Can You Cross London WITHOUT ENTERING Zone 1 or 2?

[@thetransporthub]

If you do it without entering zone 2/3 the quickest way I can think of is: Crews Hill - Stevenage Stevenage - Peterborough Peterborough - Birmingham New Street Birmingham New Street - Reading Reading - Redhill Redhill - Coulsdon South I can see why you've included zone 2/3 Nick!

[@mudchute4dlr]

if you wanted, you could go to harringay > harringay green lanes > barking rv'side > woolwich royal arsenal (riverboat) > continue with the route used in this video, but i dont know if riverboat counts this could potentially be faster but i dont know edit: turns out lewisham is in 2/3, so the only alternative is to change at dartford, hither green and st mary cray to get to beckenham jct where you can get tromlank

[@airbusa351]

Via Catford Bridge? Jk

[@anthonytull1611]

Caterham is further south than Coulsdon South.

[@melodydunn1]

⁠@@mudchute4dlrwhere you can get the TRAMLINK!!! Not tromlink😮

[@mudchute4dlr]

@@melodydunn1 oh no i purposely called it tromlank but ok

[@VexSG]

Catford Bridge

[@Trainfan24W]

catford bridge

[@Thetransitchannel-bw3vu]

Hmmm you guys aren’t considering Catford bridge

[@grapejuice116]

C a t f o r d b r i d g e

[@garrygreen3210]

I think Catford Bridge deserves a shout out.

[@cloverisfan818]

Stepford Bridge

[@katrinabryce]

Head north to Peterborough, Cross Country to Leicester / Birmingham / Reading / Basingstoke / Southampton, you won't get a direct service, I'm not sure where you will need to change. Southern to Brighton then head north on Southern or Thameslink to Coulsdon South That I think avoids any out of station interchanges.

[@nathanw9770]

You'd change at Birmingham New St and then get a train to Southampton or Basingstoke. You can also go from Basingstoke to Wimbledon and then Wimbledon to East Croydon on the tram instead of making the long trek through Hampshire and Sussex.

[@abdullahsarker3595]

It doesn't qualify as crossing London if you bypass it entirely LOL 😂😂😂

[@katrinabryce]

@@abdullahsarker3595 If you want to avoid "Zone 2/3", then you have to. The furthest North you can re-enter London is Feltham, which you could do from Reading.

[@petermichaelgreen]

Regarding routes without "out of station interchanges". If you allow "zone 2/3" stations and only avoid pure zone 2 stations then it's possible to do Crews hill -> Stevenage -> Cambridge -> Tottenham hale -> Stratford -> Woolwhich arsenal -> Elmers end -> Wimbledon -> Tulse hill -> Coulsdon south. (I avoided changing at east crodon because, while it's shown as a direct interchange on the map, the tram stop is not really part of the station, unlike elmers end and wimbledon) If you avoid the "zone 2/3" stations" then going round the east side seems to be simply impossible. So we have to go round the west side. We can do slightly better than katrina's route by using the southern service from Reading to Gatwick, cutting out Basingstoke/Southhampton/Brighton and we could use Nuneaton to Leamington spa to cut another small corner off at the cost of an extra interchange, but it's still an extremely roundabout route.

[@ccityplanner1217]

You cannot use trams because trams are part of the bus fare zone. You would be charged a zone 3-6 train journey, a bus journey & a zone 5-6 train journey. To avoid the trams, bail at Catford Bridge, 🚆 Catford - Shortlands - Beckenham Jn. - Crystal Palace - Norwood Jn. - Coulsdon.

[@ks2091]

Or Lewisham - Petts Wood - Penge East - OSI to Penge West - Norwood Junction - East Croydon - Coulsdon South

[@officialmcdeath]

Best Catford Bridge reference \m/

[@RossParker1877]

Thank you for making it feel like 2017 railway youtube again Nick and Nat

[@NickBadley]

Glad you like it :)

[@adamchubb6910]

How did you comment 1 day ago?

[@RossParker1877]

​@@adamchubb6910 Magic 🎩

[@ItsUniqueTiger]

Hes a member ​of the channelso he has early access @@adamchubb6910

[@BMWM5sarecool]

@@NickBadleyare you every gonna do lecister to Birmingham or Birmingham to lecister by train

[@Someone36991]

Point to point idea: Mill Hill (Blackburn) - Mills Hill (Greater Manchester) - Mill Hill (London)

[@ryleetravels]

might have to steal this idea 😂

[@katrinabryce]

Another point to point idea (inspired by Travelling Turtle) - Hampden Park station (in Sussex) to Hampden Park stadium (in Glasgow, nearest station Mount Florida).

[@ryleetravels]

@@katrinabrycei might stick to nicks comment section for video ideas 😂😂

[@etrur2595]

@@katrinabryce Or Mount Florida to Florida

[@sprewelllim]

Greater manchester? That’s where I live lol.

[@christophermatthews6972]

Lewes to Lewis (Isle of) would be an epic point to point, although it requires a bus and a ferry in Scotland.

[@RJSRdg]

If other modes of transport are allowed, a simpler route would have been to have stayed on the GOBLIN to Barking Riverside, then boat to Woolwich.

[@Sim0nTrains]

Nice interesting journey and all sorts of traction featured in the video. PS.... Catford Bridge :p

[@fuzzysstuff9888]

the trick: 1. Take a southbound GN to Enfield Chase, then take the 307 bus to just before New Barnet, then change to the 326 to Brent Cross, then change to the 83 to Wembley Park. From Wembley Park, take the Metropolitan to Rayners Lane, the Piccadilly to Heathrow via Acton Town, and then find the SL7 to Teddington. From Teddington, take a Southwestern to Wimbledon, then the Tram to East Croydon, and you know how to go from there...

[@arpwable]

Surely don't need to go all the way to Heathrow... Wembley Park to Northwick Park, OSI walk to Kenton, Bakerloo to Willesden Junction, Overground to Richmond. Then to Wimbledon either via Teddington or via Putney and East Putney. There might be a bus route directly to the Bakerloo line rather than going via WP too, my NW London bus knowledge is limited though!

[@aeroquent]

It's a train channel, not a bus channel. Only a bus channel when rail replacement XD

[@jopu7004]

9:50 trust me Nick, 5 is a real number

[@WerewolfLord]

To be fair, 4-i² works.

[@oysterfarescentral]

Great video. I concur that zone 2/3 stations are fine for avoiding zone 2. I do however have an issue with using the trams. That requires 3 fares instead of 1. Elmers End is also a gotcha station if you don't touch the right validators. You could instead have done Clock House to Kent House and then Penge East to Penge West for an entirely rail option. As long as you completed it in 2hr 50m or less it would have been one fare.

[@garybroadhurst3548]

I agree, and it would have been two fares anyway as 3hrs (approx.) is over the maximum journey time. Thus even your suggestion probably would have been not much cheaper than going direct. With the third fare for the tram, probably more than direct.

[@GoranNewsum]

For those curious, it would have taken about an hour and a half going through zones 1 and 2.

[@InkItOut]

And about 3 hours if you avoid it 😂

[@Psevdonim123]

2:10 it's now The Suffocation line during summer, and also The Suffering line from 6 to 9 and from 16 to 19 (joke provided by Jago Hazzard)

[@frankhenninger7416]

Just missing two things. I know it's pointless and silly but a cost and time comparison between the direct and this route.

[@chunkyboyjames]

Well, the direct route requires 2 changes. Crews Hill to Finsbury Park on Great Northern, Finsbury Park to Blackfriars on Thameslink, then Blackfriars to Coulsdon South on Thameslink. Time wise will depend upon connections.

[@emileoliver3312]

Not using rail, but to avoid zone 2 completely you could do: Harringay - Barking Riverside Thamesclipper to Woolwich Arsenal Then go Dartford - Hither Green - Orpington - Beckenham Junction Then back on the Trams

[@Leicestercityrules24]

Big fan of Nathan's vintage Leicester kit!

[@martineyles]

Whenever I have been anywhere near the Excel, I found it almost impossible to avoid the cable car. Such a tourist!

[@Eurobazz]

Very good Nick & Mrs. Badley. Now I guess you'll be travelling between Greater London's easternmost and westernmost stations without going through zones 1 and 2.

[@edwardwilliamson1]

Based on the departures board at Croydon South it looks like that took under 4 hours, which is incredible given how many trains/tubes/trams you went on

[@amedeunuabona]

It's easy to go through Z1 without paying for it ;-) I grew up in canning town, I watched the station being built as a kid. It used to be at the other side of the flyover, served by the North London Line (The Current Overground from Richmond to North Woolwich). The DLR now uses that entire stretch of track and platforms from Stratford to Canning Town. The Lizzy-line uses the stretch of track from Custom House to including the old tunnel under the Victoria Dock. It was set on fire in 1995.

[@adrianbromfild8624]

You and Natt are really going to enjoy your time down south judging by this video!

[@Jahvaa]

Good fun video

[@melodydunn1]

You can do it from east to west. Shenfield to Reading, but without using Crossrail I have the route… … Shenfield - Stratford Stratford - Canning Town Canning Town - Woolwich Arsenal Woolwich Arsenal - Lewisham Lewisham - Clock House OSI Clock House - Beckenham Road Beckenham Road - Wimbledon Wimbledon - East Putney OSI East Putney - Putney Putney - Richmond Richmond - Turnham Green Turnham Green - Ealing Broadway And finally… … Ealing Broadway - Reading. Hope you make use of these set of directions. melodydunn1 😊😊

[@SiVlog1989]

If you get the chance, I'd suggest taking a look at the weird London Necropolis station. It's weird because it was only ever used by funeral trains. Mourners would board a train at London Necropolis, travel direct to Brookwood Station, where the train would enter the cemetery grounds by means of a siding. It existed to solve the perceived problem of a lack of burial space in London. Although a commercial failure, it wasn't what led to the station being closed. During WW2, the station had a direct hit, which destroyed the station, though if you know where to look, you can see where the station entrance used to be, on Westminster Bridge Road

[@MattNav]

Awesome job as always Nick! Always love a fun quirky travel routing challenge! Also Catford Bridge 😜

[@cameronwalker5656]

Always loving the content , your commitment to making content is amazing, always a joy to watch!

[@mudchute4dlr]

2:20 i like to call to the suffering line, even though riding the line is quite the opposite of suffering, rather its quite pleasent with the 710s

[@Andrewjg_89]

I think there’s lots of ways to avoid Zones 1 & 2 in London. Or try an alternative route to avoid going into London and going outskirts of London. Just like the M25 motorway that was built as it pretty much skirts the London boundary.

[@RonCoppard]

Nick&Natt a breath of fresh air, great video well presented,an absolute delight

[@Ukraineprogaming]

In Scr 2.1 I think they should add a new station for express called bodin riverside

[@Nooticus]

Super fun video, as a Londoner, one of my all time favourites of yours

[@Thornaby37]

Certainly makes an interesting journey if you like travelling on different types of train Another challenge would be doing a full circle of London entirely in zones 3 to 6 (although you would need to use buses for part of the way)

[@QuantumPulsar]

How much were the fare savings by not entering zones 1 or 2?

[@katrinabryce]

£1.70 off peak / £1.80 peak.

[@tbgc69]

Nice Video! My grandparents live near Coulsdon South.

[@reptongeek]

Honestly I fully approve of visiting train stations. This summer I returned to London to visit the eight tube stations I didn't visit in 2022 when I attempted the Tube Challenge. Looking at the Tube map there are so many other stations on there. If I lived in London, I would so want to visit the entire map

[@jacobporrett]

Looks like you guys had fun 😊

[@epislog178]

3:29 Ow my ears

[@brilliantbuilder4228]

What a video idea. I think that you should do a similar video idea but this time from London's most west station to London's most east station again without crossing Zone 1 or 2.

[@hendrikharryg]

Nice video and a fun journey. I'm curious: Did it count as one journey and were you charged correctly? Or were you timed out by the system along the way or forgot to register an interchange?

[@officialmcdeath]

Catford Bridge is the new Mornington Crescent Also: were 'Rounder' services going direct from Slade Green to Barnehurst or Crayford not available as an option to reach Lewisham on the day of filming or have they been withdrawn now? Also: New River spotted! \m/

[@sihollett]

Harringay to Harringay Green Lanes is NOT a marked OSI on the tube map, because that's not what the dashed line between stations mean (though its the natural assumption of what it means). Luckily, it is an OSI - several of them aren't (eg St Pauls - City Thameslink, or Green Lanes - Manor House) and it is highly misleading of the map to show them because of the natural assumption that the dashed lines show interchanges...

[@InkItOut]

huh, what does the dashed line mean on the tube map then? 🤔

[@sihollett]

@@InkItOut Per the key "Under a 10 minute walk between stations"

[@Ro99]

East to west would be interesting

[@rachelblaquiere9134]

I tried my best to theory craft it but it's very difficult. Chesham to Upminster thus: - Met to Northwick Park - OSI to Kenton - Overground (DC) or Bakerloo to Willesden Junction - Overground (NL) to Richmond - SWR to Putney - OSI to East Putney - District to Wimbledon - TL to Sutton - SN to Sydenham - Overground (EL) to Penge West - OSI to Penge East - SE to Kent House - OSI to Clock House - SE to Lewisham - SE to Woolwich Arsenal - DLR to West Ham - District or c2c to Upminster 🥲😅

[@ks2091]

West to east, my best attempt: Start at Heathrow Terminal 5 Piccadilly line to Acton town District line to Turnham Green District line to Richmond SWR to Wimbledon Thameslink to Herne Hill SE to Petts Wood SE to Lewisham SE to Woolwich Arsenal DLR to West Ham District line or C2C to Upminster

[@paulqueripel3493]

@@rachelblaquiere9134 Or if you want to cut out walking between Putney to East Putney, take the Kingston loop direct to Wimbledon from Richmond?

[@wharpblast264]

Possible trains only route avoiding the tram:- Catford Bridge - Catford Catford - Shortlands Shortlands - Penge East Penge East - Penge West Penge West - Norwood Junction Norwood Junction - East Croydon etc.

[@train_blabber]

There's also a clock house-kent house OSI which avoids the random detour to shortlands

[@timothyjohnston4083]

Here's an idea : Can you cross London by rail but without going subterranean (ie: surface rail) at all ?

[@MrAustinPowers]

Can you do this totally on the tube/ underground without using national rail or overground trains

[@ccityplanner1217]

My solution before watching the video. Starting from Richmond. Normal mode: 🟠🚆 to Willesden Junction, 🟤🚇 to Stonebridge Park, 🚶 to St Raphaels South, 🚍232 to New Southgate, 🚆 to Harringay, 🚶 to Green Lanes, 🟠🚆 to Barking, 🚆 to West Ham, ⚪🚇 to North Greenwich, 🚍108 to Lewisham, 🚆 to Elmers End, 🚊 to Wimbledon 🚆(via Kingston 21) to Richmond Hard mode (stations on the boundary of zone 2 like Willesden Junction not allowed): 🟢🚇 to Gunnersbury, 🚶 to Chiswick Park 🟢🚇 to Ealing Common, 🔵🚇 to Rayners Lane, 🟣🚇 to Northwick Park, 🚍SL10 to Finchley Central, ⚫🚇 to Highgate, 🚶 to Stanhope Rd., 🚍W5 to Harringay Green Lanes, 🟠🚆 to Barking, 🚆 to West Ham, ⚪🚇 to Canning Town, 🚃 to Custom House, 🟣🚆 to Abbey Wood, 🚆 to Blackheath, 🚍202 to Catford, 🚍54 to Beckenham Junction, 🚆 to Tulse Hill, 🚆 to Wimbledon, 🚆(via Kingston 21) to Richmond.

[@michaelz.7140]

how much did it cost? how long did it take compared to the normal route?

[@davejoey]

Great video as usual Nick! Are you coming to Merseyrail for the Wirral Swan Song for the 507's on the 15th?

[@NickBadley]

Unfortunately can't as I'm busy that day :(

[@davejoey]

@@NickBadley Oh dear. I believe there will be a second day of the Swan Song on the Northern Line, but the day has not been revealed!

[@siyuanhuo7301]

@@NickBadley You should also another one for west-east (which would be Heathrow T5 to Upminster)

[@siyuanhuo7301]

@@NickBadley This btw is possible to do but you'd have to cross from the south of the city

[@helloahla239]

you mentioned tne trams zones, isn't charged same as bus journeys without any zone matters at all ?

[@Roblox_Omsi_Everyting]

nice vid nick

[@chrisneppiras9408]

Class 700 on the final leg, very nice trainset. a lot of other companies are starting to use them now.

[@katashworth41]

Ah Woolwich, a place I will be in a mere 3 ish hours (my plans are in the hands of Avanti).

[@BensTransport]

I was on a Great Northern service today which was supposed to be two 387 units running to Cambridge which had somehow identified themselves as a Thameslink class 700 running that service instead for some weird reason.

[@Nooticus]

387’s get swapped out for 700’s pretty often

[@-MapEnthusiastjj4eu]

How long did that journey take

[@srfurley]

How about going from West Drayton to Harold Wood, or is Upminster further East?

[@simonacott7583]

Nice - Any chance of doing the same station to station via west London? Also, how about West to East?

[@rpenguinboy]

This is so cool!

[@simonochana3189]

I’m showing my age now, I remember the “GOBLIN” before it was electrified. If I remember rightly, it was known as the “Kentish Town Line”

[@Eurobrasil550]

If I remember it was around the early 80s the service was diverted away from Kentish Town to Gospel Oak at the Western end.

[@officialmcdeath]

@@Eurobrasil550 correct. A matter of getting those trains out of the way of the then imminent Bed-Pan Electrics \m/

[@thegreenguy5555]

Nice video! I would suggest you go to Catford Bridge next time.

[@Pez1979]

How about for the follow up you do West to East with the same rules?

[@SB-km6fp]

Can you do it via West London next?

[@nendwr]

Not possible. Upper Holloway to Kensal Rise is in Zone 2. The most northerly station you could reach going round the west is Hatch End, the 22nd most northerly station in Greater London. Also doesn't look as fun: Hatch End, Overground (Watford DC) to Willesden Junction (2/3), Overground (NLL) to Richmond, SWR (via Kingston) to Wimbledon, Thameslink to Tulse Hill, Southern to East Croydon, Southern to Coulsdon South.

[@davejolaurencharlie]

Are you going to cover east to west as well?

[@carlainyonga7009]

I would like to go on the Trams in south London one day - never been on them before.

[@honeycomb2294]

Hey nick sorry for sayjng but just thought of a point to point Walton on thames to Walton on the naze

[@GingerLBC]

How long did this journey take?

[@ajfrostx]

Hmm, I thought Greenwich (National Rail) is in zone 2 and only Greenwich DLR is zones 2/3.

[@nutsnproud6932]

What was the fare you paid?

[@TheM0JEC]

Good fun video I need to do more travelling round London. My friend lives near King George V DLR. so not far from your route. Used to be Brixton and Blackhorse Road in the past .

[@RJSRdg]

Arguably this is going round London, not across it!

[@Ostralucia]

5:22 woah Eurovision

[@c0wqu3u31at3r]

Journey planner used to have an "avoid zone 1" option if I'm not mistaken

[@mudchute4dlr]

i dont know if thst exists but on the tfl single fare finder, it has that, it will show you the direct fare and 'avoiding zone 1 via (station name/names)'

[@timbounds7190]

Blimey, I feel exhausted just watching you! And did the ticket readers realise that you'd avoided Z1/2, or did they charge you the full whack anyway?

[@philipgay4878]

HOw about a circuit around Greater London without entering Zone 1&2 ?

[@ReubenAshwell]

Brilliant video Nick, I'll always call the Goblin line the Goblin line. Also Catford Bridge, I dunno why everyone is on about that station or what's so special about it lol.

[@UlyssesSGrantDeepfakes]

25k let’s go

[@msar7044]

Nick, where did you pick up the term kuschelig? You even pronounced the ch sound at the end correctly, which is rare for a Brit'.

[@Nooticus]

At what time in the video did he say this?

[@1trebor2024]

Are you going to do an east -west video without going into zones 1 or 2?

[@CJonestheSteam72]

Can you do it round the West side via Catford Bridge?

[@highpath4776]

Would a SuperLoop bus be quicker ?

[@Wildcard71]

New challenge: Surround London without entering the ULEZ!

[@zeyadalwahbi6304]

What’s the ULEX

[@DFandV]

Good luck lol

[@DFandV]

​@@zeyadalwahbi6304Ultra Low Emission Zone - All across London when driving ULEZ is in place since 2022 if I am not mistaken. It used to be mainly in Zone 1 and 2 at first.

[@vaguely.mundane]

fun fact - this isn't actually possible unless you are in (temporary) possession of a valid Nathan the (former) bat waver 🤯

[@InkItOut]

Yes we did it by kidnapping him with his consent so it's very valid 😂

[@Brtitishrailwayzuk]

Friendly warning the cable car is horrifying from the car

[@Inkyminkyzizwoz]

You should try doing this on an East-West axis next time

[@ashcook1471]

Stratford is very boarderline

[@tobyrhodes2507]

Could you do east to west or vice versa next?

[@F-S-G146]

Super loop bus

[@caitlinmcclare1271]

Now do East to West or v/v, that would be interesting.

[@ryleetravels]

ooo might have to nick that 😂

[@obanhenderson3203]

As someone from Catford, Catford bridge

[@gonffc]

Clock House

[@lopsidedhead]

Heath High Level to Heath Low Level without going through Cardiff Central? :P

[@ZacHollinshead]

now you should do the same thing but with east and west rather than north and south

[@Northerner_Transport_Hub]

How much did this journey cost considering you avoided Zones 1 and 2, which are the most expensive to travel in

[@NickBadley]

Unfortunately I don't know! As we used travelcards. Should have used contactless or Oyster though! Darn!

[@epislog178]

0:09 Which is owned by southern

[@deltic1964]

Well done Guys and Girls Try doing the same but on the other side u seem to go right of the Map try doing it on the left ??

[@fin720s]

i dont understand the challenge there are so many ways you can do this

[@zpodyssey]

Yess

[@malcolmfairs7752]

Deptford Bridge

[@fionaaviani-bartram3194]

omg nathan if you're seeing this i used to work in the walkers crisps factory in leicester. also i need to get you in one of my videos lol

[@danielpeters3764]

how can you let someone travel with you who has a leicester shirt on