Nietzsche is Dead and We Killed Him

[@thenihilisticphilosopher2957]

Having CPTSD has helped me understand Nietzsche In a way that I couldn’t appreciate before my trauma.

[@georgschafer740]

He will live on in our hearts and in Hades, arguing with Plato forever.

[@ami1649]

🙏🏻

[@Efesus67]

1:06 And Stoicism too. So much so, that not just bros, but many people believe Stoicism is about "being stoic", about being undefeatable and all sorts of bullshit.

[@vg4414]

Thank you for articulating all this in a way unlike any I've heard before!

[@jasonmitchell5219]

That was very enjoyable and a much needed counter to these online fanboys who interpret him both superficially and via their own psychological inclinations.

[@pallav5833]

What an enlightening analysis! You eloquently shed light on Nietzsche's true character which is miles apart from the bitter doomer/incel persona attributed to him by many atheist/nihilist type content creators.

[@jasonmitchell5219]

Nietzsche has, somewhat, became a kind of self-help guru to misguided people, and not just adolescent boys. I reckon he knew this would be unavoidable regardless of what steps he took to avoid it and I think this explains to some extent, some of his more seemingly outrageous claims. We've certainly mutilated him, for the most part, but not killed him. It's a good title for a video though.

[@jasonmitchell5219]

I forgot to say that I think you're better equipped now to talk to Daniel Tutt, another video I enjoyed even though it was rather one-sided. Daniel does like to talk though, which is fine, lol.

[@ami1649]

Yeah, I'm often better equipped to do an interview after said interview has come and gone 🤷 but I'm grateful to Dr. Tutt and his book for inspiring me to go back and study Nietzsche more carefully.

[@nipsonanomimata]

Phenomenal video

[@duk2112]

Nietzsche was always anti-authority and worked to dismantle it so definitely not into hierarchy.

[@ami1649]

See Nietzsche's writing about the Indian caste system in the Antichrist (he loves it) or any of nietzsche's writing about slavery in The Gay Science and beyond...but it's 100% true that a lot of the Nietzsche community on KZbin flatly ignore this part of his writing and try to present nietzsche as some kind of free-wheeling anarchist.

[@Barklord]

Must watch this later.

[@Barklord]

Is your understanding of N's superman like the classical Cynic? Or, even Charles Bukowski in his poem "Dinosauria, We" (Born Into This)? At first, it seems like N (maybe paradoxically) describes a Plotinian awaking to one’s participation in eternal nature in the moment. It also seems like acceptance of 'what is' without wanting to change it also lends itself to a conservative smugness; so we end up with some new mistaken ideal that gets projected onto others as somehow less-than or more-than. If Nietzsche's philosophy is born out of suffering, then it points to struggle and battle as the source of learning and improvement through struggle - but it also implies values in conflict, which implies politics. It seems like he is constantly judging and comparing himself against others while saying he's beyond such things. I think there's an element of retroactive justification for wrongdoing that gets used by shallow readers of N to eliminate any blowback from past actions. It plays out when people dismiss actual victims by calling them whiners, etc. We see this in creeps who say things like: *"The descendents of slavery are better-off now than they would have been otherwise."* -As if a slaveholder had offered the option to become a slave to non-slaves with the promise that the suffering will be worth it for them and for their descendents. It's as if they want to build a shield to protect themselves from retribution and thus avoid the natural consequences/suffering which comes from inflicting harm on others. Yet, in the wake of a terrorist attack, like Sept 11, there's a tendency to hold on to the role of victim so as to justify future reactive violence (even when it's directed at an unrelated source). In other words, there's a tendency to view one's own actions as legitimate self-initiated Will, and others as reactive and stemming from resentiment. If Jesus was a Cynic or Anarchist, then most modern Christianity has aligned itself with the bloated imperial establishment for Mammon.

[@Barklord]

I meant to add: If we try to ignore political realities as if we have transcended them, then we effectively maintain the status quo through depoliticization and conformity to something like "capitalist realism." This has, in fact, happened through the rule-based pseudo ethical system of liberal markets and economic individualism. People tend to measure and evaluate themselves by their positions in society and mimetic desire (Gogol's Overcoat, Dead Souls), which is ordered by that hierarchical system of misincentivization. Politics has been replaced by economic rationality as the foundation of authority. I wonder whether this is intentional or unintentional.

[@Barklord]

The idea of embracing pain also reminds me of the test Paul Atreides 'passes' in Dune. The problem is that, existentially, it makes sense to pass such a test because enduring pain can be a positive learning experience. The part I disagree with is that it is a contrived test that inflicts pain on another person who then becomes the arbiter of one's worthiness to be considered truly human. If the pain is consciously imposed or retracted, it doesn't necessarily lead to a nobler or wiser person. It could also be a manipulation that requires people to prove their worthiness to others by enduring situations that benefit the one inflicting the pain.

[@ami1649]

great insights here @@Barklord thanks for the comments. Nietzsche was definitely political, even if Nietzsche and his readers see him as being above politics. Lots of good points around suffering as well. I think it's fair to say that Nietzsche had some blindspots or that his philosophy is often not applicable/practical in our real world...lots of food for thought here!

[@saintonfire77]

I found this video thought provoking-thanks for sharing your thoughts. I recently picked up used 'Friedrich Nietzsche A Philosophical Biography' by Julian Young. In Goodreads there is interesting review of Young's biography on Nietzsche-check it out-it is the long review wherein the fellow mentions this biography on Nietzsche 'Nietzsche, The Aristocratic Rebel-Intellectual Biography and Critical Balance-Sheet' by Domenico Losurdo Introduced by Harrison Fluss Translated by Gregor Benton. (1 Peter 1:24,25/New Testament)

[@ami1649]

Thank you Jonny. I will definitely check out that review you mentioned 🙏🏻