Nick Mallet, Schalk Burger & Gcobani Bobo react to Rassie Erasmus ban

Before the England vs Springboks match, the guys shared their thoughts on Rassie Erasmus' ban from World Rugby...

[@albertvanvuuren3890]

Nic Barry had private discussions with Lions before 1st Test. Zero investigation into that. Why.

[@soidog659]

Dave Rennie has just publically critized the ref and tmo after Australia loss to Wales.

[@husky701sm6]

I wonder if anything will happen to Rennie for saying that?

[@tandinorval180]

I saw that, super interested to see how World Rugby respond….

[@mjribes]

@@tandinorval180 Yeah, especially given Rennie has been nominated at coach of the year.

[@dr.curryputshersexyglasses4317]

Rennie didn’t make a two hour long fucking video crying about the refs

[@johnritchie4801]

@@dr.curryputshersexyglasses4317 So there is a time limit now Pity some one did not tell Rassie up front what his time limit was' FYI it was a 1 hour video and WR acknowledged 23 of the 26 point he made Pretty fucked up when a Ref Fucks up that Badly in a major match such as that.

[@boerbull1443]

Systems must be put in place to hold referees accountable. To many games (this weeks one included) have determined by the reffs bias.

[@pietjanjou1398]

Wonder if Dave Rennie will also get sanctioned for calling the officials horrendous and specifically attacking Marius Jonker for his TMO decision.

[@kevinpillay6103]

To be fair to Rennie the Aussies were cheated like I have never seen. If we think Berry was bad this was horrendous. Jonker for so long has been pathetic at officiating so why give him elite level games. But that Scottish ref was a nightmare. This is disgraceful beyond compare.

[@tiaancloete5133]

He's not from South Africa so he should be fine...

[@Bokgat]

@@tiaancloete5133 haha yes. The Australasian (colonies) and British nations seem to get away with murder. Then theirs the French fucking refs lol

[@kevinpillay6103]

@@Bokgat he didn't do an hour long video highlighting every desicion against his team. If this was against SA we would have 1 weeks worth of video analysis. You needd to understand even if Erasmus was mostly correct in his analysis he did this the wrong way. He should have stepped down as DOR and then did what he liked. Unfortunately there are rules even if the IRB are a bunch of stiffs. You open up pandoras box if one can keep complaining and highlighting refs like SA fans and media do. Hopefully IRB do get the message soon though as refs ruined the game. After all Jonker is from SA but he blatantly cheats on TV

[@Bokgat]

Jeez it’s nice listening to Schalk rather than that blow hard habana

[@garthfairfield8043]

Players and coaches are heavily attacked in the media for bad results so why are the referee's so precious. This should happen more and the refs might actually pull finger

[@gurucartel3422]

The implication was it racially motivated. And because of that the ref and his family received death threats... He had a shocker but his family shouldn't be attacked or racial connotations shouldn't implied unless there is evidence and then it should be done through the right channels.

[@inBODwetrust13]

@@gurucartel3422 maybe Berry shouldn't have so blatantly mistreated Kolisi in favour of AWJ if he didn't want to be accused of bias and potential discrimimation

[@blakestunts]

Because that’s what makes this sport so special. We respect the decision of the ref as part of the code of conduct we all sign up to when we enter the field.

[@davidclowes2280]

I think a big point is missed or avoided is WR communication and them being lazy at giving feedback. They haven't taken any responsibility and proved Rassie right for getting soooo frustrated. There we have emotional pain🙃

[@Eurynomos326]

I think Rassie over-stepped a little, but I think they forced his hand. I think Rassie genuinely tried to handle things in a better way, and it got him nowhere. I would've done the same thing if I had the guts and brains that Rassie has.

[@evanelledev7237]

In the pages of findings not the head of refs, nor Berry had any negative response when they saw the video. The head even complimented Rassie on the video. The problem was that it was released to the public, probably by someone viewing the link in Australia or England...

[@JF12702]

My question is what sanction does Berry face for basically costing the springboks the game. Answer.: none

[@cullyx2913]

Agree with Sculla.,Eben and Siya not getting nominated is a disgrace

[@Torqradio]

As a lawyer I feel that there is a procedural irregularity here. Disciplinary hearings and sanctions hearings follow the same form as criminal proceedings. There are two phases. The first is the question of guilt ie was Rassie guilty of contravening the rules. This question is simply a comparison of what he did with what the rules are. Once it is established that Rassie did contravene the rules that is the end of the first question, ie the question of guilt. The second question is "What is the appropriate sanction?". All aggravating and mitigating circumstances should be taken into account to come to a correct decision as to the appropriate sanction. The negative effect on Rassie's actions on Nick Berry's reputation and his family life were front and centre for the panel and yet they came to the conclusion that the question of whether Rassie's criticism was right or wrong was irrelevant to the inquiry. That is irrational and procedurally unfair. The accuracy of his comments must be a relevant mitigating factor when it comes to deciding the appropriate sanction.

[@markwillies4330]

I agree wholeheartedly with you but it seems like these rugby judicial bodies throw up decisions by lawyers who probably earned their degrees by watching Law and Order and other TV shows.A lot of these jokers are QCs but you wouldnt think so sometimes. I'm curious to know how they dealt with Erasmus' claim that he only sent the video to people in the loop ie for official purposes only and was not responsible for its leak. What proof did they have to the contrary and if there was none how could his actions be deemed to be naughty.

[@gurucartel3422]

Thank you guys... It's the first balanced perspective I've heard from SA commentators... You guys are right, applying the law he's guilty... Let's fix the problems it's highlighted

[@truthminister5828]

Fix this you idiot kzbin.info/www/bejne/nGbCdZupa7iMnJI

[@gurucartel3422]

​@@truthminister5828 Refs make mistakes.... all the time. Other teams get bad calls too. Stop being a moaning bitch. South Africa had plenty of chances to win the match. They should have won the match. They didn't because of their own performance... not because of the ref. Own it. Schalke owned the situation with Rassie and recognized that you can have bad ref calls, they make bad decisions it's not personal. Can you?

[@Thegrumpycoach]

No convoluting verbal meanderings from Mr. Burger, everything was eloquently stated and sound but arguably logical.

[@tokollodamons985]

Post your thoughts on the match, goodness SuperSports is so slow, this is the technological age, media is the footprint, get with the damn program already

[@lewissypher2595]

Mallet mentioned it. Th whole video was out of frustration for arrogance of Berry not responding rest of weekemd. And WR having nothing but “ un 6N it’s tues !!!” WR is rudderless bankrupt ship with Capt Beaumont at helm.

[@theogrove5668]

My problem with this whole issue is, more often than other top teams, the Springboks get the bad end of poor refereeing. In the past we mostly "shut-uped" about it to our own detriment. I my view that is BS, the reffs are not to be placed on a pedestal and be un-touchable. If they messed up it must be made clear and open in the public domain. If not, that's what will bring the game into disrepute, nothing else. Yes maybe Rassie should have tried a more procedurally correct approach, but the fact are the facts, the ref had a piss poor game and why should that not be made "officially Public". The reffs are not holy and above criticism.

[@godpuzzled]

I wonder if there isnt a committee needed to investigate corruption like in the Fifa incident.

[@jabznxumalo5705]

My God will never forget 2011 wc Bryce Lawrence incident aswell😂😂

[@Th3Toppi3]

"It took a tremendous amount of time before this came out...." and came out just before the England game - how fortuitous is that!

[@randups]

I think this was blown way outa proportion.

[@barbaradyson6951]

Who says. SA players are dirty players.

[@joshuataylor3550]

Yeah, you can blame Rassie for that.

[@derekreed6798]

Nice to see such impartial reporting.

[@MrAvw777]

Schalk's point at the end is 100% referees should just own up and take responsibility, all are human and mistakes will happen just take responsibility for it and get better. There are allot of time TMO's can easily help the on field reff, they working as a team so help each other getting the calls right!

[@bundubeard]

I'd het together with Southern Hemisphere teams and talk about quitting WR. Time for a fresh start. Time for the old farts to go. We need a dynamic new way of managing the sport that excludes politics, ridiculous rules and singular powerful individuals making calls.

[@ecallk5544]

Along with the European, Asian and USA teams. Believe the French are equally fed up with British control of rugby.

[@pops2125]

We support Rassie

[@frikkievarkpiel5854]

Yes nowadays, if the criminal complains louder than the victim, the criminal goes free and the victim gets punished. And what about Gatland accusing Marius Jonker on possibly being dishonest and biased in future. Where's World Rugby on that?

[@wesleycoetzee7136]

Sounds all very soft and diplomatic, no wonder SA Rugby gets walked over with these guys carrying the torch for us. Not saying Keohane levels of outrage but atleast grow a pair

[@youcrybaby.6488]

Dont you see all these losers are getting woke. Cant lift an opion or even a fact and all these fcks will meltdown. Even in real life. People cant handle facts

[@georgettetai6994]

NRL drop refs to lower grade games when they make mistakes that change the outcome of a game. So...?

[@mikew8557]

Exactly mate.

[@charlesskeen8485]

Sit almal te bangat om die waarheid te ondersteun.

[@selekolela8805]

This is why I dont support rugby anymore, it's a washout. Has been for a long time.

[@pigslefats]

"Transparency and Accountability" Now that's what we need from the ANC and the Government. Not holding my breath

[@sakabula1285]

Berry for your character to be assassinated you need to have character in the first place

[@davidcrampton1349]

How can Nick Mallett justify punishing someone who criticises a ref?

[@pauldombroski608]

I support Rassie because world rugby is slowly killing rugby as a spectacle with padantic rules. After some of the officiating in the last few years all I can think off is Indian bookmakers or world rugby is determining the outcome of games, a good example from the SA vs Eng. game 62nd minute high tackle on Etzibeth, direct contact to the head with force and only a penalty when it should have been a red card. Bill Baumont and world rugby should be held to account but I won’t hold my breath

[@СлаваРоссия-у7ж]

World Rugby should do a better job at vetting referees instead of focusing on Rassie. Andrew Brace's performance at Twickenham was a disgrace. He shouldn't be allowed to officiate any high level rugby.

[@kennethesterhuizen1624]

I don’t agree with Nick and Schalk Rassie was not wrong..!!!

[@joshuataylor3550]

Saffas have collective delusion.

[@iansmit1344]

Yes Rassie was wrong....forsure

[@davidpearn2484]

Every rugby playing country, would love to have Rassie as head coach, absolutely brilliant coach and human being.

[@MrDumile]

The empire strikes back....we knew it was coming.

[@myronalcock4716]

Schalk is still MotM - his closing comments is the way forward.

[@arnoldbtful]

They planned it perfectly

[@christiangerhardt2408]

We beat the lions.....bottom line.

[@albertvanvuuren3890]

Nic and Schalk. You protect your job with your Rassie reaction. The WR structure has to be looked at. Misconduct.. no ways. WR = Antagonistic towards SA.

[@benrawson007]

Rassie privately emailed the referee and threatened him. That's what the ban is for. If you think that is ok then I think your moral compass is off.

[@mygoogle1482]

Wow I wasn’t expecting this. Balanced driven by the interests of the broadest rugby playing community and realistic. He had to be punished he should serve his time and be allowed back in with open arms. Rugby needs coaches like Erasmus. There’s much hope with sanity as displayed as clearly the refs are vital, so need to be inside not outside the changes.

[@matthysgrobler9615]

To see and listen to people i have respected for so long that have sold out to esure their pocket makes me nausious!!!

[@TipOfAfrica0010]

They just stating THEIR views, its not a sell out - why does it have to be the same as yours..

[@matthysgrobler9615]

@@TipOfAfrica0010 get head out!!!! They are stating what they are allowed to ! But you wont see it i know!!! Like i said, get your head out!!!

[@TipOfAfrica0010]

@@matthysgrobler9615 You know nothing, yours is just an opinion - nothing more. Your opinion is just that..an opinion - not facts !

[@matthysgrobler9615]

@@TipOfAfrica0010 and YOU keep on revealing your ignorence !!!

[@stephansmit5810]

I dont agree Nick. The referee has a job to do. Not plus minus,but 100%. Apart from doing a job a referee needs to be consistent to both teams. So this is my point any action creates a reaction. The severity depends on the incompetency or competency. World rugby bacauce the referee's is crown game appointed by world rugby has not fulfilled its duty to do a job 100% and neither has they been consistently and therefor raped the laws of the game and negatively impact world rugby and put the game in disrepute by doing so. So world rugby dont want to take responsibility. But they instigated a case against RE and punished him So the verdict is rules for me but not for thee. Is this rugby.Thanks but no thanks.

[@Video-se4bh]

Good day Supersport, you was supposed to support Rassie but it is why so much people cansel their dstv because of people like the panel, I like schalk but he was supposed to stand up for Rassie,

[@gavinrich7162]

Panel is wrong....Rassie had full right to do what he did. The process to address these types of things, put in place by WRugby, has never worked, so waht do you do ???? Keep on following a flawed process. WRugby think they are God, they need to be put in their place. They are not bigger than the game.

[@skaap02]

What absolute nonsense. Respect you guys but you totally missed the point. So when apartheid was in pre 94 it was not ok to criticize it because that was the law. The law can be wrong and we have 1000's of examples over many years how the law can be wrong and then we need somebody to challange the law. You guys normally have balls, what happened now?

[@Juiced10111]

And what will happen to the ref? Something fishy going on here.

[@nashidanthony481]

Did I miss the part where World Rugby provided the evidence that Rassie leaked the video?

[@benrawson007]

He got banned for privately emailing the referee and threatening him.

[@wot4922]

For the fans, our team, coach or DOR is NEVER wrong🤣🤣🤣👊🇿🇦

[@justice1902]

I agree with Nick Mallet, Nic Berry had a really poor game as a referee.

[@neil.jpetersen5579]

Mallet still lives in apartheid,he should fock back to England where he were born,I don't care what he said.

[@dennisjeffs4239]

Sorry Nick but I don't agree with 90% of what you said. As a South African you should be supporting Rassie who was only saying what most of us believe, Beaumont and International Rugby are so out of touch. You have referees making bad decisions, stopping the game to call in his two assistants, then the TMO who half the time is clueless but telling the ref what to do. Bring back Nigel Owens, he was the best ref ever!!

[@tiaancloete5133]

Nigel retired sadly, but i think he should be head of a independent panel of people who selects and monitors officials performances in matches.

[@fomofud9479]

You guys just don't get it. Nick is 100% spot on. Rassie broke the laws, when you break the laws, there are consequences, it's that simple. The IRB are rubbish and there needs to be changes but that's a whole different matter altogether

[@brendangoosen]

Huh. He broke the rules, there are consequences and legally binding. So it is right that Rassie receives what is due to him. BUT what Nick is saying is WR never argued what Rassie proposed in the first place. Instead focussing only on what was in breach of contract. What Rassie says is completely correct. But is he allowed to say it, no. Not publicly anyway. Is WR wrong yes and should Refs be held accountable probably. Everyone says the ref was impartial and reffed the game in an unbiased manner. From my perspective he only started going after Englands repeated infringements when there wasn't much time left AND when England had momentum shift and could afford the loss of a player. However if I was a ref in that situation I would be under enormous pressure to not piss off the stadium full of England supporters who paid good money to see England take down the World Champs. What do you do? You wait for momentum to change, don't piss off the crowd and make sure the players make it clear and obvious that they leave him no choice but to send a player off. So it is tough, but is it? When the ref is dictating what he saw and what he is going to go with and the contributions from other officials is mere side show I think we have a problem. He definitely new the script yesterday. Im not sad we only lost by 1 point at Twickenham at the end of a long season. Not at all.

[@jacquesliebenberg1843]

The problem is: the games are tight. One “bad” call changes the outcome. Any in any testmatch there are “50/50” calls (and the public should accept ref’s judgment) , as well as plain and simple wrong calls. The reason why refs are not kept “accountable” is because if they”admit” to a wrong decision that altered the outcome on the Sunday, it will not (can not) change anything… Hence - we need to revolutionise the way the game is officiated, not get the refs to accept blame without it being able to alter match outcomes. WR needs to be creative to reduce the human factor. Give captains review opportunities as in tennis. It will slow the game - but I dont see any other way.

[@renewablefuelsanalyst8263]

its like corrupt politicians when their corruption is pointed out, then they always go after the whistleblowers!

[@robert8552]

How can the rugby supporting public have any respect for the IRB. It's not Rassie that has been tried here, but the lazy, brandy-swilling, louts of the IRB. They've been shown up to be incapable of heading an international body for a game that is loved and enjoyed by millions.

[@fomofud9479]

What don't you understand, Rassie broke the law, when you brake the law then there are consequences, it's that simple. However, I agree, the IRB are rubbis, there needs to be changes but that's a different matter altogether

[@robert8552]

@@fomofud9479 Just read that Aus coach Rennie lambasted the ref in their game against Wales for poor officiating. Did he not also ''break' the law?? Yip you're darn right I don't bloody understand. And on the subject: Gatland -Br and I Lions, had his piece to say on the choice of Jonker as TMO during their tour of SA. Anything happen to him?? Double standards!

[@fomofud9479]

@@robert8552 if you actually read the charges against Rassie which clearly you have not you'd understand that comparing what Rennie did to what Rassie did is not only mind numbingly stupid but also mind numbingly idiotic. Take your blinkers off, this victim mentality of Bok supporters like you is embarrassing to the rest of us that actually get it.

[@albertvanvuuren3890]

WR rules. Refs protected no matter what. Going for long time. Not acceptable.

[@James.Gnostic.Galahad]

Does Schalk Burger have a university qualification? I thought that he is a great speaker.

[@davidheuvel6413]

I am a diehard Stormers and Bokke fan. Always took Schalk as this brute force that may not be that bright, but his intellect and insight is so impressive.

[@James.Gnostic.Galahad]

@@davidheuvel6413 me too. He is so eloquent and intelligent in his sayings.

[@astro_lazar]

Guees how fair the ref was with Sa vs england😑

[@contrarian717]

Good video thanks!

[@louisk6351]

What's WR view on freedom of speech. No freedom and the quality of rugby will slowly but surely die. WR cannot solve this problem, clearly there is a big problem for world rugby

[@tpkorea6c]

The timing of World Rugby before a big game at the end of the year making this is wrong and very unprofessional. They should resign and stop acting like "gods." Refs must pay for their mistakes, and Rassie was maybe not following laws, but when will this stupidity with bad refs stop? It get s worse and maybe they must allow refs who played rugby before to become refs and not these baby face boys who wants to be on TV

[@ciaranhickey5904]

Is he still banned?

[@zozijunia6755]

Well deserved it. Rassie must pay tht money from his pocket not from our taxpayers money from #SARU budget 💔

[@andrewfarquhar5290]

England was able to win because the referee turned a blind eye to far to many serious mistakes committed while against South Africa, the referee spotted every mistake. Sack the referees who failed in a few international games played last weekend.

[@PopPo-rq5nb]

Turned a blind eyed yet still awarded 18 penalty against England

[@heyeksay]

Democratise rugby, 1 country 1 vote! #billbeaumontmustgo

[@charlesskeen8485]

Wat sê hulle na die wedstryd

[@fthedems7547]

Matchfixing

[@terrymoore5663]

Which other Countries are complaining. None! Time for SA to take their ball and go play with themselves

[@eddieman145]

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[@jacovdmerwe2655]

So the experts miss the entire point. 12 years ago, the Australian and English boards started with manipulation of rules in oder to make objective rules subjective and the opinion of a ref. The result is that matches can be manipulated. The old farts will never capitulate on effing rugby to suit the incompetent Australian &English teams. Now these so-called experts jump on the bandwagon and do not address the real issue. The deliberate move by the old farts to elevate the opinion of a ref above fair competition, has now evolved into protection of idiots rather than to admit their one-sided effing of the rules should be reversed to objective rules being applied so that no individual would negatively influence any game. Yet, if so, their pathetic teams cannot feature, and that they will never accept. So, bulshit refereeing is here to stay in the hopes that ausierules and English rugby would suffer at increased support of union. This will also never happen, and the bottom line is rugby union has been irrevocably effed for no benefit to anyone. Talking about morals, world rugby are the last to comment, but yet Mal Ed and company will still support the old farts. So much for the so-called experts.

[@boipelomogogole8316]

Free Russie

[@Bokgat]

Why do they have an affirmative action black woman on the panel

[@sachinbangaru737]

#SanctionRennie

[@zozijunia6755]

Ban him for lifetime in sport. Rassie brings politics in SPORT NOW.

[@henryburton6529]

Got off with a slap on the wrist. It’ll just encourage more of this form of cheating.

[@allanmacbadger5692]

Should have banned him for longer