NICHE ZERO - The Flat Burr Mod Initial Impressions

[@devenpatel3044]

Glad to see the mod reviewed, Look forward to more in-depth as to which burr set might be the “best” among them.

[@Sprometheus]

Absolutely, more to come for sure.

[@bsw78]

I think blind taste testing is required here as I'm sure most differences will be highly subjective!

[@MrJACarroll]

It's definitely not "dead" at all, and remains popular - just perhaps not flavour of the month amongst the KZbin coffee crew who are forever chasing the newest thing on the market.

[@kellenhassell]

The moment us normies have been able to actually buy one… it was deemed dead 😐🙄

[@MrJACarroll]

@@alexvpaq Me too! Funny thing, isn't it?

[@marapamts]

Nobody said it was dead, only that its popularity faded. And that's just true - consumers have a lot more options now at the same or even lower price-point AND readily available that simply didn't exist when the Niche was at its peak popularity. And if Niche grinders continue to be so hard to come by, it will be slowly sticking to its own name.

[@HappyAccidentVideos]

I don’t think that’s a correct assessment. It’s not about being the newest toy. It’s about it being a conical and having a really boring flavor profile, and making terrible filter brews.

[@cameronmanochi7289]

I just bought one not too long ago. I love it, very thankful for it. And I don’t see myself upgraded or getting a new grinder for a very long time or ever. Honestly, the grinder is beautiful, it works amazingly. I had other grinders before the niche and returned them. The niche has such a good workflow. Definitely not dead

[@mikasuryapranata8107]

Niche = a hug from a close friend I can relate to that Thanks for the review, Asa. keep up the goodwork, you've completely transform your video since first I saw you on YT.

[@danjv]

Very interesting, you almost convinced me to become a Niche owner. The ability to switch between flat and conical burrs is quite intriguing!

[@lorenmark]

I continually go back to the Niche. I’ve also tried the Lagom P64 (as shown on your bench) and switched back to the Niche.

[@worawat_dot_com]

Would love to see how it stacks up against other flat burr espresso grinders around the same price point using the same sets of burrs

[@Sprometheus]

I would like to do that. I think there are a few. Like some Baratzas and the X54, I’ll have to look into it more.

[@slvrbach]

@@Sprometheus maybe compare it to the DF64? I know it's a different beast with the larger burrs, but it's definitely an alternative that people often consider--that or the Eureka Mignons.

[@JonFairhurst]

As a Niche owner who loves the workflow but would prefer more clarity in espresso, let alone pour overs, I’m REALLY looking forward to future reviews. I’m not sure if my next step will be to replace the grinder or to upgrade the burr set, so your recommendations will help me make an informed decision. BTW, title schmitle. Great video. 👍

[@bill4123]

I like how basically everyone with a Niche independently was standing in the kitchen, eating leftover Chinese over the sink with chopsticks, and glanced at their grinder and said "A Chopstick! Perfect!"

[@mattwilliams7454]

the niche is still really good. its a hard price point to beat for the footprint and ergonomics. it just feels like its easy to use in a way not all grinders are.

[@cheekster777]

Thank you my friend. Have yourself a great weekend.

[@Sprometheus]

You’re welcome Cheekster! Have a great weekend!

[@Kiaulen]

I love my niche, but I bought it specifically for espresso. Depending on the price of the mod, it would probably make more sense to get an Ode if I ever get into filter.

[@alanroderick7153]

Thank you for this and for commenting on different sizes. As of now, I will stick with the original conicals, but may be interesting for conversion to a pour over grinder etc in the future.

[@Sprometheus]

You’re welcome Alan, and thanks for watching. Yeah, the OG conicals do a solid job as is. I’m surprised to see a flat burr mod before a hot rod pair of conicals that fit.

[@joethearachnid]

I'm curious what retention is like with the flat burrs as opposed to conicals as like you said you won't have gravity to help get all the fines out and also a lower RPM to spin them out. I think this is a fascinating mod but as soon as you said Sworks I knew that cost would be an issue. In the UK at current exchange rates, after shipping and taxes I could buy a new Niche for the price of the SSP burrs and carrier! Probably a better proposition in the US where the Niche is already more expensive.

[@allen.t]

Cant wait for the follow up! I think its a great idea but hesitant since theres not much reviews on it yet.

[@lilteyang]

I'd be very interested about particle-size-distribution, and whether the Niche's lower rpm would cause any undesirable re-grinds with flat burrs.

[@stevegee218]

I don't know if they will fit, but the Baratza Vario/Forte family uses 54mm burrs by Mahlkonig. They are a 3 hole mount also. They are also very inexpensive.

[@MKdross]

I love the car analogy! I use a similar analogy to explain how systems are interconnected, too lol

[@bobhopeandnohope300]

Would be interested in knowing if you experience any noise issues plus heat issues with the longer grind times. Not long had my niche and can't see me wanting to mod it any time soon.

[@Sprometheus]

So far I haven’t noticed any unusual noises or heat coming from the grinds. Since it’s goes so slow with the 58mm set my guess is the heat is in the motor, which isn’t easily felt.

[@christopherschaefer8279]

Very useful vid, Asa. Thank You.

[@Sprometheus]

Thanks Christopher, I appreciate you watching and the kind words. Have a good weekend.

[@BrucePappas]

Thanks for this early review. I too am curious about the stress put on the motor. I'm looking forward to hearing your reactions after using the mod for a month with different burrs.

[@Sprometheus]

Yeah the motor wear is my main concern, particularly with the 58mm sets. At this point I’m leaning towards the 54s being the ones to get, but which style is yet to be determined. Sworksdesign also offers a motor upgrade, but I’m not going down that road yet.

[@tylergarrett8066]

@Sprometheus Did you notice more consistency at all in the grind size that you would expect to see in a flat burr set?

[@BrucePappas]

@@Sprometheus - for the burr upgrade and motor upgrade (cost?), you'd probably be better off with a new DF64.

[@awint123]

This really opens up alot of options, sounds like the 54mm is the way to go otherwise the motor my have to be upgraded.

[@NotUrAvg_Joe]

Any updated reviews? Are you still using these? Got mine today and I’m curious if the burrs season well.

[@ayoshi1351]

I too am curious for more in-depth review in the future. Love the thought of being able to swap burrs depending on the mood of the day.

[@2s_company_]

Thanks so much for this video! How's the static and retention after this mod? Is it possible to direct-dose without getting grounds all over the countertop?

[@Sprometheus]

Retention on my end seemed to be more or less the same, and that also goes along with static. More with coarser grinds, less with finer.

[@2s_company_]

@@Sprometheus thanks so much for your reply! Really appreciate what you do for the coffee industry!

[@greysuit17]

Looking forward to hearing more on this. Be kind of a cool setup having two Niches. One stock and one with the most clarifying flats.

[@tylergarrett8066]

At 3 minutes of grind time for one dose, it sounds like it would be faster and better for the lifetime of the grinder to just get a machine that is actually intended to do flat burr grinding.

[@Sprometheus]

Agreed. And I think the unimodal 54mm flats give you the clarity and shorter grind times that make it a good choice. But testing is still happening.

[@slvrbach]

Or, you know, you could just get a DF64 to sit alongside your Niche (like I did 😉)

[@greysuit17]

@@slvrbach well I have an Ek43s and a couple of high end hand grinders….I don’t need anymore grinders really but….

[@slvrbach]

@@greysuit17 yeah I get it.. side-by-side Niches would look cool.

[@simonw4304]

@The Real Sprometheus With Niche just announcing the Duo to come with just 1 burr set now, and being more "affordable" (cough cough), has their been any progress on the more in depth review of this flat burr mod (as mentioned in this vid)? The idea of having just the one Niche with conical/flat burr options, over having 2 separate Niches, is pretty appealing considering the cost difference.

[@bill4123]

When you do your in depth review, could you tell us the grind settings, so that we have an idea of the adjustment range? For example, "adjustment range for decent coffee was within a range of 5 marks for pourover... Versus these other burrs only being within 3 marks for pourover. "

[@After_GF]

I am looking forward to know the results with the last two "multipurpose" like burrs you show in the video

[@Dan_Mirai]

I really do want a flat burr grinder for my espresso bar. The Niche is great, but I do want more clarity in my shots. My first choice is getting a Lagon P64 but those are on back order. I was tempted last week to get an Eureka Oro Mignon but decided not to. I am now wondering if this mod is worth it if down the line I need to swap out the motor and gear box. I do love to tinker tough. Thanks for the insight spro

[@toasterboy708]

You’d all be fooling yourselves if you didn’t think Martin at Niche didn’t have a prototype Flat Burr Niche V1 on his bench right now. Or even worse for Sworks, a set of drop in OEM Flats sold as an upgrade to the 10’s of thousands of niches out in the wild…

[@tylergarrett8066]

I'm not sure why the original burrs you had on your niche are taking that long to grind a 17g dose. After recalibrating the set, I typically use the 15-17 setting mark for espresso, which takes about 16-18 seconds to grind a 21g dose.

[@Sprometheus]

It could just be the motor slowing, burrs dulling over time? Mine is about 3 years old at this point.

[@nofam]

Roast would play a factor here surely? Lighter being harder etc? But I agree, that seems slow - I'll time my next grind (still love my Niche 2 years later!!)

[@TomJones-tx7pb]

Given that his Niche does not have a serial number, I would be curious to know where it came from.

[@NoZenith]

@@TomJones-tx7pb I found a lot of the earlier models have no serial number and the motor inside is set up a little bit different once you take the entire top off. I've been shopping the second hand Market in the US. No I do not have any details it's just something I've come across so it actually doesn't surprise me that his didn't have a serial number and the chamber size being different or whatever

[@StephenProsserHCC]

I got the mod for our shop. I never truly enjoyed the espresso on the Niche, but it felt too overwhelming to sell the Niche and upgrade. I like your comment about the niche being a warm blanket...it's true, especially for filter coffee and filter 2.1s. After some issues with my 54mm burr size fitting, finally got it installed. I made espresso for people who normally get something made on the Niche conical. There has been a warm reception to the body and texture of shots from the flat burr mod. I personally find this mod reduces the super bright flavors the concials provide, which I'm not a fan of. I do think there's reduced clarity here, but the overall cup is was more clean. I'm really liking it. I think the lower rpms here are helping in that regard. Not sure if I'll have to upgrade to swors motor in the future, but we'll see.

[@TALESCOFFEE]

I also was very disappointed with the Niche sadly. It was just o.k. for espresso and even worse for pourovers .. but wouldn't it be a little more cost efficient to sell it off and get a different espresso grinder?

[@StephenProsserHCC]

@@TALESCOFFEE the size, ease of us and aesthetic are great. I always find selling things 2nd hand to be troublesome. I'm really liking this flat burr niche and so are my customers. I really think the lower rpm is working well. I am finding I prefer more body, texture and balance (mainly balance) over clarity, so this is a great setup

[@TALESCOFFEE]

@@StephenProsserHCC hmm okay! I'll look into it. Like I don't really serve a lot of espresso since I'm mainly a pourover specialist. But I was thinking what could help a little more. I'll look into the flat burr. Thanks! Also thanks @spro for this video

[@Stef4nK]

i would love to hear how the mp burrs perform for filter

[@waleed0323]

I’m considering the niche duo now it has flat burr set. According to James Hoffmann, the niche zero doesn’t perform as well at the P64 for espresso. Now that the Niche Duo comes as a flat burr set, would it be possible that it is comparable to P64 in espresso (clarity, complexity, texture, etc)? Or is the P64 still worth the extra $600?

[@Sprometheus]

Things like clarity, complexity and texture mostly depend on your burr set. Personally for clarity driven shots I’d go with the SSP MP burrs, for texture the Mizen or SSP Lab Sweet Style, and for complexity the SSP HU. I believe most of these also come in the 83mm the duo uses, but I don’t see much benefit beyond grind speed for larger burr sets.

[@waleed0323]

@@Sprometheus your answer is fantastic, but a bit beyond me. I’ll research more. But I’m looking for a killer single dose grinder and am considering between the niche duo, P64, or any other recommendations for killer espresso at home. Workflow and aesthetics are secondary. Would you be able to weigh in on this because I’m a bit torn. Considering canceling the niche duo order and going for p64 but not entirely sure why

[@MrMarki134]

Be sure to try the 54mm dittings spro!

[@Sprometheus]

I was talking to Sheldon about those, I could be wrong, but the dittings/mahlkonigs I believe have an opposite direction of their cutting surface, and this means you’ll have to reverse the polarity of the motor.

[@MrMarki134]

@@Sprometheus true. What a shame. They're supposed to be la creme de la creme of the 54mm burr space

[@drazenbabich]

3min for 17g dose. As someone said before, if you want a flat burr grunder, get one. There are so many great ones available in the market today at a very atractive prices. Niche is still something people buy but the World of grinders has moved on and they haven't much.

[@philgoogle1535]

The video title is disappointing but the content is interesting. The concept is tempting as I own a Niche. I agree with your thoughts regarding the risk of reducing the grinder's reliability. I'm looking forward to the follow-up videos.

[@benjaminbutton3476]

Are you going to test out the upgraded 63mm conicals from Gorilla Gear?

[@Sprometheus]

This is the first I’ve heard of them, I’ll look into it.

[@benjaminbutton3476]

@@Sprometheus they also have a 64mm flat that I’d recommend for your P64.

[@lgxiii]

As always, very well done. What intrigues me much is that the flat burrs mod doesn’t seems to increase the grind retention, nor the need for a bellow to clear the flat burrs as for most, if not all, the flat burrs single dose grinder on the market. If this mod doesn’t affect the workflow of the Niche grinder, this will prove me the design superiority of this grinder compared to any other that needs RDT and bellow to get rid of retention. However, I agree that 3 minutes grinding for 17g shot is way too long. You may do something else during grinding, but not for 3 minutes. But keep in mind, this is a mod for a grinder not design for this type of burrs.

[@brindlebeard]

Good stuff my man. Looking forward to a best set for espresso recommendation. Maybe a mod I would consider since getting a new grinder is not happening anytime soon.

[@Sprometheus]

Thank you! And yeah, since I’m an espresso boy that has and will be the main angle of my testing, so I’ll be sure to share the final outcome when I’ve come to it.

[@xenodrake4008]

I am really curious about taste testing! And if the 3 minute burrs actually perform better than the unimodals. Maybe some blind testing? Also, the eureka specialita or the oro single dose would be interesting contestants, as well as the kopi deva

[@siphawtia4647]

Is it worth it and safe for niche sir?

[@Dojevaart]

If I want to reduce the acidity and increase the clarity and chocolate flavor shall flat burr or conical ? I have zero nich

[@alexvpaq]

But realistically, does your initial testings shows a noticeable difference in taste/improvement? I'm currently really happy with my niche, I just wonder if it really would improve it.

[@Sprometheus]

I would say when you balance workflow, time, and some more clarity it’s worth it on the 54s. It is a different profile than the conicals. Thus far, if you’re still not itching to upgrade or have FOMO about flat I’d wait while all the details flush out.

[@RossidesM]

If you had $700 to spend on 1 grinder, and you mainly brew pour-overs, what would you buy?

[@NickWebster]

What's the retention like compared to the Niche with its stock burrs?

[@AntMelz]

What’s between the option O and the niche for you first backup?

[@davidrogala7597]

That’s pretty cool.

[@Sprometheus]

Thanks David, cheers!

[@davidrogala7597]

👊

[@DurbinRide]

i got mine like new in the used facebook market for a just 250$ so for me any modification will be welcome👍

[@andremagnani]

I mean, you can just buy a cheap eureka Mignon instead?

[@TylerPoppe]

I went from a Sette 270 to the Niche and I actually feel like I lost complexity in my roasts. I realize the Sette is also a cone burr, but its still noticeable. So, I sure hope this could really elevate the Niche. I do love the niche for its' quietness, slower RPM, and design, but I do feel like it's taken me a step back oddly enough.

[@fredito8242]

I'm on the same boat. I miss pressing 18 g on my 270wi and having no static.

[@TylerPoppe]

@@fredito8242 and the niche has more retention then the sette which surprised me!

[@devenpatel3044]

@tyler poppe, try adding shims to the top burr set (around the arms where the slide into the grinder carrier) to stop the wiggle of the top burr.

[@AlejandroPDX]

Why not better/different conicals? 😣

[@ricard3851]

Any recommendation if I cannot remove the lower burr and seems to be stuck?

[@Sprometheus]

On the original burrs or the flat burr mod? Mine because jammed, when I first tried and neither fit. I had to send my entire grinder to Sworksdesign to have it removed and the carriers resized

[@ricard3851]

@@Sprometheus thanks for the response 🙌🏼 I meant the original burrs I haven’t acquired the modded ones but as per your future videos I might

[@TheHabadababa]

3 minutes??? Holy, I get 16g out of my Macap in under 8 seconds on a very fine espresso grind setting. Granted, it also has a hopper with more beans pushing down on the ones being ground.

[@superlloito]

Worth considering adding gorilla gear burrs in the smackdown.

[@Rudeskude]

Cmon man, we know you aint using no espresso caps ;)

[@bjfeerus]

☕☕☕ Love Is Important

[@LumiLunar]

I hear that they’re making custom ssp and lab sweet style burrs to fit the flat burr mod. I don’t know if I’ll personally be upgrading but it’s neat that there’s so much being done for the Niche.

[@Sprometheus]

Yeah the SSPs already come in the 58 size, and the lab sweets I think are coming or out already too. I with there was more options on the 54 size as that seems to be the best of both worlds.

[@Olllie]

3 minute grind time is a dealbreaker

[@Sprometheus]

Keep in mind that’s only with the 58mm set, the 54mm are nearly the same as normal

[@PingChen]

So the discount is actually $20 off each of the first 2 orders, and not "$40 off (each of) your first two orders". I find that confusing and a bit of false advertising

[@ho560402]

Coffee nerds went from rationalizing Niche's conical burrs, telling themselves "it's a different flavor profile! I don't mind it at all!!!", to be swapping their factory burrs with established & superior flat burrs. Life is a flat circle lmfao.

[@Sprometheus]

Haha well I have to say I do like conical profiles, particularly for espresso. Having both on hand is a coffee nerd dream, and saving space and money only makes that better.

[@ho560402]

@@Sprometheus I love how you're always trying new things. Always appreciate your videos!

[@charlietighe]

Ok wow. I’ve been calling it sworks this whole time, not s-works. 😂

[@dcuccia]

Seems like a niche product. Sorry. But in earnest, for me, the DF64 at $345 right now seems a much better value, for those willing to do a little 3D printing or Etsy shopping to flush out the usefulness (same group that would be willing to change a Niche burr set).

[@Sprometheus]

Yeah, I think that’s why I say the Niche has faded from popularity. Lots of folks prefer flats, and with a lot of flat burr , single dose options, including the affordable DF line it’s hard to compete. But I think for those with minimal space, it’s maybe be a solid investment.

[@benjaminbouaoune4466]

I don’t know where you’re at but here in France the niche is cheaper , even after brexit. So the choice is not so simple 😅

[@dcuccia]

@@benjaminbouaoune4466 wow, I didn't realize how much it varied around the world. I'm in California.

[@CoffeeNo0b0514]

3 minute grind time on the 58mm is unacceptable.

[@anthonyj5633]

Makes way more sense to have 2 grinders.

[@Sprometheus]

I think in a lot of ways that’s true, but many folks don’t have the space or want to spend the extra cash to have two.

[@edipisreks5535]

The kit is too expensive. If I wanted to go to a flat burr grinder I would just sell my Niche and use the additional $500 towards something (not that I would; I prefer the Kony burrs to the 64mm SSP in my Ode: heresy, I know). The thread pitch is also clearly not right for the burrs; grinding close to the zero point for espresso is how my Ode is with SSP: a deal breaker for me.

[@Sprometheus]

On the topic of thread pitch I believe he’s working on a replacement that allows more space in espresso range. In the end, it’s early days on this and some hiccups are expected as an early adopter of it.

[@TinTownKing]

It's interesting to read how some niche owners are reacting to this video. Remember - it's a product. The niche was the first sort of affordable single dosing grinder to hit this kind of popularity, and as a result a bunch of other companies made comparable grinders to compete, imo improving on the design . In terms of popularity, the niche is dead compared to the heights it was once soaring. It once stood practically alone, and now amongst many. And that's okay, it's a grinder, it's a video. If you're still making good coffee that you like, that's the most important thing.

[@Sprometheus]

I’m with you. I had no idea so many would take this personally. Of course I meant no disrespect, and was thinking along the lines of your point about it no longer flying as high as it once did. But such is life.

[@p3t3tw10]

I get why you need a BIG hook, but 'flat burr mod for niche zero' would have been enough for most of us I think. The Niche is still a perfectly decent grinder and popular.

[@MrJACarroll]

He's now changed the title - obviously wasn't expecting the negative reaction to trashing a popular grinder as "the backup to the backup".

[@Sprometheus]

@@MrJACarroll the backup to backup comment was referring to my own personal experience, not everyone else.

[@Sprometheus]

Yeah, I wanted to have a little fun with it, get a little hyperbolic as this is KZbin after all. In the end, it mmm the focus shouldn’t be on the aesthetics of a title and more so on the content contained in the video.

[@shawnsgear]

@@MrJACarroll What's wrong with being honest and up front? Backup to the backup seems like an honest statement.

[@p3t3tw10]

@@Sprometheus thanks for your efforts and videos.

[@TomJones-tx7pb]

If you think capsule coffee is OK, why would I trust your opinion on high end coffee making?

[@ebusive]

THREE MINUTES for 17 grams?!

[@Cenot4ph]

have you found the fake sprometheus yet?

[@GraemeGibbs]

Did you say 3 minutes to grind an espresso dose!? That’s just far too long and surely a failure in design by the modders…

[@NativeNewYorker66]

Did you upload the wrong video because you certainly didn’t touch upon the question in the title?

[@Sprometheus]

Did you watch the wrong video, because I certainly said this wasn’t the full review and instead first impressions.

[@NativeNewYorker66]

@@Sprometheus No. I don’t believe you mentioned “Is it worth voiding the Warranty. If this was only a first impression, then how can you even put that in the title? You have to admit that it’s misleading.

[@NativeNewYorker66]

@@Sprometheus This is literally Clickbait: a sensationalized headline or piece of text on the internet designed to entice people to follow a link to an article on another web page. An 8:25 video that doesn’t address what you put in your title. Hopefully you will be mindful of that in future videos.

[@brendansmith]

Conical > Flat

[@NoZenith]

I would genuinely appreciate if you elaborate. I'm trying to do my research and I've never owned a coffee grinder before but I have a second-hand espresso machine, a rather nice escaso duotronic from a few years ago. I think I would do well with a conical and I'm willing to invest up to a Niche... I'm curious why you prefer the conical over flat? 🤔

[@RossTwentyOne]

It’s a shame to see that you are so out of touch with us normies of the coffee world. Saying that the Niche is dead, just because you don’t use it anymore. Really shows how far you’ve drifted away from what you once were.

[@marapamts]

Aw come on, it's simply a video title. It's not stated in the video that the Niche is dead but that it faded in popularity. Which I think is a fair point.

[@Sprometheus]

Hahaha, this kind of weird, parasocial behavior is something I find incredibly odd. You don’t know me, you never did. Don’t act a KZbin title is some kind of deep clue to who I am. Go outside and touch some grass.

[@shawnsgear]

Out of touch? Do you know him? In the grand scheme of things, I wouldn't consider an owner of a Niche a "normie". Most people don't own coffee grinders that expensive. Are you just referring to folks who watch coffee related videos on YT? I doubt Spro actually thinks the Niche is dead. He was just trying to make a point. There are many grinders that have come out since the Niche which has caused the Niche's popularity to fade. The last thing Spro is is out of touch.

[@BB-019]

Seems a waste of time and money?

[@bartoszkleszcz5420]

Needlessly clickbaity. Have some faith in your content, man.

[@Sprometheus]

In a 2018, 2019 or even 2020 world maybe. But in 2022 the coffee KZbin scene is highly saturated and a little hyperbole can make a difference. It doesn’t change the contents or it’s quality.

[@daybreakgray3452]

@@Sprometheus your videos already stand out from the rest, without clickbaity titles. you have personality and charisma, yes there are a lot of coffee youtubers now but most of their content falls flat

[@Sprometheus]

@@daybreakgray3452 I appreciate that my friend.

[@HappyAccidentVideos]

I know you don’t believe in seasoning, but please season the burrs before posting your final review/test video

[@Sprometheus]

If they just so happened to be “seasoned” by that time I promise you, nor I will notice the difference.

[@_kwak]

The click bait caught me despite wanting to see the product either way. Jebaited.

[@Sprometheus]

Haha I think clickbait means the video doesn’t actually have the thing that was baited, so you were indeed jebaited.

[@_kwak]

@@Sprometheus I feel click bait can include the content, e.g. Philly D titles. I got to it early when it was NICHE DEATH THROWS?¿? or what have you, I liked the phrasing and got a good kick out of it as I watched and made my own coffee. As always love the content!