Nighthaunt vs Jawz of Mork Age of Sigmar Battle Report Ep 98

[@miniwargaming]

ARMY LISTS: NightHaunt Army: Allegiance: Nighthaunt Leaders Lady Olynder, Mortarch of Grief (200) - General - Lore of the Underworlds: Soul Cage Tomb Banshee (80) Knight of Shrouds on Ethereal Steed (120) Guardian of Souls with Nightmare Lantern (130) - Artefact: Midnight Tome - Lore of the Underworlds: Shademist Knight of Shrouds (100) Spirit Torment (120) Battleline 40 x Chainrasp Horde (280) 10 x Grimghast Reapers (160) 10 x Grimghast Reapers (160) Units 5 x Dreadscythe Harridans (70) 5 x Dreadscythe Harridans (70) 4 x Myrmourn Banshees (70) 4 x Myrmourn Banshees (70) Behemoths Black Coach (220) Battalions Shrieker Host (140) Total: 1990 / 2000 Extra Command Points: 1 Allies: 0 / 400 Wounds: 122 Jaws of Mork Army: Allegiance: Gloomspite Gitz Leaders Loonboss on Mangler Squigs (280) - Artefact: The Clammy cowl Loonboss on Giant Cave Squig (110) - General - Moon-cutta - Command Trait: Envoy of the Overbounder - Artefact: Syari Screamersquig Loonboss on Giant Cave Squig (110) - Moon-cutta - Artefact: The Pipes of Doom Madcap Shaman (80) - Lore of the Moonclans: Squig Lure Fungoid Cave-Shaman (90) - Lore of the Moonclans: Itchy Nuisance Battleline 12 x Squig Herd (140) 12 x Squig Herd (140) 10 x Squig Hoppers (180) Units 10 x Boingrot Bounderz (200) 10 x Boingrot Bounderz (200) Behemoths Mangler Squigs (240) Battalions Moon-Biter Squigalanche (90) Moon-Jumper Stampede (140) Total: 2000 / 2000 Extra Command Points: 2 Allies: 0 / 400 Wounds: 152

[@brutallycunning4881]

Seeing Mangler Squigs is great, but now gimme Troggoth´s baby!!!!

[@bennarvaez9174]

Great looking armies! Love watching you guys play. Out of curiosity, what allows the squigs to be part of multiple battalions?

[@harvey485]

Hey dudes, The Troggoth allegiance abilities/battalions Matt was talking about in the post-game is in White Dwarf #457. Hope that helps!

[@opesam]

When I started playing AoS I just forgot about the double turn mechanic for a lot of games and honestly didn't feel it was required, but also accept it's a part of the game.

[@ElGoddardo]

Great to see some of the less loved armies get some games in! Good job guys

[@benn1181]

Find an army that makes you as happy as Matthew's gitz make him.

[@josephskiles]

That's my grot army, I love those little guys each and every stabba!

[@gameswithtoasty3246]

"I can't tell his butt from his face!" *realises Squigs have giant gaping maws* *feels a sense of dread as to what that means in regards to their butts*

[@sirbobulous]

'Preparing for the double turn' often revolves around bringing enough screening units to allow you to absorb the enemy attacks and leaving your heavy hitter units free to counterattack. Which is fine. But it does constrain the kind of lists you can bring as you have to think about what units are your sacrificial screens. Spending points on models you don't like or don't want for the sole purpose of getting in the way of the enemy, etc.

[@GreyHunter88]

The most fun game I've watched here for a while. Stayed close and interesting throughout, with no shooting and no double-turn. Makes me actually want to play Age of Sigmar again!

[@Eiirk]

Pendant of the Fell Wind aura reads "... wholly within 12" of the bearer at the start of that normal move." not start of the movement phase, so bearer could actually move and give aura to new unit. Which makes it even juicier!

[@christopherrivera4130]

A spiderfang centric subfaction from White Dwarf 459, and Troggoth's are in 457.

[@BR4IN1N4J4R]

It's a shame the Spiderfang faction is weak. Glogg's Megamob however is a blast. I honestly think Matt would have so much fun with an All Troggoth army with a Hag especially because the Hag can respawn on a 4+ from the Shrine. Also, Luka should definitely give the Emerald Host Battalions a whirl. He'd get a kick out of them

[@D00M3R-SK8]

are the rules not online?

[@BR4IN1N4J4R]

They are on Wahapaedia and WSB

[@josephskiles]

@@BR4IN1N4J4R unfortunately they changed the rules where the hag can no longer respawn because of her wound count, it's a shame as she's an auto include in all my lists, I love that model!

[@BR4IN1N4J4R]

@@josephskiles She's still excellent. Just the cheese vanished, which I approve of

[@viktorhalasz7265]

Put in a unit of sneaky snufflers for 70points to give your bounders +1 attack on each melee weapon - yes on those damage 2 bites as well :D

[@locke5954]

I second this.

[@MrPoopchunk1]

3rd

[@KP-ek7qu]

Fun report, but Luka seems to played too much with OBR. As shocking as is, NH actually has to roll for battleshock 😁

[@colinpessselato5206]

I scrolled thru to see what pol thought about the new way yall r playing and all I have to say is this channel isnt built around the competitive scene. They play more fun list and the reports are enjoyable to watch. I enjoy yalls reports and if the double was hindering reports than do what works best for yall.

[@shadeling6717]

i agree the nighthaunt scary ladies are great. Nighthaunts was the army that got me into AOS and i really hope they get a updated book soon. The harridans were one of my favorites and i wish you would see them more.

[@funnyfarmsted]

Btw They start playing at around 13:26 if you want to know

[@mikey_vengenz]

I feel like Lady Olynder's ability would be more useful with multi wound summonable units. So... hexwraiths and spirit hosts. Lol

[@627hjc]

I use to run her with 12 spirit hosts and the executioners hoard battalion, was very good fun :D

[@627hjc]

@Afk 2sec you’re just rude.

[@TheSniperGTO]

@Afk 2sec Pretty sure they are smarter about the game than you. They pick these lists for some variety. They aren’t tournament lists. It would be boring if every list was optimized, because you would never see lots of units on the table. It’s for fun, not Win At All Cost.

[@TheSniperGTO]

@Afk 2sec Huh. I always found them to be very likable and friendly, always willing to answer questions or provide input. I will say it won’t be the same now that Brian has left. Like Tabletop Tactics without Mr. Bone, it just won’t be the same.

[@datheavyguyiguess]

I play 40k, but I enjoy watching age of sigmar from time to time, and the double turn makes no sense. In the LOTR strategy batlle game it makes a little more sense since the turn sequence is I move you move then I shoot then you shoot etc. But having the possibility of getting double turned so severely by losing a whole turns worth of actions based on a dice roll is unfun to me.

[@bombarded15]

Perfect comparison. It's like in the Bolt Action set of games getting the first pull out of the bag will give you the advantage to make a critical attack/move but hardly a chance of getting to unload your whole army before your opponent can react. Especially with shooting armies in AoS it's just busted

[@datheavyguyiguess]

@@bombarded15 Age of Sigmar was not future proofed with ranged factions in mind. Thats why double turns are dumb

[@bartholen]

I dunno, with the games of AoS I've played it's been surprisingly balanced. But yeah, a double turn of shooting is just stupid.

[@krimson4980]

Night goblin squig hurders in fantasy had 2 goblins per base so had 2 wounds, maybe thats a wink at the old game. Best quote "man, everything is so maybe fast"

[@larrywagner1432]

This was such a fun batrep! Really exciting to something so darn close.

[@juwebles4352]

I would really love to see jaws of mork make a reapperance in the gloomspite gitz 3rd ed battletome

[@vocenoctum2046]

Whenever I see the Squigs I can only think of the Futurama Starship Troopers spoof. "These balls are making me testy!"

[@somenihilist8509]

Very old video to post a reply on: I know. :) But I have to ask @mwg studios => can you tell me what kind of green you used for your grots? Specifically the ones on the mangler squigs?

[@dansplans86]

You know you have played too much Warhammer when... “on a 4 up I’ll let you do it.” 😂

[@isaacsmith5588]

If the AoS app doesn't have the Squigalanche or Squig rider stampede warscrolls, then went does it exist? I've got the 2019 battletome, and all the rules from White Dwarf for squigs are in there.

[@tetres51]

It's a white dwarf rule set. They made all white dwarf rules legal recently, he mentions the number at the beginning of the video.

[@mastertama3435]

25:10 why didn't you move in contact with the closest model?

[@nobodyimportant5417]

In a competitive environment, or in a very asymmetric game, I love the double turn capability. For a friendly game, meh. I would think random activations of single units (die roll, marker in a bag, whatever) would add some randomness without having such an overwhelming impact.

[@mordororc6970]

Nice Bad Moon Loonshrine

[@jamiegarner9955]

Interesting battle report gentlemen. Those chain-rasps are £25 in UK for a box of 10, therefore those 40 chain-rasps are £100 worth of models, destroyed in 1st battle round! Maybe something for vault content to discuss troops that might cost a lot financially, and work out pretty useless in-game. Big fan of the channel guys, keep up the good work!

[@marcosbernaolasanz403]

The Mortal Realms partwork has been a blessing for people that play Nighthaunt. Issue 1 had 10 chainrasps for I think 3 quid, so some people bought a truckload of them.

[@Trolleri87]

Would love to see you guys play Gloggs Mega Mob.

[@pritambiswal2951]

Hey MWG....Luka I hv a question for you. Can I give all my Great Unclean Ones (obviously not named ones) Bileblade and doomsday bell....I don't like massive bilesword and plagueflail.

[@Hdhhdhdjfjdndndskmdjdjddjdjjd]

I'm not luka, but yes you can equip all of your great unclean ones with bell and daggers.

[@pritambiswal2951]

@@Hdhhdhdjfjdndndskmdjdjddjdjjd thank you so much....so does that mean all my GUOs can now hv +1 to casting (via putrid offering)???

[@Hdhhdhdjfjdndndskmdjdjddjdjjd]

@@pritambiswal2951 yes you could run multiple GUOs, all with bell and dagger, than use putrid offering on all of them.

[@pritambiswal2951]

@@Hdhhdhdjfjdndndskmdjdjddjdjjd thanks sir

[@Hdhhdhdjfjdndndskmdjdjddjdjjd]

@@pritambiswal2951 welcome, and have fun within your great unclean ones.

[@chaosrex1487]

So is this the same room they use over and over or different rooms? This chaos room is awesome.

[@lotzie5770]

2 units of 5 squig hoppers to grab objectives quick more bounderz to hit hard!! Adjusted my list when the white dwarf came out and it's been awesome. drop the the squigalanch for another shaman. Great content as always glad to see my gits get some love!!

[@lightfeet5117]

Mixed Skaven army would be nice to see..maybe throw in a Verminlord? :D

[@Breakdown10000X]

Harridans make low leadership models -1 to hit. Also every time the enemy fails a morale check you can heal a death hero 1 wound

[@LordBobIV1]

I’m just learning and teaching to my friends and we’re skipping random turns. How do you two feel about alternating activations? Could it be done in AoS?

[@stax6092]

That was awesome. The proper turn order is so nice, It really throws the game off balance when you have to roll for each turn because there is no setting yourself up for both not getting the double turn and getting the double turn. So I am really glad you guys are playing in a better more balanced fashion, and so far it seems like each game with it is better and you guys seem to actually be enjoying it more which is great.

[@Iarejebuslol]

Gloomspite was a great book and makes the gitz pretty terrifying.

[@pixieethemage6215]

Hell yeah dude I play spiderfang and loooove it

[@josephskiles]

I want to get it, I loved the Skarsnik novel

[@erikslimarik1526]

You forgot to heal your heroes when enemies failed battleshock!

[@piewarriorny]

As someone who has defended keeping the random roll off in AoS (though lately I'm less likely too), I'm more than fine with the house ruling. I'm here to watch you guys have fun. There are plenty of other channels I can, and do watch, for people to play more competitively. Oh also TROLLLLLLLLLLS

[@aaronharnack9411]

Makes me happy to see Goblins do work! :)

[@swaggyshadow2124]

Although i understand the double turn can ruin a game, i think it would be ok of you concede if it was clear that your were going to lose but you play the game differently knowing you have the next turn so the game changes significantly when you play without it.

[@bombarded15]

I totally agree with them ditching it for more entertaining games, but would've liked to see them roll anyway, quickly go over what that would likely lead to in the circumstance if a double popped up, and then go over how it changed the game in the post-game at the end of the video. Who knows, might spark a larger conversation in the community and set an example people can look at of how it would improve the game.

[@SneezyIsGaming]

This was an awesome match. I am so tired of watching players get tabled by shooting armies. No more KO!! Ban them bois. Nothings worse than going for friendlies and some kid pulls out a KO army and starts sweating like he is playing CoD. Great game guys. Thanks for the content!!!

[@rubengerritsen6868]

Oh my this game makes me so excited to start playing once my country opens the game stores again 🤞🏼

[@jonathondaniels2127]

Removing the random turn mechanic pretty much makes predatory endless spells all or nothing. If you're going second then you can cast away knowing you'll always get to move it, however if you're going first why on earth would you cast one knowing that your opponent will be able to move it every single turn?

[@maybevoldemort8995]

Agreed, but you could do it and roll off for endless spells. I’m not a massive fan of random turns, so would happily just roll for spells

[@haydnwilliams5027]

What I tend to do is roll off to see who moves the first spell (winner picks which one they want to move) then alternate until all spells have been moved.

[@bakuchidancer]

The jaw of mork artifact gives +1 to hit for BEARER. Not even the mount. The bearer. The goblin hero. So even for boss on mangler squig it gives +1 to hit just to couple goblin attack. It's really lackluster artifact. Only hero you can give it that makes it good is troll boss.

[@Sklertic]

If you get rid of the double turn, then you need to make the first turn a roll off as well, or armies who can easily grab good battalions will have a clear advantage.

[@bombarded15]

Sounds better than having to build around one-drops etc. Two birds one stone

[@jonathondaniels2127]

What about the battleplans that incentify you for going second, letting you burn objectives or scoring more for going second? That would not be balanced for a YGIG turn sequence.

[@ShadowGear7]

yea I'd ignore that double turn thing if its for entertainments sake. cant always have those 30 minute games if you are trying to make good content.

[@jamesn2830]

I respect your decision to play the game in a way that makes it more fun for you, it is a game and it’s meant to be enjoyed. However, as a KZbin viewer, I will be more likely gravitate towards videos that show battle reports with rules as written. Nothing personal, but if I’m going to watch a game, I’d rather watch one that resembles the game I play opposed to a custom one. Nice looking armies though!

[@sturm9087]

Technically they are still playing rules as written. Nothing in the rules says you have to take a double turn if you win the roll off and the players have decided that even if they win they don’t want to go twice in a row so they have cut the rolling for turn for times sake.

[@jacoblong7356]

As nighthaunt you can literally walk through screening units and push them out of the objective with your grimy gastys

[@D00M3R-SK8]

is this as good as WHFB? a lot of the mini's seem a bit over done for this game (to me anyway) but there are some nice bits as well. I love the night gobbo stuff. "we iz gobbo's" EDIT: you're running a full squig army? haha, awesome. is this how Gobbo's are now, do you have to take squigs, or do they still have all the other stuff, too?

[@marcosbernaolasanz403]

They can use other stuff too. These same guys have other batreps using gobbos, and on some of them use a big block of night goblins.

[@D00M3R-SK8]

@@marcosbernaolasanz403 thanks. yeah I have had a look. they're pretty much just a fleshed out night gobblins, rather than a sub faction (like they were in fantasy)

[@Sybok51288]

WFB is too much for me. age of sigmar 1st edition was better than this current third. but its gotten more complex and i think games like king of war, oathmark, or age of fantasy from one page rules are much more fun than age of sigmar regardless of edition. for competitive scene there is 9th age (gold edition) which i also like

[@chaddaley4590]

Great bat rep, thank you

[@Lodorn]

Q: If a model is slain but later returned to its unit in the same turn, does it count as being slain for battleshock tests? If it were slain, returned and slain again, would it count as being slain twice? A: Yes to both questions. Page 7 FAQ for the Core Rules. Reviving models before the battleshock test is taken, does not make that test easier. The same amount of models counts as slain as before the revive.

[@InvinciblKillerQueen]

*model is returned from death* *excited Luka noises*

[@locke5954]

My local group have also abandoned the double turn. It's not fun now. Things are more killy and there's a lot more shooting than there used to be. We agree that double turn ruins more games than it helps.

[@D00M3R-SK8]

Those undead are nice as well actually. there isn't anything there that seems particularly over sculpted. There are definitely some bigger kits I've seen of things that were just to much though. I think it was a big cart made out of people or something, it was pretty bad, ha ha. it might have been chaos though, I really can't remember. PS: a cart made out of people can be cool, this thing was just too much though, I wish I could remember what it was, as then I'd share it (I seen it previewed at the end of 2019)

[@augustocarnevale1900]

Da bad moon spoke to me

[@mordororc6970]

To me too

[@jamesn2830]

Da bad moon tells me goodnight

[@maybevoldemort8995]

I like the removal of the double turn. Makes the game way better tbh. I don’t like the “gotcha” of the double turn. Especially casually, it just feels like it can be a bit anti fin. I don’t want to double turn anyone and my opponents don’t want to double turn me when we are having fun and not taking the game too seriously

[@chrissmith5049]

Definitely agree, should make things way more predictable but like you said, with way less of the ‘feel bass’ from double turns

[@toadsage7194]

i had no idea MWG was in Ontario! only about 50 mins from me. NEAT

[@benn1181]

Lucky. Some day they'll have guests again I'd be there as much as I could if I was local

[@natebox4550]

Go and eat them.

[@vladvoncarstein1568]

Love this battle report. I have to agree the random turn rules are lame, my group house ruled them out the window along time ago, glad to see other do the same.

[@tomyorke3412]

From the depths of hell in silence Cast their spells, explosive violence Russian night time flight perfected Flawless vision, undetected

[@pixieethemage6215]

Matt needs to Quirk it up and bring a spiderfang army like real men do

[@josephskiles]

Real men run grots, and worship their lovely Trogg princess as GorkaMorka intended

[@quintonstephenson707]

My 2 favourite armies playing

[@striderfox71]

Its just better for you guys to go the "your turn, my turn" way of things for both fun and practicality wise when it comes to content. From quite abit of videos I've seen of AOS from you guys, some games get ruined when someone is double turned when trying to either represent new rules, new armies, or new units in the battle reports. I hope this house rule stays in effect do to you guys having more fun and support from the majority of your viewers saying the same.

[@dingding12321]

I think double turns would be less backbreaking if it weren't for fine-tuned battalions and the like making most lists light on wounds and super heavy on damage/mobility. Plus if there was any sort of penalty for shooting during double turns I can't see how that would ever be a bad thing lol.

[@piewarriorny]

@Mathew Regarding making lists on the official Azyr app GW doesn't seem to care about updating it except every now and then. Warscroll Builder is the way to go and it does use the White Dwarf rules. As for how "valid" it is its hosted literally part of the official warhammer community site

[@victorbaugh1355]

Why does gloomspite sound like Dr Seuss characters

[@CesarIsaacPerez]

Great game as usual but I love the roll for initiative every round... missed it.

[@justanormalguy3457]

A bit confused, why are they playing jaws of Mork if they are using the moon allegiance ability? I thought you could only either do the moon or the movement reroll.

[@nathanresendez4034]

I've noticed even in the 40k batreps that the games are typically one sided and over after BR1

[@WarbossFraka]

Not really, 40k is very much so not a game of 1st turn advantage, in fact second is often better.

[@nathanresendez4034]

@@WarbossFraka well I meant that after battle round 1 the game is pretty much decided because all the key pieces of one side are gone or bracketed to be useless

[@WarbossFraka]

@@nathanresendez4034 That almost never happens unless its a big model with 18w and cant hide obscuring terrain.

[@nathanresendez4034]

@@WarbossFraka Okay well even the game of 40k Admec vs Sisters a few days ago the game was pretty much one sided by battle round 2 and decided. I'm just saying that both armies didn't get a chance to shine. Also there are other games that I've seen even in the vault within the last month where its about 40 minutes and after both players take turn 1 you can tell who won already. I know it can't be tense and close every time, but perhaps there is a pattern? I mean multiple times AoS is decided by who gets the double turn. One sided batreps aren't fun

[@WarbossFraka]

@@nathanresendez4034 Mostly because they choose not to hide their shit behind terrain. I do agree one sided battle reports are not fun and double turn does nothing but enforce that idea. It also favors ranged armies far more then melee.

[@lieutenantgothmog4370]

Ok so you guys fixed the pilot level activation step from yesterday, but I’m still at a loss over something. At 41:42, you talk about how your Khazad Guard are going to spend 1CP for Devout Push to make it into the Land Raider, but you were out of CP. You catch this later, but you don’t correct the game state. Were you doing like a loaned CP type of program or am I missing something? Thanks and GG (Vader is OP).

[@havok100]

If your having a problem with a game mechanic I think a better solution is looking at army construction, not removing that mechanic from the game.

[@josephskiles]

I have wanted to read gloomspite, I loved Skarsnik!

[@MrSaltycrackers]

This is much more fun to watch without the random double turns ending games on turn 2 every batrep

[@caspianbchalphy]

I like the double turn, BUT I understand why some people don’t like it. Thing is though this is your group and you can use whatever house rules you want. Yes your putting your stuff out there for entertainment and have a paid subscription service so that would mean you’d want it to be more entertaining or not use house rules because of your audience so idk what to tell you. There have been times I was losing and it’s helped me bounce back. There are times when I got the double turn and still lost. Yes it’s random and that can make someone steamroll over another player if they are lucky that day, but that can still happen if it’s player A then player B then player A then player B as player A turn 1 could get into suck a good position that if player B didn’t get a double turn they’d probably lose. Judging from the comments and my own experience it seems that now predatory endless spells would be worse in this situation and many battle plans are unusable since they rely on the double turn feature making them balanced. There are ways to fix this like rolling for first turn and rolling at the start of each round to see who controls the endless spell, but it just seems like too much work for me. Basically people can play the game how they want but saying that removing the feature will make the game better or more balanced/fair isn’t correct.

[@SeasonofWar]

I've watched MWG for 10+ years throughout my hobby journey - but personally I'm not interested in watching 'open play' games (which is what this is with the removal of the priority mechanic). Its saddening to think about the impact this could have on new players because of your influence in the hobby - the priority mechanic adds so much depth to the game of AoS, and it is significantly more shallow without it, and its removal introduces a whole plethora of other issues. As others have said, I think a better solution would be playing with the mechanic, but communicating clearly if you decide to 'change the outcome' for the sake of extending the game. You guys have done this in the past, not sure what was wrong with that approach. I would have simply stopped the video and gone on my way but you asked for feedback in the comments, so I thought I'd share mine. Still wish you guys all the best, but It's definitely disappointing for me.

[@LordBobIV1]

I am a newer player with less time to play. I would prefer the games I get to play remain competitive throughout the game and aren’t just ended by a doubleturn . Nothing feels worse then taking all the time to play only for it to be over on turn 3. We skip the random turns because of this. Sometimes convenience and positive play experience outweigh rules purity.

[@Rhaenday]

My biggest gripe with AoS is the double turn possibility. Odds are it only happens once to either benefit or detriment one player and is always either a huge swing / boost or both players are too defensive for it to matter, thus it isn't needed at best, and skews the entire match on a single roll at worst..

[@davidgantenbein9362]

I started thinking: what if the charge phase would be organized like the fight phase. With players taking turns instead of just one player charging. Like that the kind of predictable charges when not using random turns could become less of an issue. I got the idea while watching the battle report between Matt and Josh, where basically the player that gets to charge wins. That report would not have been improved by removing random turns as it would have just ended with Matt instead of Josh getting all the free charges. But with some kind of counter charge mechanics the movement would have become quite tricky for both and being able to properly screen would still have mattered. Maybe reorganizing the charge phase would help, but I don’t play AoS, so difficult to judge for me. What do you people think?

[@jimmyjims9548]

The double turn is ridiculous. Good on ya for getting rid of it. This is not a competitive channel and the "the rules as written" gus will always complain about something. Good batrep!

[@Skillmatic11]

Can you run and retreat?? I thought you had to choose one move to do and retreat and run are two separate things.

[@dorgrim]

falling back is a normal move, you just have to end further than 3" and cant shoot, charge. running is added to normal moves.

[@Codiac411]

For Steve’s trolls, it’s White Dwarf issue #457.

[@beardhammerwargaming]

SQUIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGS!!!!!!!!

[@RuffStuff420]

Random turns is a stupid rule, there is no preparing for it.

[@nyallleary1643]

picks army with good rend... rend doesnt work on ghosts XD would have been better off with a block of grots

[@pixieethemage6215]

Lol look at this hero tryhard list tailoring a casual game. I wish I could be you

[@gaminginmymomsbasement]

great batrep guys. Also my group is going to be implementing the no double turns but we might be adding secondaries like 40k in its place. Its literally a GAME. Have fun...

[@Sackclothman7679]

It's possible with random turns that one guy would go 3/1

[@davidgantenbein9362]

How? In AoS the randomness is limited to the order within one round. Both players will still have 1 turn per round. So a 3 to 1 shouldn’t be mathematically possible.

[@okkytv5684]

MWG, play it the way you prefer. If you say double turns more often ruins a game than help it I'll trust you. Just wanna keep seeing cool models and fun games 👌 While I'm commenting, love your format. Alot of thoughts and stuff yet still relatively short videos. Also good camera angles with the occasional "overview". Keep up the good work!

[@WarbossFraka]

"Build around the double turn" really only means one thing and its boring. Take a screen to soak a charge and that is it. Its not fun to be double turned nor is it fun to double turn. It doesn't make it more strategic, in fact is quite the opposite. Screw the double turn, hell go play AoS on TTS and nobody uses it because its awful. it also fits this channels less competitive side of things battle reports.

[@swaggyshadow2124]

Idk about no one using the x2 turn

[@WarbossFraka]

@@swaggyshadow2124 Randoms on TTS I've played with don't nor does anybody at my local group last we played. Its a rule the vast majority despise.

[@swaggyshadow2124]

@@WarbossFraka still saying vast majority feels unfair but ok

[@jonathondaniels2127]

I take it nobody takes predatory endless spells then? Knowing that if you go first and cast one, your enemy controls it every turn for the rest of the game.

[@WarbossFraka]

@@jonathondaniels2127 The one time I had somebody take it was we simply did a roll off to see who controlled it.

[@Cygax]

Definitely not a fan of the double turn. It feels like every batrep I watch which has it happen gets rid of all the tension. Like, oh I guess because I got a double turn I just win now, gg. It's boring

[@ThomFoolery12]

thanks for the more balanced match ups

[@Ragnarok2504]

Personally, I applaud the decision to remove the double turn thing. It ruins the game for me, so I'm happy to see how good the game can be without it.

[@MagicAlfi]

never again double turns... just make the game worse.

[@milliliters930]

No random turns APPROVED. GJ guys.

[@Jmann-jj1jo]

36 mins in the fact the double turn could of put a much more heavier choice on if inspiring presence for Matt would of added so much more tactical choice as well. Personal opinion but just saying the double turn should be always be in play

[@yorky_uks5670]

love the games as ever. I'd just like to say that the double turn mechanic is in for exactly the opposite of the stuff at the start of vid - it is there to stop games being one sided. You are never out of the game with this mechanic as you could always get the chance to get back into the game I'd counter that it is exactly not having this mechanic that makes so many 40k battle reports (not just this channel) so boring as by end of player 1 turn 1 you pretty much know the game is over as player 2 can never pull it back But like all things hobby - each to their own i guess enjoyed the report

[@sturm9087]

Except the double turn can easily decide games if the player ahead gets it. Theres far less chance to come back if you are losing and get double turned. 40k would be even worse with this mechanic. Imagine 2 shooting phases in a row from ad mech or Tau. Would wipe most factions off the table with zero effort.

[@tomb4610]

Random turns is one of the worst parts about the game.

[@BaylorCorvette]

Minimal shooting. Just how AoS SHOULD be played!

[@Voodoowolfe]

100% agree on double turn discussion at start. Of all the batreps/streamed games of AoS, double turns ruin the game.

[@graydreid]

Double turns make stuff interesting for the viewers

[@jimmyjims9548]

Nope

[@stonehorn4641]

The double turn definitely needs to go

[@derekali2584]

I can't see myself watching AoS batreps on the channel anymore. It already started to feel like AoS was the joke game, and removing the double turn just adds to that. If you take out the double turn, then you have to change how you determine 1st turn as well as how some battle plans have advantages to going first or second. Knife to the Heart gives the first player the shot at winning the game starting battle round 3. Shifting objectives and starstrike gives the first player advantage to reacting to objectives. Blade's edge allows the second player to choose which objective to remove. Without the double turn, you can list build to those advantages. AoS isn't 40k and shouldn't played as such.

[@maciejmierzejewski6607]

They don't have to play those battle plans... And also if they prefer it, and the vast majority of people watching enjoy it, then it's a good change. Their bat reps, at least AoS, aren't as serious, so they shouldn't be treated so seriously. They are here to make an enjoyable battlereport, and not one that's 30min long because one of them got a double turn round 2 and wiped the other, and that has happened and everyone was pissed in the comments.

[@derekali2584]

Sure, and that's fine. I was just stating that you can't just remove the double turn, more thought needs to go into it. They asked for feedback, that's what I provided. Unfortunately the AoS batreps are no longer my cup of tea.

[@maciejmierzejewski6607]

True, sorry to hear that you're not enjoying it.

[@marc-andredeslauriers7687]

Damn. I hate the removal of double turns. Gonna sit this one out, have fun regardless!