My, my, my... The "Garrotte" isn't a Garrotte...

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[@melaniemunro6696]

You are right, it is not a garrotte. The length, handle and type of knot are not consistent with a garrotte. The construction looks more like a toggle rope, the length of cord between the loop and handle (17 inches) is very odd if the intended purpose was strangulation.

[@jw9366]

Or a turnakit. Just like they teach you in Boy Scouts.

[@brandonwest620]

Is it like what serial killer Anthony Allen shore used? Sorry but I honestly don’t know If it’s different can someone explain what difference is. I’m from England so don’t know how far away places are. But I actually thought that he might of been him because of the way she was killed. But they would of had his 🧬 also I don’t know how far away he was from the Ramsey house but also why I thought was him because he flew his 2 children away at same time frame i think to stay with relatives. Any thoughts? Stay safe everyone please

[@brandonwest620]

John Willard can you read my comment please and answer my question please if you don’t mind? Thank you

[@UndergroundSmoke]

We need more pictures of that brush from other angles,that would reveal more angular lines indicative of whittling. There's a prison interview of john wayne gacy demonstrating his use of a garrote/tournakit knot that he used if you want an example of what that would look like, that's a type that utilizes one "stick" to twist like I think they're calling this one. Definitely agree it's ultimate use and intended purpose were separate, that or it was used for multiple purposes, and some of the knots/loops were added as the crime progressed (like to strangle her then it's changed to move her body) As someone stated below it could have been used (by burke) to move her body or something, the double loops look like it was at one point intended to wrap around two parts of one thing (arms or hands) definitely good observations, all around.

[@melaniemunro6696]

Also the size of the handle, 4.5 inches across... does this seem small for a handle a grown up might be comfortable grabbing? I am a small female my palm is around 3 inches across, if my palm were much bigger the broken pieces on either end would be digging into the sides of my hand.

[@karenengelhardt1610]

Even nearly 25 years on so many of these details are simply chilling. It means a lot to many people, some whom you will never meet, that you are working so tirelessly on every aspect. Once again great work and much appreciated!

[@rsdenimblues8342]

Pretty sure burk knows what happened..back when he was a kid being interviewed he said."I know what happened"..and later in life when he was an adult he told dr .phil. "I know that's not what happened"..he is protecting someone..someone told him to keep quiet..both times burk used the words "I know"

[@dvtxrose]

Exactly I saw those interviews and found that VERY curious

[@agag3449]

I watched every single second of all of his interviews and there’s also a slip up where he says my dad told me I mean signifying that his dad had knowledge that no one else did and told him something if I can find the video I watched I will insert it and tell you the timestamp that it’s at. I was shocked that no one has picked up on this yet like he literally could have broken the case right there if he kept talking.

[@deborahlynhetherly934]

@@agag3449 now that's very interesting I'd like to see that information too

[@kaylabaxter304]

In Burkes interview with the psychologist, he mentions a knife and a hammer! When he says "I know what happened to my sister" I get chills. Also, he AVOIDS the pineapple photo! Why?

[@kaylabaxter304]

@@79bewareofpuppies97 He knows what was in the bowl! It was HIS snack that night after they got home. And his tea. Ummm yea. I’d say he recognized the photo, and to pretend not to is odd.

[@kaylabaxter304]

@@79bewareofpuppies97 I agree. Nothing about that night makes sense. JB did have pineapple in her system though?

[@Samua3]

Burke is autistic. He answered correctly. He knew what happened just as we know what happened. But he didn't know how it happened and wanted them to find out who killed his sister. He was 9yrs old. Everyone is trying to blame him when there were two bizarre parents who turned their little girl into a grown up doll! If that pineapple was there it wasn't a fact that it was Burke's at the crime scene. His mother's prints were on that bowl and his. He could have been eating it earlier but it was still in the bowl so no. He may have taken the bowl from the dishwasher and his mother may have used it later to lure Jonbenet downstairs which would explain why they found it in her. Why would a mother kill her little doll? Because her husband may have been discovered with a bit too much "love" for this stunning, grown up looking 6 year old. There were signs of abuse. The mother had a 'useful' book on how to murder. Another option is that the father murdered her in a panic in some sudden moment of fear that perhaps she might tell. The stick may have been the whittled one but Burke wasn't sitting whittling it to murder his sister. And what kind of expert knot was that? Not by a 9yr old! It was more like a man's knotting. Would an ex military guy be able to do a knot like that? I just don't feel it could have been Burke and if it wasn't he needs comfort and closure, not accusations. If it strangely turns out that it actually was him and he can tie brilliant knots and lie brilliantly, then he needs help.

[@seeit360]

​@@Samua3John staged JonBenet. Not to cover for Patsy. But to cover for Burke. The Burke interview and quotes shows little peeks into what his brain is processing. He got the N64 and says he gets mad when his sister plays his games. The N64 is the toy he takes to the friends house that next morning. Patsy on the 911 call has Burke in the background and he says "what did you FIND"? So Burke knows they are looking for JonBenet in that moment. He is asking "did you find her?" And now his mom is calling the police. But they do not confront Burke, they send him back to his room. Burke does not go back to sleep, and when John comes back into the room he agrees to leave to "go play with a friend". He never asks why the police are there and he is spirited away. He's a potential witness. He may have heard something if there was an intruder. He might have been in danger, because at this point, the parents are projecting their daughter has been kidnapped.

[@Samua3]

@@seeit360 I appreciate your viewpoint but I saw the interviews with the lad and he's a slip of a 9 year old with autism. My brother used to belt me with stuff or give me a dead arm etc etc. Garotting her in the basement isn't conceivable when they were taken to bed, tired, no provocation, parents still up. Plus if you found that your son had brutally murdered your daughter and popped back to bed how sane would you feel about it? They knew Burke didn't do it. He heard conversations and goings on so it wasn't odd for him to ask what they found. They covered their own wrongdoing. I would guess that John abused his daughter and Patsy discovered it and in cold calculated seething she removed the "threat" to her marriage. He would have to keep his mouth shut and so would she. Burke couldn't have empowered them to write a 3 page letter and play out a lie at that level. Even finding the little girl like that was horrific. John was over it so fast he could carry her up stairs from the basement to the detective. That's just too odd for words! And then he says "Thank god I found her!" to attempt to sound as if he didn't know her body was there! They had too much to lose if Burke was suddenly honest and said he'd killed his sister. They are not flustered at all by their son and would have been if they knew he had been the murderer. They would have been either sickened by him or nervous of him revealing their cover up.

[@markgardner4426]

I know it was not a garrote the moment I first saw it. It looked like a toggle rope or toggle cable. I think that people called it a garrote out of ignorance and it just kept rolling on as that. I am sure Team Ramsey wanted it called a garrote to try to bolster their intruder theory. You need to remember John was a Navy man and a yachtsman, so would know knots and have experience with various cordage. I believe he'd also been a scout. Burke was also experienced sailing and a boy scout. I bet Burke had more than one knife. One from before he got the fancier one from Switzerland and then the one his parents brought back. If I were an investigator I would have to his boy scout leader and possibly other boys in his troop to find out if they had ever created toggle ropes as part of their scouting.

[@Magikarp-4ever]

The official boy scout knife can be a Swiss knife at times, so that is likely the answer it was his scout knife which cannot be fancy so they wouldn't have accepted one that was a gift to be allowed to qualify with

[@MaryBywaters]

Not a proper garrote but if it was used for strangulation then it becomes a garrote. Here's the Google definition. "If someone is garroted, they are killed by having something such as a piece of wire or cord pulled tightly around their neck. A garrote is a piece of wire or cord used to garrote someone." Therefore Jon Benet was garroted. And ok maybe it was made for some other purpose. Not intended for this purpose.

[@Melanie-vj6he]

Always remember the Ramsey's had a leaflet in their possession called "why johnny can't tell right from wrong".

[@deborahmcdonald4371]

YES! And dictionary open to incest

[@MaryBywaters]

😯

[@georgiaamanatides4207]

The housekeeper testified Patsy took the knife away from Burke and only her and Patsy knew where it was hidden. Burke could have whittled that stick days prior and it was left laying around.

[@sarahholland2600]

Burke could have gone looking for his penknife. My neighbour hides her teens travel card but she's found it every time, in oven gloves, behind mirrors etc. Also it was a watercolour paintbrush ,one of Patsy's ,from an open box of brushes in he basement.

[@maxthefrenchie-productions]

I always thought that it could have been made weeks or months prior and used for the staging in panic. I agree, I think it was not meant to be a garrote.

[@susettesantiago5509]

That housekeeper had a lot of info…….

[@estherpennington7826]

To me, the moral of this case is to pay attention to your children. Dont let the worldly technology and money raise them. They need their parents to be involved in their every day lives. You're a freaking genius. I wouldnt have figured out the point of this case had it not been for your dedicated research. My kids are now thriving so much since I put down my weed and my phone and started paying attention to them

[@brittany9414]

Do u ever miss the weed tho?

[@caramelfrappuccino234]

Awesome

[@lorimiller4301]

They need our energy so much that if we're not giving it you will hear a version of Stewie: Mom, mom, mom, mommy, mommy, mommy, mama, mama, mama !! They know they deserve it and they want it. Just part of being a Parent.

[@gutenbird]

You’ve obviously learned the wrong moral. The moral is that mommies shouldn’t murder their daughters.

[@sharonmartin5051]

I also think what can be learned here, at least for me, is to truely question everything. I kinda feel like a sucker now for believing what was obvious was true , just as William Safire said not to do.

[@annpushpa4564]

Im from an asian country, i accidently saw this murder episode oh dear what a heartbreaking episode, now im watching the new episode so, sad who was so vicious to murder that angle, why, maybe a mentle sick person,im so sad, though it had been 24 yearz, howmuch she must hadsuffered, before die, i pray for her soul, and ask God to help the authorities to find the culprit, or culprits, so disturbing incident,

[@robertdudley5024]

He had taken the paintbrush and had it in his possession. You can clearly see whittling marks. Damn that's chillimg

[@tattooedjo4672]

Exactly ... This seals the deal for me

[@Plainandsimple25]

I couldn't see whittling marks in the photo. I could be wrong as I find it hard to tell in the photo. Just because I can't see it, doesn't mean it isn't there!

[@arrivagabry]

@@Plainandsimple25 look better and closer under the knot.

[@Plainandsimple25]

@@arrivagabry I still can't see it, it just looks like a stick that has been snapped to me.

[@sarahholland2600]

​@@Plainandsimple25It looks too blunt to have been snapped. If you snap smaller branches or twigs it's a more ragged & sharper end. (I've just cut down a 6foot hedge & been snapping the smaller branches for disposal). Also, they found particles from Burkes red penknife on the snapped paintbrush.

[@susiekirchen7778]

I have read and watched so much on this case but this is new and insightful. I have four boys. Well aquainted with Scouting and how boys "fashion" things out of other things. What a eye opener. Thankyou.

[@franceskajacobs2766]

Burke always whittled all over the house. GOOD JOB AS ALWAYS TY NICK

[@davonnelson5648]

Am I the only 1 that looks forward to a new video everyday while I'm at work??? 😂😂😂😂

[@Thatskatermetalgirl]

Nope. Im with ya, Davon! Lol! I catch up every morning with some coffee and my emails. 👋🏼

[@pamelasmith6221]

No. I do too!!

[@caramelfrappuccino234]

No

[@leeatterberry5952]

Yeap

[@annahkurtin5345]

It sounds as if these wonderful, on-the-go parents neglected the emotional needs of their children.

[@gutenbird]

Is that why Patsy killed her daughter?

[@katyhess5967]

I didn't get that from what he said. You obviously don't indepthly know the case. It's pathetic how judgemental and bias you are about people you don't even know.

[@gutenbird]

@@katyhess5967 how did you happen to meet the Ramseys?

[@katyhess5967]

I don't know the Ramsey's, hence I don't make inflammatory, lemming-like postulations. Stick to the facts, not inferences. However, you are entitled to your opinion. There is no concrete evidence to suggest that the parents neglected the emotional needs of Burke or JonBenet.

[@gutenbird]

@@katyhess5967 So you have all kinds of rules that you don’t apply to yourself. You made knowing them a criteria for having an opinion of their guilt. You remind me of the Ramseys. The rules don’t apply to you either.

[@estherpennington7826]

Hey NICK! Still the most authentic voice IMO... Such interesting new evidence. I'm glad you didnt listen to me and stuck to your case! That's awesome! You seem to be making real headway

[@jacquiet6040]

I would be interested in knowing what type of videos Burke watched as a child too!

[@jacquelinedangelo46]

As well as what his friends and parents of his friends had to say about him

[@lauraabrodsky8155]

Excellent analysis and new information to help us come to a definitive conclusion. I look forward to listening to you every day. Thank you for all your work.

[@dianawright8334]

Wow this information is very telling. Thank you for all the work in reporting it. Love your Channel

[@matwilson7904]

The Supposed garrotte looks like a homemade choker chain from the 1990s to train a small dog to go on walks. The wooden piece could be the handle so when the dog pulls the rope doesn't cut into your hand, you want it short not long because you want the dog to walk beside you not in front. As the dog pull it tightens around their neck and causes discomfort, therefore teaching it to walk with you as a pack. I'm not saying this is true and is just an option but could this have been used as a toy and something happened?

[@superjaded1738]

That housekeepers info is interesting. There’s a lot of information we probably will never know about

[@MsSadeBrown]

My opinion: Burke did it. Burke fixed her pineapples and tea. She may have touched him with sticky fingers. He got mad and hit her in the head. She passes out. Parents took her to the basement to set the scene. This also gave Patty time to write the note, while John staged the body. Burke was in the scouts, so he may have been taught how to tie knots.

[@superjaded1738]

If the brother had cracked her in the head, I believe they would have sought medical attention. I believe something else happened that required covering up

[@annvalentine9860]

I believe Burke again got angry with his sister for taking a sip of his drink or something she touched of his and he went into a rage of anger. Hit her so hard with the bat or flashlight and cracked her skull open. Parents heard yelling, ran downstairs and saw what Burke had done. Patsy screamed, John yelled at Burke what have you done and chased him off to bed ordering him to stay there until they told him he could come out again, which would explain why he stayed out even with the cops walking into his room and him not getting out of bed. He wasn’t curious or scared enough to run to mom or dad. And yes, I think the parents did cover up. They didn’t rush her to the hospital because they couldn’t chance losing both kids. John I believe who is an expert at quick and critical thinking hatched a plan. I think also Patsy was also afraid to go against John. So I think he ordered her to go write a ransom note as he took JonBene to the basement. There I believe he finished her off making it look like kidnappers did this to her. It was made to look like someone came in the basement window but but trying to go back out with a child in hand would be more difficult if not impossible. None of that makes sense to me because there were no foot prints in the snow. And if someone were hiding in the house the whole time, the child never made a sound? I don’t believe that. She had her head bashed in, tasters in the neck, carried out of her bedroom under the parents room they would have heard something. Then taken to the basement and duct taped, strangled and sexually attacked, yes there was proof of that. The puzzling part is how was there a mix of three different unknown DNA’s found on her clothing and where did it come from? That also makes no sense. Still much to learn on this case.

[@rsdenimblues8342]

Agree what parent would not want to.help their child..not finish her off..I agree something else happened.

[@user-qh8nh7oe6d]

No, the head injury happened after she died.

[@nrgao]

Yes everyone just breezes by Linda Arndt’s original interview statement about JBRs private areas having damage that looked like it had been occurring prior to the murder. Something was happening in that house. I don’t know who to blame. The father acts off but it could very well have been due to covering for the son and guilt/shame. Same with Patsy. But Burke, that’s a different kind of atypical behavior. I wouldn’t be surprised about anything they learn he did or does still.

[@jimfinan9132]

@@superjaded1738 the large flashlight right on the table with the pineapple dish had no fingerprints on it. None.seems very odd that it wasn’t touched. How would it get there?

[@leah_amy]

I seriously cannot imagine anyone taking the risk of going all the way to her room in the night to bring her downstairs and kill her, write the note with all the risk of being caught? No way. It makes more sense that she was already downstairs for some reason with her brother or he joined her... and the parents were so far away and their room in the attic they would have no idea what they were doing. The neighbour heard a scream but they didn’t. The bottom window would have seemed closer to the neighbour than the parents on the top attic floor asleep and had it from being out and needing to leave for a holiday in the morning.... Burke said in his Dr Phil interview people should just look at the evidence as if that proves he could not have done it or his parents involved. To me that was even a cocky statement. There was not enough proof EITHER way. For or against. That’s why people keep looking into the case. His manner and attitudes are just plain odd. He SEEMS so nice and great guy superficially... but look at Chris Watts. Same thing. Covert narcissist can appear extremely nice... very intelligent and interestingly both CW and Burke were very entitled as children... and lacked connection emotionally whatever reasons.

[@franceskajacobs2766]

The spell check messed up I'm sorry Burke hit her

[@franceskajacobs2766]

Covering up a crime sorry the spellcheck messed up I apologize

[@franceskajacobs2766]

They were also charged with accessory to covering up a crime resulting in death he was a miner those records were sealed I believe it was probably an accident no intent to murder but I do believe the parents tried to cover it up my personal opinion

[@franceskajacobs2766]

I agree with you 100%

[@fayejordan175]

@@franceskajacobs2766 No one in the family was involved in any way!

[@deborahmcdonald4371]

The rope was tied to the stick after placing around neck, that's why it has hair caught in it.

[@judypylant1570]

Burke had two knives and is known to walk around the house whittling and making a mess for the housekeeper to clean up!..Burke whittled patsy’s paint brushes.

[@missbee980]

The debris from whittling would depend on the hardness of the wood not the size. A hard wood would more so splinter and split while a soft wood would leave softer curly shavings.

[@jacquelinejacobson6789]

This was made by Burke. Not a fancy device at all. Something a kid would make.

[@alohaannie5076]

Who lives in a house so messy and in such disarray? They were not doing their children any favors by not teaching them to clean up after themselves.

[@Firebird-65]

This case is one big mess

[@christinelee2026]

This dear little girl will never have a peaceful death because too many years have passed and too many mistakes in the investigation have been made.I think we all have our certain suspicions on who did this but a good liar will beat someone who wants the truth anytime.Maybe when their death comes they will be sent to hell because they don't deserve to be in heaven where Jonbenet is.

[@JS-bt8ul]

Yes, they called it garrote, so everyone would think it to be something too complicated that a child could construct. I figured it out at the time I saw a photo of it. When he was interviewed he said he had 2 Swiss army knives. Interestingly police didn't test the knife with the broken ornament for DNA. And you are right, the handle of the paintbrush on the 'garrotte" is whittling. I was wondering what it was knowing that it was not Pansy's teeth marks.

[@CerealBoomer]

👍🏼

[@Duckiemomma1205]

Yes you said exactly what I think happened. It's like so simple so why didn't anyone back 27 years ago think of it and go down that alley

[@nnj6918]

That photo of Jon Benet upside down is very disturbing

[@glittercertified7220]

Wat photo

[@lizsheldon652]

That’s interesting information Nick, I’ve decided to join TCRS Patreon now!

[@crystalclear7984]

What"s a 9yr old doing with a knife like that anyway, sounds like the housekeeper either put it away for Burkes safety or her own. I know a 9yr old would not emotionally grasp the seriousness of such a situation, but he always striked me as some what sadistic, the type of child that would love tormenting a dog.

[@MsArtemis64]

Boy scouts use Swiss army knives when they are camping. I'm pretty sure it's even one of the prizes for selling popcorn.

[@fayejordan175]

That’s a horrible thing to say about Burke. He didn’t have anything to do with this and was never really a suspect with the authorities.

[@ArtZen111]

@@fayejordan175 everyone was suspect

[@nancy2anne]

By her own admission, the housekeeper, Linda Hoffman Pugh, put up the knife because Burke whittled all over the house, leaving little pieces of wood on the floor where she had just cleaned.

[@melissalee2166]

Anyone else notice that Burke had loafers on in the interview? He had shorts on- usually kids wear sneakers with shorts. Did his parents not want investigators to see how he tied his shoes??

[@wildflower868]

The shorts were 'dress shorts', so it would be normal for him to be wearing loafers with them.

[@annalee117]

Even if loafers go with the outfit, John may have not wanted them to think about Burke and tying.... It could have been another detail that John thought of when planning what Burke would say, also planned how and what he'd wear.

[@allan9603]

If you look very carefully at the series of knots tied in the rope, you will see they are quite unique. John Ramsey attended basic training at Great Lakes Naval Station before being shipped off on his first assignment; all naval recruits are taught how to tie a number of strong, and unique knots to use on board ships.

[@pink-penguin101]

Woah! I think Patsy hit Jonbenet with the flashlight with that brutal blow Jonbenet would be killed in a few second but just to confuse the police, John must have thought of aggravating the crime scene and thought that the garotte would have made the police wonder how she died. However; there's a feminine side of the knot too; I do think Patsy might have made the knot, they looked feminine how women make knots. Both of them staged the crime scene; Burke seemed special and seemed couched; mimicking his parents' words.

[@allan9603]

@@pink-penguin101 , I disagree. JB got up after being put to bed and opened the can of pineapples. Burke heard her in the kitchen, and with his childish hate for JB, demanded some of the pineapples, JB denied sharing, an argument ensued and Burke struck her with the flashlight, knocking her out. Patsy and/or John heard the commotion, came to find JB unconscious and surmised that a trip to the ER would expose the sexual abuse and possible physical abuse John and Patsy imposed on JB. So, in order to cover up the abuse, and to spare the (minor) consequences on Burke, John and Patsy decided that murder was their only recourse. JMO

[@BalthazarMyrrh70]

@@allan9603 its burks fingerprints on the bowl. Plus the bowl remained relatively full. So it wasn't as if she grabbed the last piece?

[@allan9603]

@@BalthazarMyrrh70 Patsy's prints were also on the bowl. It doesn't take long to argue over a pineapple, then crack someone's skull with a flashlight. Burke knows this all to well. Why do you think he's such a dufuss to this day?

[@BalthazarMyrrh70]

@@allan9603 patsy put the cleaned dishes away. That explains her prints. The fight over pineapple leaves too many loose ends as does the bed wetting and patsy whacking her. All the other bruises and abuse have to be explained as well. More like Burke shared a piece of pineapple then lured her in the basement. He would have the flashlight. Things get carried away. She screams. He panics and hits her. The parents then have something worth covering up. Its now already a sordid scene. There's abuse, etc. All of that has to come into the scenario, where the simple "hit her cause she peed the bed or took my pineapple" theory doesnt explain any other injuries.

[@nono-wo9ky]

The killer would of brought everything he needed even the ransom note and all your videos about this murder clearly shows Burke did it and both parents covered it up !!!!

[@lesliealford5286]

I think Ms, Pugh might need to be looked at a little closer because through my experience if you are busy pointing fingers. I really don’t believe Burke would take the time to whittle the brush down to a stick to use it to choke his sister. He would have stuck her with it if he was interested in hurting her. The accusations toward Burke is only a smoke screen. No one talked about the age of the break on the paint brush. Seems to me the police are very slow about this case of course it has been 25 yrs. This is extremely sad.

[@katyg3873]

Patsy was wearing the same clothes because she was up all night covering it up writing the note etc. Burke had previous incidents of being violent to jonbenet. I think jonbenet wet her bed. Instead of getting annoyed patsy was understanding, but got annoyed at Burke for eating his snack if pineapple. Maybe jonbenet made fun of this. Burke got annoyed, killed her. John covered it up by staging the sexual assault and strangulation with the makeshift garrotte he fashioned from the stick Burke whittled.

[@rsdenimblues8342]

Wearing same clothes because she been up all night...I like that..makes sense

[@darrensanimalsvideos]

Strange knot on the stick. Boy scout? Thats Burke's pull stick for something, pulling his door shut? (I don't know, but it's too weird to be a garotte)

[@darrensanimalsvideos]

@@WrektbutWhole no it's in the middle of the stick so you can pull hard with one hand knoet between the fingers or two handed.

[@lorimiller4301]

Handle for a sled?

[@darrensanimalsvideos]

@@lorimiller4301 yes maybe. Snow all around, I'd like to see the crime scene pictures, I wonder if there's a sled missing a rope....

[@caroline61804]

But why was her hair in there

[@caroline61804]

There was marks on her neck

[@jw9366]

It's a turnacate, just like they teach you in boy scouts

[@ArtZen111]

Bingo

[@ArtZen111]

For a merit badge

[@ArtZen111]

So was it an older boy that Burke knew, and well he snuck over and they did have 9 doors and 100 windows and maybe they had a boy scout function at their house once maybe he had a little crush on jonbenet and climbed the tree and crawled in and hung out and hid and ... Well but what about that amazing ransom note w such a big imagination, maybe it was someone's relative of a Dr friend that was a teen that visited often and hated Patsy for some reason or Jon Benet was nasty to him and he was there and took the notepad and sat around at his home writing it w some of her papers and thought like a teenager or a 21 yr old ..idk I remember practicing writing like my parents to figure out my style, and maybe it was a sixteen or fifteen yr old who knew the house and the lay out and just maybe a friend of the older brothers maybe he snooped around often in their home maybe it was a neighbor kid who did it and Jon Benet knew him just enough to trust him.

[@MaryBywaters]

@@ArtZen111 Sheesh

[@kly1723]

Yet another interesting piece of a complex puzzle.

[@jamesradskijr.9745]

I say it was whittled over time meaning days before not that night, but it was used obviously.

[@dylpickles76]

To play devil’s advocate, NOT calling it a garrote also puts a cognitive bias in the direction of it NOT being a “criminal”, but being someone in the home. A rose by any other name is still a rose.

[@TCRS]

Yes, and a daisy by any other name doesn't make it a rose.

[@BalthazarMyrrh70]

You can call a turd a rose but it still smells

[@christopherjohnson3520]

This Case is about as frustrating as it could be. I gave up on it years ago I was hoping some kind of light would appear but it seems to be Deja Vu all over again. It’s like running a race with no finish line. I wonder if “Columbo” could figure it out. “Oh, Just One More Thing before I go.” What a Great TV 📺 Show. Peter Falk was Awesome. It’s back on again & it’s still great. 👍

[@gutenbird]

This case isn’t difficult. Mom did it all by herself. Case closed.

[@mariahyohannes]

@@gutenbird All by herself? No John helped her cover it up

[@gutenbird]

@@mariahyohannes and John didn’t bother to tell Patsy to change what she was wearing?

[@ArtZen111]

Think of this.. Who is more frustrating Then anyone A teenager and they're sneaky too.maybe just maybe it was a friend of someone who was in the boy scout function or church or just around school and they had opportunities to be there .. now doesn't that change the dynamics

[@annalee117]

I believe the truth will come out sometime in the future.

[@carolewenman4558]

Hi, how someone could stand on a suitcase the narrowest part of a it. It would be very difficult to balance. Does anyone think the same. ?

[@seriouslyjoking2]

No one has mentioned that Burke may be Autistic? Aspergers/high-functioning

[@marthabmccarthy7024]

I would like to know if there were any forensics found on the stick ?

[@jacquelinedangelo46]

Many publications including child publications can show one how to tie several types of knots

[@sbcc3415]

The parents are guilty either way and honestly i don't believe it was burke. I also believe there was sexual abuse going on.

[@Steelringstrue]

Yes, by Daddy.

[@ArtZen111]

What if it were a teenager acquaintance from boy scout function or church or just around school who visited there

[@robyndawn]

I thought the string had been attached to the brush previously, but now i think it was added after the sting was tied around her. Or it just was not pulled on because the string was too long and was just there from something not having to do with the murder. The string around the brush end doesn't look pulled on for how hard it would have been pulled if it was used for that. They wanted to make a mess of evidence. And they did

[@carmenmitchell2826]

John taught Burke how to make one. Wake up people. This was proven.

[@monicshastings8945]

How do you know that. I've never heard it.

[@YourTreasureForever]

Don't tell us to wake up as though we are all bloody stupid, direct us to where this proven information is located. I believe Burke knew how to make it, his age seems to be his alibi even though most informed adults are aware that younger children need to do more than know how to tie a knot at that age in other less privileged countries. I'm positive that Burke would have been taught how to make it, but where is the big mystery. Was it in scouts, while sailing or what? I really want to know because I don't buy into the narrative that Burke didn't or couldn't kill her because he was ONLY 9. IMO He's got away with it and that's why he was smiling at the funeral and since. Once it is found out he will go down as the kid who got away with murder. Also, I think someone in the Police department (or likely higher) are personal friends of the Ramsey's which is why Boulder police refused to accept help from various reputable sources, because they probably have something on him and their lawyer knew it and used it to help blunder it up and refrain from doing further DNA testing for so many years. In addition to not allowing more qualified specialists getting involved to assist with carious details such as the hand writing on their own dollar! No, the parents probably didn't kill their daughter, but I believe Patsy did write that letter, probably know his brother had left or at least used the paint brush inside JonBenet (during Dr's & Nurses or to hurt/humiliate her), and both parents staged it to look like a rape gone wrong or intruder, but the brother did it IMO and the only people who would defend him are his parents, which is why they needed so much time before speaking to the Police to get prepped with all the facts and what they were going to say when questioned, get their stories straight when separated and with the killer, who gave himself away when he said he *knows* how she was killed. There is no way that a parent would tell the brother she had her head caved in when it wasn't even evident when looking at her so why would he say it? More importantly why did the investigators not think it was odd he's idea was very close to what actually took place, and why did they not consider him a suspect because he was 9? 9-year-olds are smarter, stronger and think more than parents seem to think, and jealous ones can be very violent. My opinion, based on the facts presented from various sources - If it's correct what a burden it is on John to carry to his grave.

[@Hat5858]

Nonsense... But its obvious there were pedophiles in the area expert with not only this device but with the totality of the brutality. The motive is missing if you suspect the family.

[@sbcc3415]

@@Hat5858 i think it's very possible John was sexually abusing her. It's hard to fathom but it's possible.

[@anntaylor5736]

All the upstairs cupboards were open with stuff pulled half way out because Burke was looking for the knife the housekeeper hid

[@Duckiemomma1205]

21:38 in my opinion I think Burke was practicing his Boy Scout skills like in the magazines you showed. It was made days or weeks before. Whoever put it on jonbenet grabbed it to use for staging or for play

[@ziggypop8106]

Burke comes across as an irritating, impudent brat. Probably overindulged by his parents to compensate for the lack of pageants, dressing up and attention in his life. Nice long episode 😊👍

[@ziggypop8106]

I agree with the 'help' part for sure. Not sure who Peter Brandt it?

[@seka1986]

Why do you dislike Burke?

[@ziggypop8106]

just a hunch

[@sharonmartin5051]

Hi Ziggy, I hope this finds you well. I have 2 questions for you. What do you think about Patsy's paintings ? I think it's pretty darn good for a beginner. Mine would probably look like one ofJackson Pollack's paintings where he just flung the paint. Also do you think that picture of JB is supposed to be upside down. I've obviously been doing some deep thinking. LOL. Please be safe..

[@ziggypop8106]

@Sharon Martin Hi Sharon, yes I'm ok thanks, I hope you are well. I smiled at the JP comment, 'Jack the 'Dripper' I've heard him called. Patsy's paintings are quite cute for an amateur. Which one is upside down, I missed that? Couple of questions here too, I'm assuming the picture at 22:50 is a photograph, the dress is worthy of a Degas, and what is that 'thing' in the b&w evidence image around 21:50 been puzzling me for a while? 😮

[@ziggypop8106]

Not at the end yet but could the garrotte be an artist's plumb line device for drawing?

[@404Error_ResetDevice]

My first thought was that it might be a device for slicing clay, but perhaps the cord is too thick

[@superjaded1738]

I don’t believe it was the brother

[@justiceseeker]

You could also say What kind of a idiot writes a three page ransom note.

[@poetcomic1]

This case already takes it place with the Lizzie Borden case as THE great American murder mystery.

[@larar-pecadorarandom8400]

I used to "peel off" the paint from my pencils with my cutter when I was a kid... I´d never thought of that before, in spite of having followed this case for many years. I just revised photos taken of the contraption used for strangling JonBenét... and it does look very similar to my peeled off pencils.

[@larar-pecadorarandom8400]

PS. The part of the paintbrush handle that still keeps some varnish on, where someone could be holding it from; has it ever been tested for fingerprints, DNA, anything? How about measured? (adult hands holding it, a kid´s?) Maybe it was some piece of a once-broken but non-discarded old paintrush... used for "practicing" whittling? Can it be known if it was done with a smaller sort of knife? How could an intruder find that piece? All fingers keep pointing a certain way... And I must also mention that I´ve always had the inclination of some "thug" being "hired" to finish her off, as part of a desperate twisted staging plot. But also probably even given the tools... but who knows.

[@TCRS]

@@larar-pecadorarandom8400 Good question Lara. CBI reported in February 1997 that no fingerprints were found on the "garrotte" jonbenetramsey.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Garrote

[@leah_amy]

Burke’s responses and flat effect In his childhood interviews always struck me as interesting. And maybe a problem. He obviously is extremely intelligent, but his manner even as a young boy strikes me as a young many with some confused thoughts and emotions happening inside that he cannot or does not express, and his adult interview although he seems to have turned out like nice young man, is also just hard to read. I’m not sure I agree with Dr Phil’s explanation that is was nerves and the topic. There is something deeper there with him psychologically that is not reached. He could have just been doing what he saw in a movie, could have been a game gone wrong, or bit of both. Kids can easily get up to all sorts if they are not monitored. And also if they are allowed to watch things on movies or tv that they are intelligent to remember and take in but emotionally can’t process or understand consequences... they can easily act out. In his childhood videos he reminds me of some of the children have seen with serious psychological issues but I would think he is extremely smart... and even at a young age could hide his emotions or some emotions are even stunted. The upbringing he had, and his intelligence, and perhaps a lack of emotional connection to his parents and also lack of discipline and understanding... could have impacted him far more than his parents realised. Money and gifts cannot buy time love and affection. These parents were not bad people, they just never saw it coming.... if they did realise they either could not accept it as a possibility and didn’t even Question their son about it but act as though that is an impossibility... or actively covered for him .

[@franceskajacobs2766]

I agree 100 percent with u leah

[@franceskajacobs2766]

I agree with you 100%

[@jimmcmichael911]

Right on friend

[@leah_amy]

@@franceskajacobs2766 oh thanks Franceska. Definitely more going on there with this young man…

[@leah_amy]

@@jimmcmichael911 😃😃 Thanks Jim!! Yeah always thought there is something here with him. I can’t help it. Even the letter found on the steps I truly felt could easily have been written by a very intelligent mixed up young boy… and they really never figured it out. Movies could have gone a long way to influence him.. especially as that seems to be something he did a-lot. I really feel he acted out but had no idea of the reality until she was dead and the reactions…

[@aoutsky]

The pronunciation of Trujillo is 'Tru hee yo', Nick.

[@TCRS]

Okay let me try again. Tru hee no.

[@aoutsky]

@@Delcielo9 yeah. The T is soft, but I don't if that complicates things too much for poor Nick. He's trying. 😂

[@nancygermain6924]

Your channel is extremely informative & well done.

[@harrietlyall1991]

Burke’s incessant whittling sounds obsessive. Why didn’t Patsy or John tell him to stop? The housekeeper acted in loco parentis, doing the job of the parents in teaching him mannerly behaviour. Burke sounds very immature, what with his bed-wetting and his childish preoccupations. A person is never too young or too old for ethics. Age 9 is plenty old enough to learn consideration and manners.

[@SPORT2932]

I don't believe Burke did it. There is no way the Ramseys would let him go to the White's house that morning if he had killed his sister hours before. They would keep him close so there wasn't a chance of him breaking down and confessing. And I don't believe Burke would do the Dr Phil interview if he was guilty. I also remember reading that a police interviewer didn't think Burke knew that JonBenet was dead, just missing.

[@melanieb2132]

I struggle with the thought that Burke did it because 9 year old children are very tired Christmas night after waking up early in the morning. I think there's 3 theories that work for me.. i think someone in the house did it. She had a gash on her head, and she was strangled and sexually abused. Cause of death was strangulation. Her head did not burst open with blood when hit, so that's evidence that she was being strangled first before she was hit. Or the theory is that she was hit before she was strangled.. and passed out and they thought she was dead and the strangulation was the staging of the murder, but it actually is what killed her. Nothing quite fits together perfectly in this crime, so that's what makes it so intriguing.. it's like 2 truths and a lie, and we have to figure what the lie is. If she was hit first before strangulation, that means either Patsy or Burke did it. If she was hit after strangulation, I think that points to John. There's a terrible perverse reason for that.. namely a sexual fetish while S.Abusing her.

[@sherylm.franks4536]

That thing, garrotte, or whatever it is, was probably already made, and on a shelf somewhere. I heard an interviewer say that Burke couldn't have made that garrotte thing because there were too many knots, so no, he did not kill his sister. If she was basing Burke's innocence because he wouldn't have been able to make that garrotte thing, that is stupid. Cause I believe it was already made by someone else, possibly the Dad, and happened to be easily accessible at the time, like on a shelf or something so Burke could grab it easily. The killer didn't just stop and take the time to make it. I don't know maybe they did. This is too crazy!

[@catherinesutton5979]

Why does a little six year old girl have such huge bags under her eyes? I find that incredibly odd.

[@lacos3213]

Omg I always think that too!

[@persephonemaeve2704]

Stress

[@bluemoon3699]

Catherine Sutton I heard anal rape causes eye bags. You asked. SRA. (satanic ritual abuse)

[@jeanhorn8891]

DEFINITELY a Garot. These type of garot look simplistic but woven, this is how military make makeshift garot s

[@flnurse1987]

Looks like it was snapped, not widdled to me? but the rope tying pattern is interesting

[@flnurse1987]

What young boy has this type of knowledge? Has a stun gun? could stage something this egregious?

[@kellysutton2780]

I don't believe it was burke

[@jazamaraz8029]

@@flnurse1987 The use of a stun gun was a theory advanced by Lou Smith to explain a series of marks found on JonBenet's body that perplexed other investigators. It was never definitively proved that a stun gun was used. No stun gun was ever found. Some years later, James Kolar advanced a theory that someone suggested to him. This theory claims that the marks were made by jabbing the end to the toy train tracks into JonBenet hard enough to cause small bruises. He measured the width of the tracks and compared that with the distance between the marks on the body and found them to be identical. The train set was downstairs and there are photos of various pieces of tracks laying around.

[@superjaded1738]

It may not have been a garrote but it was wrapped tightly around her neck

[@judieg.7945]

Why have the partially unwrapped presents in the basement never been mentioned by anyone? Very strange to have Christmas presents put in the basement, IMO.

[@TCRS]

Not really. They were going to have a second Christmas with the rest of the family the next day, in Michigan.

[@judieg.7945]

@@TCRS Thank you, but why were they partially unwrapped? Anxious children who started to open them and then the parents said those are for later perhaps. I really enjoy your observations and discernment, both make for a good channel. Kind regards.

[@judieg.7945]

The children or one child discovered them in the basement, perhaps they were not ever under the tree.

[@gina.1]

@@judieg.7945 Judie, Patsy stated in one of her interviews with the police that she had torn the wrapping on the gifts (either because she was trying to figure out which one was for which person and actually didn't remember what the gift was, I don't recall). She had also said (again if I recall correctly) that there was something more for the kids so that they would have something else to open for the second Christmas. This is what I recollect. Hopefully,.this is correct. But for certain she had said it had been her who had torn away some of the wrapping on the giftls.

[@judieg.7945]

@@gina.1 Thank you, that would make sense. Personally, I would carefully un tape the scotch tape on one, and wouldn't need to tear the wrapping on two wrapped presents. Logical thinking would question why she would tear the wrapping on both, what do you think? This is also supposing there were only two gifts, which was what it looked like. Do you know if there were more than two gifts in the basement?

[@StaceyF254]

They should test the cord for dna

[@radicalveg00]

When the housekeeper confiscated the knife, did she physically take it away from Burke's hands or did she surreptitiously take it and then hide it? In other words, was Burke aware that the knife had been taken from him by her? Also, is it possible to forensically determine when the "garrote" had been constructed, i.e. when the wood had been whittled away to make the indentations? It is screamingly obvious that there was no intruder. It's also obvious that with enough financial resources it is possible to hire the most politically connected attorneys in your area and get away with murder.

[@TCRS]

In other words, was Burke aware that the knife had been taken from him by her? >>>That's how I see it.

[@franceskajacobs2766]

It is not a garrotte RAMSEYS WANTED 2 CREATE THAT SENERIO

[@franceskajacobs2766]

I have always listened to your podcast over and over again and shared. Very well done bravo. I totally agree with you a 100% across-the-board. Fact a child cannot be implicated or prosecuted for any crime in the state of Colorado under the age of 10 Burke was still 9.

[@edoboleyn]

You are right. Personally, I suspect that they were worried about Burke being prosecuted, so much as the prospect of an investigation-and media fallout-that would have subjected their extremely dysfunctional private lives to public scrutiny.

[@evltwin984]

Not a garotte at all, but a noose & handle used to drag something too heavy to carry. 🤔 who wouldnt have been strong enough to carry her?

[@melaniemunro6696]

I am new to this channel would love to hear opinions on the position of her body. If she were alive and conscious when strangled, as many suggest, it seems unlikely that she would have ended up with her hands above her head. It is possible that if she were hit on the head and fell forward her arms may have landed above her head. Although, If a body is found with arms above the head, to me it can also suggest that there might have been an attempt to move the body by pulling by the arms.

[@TCRS]

it seems unlikely that she would have ended up with her hands above her head. >>>It's possible she lay on her back with her arms beside her head. It's also possible when she tried to get up, to escape, she turned onto her stomach and then received the head blow. In this position the arms would almost naturally end up in the position she was found.

[@melaniemunro6696]

@@TCRS I see yes. If she were on her back for example during an assualt. Very good.

[@Duckiemomma1205]

Her body in my opinion was staged. It seems like her body was wiped down, and that she was changed out of the clothes she was killed in into the clothes she was found in. The ropes around her wrist were tied on the outside of her nightgown which would make no sense. So her arms up above her head were put like that for whatever reason.

[@UndergroundSmoke]

This is one of those cases that I have been purposely staying away from for at least a decade now. Every once in a while I watch a little something on it and say "no, I don't have the time for this right now, can't add another case" but now I think it's time. Sometimes you have to come to your own conclusion, the authorities sometimes cannot, or will not, say what the probably already know to be the truth...

[@katejones2172]

Well I resonate with that god bless

[@katejones2172]

I'm not particularly religious tbh but still

[@Steelringstrue]

Daddy did it and used his money to get away with it.

[@ArtZen111]

Maybe it was a dumb ass friend from some where in the lives of the Ramsey family from boy scout function or church or just a FN creepy teenager around town maybe 16

[@angelashort1331]

His ties with powerful people Lockheed Martin , they're very helpful to certain people ,They have clout WITH FBI, even , hmm Not what you know, it's who you know,.

[@markgunther2502]

The problem I have with the "Burke did it" crowd, including the author of this podcast, is if it was Burke, why the need for the elaborate international intruder gang ransom, loose tying up, fake strangulation, murder, coverup by the parents? First of all, the parents were well educated, the mom was a massive how-to-get-away-with-murder afficianado based on her extensive library of books so they both would have definitely known that a 9 year old would have literally 0% chance of going to prison or being held responsible for even a deliberate act of killing his sister. Secondly, even if they did decide they couldn't let anyone know Burke had intentionally killed his sister, they could have EASILY just played it off with a simple story of the two kids were playing and Burke accidentally hit her with a bat while he was spinning around or they were playing ball and he was clumsy or whatever. This would have easily been believed by the police as everyone knows how clumsy and careless kids are. So again, why the need for an elaborate kidnapping 3 page international gang ransom note, tying up, fake strangulation, and so forth. Surely they would have known that would have gained FAR MORE scrutiny from not just the police but the FBI, than a simple kids were playing and she was accidentally killed. Remember they had 6 hours to figure this out so one can't just blame this on a last minute panic. We know the mom was literally up all night covering this up since she was still wearing her previous day's clothes and makeup and spend at least an hour on the war and peace note. The only explanation that makes sense is that one of the adults (most likely the mom) did it, in which case there would have been the need for a coverup to avoid prison for said adult.

[@Oolatatatake]

I suspicious about that Christmas party amd if Jon Benet. Made it home alive.

[@Daniel15391]

I agree. I don't believe she did. Rumors of Ghislane Maxwell at the pageants. Also, rumors of a satanic ritual gone wrong at the "Christmas" party.

[@XCodeHelpHub]

Time of death is well after the party according to the coroner.

[@ruthannsmith3131]

John was a sailor in the navy!He knew how to tie knots!!!

[@kaylabaxter304]

Both John and Burke were in Boy Scouts. Burke was for 3 years. WHY does the public not see any photos of this? Why was it a "secret?" Boy Scouts teaches a boy a lot, especially knots.

[@kaylabaxter304]

@@79bewareofpuppies97 Do you think Dad killed JB then?

[@kaylabaxter304]

@@79bewareofpuppies97 I definitely think John and Patsy were involved. They told Burke to stay in bed and not come out, then sent him off with their friends first thing in the am. What about the SA on JB? Dad?

[@kaylabaxter304]

@@79bewareofpuppies97 Agreed. There were signs of on going molestation. I think Dad was to blame for that. Whatever happened in that home on Christmas night remains a mystery. I love to hear theories! What is yours?

[@kaylabaxter304]

@@79bewareofpuppies97 That would make sense! All signs point to them! And the lack of emotion from John is very telling as well. Like detective Linda Arndt said, he was “cordial” and she was terrified of him that morning.

[@donnamaciver2093]

I thought it was a paint brush of patsys

[@nobodyowens8159]

Linda Arndst knew the person who carried Jon Benet upstairs was guilty Yes Burke whittled ,their were probably whittled sticks everywhere and Burke knew what happened but this lad was not guilty Someone used the stick that was aroynd the house Who knew about knots ? The whittled stick was used and it appears to have neen whittled months brfore My kids love whittling.they leave sticks all over the house ,its a common tning for lads to do and they leave wood bits everywhere .

[@leah_amy]

I always thought it was Burke. It’s the only thing that makes sense. And maybe the parents covered for him intentionally or not .... can imagine some parents would want to just deny their child did that even if an accident thinking they will never have a real life.

[@keles2395]

Atilan düğümler çok ilginç ustaca böyle bir düğümü herkes atamaz.kusursuz....

[@arrivagabry]

was that knot every untied? I never read that it was, could be DNA under that knot. That was not a garotte but a pulling device

[@MrChopsticktech]

We only have the housekeeper's word that she took Burke's knife because he was getting wood shavings all over I would think her job would be to tell his parents before taking it.

[@Monica-b6e]

Im pretty sure I heard she had already discussed with Patsy the problem with Burke getting wood shavings all over the place

[@william1118]

To me all it was is something Burke made up inorder to drag his sister because she was heavier then he thought. To me as Burke was dragging her she was strangled to death.

[@judieg.7945]

Where do you suppose he was dragging Her?

[@william1118]

@@judieg.7945 I do believe across the floor into the backroom were she was found. I think thats how she got the scratchs on her back. I also think Patsy found her, and she was the scream the neighbour heard. I think Burke had many issues and when he hit her he ran to his room. Then after not hearing her come upstairs he went back to the basement to see if she was still there. Thats when he used the flashlight to heat up his train pegs and stuck them against her skin to see if shed move.

[@treasurecassidy6357]

Wouldn't there had been drag marks?

[@lorimiller4301]

Could he be the one having relations with her ? Could this technique be something he witnessed adults doing ?

[@seka1986]

Good imagination.

[@starlight3455]

TCRS, in answer to your question, the garrote reminds me of an implement (i have seen made and used) to pull start the motor on both a lawn mower and a chainsaw ; made as a makeshift replacement after the devices' original pull start wore out. similarly, it also reminds me of the old fashioned homemade spinning top, as demonstrated in this link > kzbin.info/www/bejne/sKbCamWiZZqSZpY

[@davonnelson5648]

Someone could make that to be used to replace a broken pull to start machine. But y not just buy a new 1 for abt $5!!! That string was most definitely used to strangle poor little JonBenetR. Oh I think that if it was not 1of the 3 accused of killing her. I most definitely believe they know who did. Bc the evidence shows that they are too involved not to be a killer / or know who it was!!!!SMDH😠😠😠😠

[@starlight3455]

Davon, i agree, but not everyone has either the time nor a spare $5 on the spot, and my response (which did include the term "makeshift") was in answer to the question asked. someone else here suggested an artist's plumb line, which is also a very interesting possibility. there is of course no doubt that the implement was used to strangle jonbenet, and imo, it was most likely constructed to do just that. in further response to your comment, it is my belief that jonbenét AND the 3 to have been accused DID know the person responsible, but in saying that, they did not cover for that person who. imo, was known to them, trusted by them, and was someone they would never have suspected. i also believe those remaining would still be in total disbelief if the truth was ever to come to light.

[@davonnelson5648]

@@starlight3455 so r u saying that the ramsey's did not cover up 4 this person ???. Bc everything says other wise...

[@starlight3455]

i can't be certain that there was NO coverup of another individual's "presence" on the premises, but my heart is 100% certain that - had that been the case - it was someone known to either or both the parents, and who had been observed to demonstrate only a healthy, nurturing relationship with the children ; someone who was, wrongly, both trusted implicitly, and thought to be beyond reproach. my views, in part, are visionary, and i apologise for being unable to explain in greater depth.

[@ArtZen111]

I was thinking right before I saw your comment... Maybe just maybe it was a pull rip cord for a older toy that broke and a new one was made this being this

[@mchoffner8497]

Some things are actually quite simple, and we complicate things despite common sense and innate instinct. My first impression when this case first happened remains, and I hope shall be finally proven.

[@HumanResource-sp6fg]

This makes a lot of sense, Burke could of made this at some other time before the murder. I google rope and toggle and it looks just like what was made to choke JonBenet. Also Burke did not clean up after himself, so he could of just made it and thrown it anywhere. It looks like Burke spent time down the basement playing, his trains were down there. Still that still means Patsy could of strangled her in the basement using anything that was available. This just might be a crime of anger, Burke could of hit her with something and Patsy strangled her with what was available.

[@izabellaSands]

Yeah , She was singing: God bless America , my home sweet home , it wasn't so sweet , was it ? Is America home sweet home ? Europe is safer .

[@moviestarmemories630]

LOL, is that all you have to say about this case?BTW i just heard about a horrrific knife attack in Germany.

[@RawOlympia]

Boy scouts do that sort of thing ~ practice knots, etc. ~ little fingers are nimble, that's why complex bracelets in Mexico are made by children, not adults with the big clumsy hands ~ thnx for your insight into this disturbing case. Whittled, indeed.

[@caroline61804]

@@79bewareofpuppies97 he taught his son that? Hmmmm. Maybe

[@estherpennington7826]

I bet he widdled out of anxiety

[@robert-pj3bc]

Anxiety and or repetitive behavior indicative of autistic spectrum?

[@fairygal8223]

It is possible.

[@seriouslyjoking2]

@@robert-pj3bc Autism could have comorbid disorders such as anxiety or OCD, but not necessarily.

[@lorimiller4301]

I did some whittling with a little jack knife as a Kid. There was a feeling of power to having the knife and being able to carve into the wood. I enjoyed it for awhile. I do believe Burke hated Jon Bennet on some level but to strangle her twice and crack her on the head is a bit much for a nine year old ?

[@seka1986]

@@lorimiller4301 what did you whittle?

[@babbling_b1239]

Burke was a Boy Scout right? So he had to learn knots of all sorts and he had to learn to whittle certain shapes, as well as learn to make tourniquet and do basic first aide. There are tons of other reasons a kid would learn these things particularly when his father was stationed at a navy base. That could have been guy bonding skills or a way to stim that he was taught- a self soothing technique. Depending on who helped with scouts the mom could have known them as well. I learned some of that stuff with my dad and then helped my oldest son in scouts meeting those required skills lessons.

[@ArtZen111]

How about it was a dumb ass friend from some where and not even anyone in the family like a teen ager kid anywhere from fifteen to 21 who knew them

[@angelagilliam7762]

By possibly writing the ransom note, Patsy was PROTECTING somebody.....but whom......was it John, I don't think so.....So who...???? Let's assume that there was no entry by an intruder, so who could She (Patsy) be covering up for....???? Alright well, let's ask one more question....If you are a Mother and you have two children at home, one has been murdered, and the other....???? Would you want to lose both children in one night, so you might be willing to cover up something....Also, why was Burke hustled off so fast to a neighbor's house....???? These questions are just a few to be pondered.

[@dariusmenda8487]

The floating dot in “Mr• Ramsey” at the start of the ransom note copies the 1984 “Dot” on the “Dr Pepper•” on the logo .. For “Dr Pepper•” marketing always had the problem of the “•” was mistaken as an “L” and at one time in the 50’s completely eliminated. Patsy Ramsey used to work for Coca Cola .. A “Major Competitor” of “Dr Pepper•” .. Patsy Ramsey was on the front cover of April 1996 “Women’s Magazine” .. There’s a large stack of April 1996 “Women’s Magazine” in the basement on the bureau. A can of “Dr Pepper•” was in Burke’s train room in front of the movie poster “Death on the Nile” & another “Dr Pepper•” was at Michael Helgoth’s staged suicide.