Nightwish: Phantom of the Opera (Floor and Tarja) Reaction | The Daily Doug (Episode 547)

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Doug Helvering

Doug Helvering

Жыл бұрын

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In this edition of #thedailydoug, I'm returning to Nightwish and listening to two versions of their cover of Phantom of the Opera by Andrew Lloyd Webber. I first listened to their cover in episode 86 two years ago. Now, I'm reminding myself of this live version featuring Tarja Turunen before listening to the band's new release of the song featuring vocals by Floor Jansen and veteran stage actor/singer Henk Poort. I loved hearing both versions, especially noting the contrasts in vocal color and delivery. I hope you enjoy!
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@an0ana
@an0ana Жыл бұрын
I heard Tarja's version first and while I absolutely love Floor and her vocal range, Tarja and Marko's version hits better to me because of how their voices blend together. I enjoyed listening to both, don't get me wrong at all.
@jackkilman8726
@jackkilman8726 Жыл бұрын
The new version with Floor and Henk was my introduction to Nightwish just over a month ago. I was so blown away that I devoured their entire discography in a week. Since then I've come to appreciate all eras of the band and the strengths that each member has brought to the table over the years. I'm 54 and never thought I would have a "new" favorite band at my age. I've never been happier to be proven wrong.
@vanessalore9942
@vanessalore9942 Жыл бұрын
My first experience with Nightwish was through the Tarja Marko version of this song about a year ago. Similar story, I’m 63, never thought I’d find a band like this. I love all the eras as well
@ahuggie
@ahuggie Жыл бұрын
Welcome!
@jani9209
@jani9209 Жыл бұрын
Better late than never. You have discovered quite a rollercoaster
@Dulkh4n
@Dulkh4n Жыл бұрын
Check Tarja solo career too, her solo stuff is amazing!
@yksvaan1690
@yksvaan1690 Жыл бұрын
As a 50s guy myself, I know, and I'm happy for you. Warning: Next thing you know, your country gets someone surprising like our Sanna Marin, and suddenly you're interested in politics and the media reactions to it. And there goes your peace of mind. lol
@viniciovp4ever
@viniciovp4ever Жыл бұрын
Marko's voice, is for me, the best sounding voice in metal!
@PlutoniumBoss
@PlutoniumBoss Жыл бұрын
My wife just said to me, "You know who'd make a great Phantom? Devin." I would be all in on Devin Townsend and Floor Jansen dominating my earholes together.
@MycontentisgoldJerryGold
@MycontentisgoldJerryGold Жыл бұрын
Floor and Devin worked together previously on a DTP album.
@milton1448
@milton1448 Жыл бұрын
YES!
@solarwinds9363
@solarwinds9363 Жыл бұрын
I don't think it would happen. I think Devin's not really a fan of working with other bands on other people's arrangements. But he is a bit into the musical theatre stuff so who knows!
@lea88pu
@lea88pu Жыл бұрын
Read my mind 😄
@an0ana
@an0ana Жыл бұрын
Oh my gosh damn, yes!
@martine7456
@martine7456 Жыл бұрын
God, I miss Marko... His deranged phantom was incredible. I had the luck of seeing this song live on that tour almost 20 years ago in Buenos Aires. I don't know why they didn't play this song more often on subsequent tours, it's a bop.
@JariJuslin
@JariJuslin Жыл бұрын
My understanding is that there was so much chemistry between Tarja and Marko on this song and then kicking Tarja right after this performance that Marko didn't want to perform it with anyone else, respecting the trust Tarja put to him. But now it was not Marko who sung the role of the Phantom and by freak accident Marko was no longer even in the band, so there were no obstacles for a momentary return of a classic.
@ahuggie
@ahuggie Жыл бұрын
Of all the phantoms over the years, Henk may be ALW's favorite, but Marco is the most deranged.
@stefanl5183
@stefanl5183 Жыл бұрын
@@JariJuslin I'll have to agree. I think Marco with his style probably did give us the best Phantom. But I also like Diego Valdez from Act I. Tarja was just so good, and you were so blown away that sometimes it was easy to overlook the male vocalist. But in hindsight, I see the Tarja and Marco really did work well together. Another song where this is apparent is Everdream. Anyway, the contrast between their different style and sound adds something. This was also the case with Tapio Wilska and Tarja on Pharaoh sails to Orion.
@benjaminbreeg6367
@benjaminbreeg6367 Жыл бұрын
I’m with you. I find myself tearing up every time I watch a performance with him in it. They are not the same without him.
@mdnblues
@mdnblues 11 ай бұрын
@@JariJuslin Actually, Tuomas is the one who a few years ago said that they will never perform the song again. I guess after hearing Floor's rendition he decided to give it a go. This has nothing to do with Marko.
@dagguerrero
@dagguerrero Жыл бұрын
Not gonna compare Floor and Tarja but, to me, there's no better Phantom than Marko 🤘🏼
@koomaj
@koomaj Жыл бұрын
This
@jeremyvega506
@jeremyvega506 Жыл бұрын
This
@samyTT18
@samyTT18 Жыл бұрын
Totally agree
@pekkakarppinen1608
@pekkakarppinen1608 Жыл бұрын
Haha, almost three years of making. This is excellent performance. Notice Tuomas's "Pan's Labyrith" -t-shirt "ln this Labyrinth, where Night is blind". And Henk's classic "Nightwish Family" -shirt, which he really deserved. I'll meet them live in Kitee next Summer! ⛄❄👍
@henriklindberg1646
@henriklindberg1646 Жыл бұрын
Have fun, im a little jelly tbh
@-WhiteWolf_
@-WhiteWolf_ Жыл бұрын
​Oldies from Nightwish with Tarja --> Beauty OF the Beast (studio version). Many beleive it's Ghost Love Score before Ghost Love Score (in a composing way).
@karadenizin-kizi
@karadenizin-kizi Жыл бұрын
Beauty of the Beast is a masterpiece, such a beautiful compositions and lyrics. One of my top 3 Nightwish songs, honestly
@alexandremaireno-ni4ec
@alexandremaireno-ni4ec Жыл бұрын
Great suggestion
@LuisRdzG10
@LuisRdzG10 Жыл бұрын
The greatest from Oceanborn probably, then it came Wishmaster, and everything exploded....
@alexandremaireno-ni4ec
@alexandremaireno-ni4ec Жыл бұрын
@@LuisRdzG10 Beauty Of The Beast is from Century Child
@dac2007
@dac2007 Жыл бұрын
The hidden masterpiece in their catalog. Would be great if Doug reacts to it.
@BeCoShooter
@BeCoShooter Жыл бұрын
Tarja has a version of this song as a solo artist. She has a tight band, and an excellent gentleman as guest singer. The last note from her is spellbinding. Check it out.
@stefanl5183
@stefanl5183 Жыл бұрын
On Act I Diego Valdez is the gentlemen singing and yes he's excellent and I'd even say technically he did better than Marco, but Marco's style does add something to the song.
@PatitoCM1
@PatitoCM1 Жыл бұрын
I feel that the operatic voice comes more "natural" and more "full" on Tarja's voice... but Floor do it beautifuly too.
@stefanl5183
@stefanl5183 Жыл бұрын
Tarja's voice has more resonance and vibrato and is just better suited for songs like this. Tarja is classically trained. Floor is more of a rock/metal singer. Floor is certainly a good singer but on songs like this she's kinda out of her element.
@Hylebos75
@Hylebos75 Жыл бұрын
@@stefanl5183 Not at all man, Floor is classically trained in opera too. It's not just something she winged a few times lol
@mdnblues
@mdnblues 11 ай бұрын
@@stefanl5183 What? Floor IS a classically trained opera singer too.
@stefanl5183
@stefanl5183 11 ай бұрын
@@mdnblues Sorry, but Floor IS NOT an opera singer. That's simply not true. If you believe it, you need to go back and do more research. Floor studied "musical theater" at a rock academy. That's NOT classical training. And Floor has never been an Opera singer. Even Tarja, isn't actually an opera singer but she has much more classical training than Floor. Tarja studied at the Sibelius Academy in Finland, and went on to Hochschule für Musik Karlsruhe in Germany. Also Tarja has released classical albums. Anyway, one can easily tell just by listening to the difference in their performances here.
@patricicurrais687
@patricicurrais687 9 ай бұрын
​@@stefanl5183true
@ellegee4043
@ellegee4043 Жыл бұрын
Both versions are amazing in their own ways! Tarja and Marko have a more ghostly, haunting version, whereas Floor and Henk sing what sounds more traditional. I could listen to both on repeat!
@timothyfunk1883
@timothyfunk1883 Жыл бұрын
I guess I am biased because I have classical vocal training myself, but I miss Tarja's color and vowels. Her classical style transition through dipthongs is always nice to hear. I also love the height in her sound, even at the top of her range. I still think Floor is awesome though, don't get me wrong.
@ManWithoutThePants
@ManWithoutThePants Жыл бұрын
Tarja also had quite a heavy finnish accent which affects a bit how she sings things in english. In general I do like Floor more in Nightwish, but I think I like the Tarja's and Marcos version still better. Both are good though. I don't mind that Henk doesn't try to sing the same way than Marco. He has done this musical so many times and is great in what he does and chose to go with more of his style, but learned to add that rock grittyness in Beste Zangers which was new thing for him.
@stefanl5183
@stefanl5183 11 ай бұрын
Yes, Floor is a great singer, no doubt. But she's definitely a rock/metal singer and that's her strength. However, on songs like this, Tarja's classical skills shine through like a laser beam and her voice explodes like a supernova. And yes, I know the song in question here is from a play and not an opera. However, the character, being depicted by the song is an Opera singer. So, the songs should be rendered as such.
@pdutchie4924
@pdutchie4924 Жыл бұрын
I was there in Amsterdam, it was epic❣️ I was bouncing up and down when I realized they were doing this! So great hearing them do the Phantom again with the official Dutch Phantom! It was a surprise I sort of counted on because it was promised in Beste Zangers 2019.
@blackwolf-ee8sd
@blackwolf-ee8sd Жыл бұрын
Oh my god!!! Tarja and marko are amazing!!! They are phenomenal!!! They are not human!!! The best phantom of the opera!!! Floor was very good!
@rientsdijkstra4266
@rientsdijkstra4266 Жыл бұрын
Floor is better.
@blackwolf-ee8sd
@blackwolf-ee8sd Жыл бұрын
@@rientsdijkstra4266 your opinion. Don't start. Don't be stupid fan of nightwish.. and don't answer ro me floor is better.
@thomasmason3359
@thomasmason3359 Жыл бұрын
I do like Tarja on this song more than Floor even though I do love both of them.
@keithharris3734
@keithharris3734 Жыл бұрын
Dig your reactions, Doug! Maybe it is just another day in the office but your ability to call out the key/chords instantly is so cool. Floor constantly reminds us that she is not human. You could go make a sandwich and she would still be belting out that D6 when you got back. I love her.
@pozzowon
@pozzowon Жыл бұрын
He talked about this a long time ago, it's called relative pitch and apparently it's something you can learn. Relative, because he'll have to listen to a note beforehand to sort of get calibrated.
@yksvaan1690
@yksvaan1690 Жыл бұрын
Come on, there's nothing wrong with goddesses like Tarja either. It's not really her fault she ain't human, is it?
@keithharris3734
@keithharris3734 Жыл бұрын
@@yksvaan1690 My obsessive love of Floor in no way diminishes the talent of Tarja. I listen to both of them on certain songs, especially Nemo and Planet Hell.
@vanessalore9942
@vanessalore9942 Жыл бұрын
@@keithharris3734 I appreciate your comment. It reminds me that not everyone who is obsessed with Floor needs to put Tarja down (and vice versa). It was Tarja’s voice doing the metal that attracted me to Nightwish in the 1st place. But Floor has her own tone, her own style. That’s why I do like the multiple versions of some songs. I don’t know why I’m so protective of Tarja, I’ve only known about this band for a year. Things are always evolving, but perhaps I’m familiar with what it’s like to throw away and disrespect the old when the new comes along. One may prefer the new, but foundations are important. Anyway, thanks again. The comment means a lot to me.
@darkaria8
@darkaria8 Жыл бұрын
Thank you, Doug! It is precisely this NW with Tarja performance that caught my ear and made me a NW fan when I first saw the video back in 2000. So this was a good memory for me. Tarja, Anette and Floor have contributed to NW in their own way. I am really enjoying my NW journey with Floor as vocalist. She has such a great range and tons of colours. I agree with you - Floor's superpower is her vocal flexibility. Cheers!
@TheJama64
@TheJama64 Жыл бұрын
Tarja and Marko ❤. You just can’t beat that version.
@paulr1193
@paulr1193 Жыл бұрын
I concur!
@scotthood4789
@scotthood4789 Жыл бұрын
amen :)
@jpheininen6465
@jpheininen6465 11 ай бұрын
Floor and Henk just did😉
@strabel803
@strabel803 11 ай бұрын
😂The best rendition for me ,would be , Marco & Floor, but that will (probably) never happen.😄🤘
@DadoSimicStudiostriver
@DadoSimicStudiostriver Жыл бұрын
Tarja and Marko for me, and nothing more touches it. Planets alined in perfect line, and after that nothing was the same anymore, nor such a magic could be repeated again.
@rientsdijkstra4266
@rientsdijkstra4266 Жыл бұрын
Sorry, but in the first part of the song Floor´s voice is much better. Actually Tarja and Marco are quite manic and over the top for me.
@LuisGarcia-ee2tr
@LuisGarcia-ee2tr Жыл бұрын
Floor is spectacular. She has "the voice", charisma, and pure talent.
@tapio7133
@tapio7133 Жыл бұрын
Imo Marko and Tarja killed it so much better for my taste. I like this more operatic version.
@gavinsmith9016
@gavinsmith9016 Жыл бұрын
I would have like to see Floor sing this with Marco. Alas, it's not to be.
@arrv544
@arrv544 Жыл бұрын
Okay, floor simp. She's a great singer, but this song is Tarja's. No debate.
@rientsdijkstra4266
@rientsdijkstra4266 Жыл бұрын
@@arrv544 Yes, debate. That is your opinion, nothing more. Others have other opinions: Floor's performance is better.
@Barbara-sx8kj
@Barbara-sx8kj Жыл бұрын
​@@arrv544 this song is from Phantom of the Opera by Andrew Lloyd Webber. If you prefer how Turunen sings it ok it's your taste.
@fjnw
@fjnw Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this double reaction Doug. Of course we knew who Henk was and the anticipation was huge, so when the intro of TPOTO started you could hear the exitement of the audience. It was magnificent hearing this live.
@TimoArula
@TimoArula Жыл бұрын
This performance was absolutely electrifying ❤‍🔥!!!!! And that Crowd Roar, when Henk walked on stage, wearing Official "Nightwish Family" T-shirt, but that Floor's last note... it was insane 12,2 sec. "Promise made, promise kept" 🤘😎🤘!!!! NWSU/FloorFan .
@snagfree
@snagfree Жыл бұрын
Dude, I've watched the '05 version over a hundred times thru the years. The whole thing is awesome.
@jeffk1482
@jeffk1482 Жыл бұрын
Both versions are fantastic. I just love here how it's a promise made and a promise kept to Henk!
@75jvs
@75jvs Жыл бұрын
I was at the Amsterdam concert, once we heard the first notes of Phantom, we knew Henk was going to be there. It was so awesome!
@davorzmaj753
@davorzmaj753 Жыл бұрын
Oh, this was fun! Floor did the musical-theatre version on Beste Zangers; now Henk's returning the favour. Great to see him in jeans and a t-shirt, too -- really embracing the whole rock thing. 6:50 -- almost a little Tubular Bells quote on the keyboards :-)
@amygoodson-catlady
@amygoodson-catlady Жыл бұрын
Also a Marko preference, but that was a world class performance! I had a fan shot video of that right after it occurred, messaged to me, so I've been so happy to hear that everyone can now enjoy it! Henk is now forever cool w millions of Nightwish fans! He used a bit of gruff ala Marko...and he was great!
@paulr1193
@paulr1193 Жыл бұрын
Floor and Henk are very good, but it's definitely Marko and Tarja on this one for me. Nothing comes even close to that version.
@xAeternax
@xAeternax 4 күн бұрын
Having been there in the Amsterdam show, it was great. Floor did so good. I would really love to see them do it together with Marco, i truly adore his style on this.
@TerriPhillips-xs1oz
@TerriPhillips-xs1oz Жыл бұрын
When Phantom was set to come to Toronto I was working on theatre props and our company had the task of beading the chandelier. If you had nothing on the go, you were separating the beads or measuring length of fishing line or beading. We also did the boat and I myself personally made a whip. Great times with Kate Bush playing in the background. Then I was fortunate enough to see Phantom portrayed by Paul Stanley. Great job too!
@jewfish68
@jewfish68 Жыл бұрын
Thank you Doug for this great (and fun) expert guide through these fantastic performances. I love the original with it's spectacular visuals, Marco throwing everything into it and Tarja's powerful operatic ending. Not to compare, but the Nightwish arrangement with the emotion and colour of Floor's voice makes the latest one even more special for me. Cheers.
@thomasdirk8024
@thomasdirk8024 Жыл бұрын
Both renditions are supreme… I‘m happy to see Floor on her Solo Show in May!😃. Her first Album will be released as early as next week…
@s1mperadicator13
@s1mperadicator13 Жыл бұрын
Only Tarja
@pedrone9945
@pedrone9945 Жыл бұрын
Tarja's mystical voice is a gift to the world.
@milton1448
@milton1448 Жыл бұрын
Too much wobble in her vibrato for me
@pedrone9945
@pedrone9945 7 ай бұрын
@@milton1448 Her vibrato perfect for me :)
@milton1448
@milton1448 7 ай бұрын
One in every crowd@@pedrone9945
@eriksward6894
@eriksward6894 Жыл бұрын
I start to feal like a broken record by now since I cant listen to Nightwish anymore without missing Marcos voice together with Floor. Sure Floor is amazing, really insane! But for me it was the combination of the two voices that made their music so epic. I have hopes for the new album when they have the chance to write songs for the new setup, lets see what that will deliver.
@s1mperadicator13
@s1mperadicator13 Жыл бұрын
Tarja and Marco. That's all.
@syyneater
@syyneater Жыл бұрын
I really miss Marko too!
@rubentullenaar2934
@rubentullenaar2934 Жыл бұрын
I was there in the Amsterdam Ziggo Dome. It was fantastic.
@thechurn4766
@thechurn4766 Жыл бұрын
I love both versions. Tarja seems to bring a slightly dark tone and is more operatic. While Floor is just naturally brighter in tone and feels a bit more modern. I prefer Tarja's approach to the final ascending portion, because on first listen I was not sure why Floor decided to do three of the same notes before hitting the final note. However, I feel the way Floor nails and holds the final note is better. So yes, they both bring something unique and amazing to the performance. I do however agree with many people here in preferring Marco's vocals, because it fits so well with what Nightwish is doing with the song.
@LucianoRMRibeiro
@LucianoRMRibeiro Жыл бұрын
what a voice combination!
@Kelsea-2002
@Kelsea-2002 Жыл бұрын
You're absolutely right - you can't compare the two versions. I personally like both equally and listen to them about the same amount. Unfortunately I was a toddler 18 years ago and couldn't see Nightwish live, but I was able to experience this brilliant performance of Nightwish with Henk live on stage.
@ianlinn5375
@ianlinn5375 Жыл бұрын
Both ladies are excellent singers. Just a case of which one you prefer. Would love to hear Marco and Floor sing this song.
@bobbroadwell8031
@bobbroadwell8031 Жыл бұрын
Doug-Love what you do here. Did you know the song was originally recorded by Sarah Brightman and Steve Harley, which became a UK hit single music video in 1986, prior to the musical. Sarah and Andrew were married to each other at the time. In its theatrical debut, it was sung by Brightman and Michael Crawford in their roles as Christine Daaé and the Phantom. Some say they were both the best. I saw Michael perform as the Phantom in Los Angeles in the late 80's and 3 other times with others in the part. The part of Christine was written for Sarah Brightman. Dale Kristien is well known for her record-breaking four-and-one-half years in the role of 'Christine Daae' in The Phantom of the Opera. Ms. Kristien first played Christine opposite the original Phantom, Michael Crawford, on Broadway and they both premiered the Andrew Lloyd Webber show in Los Angeles-I saw here in the part 4 times-she was fantastic. She was on stage for 2 1/2 hours each night and the Phantom only 27 minutes. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fWPdqa2XjMyJiKM check it out
@rickphil9999
@rickphil9999 Жыл бұрын
Hello again Doug. This was a terrific reaction to this beautiful performance by Floor, Henk, and the entire band (who let the vocalists dominate the stage as they should). Absolutely loved it. By the way, it's just a few days until Nightwish starts its abreviated Asia tour, before taking off to continue work on their new album. Thank you.
@dougel4709
@dougel4709 Жыл бұрын
I keep wanting to hear Hank go for big metal style "ALL RIGHT!" there at the end to close things out like Marco did!! 😁 And I like that this was a comparison, not a competition. A competition would be so pointless. I mean... Who really cares which one is 10.9 and which one is 11.0 on a scale of 1-10?!?!?! 🤘😝🤘
@joostdavina9148
@joostdavina9148 Жыл бұрын
in 2004 floor with her former band ( after forever ) was the preshow of nightwish. nightwish performd the fantom back then and of course we were there up front. last jan. 2023 we were at the nightwish concert when they performd the famtom again. we are so happy we were at the fornt to see it all happen.
@martintebbutt4732
@martintebbutt4732 Жыл бұрын
To me still prefer Marco and tarja version although both are very good i just think it's more dramatic and Marco brings something different to the phantom with his vocal and just a to mention Charles hart's lyrics people never give him credit when talking phantom 🤟🤟🎸
@jobbus22
@jobbus22 Жыл бұрын
You must see Marko Hietala's solo song "Death March For Freedom" There is official live video for that song on youtube. He is so good singer and composer on his own.
@apommattox
@apommattox Жыл бұрын
I love Floor, but Tarja and Marco are amazing.
@kasper2970
@kasper2970 Жыл бұрын
Henk is one of the artists who are the the base at the mordern musical productions in the Netherlands. This started with les miserable in 1991 and since then musicals in the Netherlands are a pretty big thing. And I think “soldaat van oranje” is the musical 2.0 at this moment.
@evergreendorneymahoning5435
@evergreendorneymahoning5435 Жыл бұрын
The line in the song, which goes something like "but it's me they'll hear" is opposite on these 2 versions - Marco sings that line in the 2005 version and then Floor sings it today - the Floor/Henk version sounds more correct - what do you think?
@tomdegoede7565
@tomdegoede7565 Жыл бұрын
I was there at the left side of the stage, really close, and it was amazing...due to covid we had tickets from 2 years earlier, it was worth the wait.
@SculptyWorks
@SculptyWorks Жыл бұрын
While we're on the Phantom of the Opera topic, I know you've done a reaction to Iron Maiden's version with Paul Di'Anno. Have you thought about doing one on the live version with Bruce Dickinson? It's a totally different vibe! 👍
@c_brenon
@c_brenon Жыл бұрын
First version with Tarja is more some kind of relic of 90' symphonic metal band spirit IMHO : more raw material and seems more instinctive, more experimental in a certain way. Floor version is very well produced and overall, more clean and controlled (I do not speak about singing obviously). Impossible for me to say which version I prefer as I really love equally both for totally different reasons :)
@menninkainen8830
@menninkainen8830 Жыл бұрын
I do like the first much more, but it has nothing to do about the singing. For vocals both are great, but for the band and the mix the original has energy and heavyness which is missing in the new one. Very few seem to give any focus for the sound of the band.
@billchard5634
@billchard5634 Жыл бұрын
You have to listen to this performed by Tommy Johansson. He sings both parts! Masterful!!!!!
@mikeyc1348
@mikeyc1348 Жыл бұрын
Wow, how fantastic was that? Thanks Doug for introducing me to new music and your informative fun reaction.
@fabrizio_prina
@fabrizio_prina Жыл бұрын
And finally the Phantom, Floor and Nightwish are back ! Dammit .... the last note is phenomenal !! It is unreal ♥ BTW I love Tarja and Floor equally. Two Nightwish eras only.
@isaiahwelch8066
@isaiahwelch8066 Жыл бұрын
Because I'm a chess nerd, and this fits: Queen to D6: Checkmate. And for 11 seconds!
@kasper2970
@kasper2970 Жыл бұрын
What I really like is the emotion that shout be in the song is still in the song in this metal version. Love this
@ernestoalvarez7030
@ernestoalvarez7030 Жыл бұрын
Floor and Hank are my favorite.
@hyperboloidofonesheet1036
@hyperboloidofonesheet1036 Жыл бұрын
I just want to know who does Floor's costumes!
@alaninsoflo
@alaninsoflo Жыл бұрын
I wa there that night. Magical.
@PhantomCatMusic
@PhantomCatMusic Жыл бұрын
The first version is what got me into musicals in the first place, 18 years ago. And I was there for the recording of the latest version! I absolutely lost my mind when I heard the first notes. I would have loved a version of this song with Marco and Floor. But I simply love all of these 4 singers.
@Bonovin
@Bonovin Жыл бұрын
wow ! Thank you Doug ! I loved this!! Greetings from nwse Sweden
@peteranundsson9189
@peteranundsson9189 Жыл бұрын
Love Tarja the original Nightwitch!
@peteranundsson9189
@peteranundsson9189 Жыл бұрын
Greetings from Sweden 🤘🇸🇪
@kerrismith5986
@kerrismith5986 Жыл бұрын
Henk learned how to growl for the duet on Beste Zangers as a surprise for Floor.
@thelandshark8103
@thelandshark8103 Жыл бұрын
Man I would love to hear Floor and Marko doing this.
@gliebzeit
@gliebzeit Жыл бұрын
Thanks, Doug.
@brandonpeterson6306
@brandonpeterson6306 Жыл бұрын
The woman singing the 2022 version is amazing
@wjl2601
@wjl2601 Жыл бұрын
Instead of many I have to say that in this case I like the Tarja/Marco rendition best. The contrast and harmony in the two duets are clearly different. The first one has tension, rawness and schwung.The rendition with Floor/Henk sounds a little bit tired or maybe old fashioned (can I say that? Yes I can). All high notes are very impressive but Tarja and marco are giving it all, creating extra artistic and emotional layers in their performance. Floor is very talented and well trained but that doesn't always gives the best result. And Henk is Henk, a fine singer and nice person.
@ferrisulf
@ferrisulf Жыл бұрын
I felt that too. Floor and Henk sound great, but their version is missing the intensity of Tarja and Marco. I think I would have loved Floor and Henk's version more if it had been done more to the traditional style of the show as opposed to Nightwish's rendition.
@kentk2215
@kentk2215 Жыл бұрын
Ironically, these were consecutive performances of this song… just 17 years apart. Only having Tuomas and Emppu in common. There were no performances in between by Nightwish.
@stevebury6560
@stevebury6560 Жыл бұрын
I have watched your channel for a long time but not every vlog. I am picky and like when you do bands I know and love. I am how ever very surprised that a classical composer would review rock songs. It is very interesting to me. Thank you so much for the reviews. Love the channel.
@tubie33
@tubie33 3 ай бұрын
I was there in amsterdam it was magical. I was Floored.
@ralfmeyer9086
@ralfmeyer9086 Жыл бұрын
I mean, in 2022 they play more her roles. And Christine is taller as the Phantom 🤘🤗😊
@dac2007
@dac2007 Жыл бұрын
Another interesting and well informed reaction. Great video.
@petervenkman69
@petervenkman69 8 ай бұрын
Might want to check out Tommy Johansson's version (Guitarist Sabaton/Guitarist/Vocalist: Majestica). He did both parts. (Side note, during lock down he also did a lot of work for Floor on her solo project)
@leoventi4448
@leoventi4448 Жыл бұрын
You should check live version of this song with tarja and fabio lione, it is outstanding
@rraymakers2
@rraymakers2 Жыл бұрын
i was there in amsterdam to witness my first ever nightwish show! It was fantastic!!
@solarwinds9363
@solarwinds9363 Жыл бұрын
Now I want to see a Marko + Floor version and a Tarja + Henk version. Or a Henk + Floor version where Floor goes dirty... We know she could do it if she wanted to ;)
@fliugica
@fliugica Жыл бұрын
'Andrew Lloyd Webber is a closet rock composer' - The Daily Doug ... There's a T-shirt right there. Great comparison between the versions as part of Nightwish's long journey.
@LuisRdzG10
@LuisRdzG10 Жыл бұрын
Doug, Tuomas said that they rehearsal the song just one day before this presentation, so they went directly to what they knew, after 17 years, with barely rehearsing it, I think it came out well.
@Muskoheim
@Muskoheim Жыл бұрын
I only made it through junior high playing a musical instrument (worse yet, it was trombone :P) but I watch your videos realizing I missed out on a complex and beautiful art/science by not pursuing it further. There is music that can move me to tears, and you can explain why. That is mastery, and it is cool to watch! I'd say 'Thanks Doug', but maybe 'Thank you, Dr. Helvering' is more appropriate.
@eppuig
@eppuig Жыл бұрын
Happy to see in the back many LP I really love. Marillion, Pink floyd, Genesis ecc :)
@peccatumDei
@peccatumDei Жыл бұрын
Excellent analysis as always, Doug! Anyway, not that you're ever lacking in suggestions for future videos, but I'd like to add to the pile you probably already have for the three young ladies (sisters) who named their band The Warning. They've already written quite a bit of original music, and have a number of great music videos, but up until now, the live performance videos would not have been conducive to your level of analysis. That has now changed, as they've released an excellent live performance video recorded last year, and you can find it as: The Warning - DISCIPLE Live at Teatro Metropolitan CDMX 08/29/2022.
@Relyx
@Relyx Жыл бұрын
Love love love Floor but just cannot get into newer Nightwish. The departure of Marko was the final nail in the coffin for me. Such an integral part of the sound, and his equally incredible yet contrasting vocals in Phantom of the Opera are the ultimate example of that.
@green7apocalyptica
@green7apocalyptica Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I've seen them in concert at the end of last year and there something missing now...😢
@stefanl5183
@stefanl5183 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, the neonightwish is still a good band, and Floor is surely a talented rock/metal singer, but the old Nightwish was just something else.Tarja and her rich full bodied powerful operatic voice combined wonderfully with Marcos and just created a unique special contrast. Also Tarja and Tapio Wilska worked well together in Pharaoh sails to Orion. Anyway, the new stuff just aint the same.
@PetraPola
@PetraPola Жыл бұрын
I agree, I can't get into the new era of NW either, while I like Floor from After Forever and I liked her performance of Poet and the Pendulum, but Tarja's voice combined with power metal was why I loved NW. Now I mainly listen to Tarja's solo, her music is much more interesting to me now.
@johnmorgan7262
@johnmorgan7262 Жыл бұрын
Distracted by Misplaced Childhood on the shelf. Great album.
@npinjest7779
@npinjest7779 Жыл бұрын
Interesting they chose not to have Henk do the vocal climb matching Floor's, the way Marco did with Tarja, sticking to the BZ approach (presumably closer to how it was done in the show). Would've been curious to see where that BZ arrangement differed from these NW versions...
@Jurgen_Ibro
@Jurgen_Ibro Жыл бұрын
Yeah all cool but for me the version of 2005 with Tarja and Marko is like high on the Olymp, while all the rest (including the original by Sarah) fall short by a big measure.
@BlackieNuff
@BlackieNuff Жыл бұрын
I like this "then & now" back-to-back comparison. It might be interesting to do this on other songs from other bands, and examine how they evolve and modify over time, especially when the performers face inevitable aging ; do they adapt and compensate as the voice winds down, or do they somehow just get more powerful?
@SAVAGE09100
@SAVAGE09100 Жыл бұрын
2 of my fav singers of a Great band !! great comparison
@tedkord1968
@tedkord1968 Жыл бұрын
I wish Floor and Marko had done a Nightwish of Phantom of the Opera. That would have been epic. It wasn't exact same arrangement the end was different.
@rjorgeish
@rjorgeish Жыл бұрын
My god, that Floor finisher!
@wraithstalking
@wraithstalking Жыл бұрын
Two fantastic singers
@nmc9x23
@nmc9x23 Жыл бұрын
Doug, you should check out Floor n Russell Allen doing Phantom from years ago with Christmas Metal Symphony. Was done 2 years in a row and Russell simply DELIVERS! Derek
@AniWilhelm95
@AniWilhelm95 Жыл бұрын
You gotta react to Mastodon Hushed and Grim album, newest one.. Song: Peaceful Tranquillity
@vadymkvasha4556
@vadymkvasha4556 Жыл бұрын
I was waiting for Marko's "all right!" in the end, but no. I love both performances, but Marko is the best Fantom ever, girls both are more than awesome, just different. Henk is cool, but come on, Marko did the best impersonation I think with his greetiness and darkness there, and scream of cource)
@MattKrogmeier
@MattKrogmeier Жыл бұрын
Not sure if anyone else has said it, and I don’t have time at the moment to search all the comments, but the main motif of “Phantom…” is suspiciously close to Pink Floyd’s “Echoes” - so much so, even Roger Waters has referred to it as “…probably actionable….”
@Spot-t
@Spot-t Жыл бұрын
I absolutely love the metal-Doug stank face + air drumming, I pretty much do the same thing it's great to witness haha
@palantir135
@palantir135 Жыл бұрын
Henk was the Dutch Phantom in the musical. I prefer the version with Floor. Floor can do more with het voice though both are great singers.
@metallicaguy4679
@metallicaguy4679 Жыл бұрын
I keep saying floor is a unicorn. She is on another level than everybody else.
@robm321
@robm321 Жыл бұрын
She is special, no doubt.
@Nidels
@Nidels Жыл бұрын
Would you dare one day with Mike Oldfield's magnificent and brutal Amarok? A hug.
@Ireksojkowski
@Ireksojkowski Жыл бұрын
Beautiful
@sageanimist48
@sageanimist48 Жыл бұрын
I was lucky enough to have been on the barrier for both the Amsterdam shows when they performed it, plus for several of Floors solo shows when she also performed it. The onion ninjas were out in force,
@markkeating8197
@markkeating8197 Жыл бұрын
Dang, missed the live chat...good to see you didn't get blocked today
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