Nicholas-MO | Utility Of Faith | Talk Heathen 06.17

[@marywollstonecraft2855]

Nicholas was thinking "But this worked so well when I was only talking to other Christians." Congratulations, Nicholas, you've just made a truckload of atheists.

[@real.evidence]

Nicholas likely typically speaks to children and adolescents in his youth ministry program, so he doesn’t receive many challenges or intelligent counter arguments.

[@TheTruthKiwi]

Yeah, he is good at ducking and diving and twisting his answers to conform to his dogma (except for a few where he begrudgingly just had to concede). It is just unfortunate for him that he is most likely to be wrong.

[@kellymestas9709]

Forrest responds to the kid: insane. LOL omfg!!

[@macysondheim]

These types of snarky, sarcastic comments are what turns off many good-hearted, honest believers that may be on the fence with some of these issues. So congratulations yourself, the attitude is not only un necessary, but obnoxious as well. Have a nice day

[@marywollstonecraft2855]

@@macysondheim If my comment has 'turned off' believers, then they must be very fragile. My faith comes from serious and honest enquiry, over years. Yes, if that's an obnoxious attitude I'm okay. Don't have a nice day, have a good hard look at your own faith.

[@jaymikesmovienites3452]

His first mistake: I was watching Jordan Peterson.

[@TwoForFlinchin1]

Jordan Peterson's self-help is literally making people think their life won't get better and telling them to get used to it. Classic biblical authoritarian

[@bubbercakes528]

Watching Jordan Peterson makes me fee ill.

[@kellymestas9709]

Yes.. I laughed so hard at your comment!!

[@wyett123]

@@TwoForFlinchin1 aw i never thought he was that bad. Extreme sure, but ultimately telling ppl to clean up and that discipline and responsibility give ppl purpose. To start with your room, and keep it clean. If your not in order you can't try to put the world in order. Just something of his I can agree with.

[@jermsbestfriend9296]

@@wyett123 he's telling people to ignore sound psychological and medical advice in favor of spiritual woo, which is extremely dangerous. He also advocates for all manner of intolerant hate even to the extent of violently lashing out. People who look to someone as stupid and confused as JP will universally be extremely angry when they talk to qualified advisors who can actually help them. For example, rather than just thinking you're garbage and trying to act more like a gorilla, what about getting actual medical evaluations? Denying reality and skipping necessary diagnostic tests often leads to death and grievous injury

[@markmiller7317]

How anyone thinks God needs to be told constantly how wonderful he is, is beyond common sense.

[@thedarknessthatcomesbefore4279]

Yep never understood the worship thing, not from wanting to worship something or why a Tri Omni being would need or want worshipped. So weird.

[@NN-wc7dl]

God gave Nicholas-MO a sleeping bag, but God doesn't give a shit about millions of starving children in the world? Nicholas must be very special to God, right? The complacency of this guy is stunning.

[@franciscosustek7249]

Gawd's bottom?

[@ARoll925]

You would think god would give someone he likes so much better arguments, then this pathetic BS

[@luckyjohn19]

Shaw: The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than a drunken man is happier than a sober one. ~

[@davidmandell1727]

The sad thing about Nick is that in his circle of friends, he's probably considered to be the smart one.

[@diogeneslamp8004]

Bloody hell that’s depressing.

[@iannuckols8876]

😂😂😂

[@JohnFleshman]

@@diogeneslamp8004 And odds are its 100% true. As an American I can say that WAY too many Americans are dumber than a bag of hammers.

[@ExcelsiorUnltd]

Nicholas: “If you don’t start with a belief and then search for confirming evidence, then you will never prove yourself correct.”

[@romankvapil9184]

His entire arguments are what con artists and cult leaders say to the masses so they will fall for their bullshit claims.

[@Terence.Tristan0806]

Thank you for calling that out, we need more people saying (as the host did) bullshit!!

[@richardearnshaw2719]

​@@Terence.Tristan0806 yes, absolutely! and the fact that these shorter pieces from the longer form show are not going to disappear any time soon is not only refreshing in keeping steadfast to the topic but will help aetheists better articulate to 'fruition' arguments counter to 'faith-based' gobbledegook at the same time as helping viewers see if perhaps they themselves have been or are currently engaging in the same 'unconvincing' circuitous nonsense. Heck! Even the caller might just take the suggestion and watch his performance over and see if he doesn't feel at least a little foolish - which is not to say that he was 'made' to feel that way or that due respect was not adhered to all throughout though it obviously at times pained them to do. VERY VERY VITAL WORK BEING ENTERED INTO HERE by all interlocutors! Excellent you guys 👦 👏 👍

[@iancastor69]

🤣 🤣 🤣 Roland the Closet Goblin🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@iancastor69]

Sorry but homeless for 45 seconds at the age of 6? WTF? Thats a bad start to life, no question. I don't believe it, children at 6 don't have demonic friends, you may have some nasty friends but at 6 kids don't have knowledge of Demons. Fears, perhaps, but no actual experience.

[@toforgetisagem8797]

If Atheists were afraid of the unknown they would never have stepped out of the hand holding church. Atheists step out into the unknown to find out what is out there. Another caller on this show was an atheist giving out stuff to the homeless. Nicholas just bumped into good people doing good things.

[@101perspective]

Exactly. I've never really believed in God and I've given money and food to charities. I also volunteered at the red cross for a couple years; volunteered to help a local school get used computers and funding for other stuff; been a mentor at a school for under privileged kids; heck, I even volunteered at a church for about 6 months even. And no, I did not attend that church or anything. They simply had a program that I thought was worth while and there wasn't any real religious recruitment or anything going on in it. Bottom line, if you think you are a good person then you don't need the fear of eternal hell to get you to do good things... or to stop you from doing evil things.

[@toforgetisagem8797]

@@101perspective Spot on. Tou have proved that there is no need to make people pray it effectively beg to get something they need. You did it without humiliating people. It also shows that Christians and atheists can work together without all the nonsense some believers throw out.

[@dv8754]

I hate how long I lived my life like Nicholas. But I'm so happy to be free of it now.

[@queezle4277]

Nicholas just came to bear his testimony. I guess he thought his passion would be as convincing as evidence would be.

[@fleshbones7606]

Nicholas is still this 6 year old kid when it comes to his beliefs.

[@RobertCro]

He sounds like a child but claims he has the experience of 10 lifetimes, searched evereything, proved everything to be false....except Christianity 😂

[@ARoll925]

Yep, so sad to listen to such a pathetic argument from a fully grown human, he is a world class bullshitter

[@hayleycomet8029]

This guy is the walking definition of confirmation bias

[@uncleanunicorn4571]

Suspend your disbelief in Roland the closet goblin, or you're a coward.

[@seanjones2456]

I bet he can't spell that.

[@macysondheim]

@@seanjones2456 these kinds of snarky comments are not only un necessary, but unfounded, and obnoxious as well. I know plenty of believers who are struggling from the harm of religion & indoctrination, & are seeking honest truths to these issues. They don’t appreciate the sarcastic comments insinuating their stupidity & their inability to spell. Have a nice day

[@camcam8995]

@@macysondheim no one gives a flying fuck about what your friends would or would not find offensive, that’s why jokes are only funny to some people, not everyone. If someone tried to make you think that my little pony was all knowing and loving and shit like that, would it not be warranted to call that at least a silly? And is stupid not just a little more mean way of saying silly. Seriously what the fuck does going all sjw on some random kid calling someone stupid really do besides make you look soft

[@andrewfairborn6762]

@@macysondheimshut your mouth. Theists are absolutely to be ridiculed and taken apart. They don’t deserve mercy, they deserve to be made an example of.

[@scottsmith2235]

Nicholas is trying to say: “Here, just drink the koolaid!!!!!!!!”

[@chriskelly3481]

Go onnnn! Please? Just drink it! Stop asking questions! 😆🤦‍♂️

[@TheSnoeedog]

Actually, nicholas came in a the last moment, knocked aside all of your silly Kool-aid and replaced it with grape Flavor Aid, lovingly prepared with a little "something extra"

[@TheSnoeedog]

@@chriskelly3481 Why is that guy following you around, making sure everyone drank their medicine, brandishing a handgun?

[@00B00N2]

Forrest and Kenneth the power couple! Love you guys hosting together.

[@SanguineCynic]

If this guy told me 2 + 2 equals 4, I would have to check his math

[@josephcampisi5401]

I like this Forrest Valkai guy.

[@TheAntiburglar]

There is a LOT going on in this call. I'm super stoked to see you on more of these shows, though, Forrest :D Edit: Kenneth, your belief that you could still have an honest conversation with this guy after ALL the things he'd said up to that point is ASTOUNDING and ADMIRABLE

[@Terence.Tristan0806]

I don’t think the caller is capable of being honest right now, with himself or others. He is completely ignoring TH’s questions, just answering his understanding, which does not appear to be more than surface level.

[@TheTruthKiwi]

@@Terence.Tristan0806 Totally agree Terence, well said

[@chriskelly3481]

At that point it's probably more for the viewers benefit than the callers.

[@TheSnoeedog]

@Handsome Wade Brody Jr. I'm still waiting for them to introduce a bonus feature, whereby the host hits a button which changes the frame to a bird's eye view of the caller, as they're doused in gasoline and a match is lit....zoom in on the face for their realization of what the smell is and the significance of the lit match.... I dunno...am I the only one who wishes, sometimes, that the hosts could somehow light the caller on fire?

[@TheSnoeedog]

@Handsome Wade Brody Jr. therein lies the rub.....define necessary, lol

[@critical-thought-4all561]

Forrest and Kenneth are hardcore with this thing, gangsters at dismantling the gospel (I don’t care how youthful and innocent Forrest looks!) Such a great team ( gentle, respectful and empathetic, too) - love ‘em both!

[@TheGoofy1932]

Well, Christians are often hard of head and short on reasoning so it's necessary. But love these two, especially Forrest. He's a treasure.

[@johnferrandino4666]

I think Forrest is so above everyone else on science. Together with his eloquent but practical speech, he reminds me of Christopher Hitchens. I'm hoping this guy's got it. He doesn't back down. That's what we need

[@ChaseAvior]

Great job by Forrest and Kenneth! No dodging allowed.

[@artistjoh]

BTW Sai Baba died in 2011. Many of his followers say he was resurrected after 3 days. Oddly, in the age of the smartphone, nobody bothered to get photos and video. But 26 million believers think it is real.

[@blarglemantheskeptic]

I guarantee that 11 years after the death of Jesus, that 26 million people didn't believe in hiss resurrection.

[@artistjoh]

@@blarglemantheskeptic Jesus only had resurrection. Sai Baba had resurrection plus social media :)

[@romankvapil9184]

@@artistjoh You'd think that this would be super easy for those followers to set up cameras up the wazoo around the body to shut up every other religion in teh world if this were true.

[@jackwhitbread4583]

​@@blarglemantheskeptic just because millions of people believe something, that doesn't make it any more credible. Provide actual evidence or quit forcing your indoctrinated ideals onto others

[@Midnight.Wisdom.]

​@@Imperial-SocialistPeople are going to wait a few decades before they start posting on social media about it.. You know, to make it more believable..

[@TheTruthKiwi]

Ken and Forrest are f'n brilliant. I wish I was as articulate and succinct in enunciating my thoughts. If this is the future of rationality, reason and reality then humanity has a chance, intellectually anyway.

[@TheSnoeedog]

ha! I was about to "correct" you, regarding the "incorrect" use of enunciating, where articulating was the correct word...good thing I double checked, as I didn't realize enunciate has the second use (the one you're using). It's true what they say, you learn something new every day....assuming you keep your eyes open. Thanks! live well

[@TheTruthKiwi]

@@TheSnoeedog All good Ryan! You too mate :)

[@RozzieBass]

I hope he does listen back. The indoctrination is strong with this one. It was fascinating to hear the change in his tone when he would find an apologist answer, platitude or other auto response vs when he was really thinking and almost breaking his brain. I really enjoyed it. I know it was frustrating for the hosts, but they still have great questions and patient listening, giving the caller space to process and then stepping in to stop the script when the indoctrination took over. Wonderful example of call-in show version of SE.

[@cps_Zen_Run]

As an Atheist, I understand that Death 💀 is the cost of Birth. My issue with beliefs are when the believers mandate we must believe as they do. Displaying Ten Commandments, In God We Trust on $$, prayer in school, Creationism; etc

[@snooganslestat2030]

We must believe the cherry picked things they believe which change according to which theist you're talking to!

[@fredbohm4728]

@Ronnie Alexander Many true believers in jesus would disagree with you.

[@real.evidence]

@Ronnie Alexander Define “true believer in Jesus.” What criteria do you apply to determine who is a “true believer”? Sounds like you are celebrating the No True Scotsman fallacy.

[@stevepierce6467]

@Ronnie Alexander The ones pushing prayer in public schools, tax money for religious schools, creationism etc. all consider themselves true believers.

[@stevepierce6467]

@@real.evidence A true believer is one who is so convinced of being right that we call them "self-righteous."

[@romankvapil9184]

When pushed to the corner, Nicholas sounds like he's literally reading his answers off the screen or paper when actually being questioned about his assertions.

[@Dumbstuffwatcher]

By the end, this guy FINALLY started listening- the "age of a book" question was where he stopped just looking for his next chance to speak- but even that didn't seem to work

[@AlexPBenton]

So after an entire 10 minutes of arguing that it doesn't matter if his beliefs are true, he then asserts that his beliefs are true in order to support his position.

[@Kraftbrew]

A frustrating call, no doubt, but one of the better ones I’ve watched, on this topic.

[@graydear3554]

I like the way the hosts give the caller enough rope

[@raceryod]

Forest and Kenneth two heavy lifters in the circuit of intellect.

[@tracer740]

... without any doubt! I am more than impressed.

[@slimjim227]

“Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” This touches on the heart of the argumentum ad populum fallacy.Physical reality does not require belief to sustain it, and belief will not modify the rules of the universe.

[@rageofheaven]

"It freed me from my fear of death." In return for a fear of divine retribution.

[@digbycrankshaft7572]

No. No fear of that either. Live on your knees in fear but don't dare expect others too.

[@cassievining340]

I straight up, had to make a weird face at my phone when he said that they were atheist because they were afraid of faith and whatever. Prior to that, he mentioned basically hedging his bets on Christianity” just in case.” Little boy forgot to bring his cliff notes to school!

[@FuzzyGlowCar]

This was one of the most devestating calls i have seen here.

[@huffpappy]

Nicholas sounds just like every other believer who never seems to understand that they have no good evidence to support their beliefs.

[@TheMoggiemum]

@Ronnie Alexander if they want to convince others to follow their religious standards or to believe in their god they shouldn't be surprised at people asking for evidence or proof They might be happy to believe based on faith but other people aren't

[@TheMoggiemum]

@Ronnie Alexander I'm not saying your post was aimed at convincing others. Just that even today religious people (esp with social and legal changes in western world over the past century) do often claim everyone should follow their religious dictates, and many of the calls here are why don't/won't atheists believe related. If someone uses evidence to build their beliefs/worldview why wouldn't they use evidence or its lack to inform their god beliefs? You say atheists wouldn't accept evidence because they don't accept on faith? Accepting a belief on faith is very, very different to accepting beliefs based on evidence. Tldr why do you think that people asking for evidence would not believe evidence?

[@TheTruthKiwi]

@@TheMoggiemum I think you broke Ronnie :p

[@L.D.1]

Kenneth crushed it here. So many good points in. Hope Nicholas is having his eyes opened by now.

[@cameronroot]

Loved when Forrest finally came in with the big guns and fired them with unfettered regard at 25 minutes!

[@Sal.K--BC]

This guy is nuts!

[@joebarnard4708]

Nicholas is a simpleton that has had some hard shit in his life. The most meaningful thing he said as to why he thinks this way was "If there is a God, I should be afraid of him." When he said that I was both enraged at his bull shit laden boldness and very very very sad for him.

[@TheTruthKiwi]

I wouldn't say he was a simpleton, just very very deluded.

[@cmack17]

@@TheTruthKiwi Simpleton: an ignorant, foolish, or silly person Nicholas is definitely a simpleton.

[@sparki9085]

"youre a coward for not starting with the presumption youre right!!!1!" Gotcha, thanks nicholas for proving Roland, the one true god!

[@scottsmith2235]

Sometimes when I hear callers like this, it makes me think of reality show “Hoarders.”

[@davewilliams5102]

Great comment. I am still laughing.

[@TheSnoeedog]

it makes me think of gasoline....and matches

[@bobbrereton4785]

Nicholas should get his own show so he can demand as much time as he desires.

[@CronoXpono]

Ooh, that's how I know I couldn't be a host. It's amazingly angering to have someone tell you to HANG ON so they can REFUSE to engage the topic. O_O

[@romankvapil9184]

What this dude is basically saying is what every cult leader, and snake oil's salesmen does when in the presence of skeptics. That you gotta "suspend your disbelief" in order to believe what he's trying to sell you.

[@West3720]

Yeah Nicholas sounds just like a con artist

[@topcat2069]

I only "suspend your disbelief" for Marvel Universe Movies 👽🤖👾👻

[@albaniahenry-franklin2829]

@17:41 "When I was 6 years old, I gambled away my life to Satan"🤣🤣🤣

[@leyrua]

The bit about Roland the Closet Goblin and the Attic Gnomes who are His enemies was hilarious! 🤣 I've been using The Tooth Fairy and her enemies The Sugar Plum Fairies.

[@Frynge357]

"you guys have had the table for quite a bit..." DUDE. they're the show's hosts. it's their show, not Nicholas's show.

[@r.dejong9537]

I liked this conversation very much! Not ugly. And he is almost fair to himself,

[@NELLYB]

It’s insane to me that someone who worships something they can’t prove because they are literally too scared to think of anything else can call someone else cowardly 💀

[@camcam8995]

You know he wasn’t listening when Forrest said Roland heals people with magical powers and he just said “yeah yeah” then moved on😂

[@buckwild9168]

Roland the Closet Goblin is my new D&D character. He will have the wish spell when he is high enough level, and he will love long sandwiches.

[@whispersmith]

Could Roland make a sandwich so long that he himself could not eat it

[@TheBox225]

I've never clicked a video so fast!! I always wondered if Forrest would go on one of these shows!

[@TheTruthKiwi]

He's very good

[@melodygarrison7531]

He has his own show

[@bulkvanderhuge9006]

They should've hung up the second the caller mentioned he watched a Jordan Peterson video

[@AntifascistAllDay]

All Hail Roland. 🙏🏼 Amen.

[@chriswhalley5166]

I've seen Roland...err Well I believe. I have.. He is In my closet.. when it disappears from Roland's it turns up in mine.. But.. I dare. Not look... Because.. It might not be true... And I couldn't cope😢

[@cambriaofthevastoceans6721]

"Start with your answer and choose your evidence to fit. Special pleading. Unfounded assertions."

[@JPPan-hq6le]

Nicholas says he cares about finding the truth but he demonstrates he clearly doesn't. I am glad the hosts pointed this out

[@Rage867]

Dude gets so frustrated and straight up just says I wish you would just believe me, but can't understand why nobody else would believe something with no evidence. He literally cannot phathom he could he wrong.

[@snooganslestat2030]

Sounds like a lot of callers, they get stumped when people wont just go along with what they're saying.

[@TheTruthKiwi]

Yup. Can't lose that eternal half-life in the retirement village in the sky.

[@arakusband]

My two favorite ACA hosts at the top of their game here. They handled all of the caller's logical fallacies with incredibly calm and rational counters and were still respectful, even they didn't hesitate to call out the BS. This is probably one of my favorite clips.

[@robb3210]

I am an Atheist and I dont have a disproportionate fear of death. I do however look bothways before I cross the road.

[@NekoMouser]

Holy crap! Someone actually defined Occam's Razor correctly! Beautiful!

[@MiguelMorales-iz1dp]

Yes! Roland the closet goblin makes another appearance! Thank you Forrest.

[@stephennichols6309]

I need a sticker or a t-shirt with Roland the Closet Goblin on it. That is gold? 😂😂😂

[@Kraftbrew]

Name one religion that doesn’t claim it is true. They literally all do.

[@JeffreydeKogel]

Nicholas' answer to "when is it time to believe something" is obviously "always, unless it actually makes sense, then never."

[@VanHalenIsolated]

Second comment sorry. My uncle also asked, “Why would these apostles die for their beliefs?” Then I asked him: “Why did the people drink the poison koolaid in Jones Town or why do some radical Muslims die 💣 for their beliefs?” Does it make it any more true?

[@IsaacHarris]

This started out as a productive call, then Nicholas started falling back on stereotypes and attitude. I honestly hope he calls back if he can reconsider the preconceptions he seems to have, though.

[@phrozenwun]

Stop believing contradictions and your life will become demonstrably better. If you believe in an eternal supreme creator that is sufficient to the foundation of reality, then you believe in a contradiction. If you believe in a god that is both absolutely just and forgiving, then you believe in a contradiction. If you believe in a god that wants to know you but remains perfectly hidden, then you believe in a contradiction. Stop believing in contradictions.

[@MJspaceH]

“That’s insane.” Glob I loved that.

[@benjaminmadrigalperez9010]

Caller: if a god exists Then he would be very powerful and you should be afraid of him. Also caller: you are cowards who are afraid of what you don't know!!!!

[@AfoteyAnnum]

This level of religious indoctrination is sad AF honestly.

[@billw2126]

Have you thought about adding a psychologist to these discussions? Might be able to find some deeper (but still illogical) reasons to explain why the caller believes in the christian god. Great conversations fellas, very reasonable and fair.

[@marlin6668]

Roland the closet goblin has touched my life.

[@25756881]

That goblin died for my sines and cosines.

[@Julian0101]

Now starts the real debate, was the caller a troll or was he for real?

[@Nocturnalux]

I lean toward troll. Not so much because of what he said, as very deranged have called into the show and odds are most were for real, but because there have been enough calls that follow the pattern of ‘hi, my name is so-and-so and I just came from church’ that turned out to be trolls. Also, I found it a bit strange how when asked why he believes, he starts a sentence- stops- and goes for ‘gambled my soul to Satan at age 6’. And the unnecessary detail- several times he mentioned a particular state- is something liars often do. Of course, it does not mean this guy is a troll. I just get ‘Stone Church’ vibes from the caller.

[@DuetJay]

There are some subtle clues that he was a troll, but it was a super close call. He wasn't far off from things genuine callers say.

[@TheSnoeedog]

both; wart on the nose, goat-hating, under-bridge dweller...and a mouthbreather to boot

[@Reno_Slim]

Accepting the argument for the utility of faith would require me to gaslight myself and I have no idea how that could be accomplished.

[@lnsflare1]

His beliefs lead to him donating money to the Catholic Church, which has a pretty big negative effect on society.

[@digbycrankshaft7572]

And donating money to multi-millionaire evilgelical protestant "preachers" so they can buy a second luxury jet whilst condemning the most vulnerable minorities in society is good? Mmmh.

[@hoytoy100]

Good call nick. Very reasoned and rational.

[@vizzini2510]

LOl! Good use of sarcasm.

[@samcero]

Nicholas conflates morality, truth, and utility and uses them interchangeably. If one lily pad sinks he'll just hop on the other lily pad.

[@cwallcw]

28:13, you can hear the wind come out of caller’s sails.

[@flowersbloominginspring2998]

He quoted Hannah Montana 😂😂 “Nobody’s Perfect, I gotta work it, again and again until I get it right”

[@wynlewis5357]

Don't think Nicholas will be calling into this show again ! His faith in God may be strong but when confronted with critical thinking, it all came tumbling down.

[@vinnymarchegiano]

Nicholas, you have not lived a crazy life...What a little female puppy!

[@squatter2983]

He literally said he should be afraid of his (all loving , mind you) god!!!

[@thedeadmoneyallstars]

I see "Roland" - I click the video. Simple as that 😂

[@taramahoney3998]

Nicholas harbors "Blind Faith"!

[@ARoll925]

I just rewatched this, and noticed when Nicholas started saying " i lived a crazy life, i saw demons, and exorcism etc." and genuinely thought those were good arguments and proved his point, when in reality it made him sound even more ridiculous and mentally unwell

[@MichaelJohnson-kq7qg]

The problem with the utilitarian argument is that it can't differentiate between conflicting beliefs. It also can't argue for any specific set of belief. In fact quite the opposite - of utility is the metric, you should believe WHATEVER is most useful in a given set of circumstances.

[@wholefoodplantbasedmama5398]

This guy is total nuts!

[@kuroiryu9434]

How long until I can buy Roland the closet goblin merch?

[@FrankieIpp]

This is a troll call, he makes a Hannah Montana reference at 31:00 Edit: "Nobody's perfect, I gotta work it, again and again"

[@rrpostalagain]

Went over my head. What was it?

[@FrankieIpp]

@@rrpostalagain nobody's perfect, I gotta work it, again and again

[@ED-le1pr]

So if someone from any other religion gave him the sleeping bag, he would become believer of that religion. Including the believer that believes in a goblin. LOL

[@Nymaz]

Nicholas: "God is good." Also Nicholas: "I should be afraid of God." Which is it? Sounds like your faith in the first proposal isn't so sound.

[@queezle4277]

"I should be afraid of god but atheists are cowards." Theist logic

[@JeremyWinfreeDev]

Guy's so dense he's gonna turn into a black hole. Rolland help him!

[@TheSnoeedog]

that ship has long since sailed....he's in the white hole phase

[@bootskanchelsis3337]

This guys descent into condescension during the conversation shows that he is indeed a Jordan Peterson listener.

[@notexturefound2376]

ALL HAIL ROLLAND THE CLOSET GOBLEN!!!!!!!

[@stevenswitzer5154]

Thats goblin! Dont be blasphemous

[@russellh9894]

Great video

[@Mr.PeabodyTheSkeptic]

I have given out blankets, money, clothes and food to homeless people. I've seen people with fish on the back of their cars drive right past a person with a sign ,'Vietnam vet. Hungry. Anything will help.' I turned around and bought a meal from McDonald's to give him. I to was a Catholic. Stopped the fantasy con decades ago. My parents would take me and my family to miracle sites in Louisiana, Florida, Iowa and Minnesota to name a few. Many people there were sincere about seeing things. I was a kid. I wasn't a skeptic. I wanted to believe what my parents believe because I love them dearly. I saw nothing. I was an alter boy, in choir, taught CCE, attend numerous retreats and overnight novinas, spent 12 years in Catholic schools. Nothing. As grew up I still saw nothing. Wasn't looking for it. But there was no reason. I don't hate my parents or their faith(althouh the church is grift and criminal himan abuse ring). I believe they believe. And what I saw were two great people helping people because they are good people I now have run several successful businesses. Which I hope my employees appreciate. I'm happy I play a snall part in feeding their families. Now I'm semi-retired and have been running a dog rescue for years. All this with no god required. I had tough times just like anyone but not once did I ask for divine intervention. THAT sounds like cowardice to me.

[@jesperjee]

Soo...Nicholas chose between "being afraid of death" and "being afraid of god?" That actually make sense...as one of those things is real and the other isn't.

[@FS-lw6sq]

Go to MO and ask anyone to “show you” anything. Good luck.

[@artistjoh]

He talks about his god being the source of morality. He then says that if his god exists he has to fear it and submit to it. That kind of morality is how the mafia operates. We have laws against that kind of stand-over thugs because it's only morality is immorality. It is also noticeable that he said he fears and submits to his god. Sounds like cowardice to me. yet claims that it is atheists who live in fear and are cowards. I can tell you this Nicholas, who lies about being with demons, if the god you describe does exist it is a piece of sh*t for requiring you to submit. It is a god that needs to be spat at, not worshipped. But then, since your god's supposed rules in your bible, permit and encourage racism, slavery, infanticide, genocide, murder, prostitution, misogyny and homophobia then that immoral piece of invisible thuggery is the most harmful thing inb the universe. Fortunately, not real, so don't care about the god. OTOH, I have a real problem with the theists that try to introduce theist immorality into classrooms and laws. But apart from that I am fine with your beliefs.

[@snooganslestat2030]

I have no problem submitting, I just dont agree with it being done because of fear! 🤣

[@artistjoh]

@@snooganslestat2030 There was a time when I would have been relatively sanguine about the submission thing, but the last couple of decades have taught me that it is a problem. Firstly, radical Islam has given us too many believers who submit to the point where they strap bombs to their body, or fly aircraft into buildings Surely these people should be thinking independently of the and instead of submitting to the religious mania of the moment and the obvious immorality in killing innocents. In the US there has been a problem in which evangelicals have been supporting autocratic overturning of a democratically elected new administration. While it is easy to blame those onn the looney fringe, like Qanon, Proud Boys, etc, it is frightening how many normal everyday evangelicals have supported the insurrection, and all the immorality of the violence that was part of assaulting the Capitol on January 6th. I think at least part of the problem is that hard core evangelicals are so invested in the concept of Jesus as a spiritual king, that they have to submit to dictates of the god, and they buy into the essentially racist concept of a "chosen people," that they are primed to support those with autocratic tendencies. We also have the situation with Ukraine in which Patriarch Kirill has been strongly encouraging the invasion of Ukraine as if it is a holy war. Kirill has a huge influence over Russian Orthodox believers and these people appear to not be questioning why their church leader is advocating genocide in Ukraine. Instead they submit to him as the representative of god on Earth. I can cite theists strongly opposing every major moral issue of the last 200 years as their church leaders cite scripture in opposition to doing the right thing. This was true of slavery, of giving women the vote, and legalising homosexuality, which is an ongoing battle. However, the most heinous thing is reading the chroniclers of the Crusades. These people with usually monks, and would have considered themselves good people, submitting to the wishes of god. After the Crusaders had massacred 6,000 women and children in one city, the chronicler wrote that he wept with joy at being able to walk ankle deep in the blood of these victims, because, he said, in killing them the soldiers of god had saved them from a life of sin. Throughout history we see so much injustice caused by submission to the current religious belief, and so much of it is associated with submitting to dogma rather that saying "wait a minute, I refuse to submit to these horrors. There is a better morality than that found in the religion, and I refuse to submit. Refusing to submit is all to often the only right thing to do.

[@ARoll925]

It is incredible how Nicholas genuinely thinks that just saying these platitudes from church/sunday school are anything other then claims, he thinks they are somehow arguments for his god, it is amazing