I were making good progress, I'd not be feeling the need to let traffic through. Given the amount of cars that passed, it appears to be a busy time of day (or a busy road) so sooner or later, that traffic is going to hit traffic lights and end up waiting anyway.

[@markgambrill]

@@apkk5594 also given the length of time the cyclist waited they could have walked along the pavement to keep moving and rejoin at a better spot.

[@emmabird9745]

Clip 6, I would certainly not have pulled off in either case. In the first pulling into the road junction could easily be confusing. Suppose the following vehicle was turning left, what then? In the second case the cyclist has to get through the road works the same as the cars, just keep going and get it done reasonably quickly but keep an eye out for other hazards. Clip 7, I am surprised that you did not complain about some of the vehicles coming towards us and pushing past places they could pull into against our right of way. Assertive use of the prime position can persuade drivers to wait a bit and improve safety. Otherwise I agree the cyclist did well. Top marks for showing good cyclists (the majority).

[@TheGiff7]

It’s really ironic that any clips of me ‘solving the problem’ get deleted as I assume that they’re standard road craft. I do hold onto clips where motorists have been good to me. Will have to start collecting my solving ones now.

[@PP-cm4re]

Please do! There are so many negative, road rage clips on KZbin from all road users. It’s nice to see some positive stuff for a change.

[@wonkyboy]

great vid. As for pulling over, every situation is different. As a driver I dont mind following a cycle, as a cyclist I dont mind pulling in when safe. Each cyclist judges risk differently as does every driver. As long as it's safe either option is fine.

[@elevenocean4471]

#6 By the amount of times the cyclist checked their shoulder, the bus was clearly quite close and making the cyclist uncomfortable. Seems the up hill road still had some way to go and if he stayed in that position, good chance someone would carry out a poor overtake imo. He shouldn’t have had to move but in a way he diffused what could have been a not so nice situation later

[@marklittler784]

They would definitely benefit from a mirror especially looking back that often.

[@laceandwhisky]

​@@marklittler784 mirrors don't show the whole picture hence why on a motorcycle and car and lorry life saver checks are advised, but yes mirror would help

[@MrKalem6572]

Maybe he just does extra observations, something that is lacking in many cyclists.

[@samueltaylor2757]

I would agree that perhaps that bus was driving a little close. Roads like this tends to trigger drivers in to rushing to overtake you before the central reservations

[@georgelane6350]

@@marklittler784 A mirror gives an incomplete view and is hard to see. Unless you have a neck injury, you're better to turn your head.

[@marklittler784]

#7 Yeah cyclists thanking drivers encourages them to be yet even more thoughtful towards cyclists in future when they're shown appreciation for their efforts

[@JamesWilson01]

Completely agree. A quick thank you creates good will and generates a positive feedback loop. It can be annoying when you wait for someone to pass and then they just blank you.

[@marklittler784]

@@anoncyclist2131 Both car drivers and cyclists are trying to make headway with limited space

[@awavey]

yeah those were totally sarcastic thanking driver waves, trust me, as I always cheerily wave to drivers who drive head on at me at that kind of speed too, as it totally confuses them normally :)

[@hicky62]

I may have pulled in for the bus, but I don't pull over in roadworks. The likelihood of those coming in the opposite direction not waiting for the cyclist to complete their passage is high, I have had this occur on a number of occasions. Living in a rural area, I don't tend to encounter buses too often, especially in built up areas. I tend to try and judge how close the first vehicle is to me, as this often is an indicator of their patience or lack of. Also I'm not normally in any real hurry, just enjoying my ride. Cracking video and clips, thanks to the riders for sharing and Ashley for uploading.

[@ashley_neal]

👊

[@joespittle1]

Handlebar mount person is about to become the cycling version of Jon

[@marklittler784]

Probably is undercover trying to get in on the channel even more 😀😆😂😅

[@thanosp.8140]

One does not simply become a version of Jon. *enter a Sean Bean meme pic here*

[@gingerwoods616]

My take on cyclists letting cars past is similar to playing Golf and allowing players to pass you by. It's for your benefit as much as theirs!

[@kenbrown2808]

actually, there IS a rule in the highway code about having a string of vehicles held up behind you which would apply equally for cyclists as for drivers. in situations where there just aren't opportunities to overtake, I'd say pulling up for a bit to let the queue go past is the polite thing to do.

[@richardparke4105]

Which rule are you referring to precisely? I agree, there CAN be situations where it is the polite thing to do. That doesn't mean that faster moving vehicles should expect that slower moving vehicle moves aside. Nor does it mean that faster moving vehicles are entitled to behave aggressively or dangerously when a slower moving vehicle fails to move aside. They have as much a right (in fact arguably a greater right) to be on the road as any motor vehicle.

[@kenbrown2808]

@@richardparke4105 i cited them two videos ago. I don't have the convenience of pulling it up again right now. The first rule refers to obstructing traffic, and the second refers to holding a queue behind you.

[@aylesburynumptydrivers9672]

@@richardparke4105 rule 169 I believe

[@shm5547]

The missing bit is you should only do this if it is safe to do so. Just stopping at the side of the road where there is no pavement or lay-by is not going to help. As once you dismount a bike, you become a pedestrian in the road - the Highway Code states you should leave a pedestrian 2 metres when passing (a whole 0.5 more than you need to give a cyclist!).

[@kenbrown2808]

@@shm5547 well, yeah, if you think pulling up in the middle of the lane helps, you need to go back to driving school.

[@dazkiltlfc]

Ashley passed my test today at Norris green got 2 minor faults, watched loads of your videos over the past 5 months they really helped me a lot.

[@ashley_neal]

Congratulations!

[@PauldeVrieze]

At the same time this shows why the Dutch never use a racing bicycle as a primary transport: clipped in feet; low, narrow view posture; awkward speed in relation to the other traffic (note that bikes can out-accellerate cars on road crossings); and of course the lack of robust low-maintenance quality (heavy and simple, so not fast).

[@TheDrgustaf]

Personally, I'd say it's not a great idea to give random yields to vehicles behind you to make it more convenient for them. Behaving in a predictable way is what keeps everyone safe, and that's more than half of what the rules of the road are for. And that's also the same regardless of whether you're riding on two wheels or behind the wheel.

[@zefrogi]

Think you'd answered the questions for everyone to be honest. You started the comment with "Personally" and that's just it. It's up to the individual. If you've got a line of vehicles behind you then it's up to you to dismebark to let them pass, and vice versa. Lots of different factors come in to play about confidence, experience but I would hope that a considerate follower behind the cyclist would be a common standard.

[@David-sw2fn]

I agree that standardisation can be helpful. However, cyclists aren’t machines and so there will inevitably be a lot of variation as mentioned. The guys in the clips here might just have thought, “I’m pretty knackered.. I’ll move to one side and catch my breath”. The cyclists we encounter might be on their first or twentieth mile. They may be sixteen or sixty years old. I don’t think we can expect the consistent behaviours with cyclists that we’d aim for with drivers. At the end of the day all we have to do is tap a little harder on our accelerator or brake, which usually doesn’t involve that much cardiovascular strain.

[@dorianleakey]

if you think they will try to pass dangrously, or start beeping at you, then its not so bad and not so "random"

[@funkycowie]

I think you'll find there is a rule about yielding to vehicles held up behind you in the Highway Code so its not random.

[@marklittler784]

Maybe a left turn hand signal would have alleviated any hesitant concerns behind.

[@kenbrown2808]

the cyclist in the last clip who voluntarily gave up priority, arrived at the next light just as it went green. so really, it worked out well for him.

[@johanwittens7712]

3:00 Not necessary at all to move over in both clips. You're following the rules of the road perfectly and it's the driver's job to stay behind and only overtake if it's safe. But as a Flemish person who cycles daily and has decent cycling infrastructure available, it amazes me roads like this, without even a painted bicycle gutter, still exist in a modern western country. This is clearly a main road with lots of through traffic. A road like this would AT LEAST have a painted bike lane, even if it's a crummy bicycle gutter, and protected intersections. And in the second clip there is a cycle lane, so you're absolutely in your right to cycle there. It's the drivers who are forced into the cyclist's space due to road works. In fact in my country of Belgium it's illegal to overtake a cyclist if you cannot leave at least 1m between your vehicle and the cyclist in a built up area (in city limits), and 1.5m outside of city limits, in case there isn't a bike lane. And roads without a bike lane will almost always be local roads with a speed limit of 50 km/h. But even then, in these clips, no need to move over. Motorists have to be patient too. But what a lot of motorists don't seem to realise is that what could have avoided all these situations is better cycling infrastructure. Cycling infrastructure not only benefits cyclists but also motorists. They remove the unpredictability of cyclists on the road, prevent dangerous overtakes as shown in these clips, make it much less likely a minor mistake will lead to serious injuries, and so on. And good cycling infra also takes people out of their cars and puts them on bikes, creating less congestion for the people who actually need to drive... Every morning I cycle a main Street of my city with dozens of other cyclists around me. If all those people drove instead of biked, the city would be stuck in perpetual gridlock, which pretty much was the case in the 90s before the traffic and cycling plan was implemented. And it's kind of a f*ked up priority system if it's considered "courteous" for a cyclist, who is already making a physical effort, to move over for people in motorised metal machinery that requires the effort of pressing a power assisted pedal to operate. All that's required of the drivers is a tiny bit of patience and respect for other road users. Is that really that much to ask?

[@neddyseagoon9601]

You make some good points however, Belgium has 11 million population. Great Britain, around 70 million, mostly in half of the territory. 19 million alone, live in a wide rectangle, between London and Manchester. We have small towns that are larger than your rural cities with massive numbers of large villages acting as suburbs. They were often laid out and built many centuries ago, with some obvious changes where practical, so the layout of many places does not permit adding wide cycle only lanes to existing roads, especially within urban areas. We have quite a few distinctly separate cycle paths that for whatever reason seldom seem to have much useage. Drivers are angered at cyclists who for a common example, ride on roads with a separated lane just as wide, right next to the road; which is very common. People seem to prefer a direct route or to try to cycle faster (on the road instead of using slower often pedestrian shared, cycle paths), regardless of potential conflict with vehicles and the risks.

[@friedr2766]

As a cyclist I generally only pull to the side on single lane roads, not only is it being nice but it also gives me more space in an environment where it can go up down alot (hence my speed varies alot) but there are also often ppl who feel like they have to go 60 on those roads and its just best to distance yourself from them as a cyclist

[@OscarGGL]

Love the uploads about nice cycling. I think it really makes a difference to show the good sides. Hope it will encourage better driving and cycling from everyone!

[@BenCurrington]

I can't get over the name of that pub... The Rampant Horse! I have occasionally stopped to wave a bus past at the bottom of Bridge St in Northampton, it's a bit of a hill so I'm a bit slower there. If I was halfway up I'd push on to the top. When someone behind you is driving like a lunatic it can be sensible to let them past, but it can be just as valid to get into primary position and force drivers behind to do things properly. If we keep stopping all the time we won't make progress ourselves so I think it's to be avoided.

[@villarule06]

“Make it a non event” what a phrase. Perfect for most dash cam clips floating around the internet.

[@kevincross9206]

Great work by the viewer. I like to think I’m as good when I’m out riding, but think we are all prone to missing the odd hint on the roads 👍🏻

[@leeholden8658]

Clip 6 is what I’ve done lots of times when I’m wanting to turn right. I’d wait at the side of the road and when it’s clear,move to the centre of the road and turn right when it’s clear.

[@amritbhupal8514]

Just another video showing us why we need much better cycling infrastructure

[@davidty2006]

That is sure a needed thing.... Were just waiting for dutch engineers to be given the go ahead with their designs.

[@paul756uk2]

Better cycling infrastructure? You mean we've actually got one?

[@amritbhupal8514]

@@davidty2006 no need to hire Dutch engineers, the Canadian chap who runs the KZbin channel ‘Not Just Bikes’ would be more then sufficient!

[@amritbhupal8514]

@@paul756uk2 certain places like London, Cambridge, Leicester have decent cycling infrastructure. Now just waiting for all remaining towns and cities to catch up

[@marklittler784]

@@paul756uk2 😀😅😄😅😀😄

[@shm5547]

1:30 perfect example of why you are advised to move out into the centre of the lane when passing junctions. Staying close to the kerb here meant the van driver could not see the cyclist behind the parked vehicle.

[@marklittler784]

Yes if it's obstructing your view of them then..........

[@shm5547]

@@marklittler784 it's advised in all cases to cycle in the middle of the lane when passing junctions. Mainly because drivers tend to look where they expect to see a car, which is further out than a cyclist would be riding near the kerb. It also means as you pass the junction, if a car does pull out, you are further away from it and have more time to take evasive action. It also dissuades a driver from overtaking the cyclist as they pass the junction, which you shouldn't do, but some drivers need reminding!

[@marklittler784]

@@shm5547 Well it's about analysing the visual perspective from others locations, a cycle near the kerb only the front is visible a cyclist that's positioned out in the road the car driver gets to see the side and the front of the cyclist hence a much larger surface area of the cyclist is visible to the driver. James Dean was driving a silver Porsche with the hood down which together with being an unusual car it obviously blended into the background and that's why it got hit.

[@ibs5080]

In Clip #8 Ashley made a good point to the effect that good cyclists doing the right thing often go unnoticed and that it's the bad cyclists that get remembered. One could say the same thing about stereotypes in general. For example BMW, Audi and Mercedes drivers, where I have to confess I am pleasantly surprised when I find they actually do the right thing and turn out to be not as bad as I initially expected. Not always though!

[@RonSeymour1]

Not cyclists but I had a pleasant surprise yesterday. I was travelling back from Stansted airport on the A120 when I noticed 3 motorcyclists behind. I gave a very quick left indication to let them know I was aware and they could pass. They then kept in line for several miles, behind the traffic and at the speed limit, even on the newly opened short bypass. It wasn't until they got to the nearly empty A10 that they took off at the 70mph speed limit. A real change from the usual constant filtering.

[@marklittler784]

I clearly move to one side if a cyclist or motorcyclist is behind to imply I know they're there.

[@RonSeymour1]

@@marklittler784 I should have said that I did both but it is common courtesy and I always appreciated it when I had my motorcycle.

[@U2QuoZepplin]

The brief little "parp" on the horn was probably a signal of thanks or gratitude but it is hard to tell sometimes . It's better when you catch the driver waving with their hand with a gesture of thanks but that again is hard to catch sometimes and is open to misinterpretation. In an ideal world there would be clearly established customs and gestures which mean one thing or the other which you couldn't miss.

[@cyclecam6328]

My tip to the cammer at 3:05 is that you will cause a cluster of traffic around you, the skill to be comfortable with is managing the flow around you whilst making progress yourself. For the clip 6 at 3:05, after the traffic island the bus is going to be able to get by and probably a car or two even continuing at the same speed. You can look far down the road and plan for when you're going to help traffic get by.

[@SimonHume81]

For contrast my last video showed me in poor road position, improper hand signals and foul language! Not the one I sent you, I'm nice in that one!🤣

[@JoesWebPresence]

Thank you! Yeah, I ride defensively and pull over to let vehicles pass wherever it's safe. I'd rather be behind that bus than in front of it, and I think the bus driver would usually prefer that too. Bike brakes are not very powerful, and being safe and in control means giving yourself plenty of room to stop. Sometimes hand signals are not possible because you are on the brakes or struggling to keep balance. That's why drivers are instructed to anticipate the cyclist. Remember! approaching junctions, bikes can be in whatever lane they feel is safest. At roundabouts I occasionally stay in the left lane, then go round, because traffic approaching the junction in the right lane has only left themselves enough distance to stop at the white line, and if I pop out in front of them I could be punted out into traffic. Not many motorists have read this part of the highway code and I've been shouted at for it many times, usually by the guy behind me turning left, who tries to overtake in the turn only to realize I'm not turning! I try to communicate my intentions to them, but often they're not paying attention, assuming they know where I'm going by what lane I'm in. I cycle like I drive. Deliberately, patiently and in control, with lights, hi-vis and obeying the rules of the road. I see the bad cyclists too, but when I do, often what I'm thinking is 'They're not used to riding a bike in traffic. Thank God they are not driving a car today!'

[@nickmoore5105]

Re. The cycles pulling over: for me as a cyclist it’s the intimidation factor of being followed by a train of cars, or indeed bus. I’ve had enough incidents with impatient drivers doing stupid things expressing their impatience aggressively, that it’s just less stressful to pull over and let them past.

[@burnzy3210]

i cycle 50 miles per week and one of the biggest problems i encounter is people giving way when they shouldn't, leading to innocent drivers pulling into my path and me (and every cyclist behind me) jumping on the brakes

[@robg521]

Excellent video, The social media is full of people driving and riding into hazards then ranting and raving about how the other guy was at fault. Good road use is the same for everyone no matter if they are driving, riding or walking. [See a hazard?….. that’s good observation well done, now sort it out and solve it, …. don’t make it into a problem]

[@Ed30675]

Excellent....great to see such considerate road craft by the cyclist's...

[@ethanleighton9060]

i think maybe with the double decker bus i would have pulled in as then you dont have to worry about a huge vehicle later up the road

[@MeFreeBee]

I tend to find, in London anyway, if you get behind a bus you are likely to need to pass it again at a bus stop very soon. If you already have the advantage of being ahead keep it.

[@ianmason.]

What MeFreeBee said, plus: One of the most dangerous places for a cyclist is trying to pass a bus that's pulled over. You have the double threat of not being seen by the bus when pulling out and by motorists passing the bus. It's a situation that bothers me both as a cyclist and as a motorist. Heck, the number of London buses that don't see me overtaking them at a stop in a car is terrifying enough in itself - now consider the likely bus/bike/car sandwich and shudder.

[@TheVanderfulLife]

4:34 Woohoo a cyclist from Newton Abbot! Shame I let the side down, in that situation I'd have hopped on to the pavement

[@davidmatthews9353]

Clip 6 "Rampant Horse" and clip 7 both come from Hull and close to my home. They nicely demonstrate the positive attitude of drivers and cyclists to other road users in Hull. Our roads aren't great and so we have to be considerate to each other. Full marks to the cyclists in both clips but nothing unusual. It may be "Strange to Me" as you said driving in Liverpool (where I came from myself) but not for Hull people where courtesy rather than entitlement comes as second nature; most of the time! Had the cyclist not let the Double decker bus pass as they did the bus could have been held up for the next one mile.

[@Jila_Tana]

"Let me know what you think in the comments" Well, I am Dutch, living in the Netherlands and I am appalled by the infrastructure in the vid. Any street where motor traffic is sharing the street with bicycles : 30 KpH Any road > 30 KpH : physically separated bike paths, every where.

[@stephentait8734]

Clip 7, the cyclist was actually putting themselves in danger as they was riding to close to the car on the left and the open door zone

[@georgelane6350]

Of the two clips where the cammer pulls over, the first one is good cycling, the second one is pretty hairy. It's really tight to get in there and the following driver is not expecting the cammer to abruptly stop. Much safer to take primary position and wait for a better opportunity.

[@The_BenboBaggins]

6.2: I'd have been tempted to start walking down the path with my bike, so that when the road was clear, I'd be further along the road works

[@fetchstixRHD]

Yeah, at that point, rather than trying to rejoin there, better to walk it further down to the end of the roadworks, so that there's the space and opportunity for you to restart. Personally I probably wouldn't stop unless someone's being silly, but depends on the circumstances...

[@alf1982]

Questionable emerges I can deal with, they happen to cyclists and motorists alike. However, dangerous emerges by drivers with a DGAF attitude will often result in me firing a few choice words in their direction. If a driver ever puts me in a situation that could result in me being seriously injured, then I will alert them to it. Last year on my 2nd commute to work on my new bike, I had someone pull out on me. I missed them by inches, and only because the driver behind him hadn't moved forward.

[@fetchstixRHD]

Agreed, and in general. Misjudging something generally isn't a big issue for me, and most of the time it's predictable in enough time for me to have a chance of reacting and mitigating (and more than likely, I'll make a move in the same day that I'd call questionable were I in the other person's position). It's when people actively disregard you, and especially for little gain, when I start to have a problem. (Such as passing very closely and then immediately cutting back in, like why?) Even worse is when a little bit of reading the road would reveal that a safe opportunity is just a few metres down the road, with no impact to overall journey time (e.g. a clear bus lane)

[@uavr1286]

I am neutral about the bus one, I think they could have overtaken soon anyway. However I wouldn't have stopped in the roadworks I think. I'd probably just have sped up a bit if possible to minimise delay to others without getting stuck at the side of the road for ages.

[@funkycowie]

Thats how I ride my bicycle which is just for general exercise, never have a need to hurry, if I did I would use my motorbike but even then its with a similar mentality with the exception of needing to pull over to let traffic pass. Make yourself seen, make yourself predictable, be patient, its not hard.

[@timothydraper6626]

I always make sure I can see the mirrors of a lorry (and anything else) when cycling, with interacting with lorries in mind, sometimes when cycling it can feel a bet hectic to be keeping pace enough to feel like you're not holding up traffic, which might be what is behind the fellow letting the bus go past. I'll occasionally let traffic pass because of that, and sometimes just to be civil, the traffic gets where it needs to be sooner, and I don't feel obliged to keep at a certain pace.

[@danthedroneman5771]

3:20 To be honest, a few times when cycling towards the Wythenshawe direction from Manchester on the Princess Parkway, I've edged into the road just like that to let a bus past. The bus driver (and probably the passengers too) have always been extremely pleasant and thankful.

[@marklittler784]

Yeah there are obviously occasions where your benefitting both yourself and large vehicles not moving forward into the cycling box at traffic lights.

[@marklittler784]

I remember the Police there a few weeks ago checking for speeding drivers at Hough end leisure centre at 23:30 on a Tuesday night don't think they got much business though, guy must have nearly had a heart attack a convoy of us three vehicles doing the speed limit looooool

[@danthedroneman5771]

@@marklittler784 Usually in these cases, I'm in the cycling box at a red light (yes I stop at red lights: shock horror for many) and the bus is pulling up behind me. It's half courtesy and half just not wanting a bus up my rear that makes me edge into the side roads to let them past.

[@speciesmg7537]

Though I don't cycle any more, I always tried to be conscious of holding people up. I always felt it was polite to pull over and stop when I could to let traffic past. That was defusing stuff before I'd had the chance to annoy anyone.

[@glynmoore3730]

For me, the cyclist who pulled to one side to allow the bus through did the right thing to keep a good traffic flow even at his own expense, thus averting unnecessary frustrations. But at some point that same bus will pull over at a bus stop and start the whole process again. And I thoroughly applaud the next pull to one side in the traffic flow situation. Again I realise he's now slowed his own progress, but it could have caused a total block had the oncoming temporary lights turned green and that same on coming traffic didn't see cars still moving through and started to move forward.

[@paulcuthbert8353]

Being a regular “pleasure” cyclist I find it stressful if I have a car at my rear following me especially on a narrow country road! I’m always looking for a place where I can safely pull over to let the driver through (with a wave of thanks of course!). Also, I find temporary lights are a particular problem for cyclist owing to the light phasing being set up for the speed of motor vehicles! I generally avoid them if I can especially if the road works take up a long stretch of road! Incidentally, I’m a car & motorcycle licence holder too! Happy & safe motoring everyone! 👍

[@baerlauchstal]

DOI: cyclist *and* motorist (and pedestrian and user of public transport) here. I'd say a couple of things. One is that you do have to be assertive, because some drivers are bullies who, if given an inch, will take a mile. The trick is to remain calm and sensible at the same time. So I applaud most of these clips, but I wouldn't have given way when the road narrowed the way two of your contributors did, any more than I would have done in a car. I wouldn't assert my right to the road aggressively, but I would assert it. The other is that drivers who don't ride bikes aren't always aware that stopping suddenly is more problematic for bikes than cars, because braking distance is longer at the same speed, and also because if you've had to stop without changing gear, you're stuck in too high a gear when you set off again. Now, that means cyclists have an additional responsibility to anticipate when we can, but I think it also increases the responsibility on drivers not to spring too many surprises if they can avoid it; it's doubly inconsiderate. I honestly think (without wanting to be holier than thou about it) that cycling makes me a better driver, and possibly vice versa; there's nothing like being able to see a situation from both sides.

[@Mogget5]

7:10 to 7:20 - a classic example of an annoying habit by some cyclists......thinking that they can ignore red lights. He was also asking for trouble when he tried to squeeze down the inside of the car that was switching to the left lane.

[@Dazuk2023]

Giving way to allow the traffic to pass was right or he would be inhibiting progress of the road overall which is in the highway code. I have had tractors caravans and slow cars out for a drive do this across the UK it doesn't just count for pedal bikes.

[@paulwarner5674]

Bloody hell.Those drains , potholes and road surfaces would make it impossible for cyclists to stay safe and avoid being targets.

[@ianmason.]

Then some genius paints a cycle lane on the road that actually suggests that you ride through all that crap and a _lot_ of motorists think that means you *have* to use the cycle lane and go all 'Karen' if you choose to keep out of the shite. And the speed bumps, don't forget the speed bumps, which concentrate all the detritus on the left where you'd naturally go to avoid bouncing over them. The more I use the roads, the more I suspect that "traffic planner" is a job that is only ever given to people who can display adequate contempt and loathing for road users.

[@PedroConejo1939]

@@ianmason. Perfectly put.

[@Taphosthewarlock]

I wouldn't have pulled over onto the path and into the junction to let cars pass, purely as, while its definitely good to share the road and be mindful, as a cyclist you often have to cycle with confidence as any small margin is usually taken advantage of by the majority of cars. This is exemplified in the fact that the entire cavalcade of cars just carried on as if the pavement is where the cyclist should be. If he's going a reasonable pace and safely, they can wait. It is likely to increase the risk of a close overtake once the obstruction clears but you can be aware of that in advance and plan ahead accordingly.

[@cabincontrol]

I regularly pull over to let people pass. I am in no rush, so no bother. Takes the pressure off me and let's people get on with their driving. I usually thanked too. It's nice to be nice

[@davidrunnalls3039]

The video with the van reversing reminds me of what I was taught in the 1980s, when reversing to turn around a vehicle with out side windows in the back you must reverse in the road that you would drive in also you should drive past the road you intend to use moving to right hand side so you are always moving with the flow of traffic. This is to manage blind spots and when you reverse you are going with the flow of traffic and not against it. I was informed by my instructor that in the event of an incident if you weren't doing it this way you would be immediately at fault. I would like to hear your thoughts on this.

[@richardharvey1732]

Hi Ashley, the first question, at about three minutes when the cammer pulled into the junction to let the bus pass was a very good example of considerate road use, it is always a good idea to give way to public transport vehicles if only because the use of such transport is one way of reducing the volume of traffic, also in this case because there was very little prospect of any wide enough clear road ahead for a more normal pass. I say all this in spite of the fact that there is no really good reason for these modern buses to be so large!, they are never full to capacity, simply that the owners want to take full advantage of the fuel rebate they get which encourages the use of large thirsty vehicles and involves employing fewer drivers. Cheers, Richard.

[@garymartin557]

the first one when they let the bus past was a good move. a pass from a bus can be unstable. i have let lorries go past in a similar manner but for different reasons. i cycle as a pastime, the lorry driver is at work.

[@Madsstuff]

3:22 Bad Im a cyclist. I will never pull off to allow other vehicles to pass if it means me entering a junctions. I just hold my position until I know there is enough room for everyone involved to have safe manoeuvring space. I also take centre position when going past islands and when approaching junctions as to dominate the road in order to limit other road users from dangerously adopting an un-safe position. Parents always said since i was a child, cyclists are the King/and Queens of the road since they are the most venerable of all road users. It really gets my back up when other cyclists think common sense and the Highway code doesn't apply to them.

[@misterflibble9799]

Clip 1: I would have positioned myself about 2/3 to 3/4 of the way to the right of the lane, and then stood with both feet on the floor. This tells the driver that (a) I'm definitely not going to try to come past myself, and (b) I'm deliberately trying to block any vehicles (of any type) from coming past me. This creates a "sterile area" to allow them to focus on completing the manoeuvre, rather than worrying about traffic (from my direction, at least). As you mentioned, this gets everyone away quicker. If the driver appears to be struggling with the reverse, then I'd also go up and offer to be a banksman, but that's not something I'd recommend for someone that doesn't have experience of reversing an HGV. Clip 6: In that position, I probably would have done the same as the cammer. I suspect that it's uphill, and the cammer doesn't appear to be going that fast. There's no rear view, so it's impossible to know how long the bus has been behind, but I'm a little surprised that the bus didn't overtake just after the pedestrian crossing as there seemed to be enough space and visibility. Perhaps the bus driver wasn't sure about their ability to get past before the island. As someone who also uses buses and drives large vehicles, I know (a) that helping buses keep to a time schedule helps things run smoothly for everyone, and (b) how difficult it can be to get past a cyclist in an environment where there are not many opportunities to pass, so I'll often pull in to help a bus or other large vehicle past if it's obvious that they'll be able to make much better progress, and I can do so safely. Using the empty side road to pull off is a good choice (and one that I use regularly) because there's a nice long braking distance (or you might even be able to keep moving if the following traffic passes quickly), and you're unlikely to have the front wheel pushed off course by a non-level kerb. Clip 7: No, I wouldn't have pulled in here, and provided I could maintain a decent speed, I would have just ridden centre-lane. If I was struggling to keep speed because it's an uphill section or I'm riding into a strong headwind, however, I might have pulled over. There's also another point to mention in this sort of situation - the opportunities to "pull out" are not that large (e.g. a relatively narrow driveway), don't give you much distance for stopping, and might have an uneven kerb at the threshold. If the vehicle behind is right up my backside, then it makes it *less* likely that I'm going to stop because I don't want to risk being rear-ended.

[@cyclingSausage]

I often pull in to let the traffic by, unless I get an aggressive tailgater who I'll happily sit in front of, take the lane and reduce my speed.

[@pjsmoulder]

Clip 5 is an example of why I no longer have my old car. I was the van that tried to turn, only I didn't turn. I could have made it, but I had no intention of just cutting across the front of a cyclist. I was waiting for them and the two cars behind them to cross the junction when I looked in my rear view mirror and realised I was about to be hit from behind by a mini driver who had, I assume, not seen the cyclist, and was not prepared for me to still be there when they returned their attention to the road. My car was rear ended at just under 30mph, as the driver did try to brake last moment, and due to its age, was an insurance write off. One of the worst things about the accident was that when I was out of the car checking to see if the woman who had hit me, and her two children, were OK, I had to deal with some mouthpiece telling me to move our cars out of the road, less than two minutes after the collision. Her car had one bent wheel, and the front end was trashed, my bumper was jammed onto one wheel (collision had been not to the centre but to my offside), and within 90 seconds I was already being berated about blocking the road. Everyone was fine, btw. The kids, after their initial shock, seemed to think it was a bit of an adventure. EDIT: That calm and measured hand up from the cyclist was just wonderful. Chef's kiss.

[@gazzaman28]

Seeing other cyclists go through red lights really boils my blood. Although to be honest, either when on my bike or driving a car I actually see far more red light jumping from drivers than cyclists.

[@fetchstixRHD]

@@anoncyclist2131: Would also think (though can't prove) that most "red light jumping" from drivers is either last minute as they change, or may be an error (e.g. misreading lights ahead, moving when they see someone else moving), whereas a lot with cyclists would be deliberately ignoring them when there's more than enough opportunity to stop. Personally I don't mind cycles jumping lights _if_ they look out and make sure it's clear and that they won't affect anyone, it's when they do so without regard to other traffic (or the possibility that there may be other traffic) that really gets me. Ditto with give way/stop lines.

[@johnkent4650]

A good road user, showing consideration for everyone. We could all learn.

[@androcles1964]

If the roadworks are to the left, and there's a single narrow traffic lane left I will often have a quick look to see if I can nip into the works themselves as often there is a path through. If not I will usually make a visible show of keeping my speed up by getting out of the saddle to signal to following drivers that I'm at least making an effort. I know I don't HAVE to do this but at least it shows that I'm aware of the "problem" I'm causing by holding them up and doing something to help.

[@WP7Nettwerk]

Bus driver and 3 other drivers was wrong. Cyclist doesn't need to give way for cars and bus. If you drive on the road so you have the same rules as others. Imagine what happen if car drivers will start to do like this?

[@musography6958]

great compilation Ashley, such a positive and safe attitude shown by these cyclists. The government could us this in a public information campaign for cyclists AND motorists

[@adrianh765]

When you are faced with a large Massey Ferguson tractor on a narrow somerset levels road, it is always best to stop and pullover ,unless you wish to get squashed by massive tractor tyres. Always look ahead.

[@cyclecam6328]

Lovely video, think I need to upgrade my camera, the quality of some of those clips is great.

[@josephfredbill]

The first video of yours that Ive seen that has been fair to cyclists and not called the cyclist an idiot. Well done. This is all sensble cycling and reflects the way I cycle I hope - with courtesy and sense - and yes, there are situations wher I would get over to the left and wave a vehicle behind past where there is space. There are also many situations where I would take the lane to prevent a vehicle trying to pass where there is not space. Waving is also good. A few minor things - those painted lines on the road called cycle lanes are often more dangerous than if they arent there (for many reasons I wont discuss here as its too many words to type with one finger on an on-screen keyboard. Second, the questionable emerge is not something occasional, its extremely common. As a cyclist I will always be wary of such an emerge and use eye contact and hold my arm/hand in a keep-back gesture to the motorist until they decided to stay. Very occasionally its helpful and courteous to wave them out before you get there. The key points for me are to 1. Cycle with courtesy to all other road users (not subservience), 2. Cycle with assertivity (but with care and caution too) - take control of the situation where needed (such as preventing an unsafe pass while staying out of the way of the one that would kill you). I always wave and thank vehicles that show extraordinary considerations. I also say thank you to peds and give them priority. 3. NEVER make assumptions about what a vehicle will do - negotiate with drivers. I cycle the same way I drive. I was critical of you on another video where in my opinion you didnt put the cyclist case fairly but in this one you have shown good cycling. As a driving instructor I would expect you to have a view “this is how cyclists should behave, this is how drivers should behave” - but I can say “the rules, while meant to help dont always help” - silly narrow painted cycle lanes being a prime example

[@1nfusionz]

The viewer that sent the majority of clips in must be from Cheltenham/Gloucester 😆

[@driving_all_over]

As a Gloucestershire guy I think they are, I've seen other clips from both places in Ashley's older videos

[@CrazedFandango]

I'm always grateful if a cyclist pulls over to let me pass, but I don't expect it. It's a bit like holding a door open for someone, or saying "after you". For some reason, roads bring out the negative side in too many people.

[@elektron2kim666]

We can be "too nice" on the road sometimes. It might be more damaging than the other thing. Being slower than the speed limit is something, though. I wasn't in the middle of the road in many places unless I considered it to be okay. It was easy to look for cyclists when I drove a taxi as I really knew the other perspective which many don't and they should. "The blind angle" in turns are the worst I know. Car drivers don't look back as much or as far as we believe. Just keep in mind that you were NOT seen whatsoever.

[@fredashay]

1:03 _"If you can see them, they can see you."_ That's not necessarily true, Ashley. Cyclists are generally invisible to drivers of motor vehicles. That's not laziness or carelessness on the part of vehicle drivers -- it's human psychology that we humans have little control over. Cyclists should always behave as if they are wearing an "invisibility cloak" while cycling and not get angry when vehicle drivers pull out in front of them or otherwise drive as if the cyclist isn't there.

[@MK-1973]

Great set of clips, lots to take from them all.

[@Edsbar]

The clips where the cyclist yields to the cars behind is as you rightly say something they don't need to do but if they feel pressured by knowing a good number of other road users may feel they are being held up, pulling over is the way to diffuse that pressure that otherwise could cause them to make poor decisions. Being right isn't of value if you are dead.

[@FireVixen164]

As a cyclist, it's very scary feeling as though you're holding people up, because so often they become impatient and start to try dangerous things. It's infuriating though to be nice to a car or two - say because they haven't left the space for you to pull out when there are cars ahead in your lane - and then EVERY car in the queue behind them takes advantage and never lets you out, even if they're about to hit a red light or queue of cars that I, as a cyclist, could avoid.

[@andyp315]

Clip 6 - part 2 Have done similar myself, you do feel a sense of holding people up and it does take a while to balance it out. When I was a more novice rider and still fairly terrified to be honest defiantly something I felt I needed to do at times even if the car behind was good and happy. Suppose now I'm more desensitised to it, but still if it makes sense to help out I do, eg temporary light with 1 or 2 cars behind me ill wait and wave them on when it turns green, but if there is a long que I go as normal (but a the quickest pace I can manage) Have had hassle before on roadworks sections, 18mph in 20mph limit DO NOT OVERTAKE CYCLISTS signs had a driver blasting his horn about 50cm off my back wheel shouting about how selfish I was being, was quite funny when he joined the que of traffic at the red light 150m up the road that was already in view. A lot of drivers will be perfectly reasonable, but even if the driver behind you is good there is still a chance another driver being them isn't and may punishment pass you as there retribution. Do feel over the past few years general attitudes have got better but there is still a large enough number of holdouts. A certain type... that view cycling as obstruction, don't think anything will change with them though.

[@fetchstixRHD]

Find it funny how people who seem so eager to break the 20 speed limits aren't spending any time whatsoever trying to get them removed, like how people have campaigned against Low Traffic Neighbourhood schemes. My opinion is that if you're close to or at the speed limit, and the road layout doesn't give an opportunity for you to pass, tough if someone doesn't like it, wait until there's a safe opportunity to pass, and write to whoever implemented that limit to tell them how much you don't like it.

[@MikeWalls7829]

7:01 (11) that was a really stupid move from the cyclist in front, the van was already signaling and starting to move over when they decided to try and squeeze up the left hand side, the van won't have seen them at all

[@shm5547]

yep, they won't be a cyclist for long riding like that

[@shm5547]

@Follow the howl I put them in the same bracket as the pedestrian at 2:20 - an idiot. The running red is not that much of a problem, as long as they looked out for the pedestrians crossing (it was difficult to see). Certainly no risk to the cyclist from motorised traffic whilst the 4-way pedestrian crossings are green. Just be glad they're on a bike and not driving a car like that.

[@chrissiegel6161]

I think the pulling to the side is a feeling safe on the road thing. I know when people feel like they're being held up they take more risks. I suppose the person who pulled over saw the islands and decided not to put themselves at risk by allowing someone to attempt as they were passing through.

[@christastic100]

I think one of the biggest issues is people who are entitled persons . They must be first and not be slowed by anyone in front . Sometimes I think the amount of roadworks and diversions stress drivers and gets reflected in poor quality driving.

[@RavyDavy]

Only the subject to pulling in and letting cars past - I don't think i would have in those particular scenarios; but if I was going to pull in anyways for a drink/snack/get my breath back, or even going really really slow up a steep hill, then I would consider it.

[@TheChaotix14]

Clip 6, from my experience from a not so cycling friendly part of the Netherlands I would have allowed the bus and whatever stream of cars is behind them to pass. I'm equally more inclined to find a way to allow trucks to pass me if they are stuck behind me. The cars in the roadworks though absolutely not, in fact I would probably have cycled closer to the middle so none of them get the stupid idea to try and pass me when that could be dangerous for both me and the road workers. Busses remove cars from the road meaning I'm also helping my cycling/driving self if I make sure they don't get slown down by me. Trucks, well I don't trust truck drivers to be capable enough to keep me safe and I respect the amount of space they need for maneuvering/speeding up/braking combined with the blind spots they have around their vehicle.

[@trevorhill8612]

Some towns have very patchy cycle paths, (not lanes so much). This leads to me in some circumstances not wanting to use them. for example, getting off the road onto a cycle path can be problematic and then when on it and it finishes, getting back onto the road can be an issue too (busy traffic).

[@joopjansen9102]

Postioning is paramount - but don't be naff about it. It's right up there with 'risk goes up, speed goes down' and 'priority is given, not taken'. Position yourself defensively: as a biker (be it pedalbike or motorbike) you have a far superior view of the situation; let others profit from that.

[@GilesWendes]

Car drivers see one bad cyclist and shout 'ALL CYCLISTS ARE DANGEROUS' then close pass, swerve at us, brake aggressively, cut us up, lean on the horn... Everyone should have to cycle to realise how vulnerable we are. Like the Netherlands. (I ride a bike because I'm in London, I hold a full licence)

[@schnozz87]

#6 my personal feeling? Wise move by cyclist. You're right they shouldn't feel they have to move over to save holding people up, but it's a little bit of self preservation (preventing someone getting impatient and close passing) and also just a little courtesy, maybe any of those motorists who were a bit anti-bike might have a little moment of appreciation which helps foster better cooperation overall...

[@aylesburynumptydrivers9672]

Read highway code 169 slow Moving vehicles should pull over