NIGMA vs RNG - GRAND FINAL - Bukovel Minor WePlay! 2020 DOTA 2

[@Puggleh]

W33 definitely had some rough showings and games with significant mistakes in the minor, but I imagine the person who feels W33's mistakes most, is W33. Casters mentioned a talk with Kuro that didn't make it onto the stream, where Kuro said they were really struggling, and that it was okay for them to be struggling. It'll take that kinda patient attitude to ever raise someone up to being great, rather than a capricious attitude that'd have you throwing away teammates if they don't click instantly. W33 is a great player that definitely slipped up in quite a few games this tournament, but he was also a player with the mental fortitude not to lose hope, and he kept his head against 40k leads with the rest of Nigma. Pessimism is no way forward, boys :))

[@bigonicha3225]

Hope dies last so does the Throne

[@ashlike270]

Everyone should watch the w33 Timbersaw vs Team Liquid and realize what mental fortitude means. Been interested in w33's plays since 2014 and became a solid fan of him in 2016 and I wish everyone could see how a beast he could be instead of being blind haters.

[@quixoticfiend9274]

Kuro is smart/experienced enough to realise that w33 needs more time to adapt fully to Nigma's playstyle. He joined Liquid right before TI and they finished as the runners up. Not bad at all, and it would be to their detriment if they had a knee-jerk reaction and started kicking people after a few bad performances.

[@TheAuxilary]

Best event after TI9, -nigma almost got kicked out by EE -promising show from geek fam -consistent and discipline performance from RNG

[@Steven-Sama]

True

[@MrTubeStuck]

RNG looks really good.

[@chaewonkim6182]

yeah geek fam also made a great move to change their mid player they show more potential playing with a mid who just join them. EE team also show that they can make Nigma play for survival. RNG also show that they are a potential China powerhouse team.

[@dev7a]

@@chaewonkim6182 RNG Gameplay is pretty solid ngl, they almost defeated nigma in the 2nd game

[@ytgtohka239]

@Agra Nam hahahahahaha nigma haters got rekt so hard they cant even buyback

[@inflationtothemooon2999]

Nigma took lower bracket to next level. Lost the Qualifiers for major=upperbracket Got in lower bracket = minor Lost in minor upper bracket won the lower bracket and the minor Got back in the major Wtf lower bracket kings

[@jrgl1191]

“Is that w33ha playing Queen of Pain?” 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@dabinside6388]

Mind Control Vacumm in last game is the real turing point for NIGMA, he deserves MVP! and GH Shaker so good.

[@stjepanharsanji2821]

I find funny that rarely anyone acknowledges MC in comments. He made so many plays including the biggest one and yet everyone's praising miracle and gh.

[@shmexylul1563]

Stjepan Haršanji well i would agree about miracle but gh played so well he deserves the praise just as much as mc

[@shanoaritz1314]

GH played so well he deserve the praise

[@Witharistotle]

Casters: miracle miraaaaacle miraaaacle Me: watching quietly how Gh do his supporting. 💓

[@quixoticfiend9274]

No matter how much they nerf Dark Seer, MC will find a way to make the hero look OP.

[@mac101099]

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[@shafiquliqmal1655]

Can he still make dark seer look op now? Huh dumbass talking without brain

[@shafiquliqmal1655]

@@mac101099this is shit load u paste here dumbass bot

[@strangerpwee]

"The raid boss is not down! Repeat. He is not down!" New voice line right here.

[@PabbeYMk1]

Time ?

[@anginribut123]

minute mark pls

[@fazrulrosmarudin7542]

Honestly, GH should have been one of the MVP

[@ishiiboy2690]

ToBi + Grandfinals = life!

[@kialmiart5928]

It seems like NIGMA is the one who NEVER GIVE UP.

[@minervashideout]

Down 41k answered by 5 man vacuum echo sanity eclipse MC is insane

[@madibmjaafar6424]

aww..that combo by Mind Control and GH so satisfying

[@thaihungkt2010]

wombo combo

[@insenlysen]

29:57 is when the magic happens.

[@darthvader6072]

Game 2 was unbelievable comeback especially that rapier pick up from miracle was so good I've never seen anybody buy rapier on PL and yet he didn't even drop it once. Game 4- You realize it's a 42K comeback right? Unbelievable Grand Finals thanks for these games Team Nigma!

[@fakuridesne]

Darth Vader yeah. Phantom rush no cool-down once upgrade with ag. Thats OP

[@ABC-kv3tu]

15:32 "Is that w33ha playing qop?" LMAO

[@knowingbrothers]

savage one. hahaha

[@mikeharriscaveria6324]

hahahahha

[@errenzjimmedina3154]

HAHAHAHA SAVAGE

[@noobfromcanadaland4062]

it'a not a jab at his skill w33 is amazing. it's a joke because in game 4 of ti6 gf's w33 kept walking up highground without vision or dark pacting and qop went up a hill without vision

[@tomwillis1482]

@@noobfromcanadaland4062 thanks for the explanation sir

[@sun3599]

This is very entertaining grand final. Well played from both team.

[@jovensalinas1095]

ive watch it live and witnessed it. what a game what a performance by team nigma. that game 2 throw, that game 3 stamp, that flawless miracle PL and the vacum echo slam and hammer combo! what a day for team nigma fans. that game 4 comeback skips my heartbeat for a second. Goodluck for the Major. Lets Go Nigma.

[@chrisgit4433]

Ma nigma

[@rockychandra9688]

15:33 "is that w33ha playing queen of pain?" Damn i'm laughing so hard man

[@anuar143]

ikr. nice bait from kuro

[@lunaticdoto]

Mind_Control + GH was an absolute duo 🍿🍿

[@fosomayi1289]

29:56 glimpse of oldest Na'Vi

[@Chintok11]

GH is good. M!racle is good. But Kuro and MC did so much in these series. Just think about it no one wanted to give Lich or Winter to Kuro. And Nigma had a 100% win rate with Lich in this tournament. EDIT: Also they lost only a game with WINTER.

[@n00bKen]

The support matters a lot, so both carry and support must play together as a team to get the win

[@e_xtazzy]

mc did an awesome job in last game, nice pull

[@zedned2326]

15:34 “is that w33.ha playing queen of pain?” Made me laugh so hard hahaha

[@BladesWeavile]

@Wahid Rizqi Akbar Nurjaman It because w33 has a tendency to throw his life away immediately after a successful teamfight

[@michaeldezhniek3751]

Nigma win : Miracle god, nerf miracle plz, Gh god, Nigma lose : KICK W33 LMAO SO BAD

[@michelkabalan2514]

Exactly what I would say xD

[@chloetzpiano6548]

Well, thats what people said to topson too in early ti8, now he's called godson after ti9, people just needs time

[@dailydose5224]

W33 is slowly progressing right now but still can fight setsu at mid.. Still GH god!!! Hahaha

[@jamomoritz6763]

@@chloetzpiano6548 tops on is bad bro. But he is been underestimated same as wee. Wee did well against tops on. Cause they both not the best Laners but with great movement, ganks and incredibly lategame. This patch depends more on winning the lane makes wee look a bit weak maybe, still I am feeling his impact all game. When they lost is was sometimes cause wee but often also cause a bad draft bad play by gh, even people won't admit and the whole team lill bit behind in every move they made.

[@ashlike270]

aqmal lai w33 was absolutely winning against Setsu in mid lane 3 out of 4 games. w33 is a beast, it's just that Nigma is on a whole new level compared to all the teams he'd been into his whole career so his teammates tend to outshine him. They'll pick up their stride soon, considering they weren't scrimming prior to the Minor.

[@tantan4427]

1:03 my huskar would have died 10 times right there.

[@adrianlopez6888]

WHAHAHA

[@PicchiMark]

Beat a 25k lead on game 3...beat a 40k lead game 4...HOLY SHIT!!!! Congratz Nigma!!!

[@michaeldavid1566]

Game 2 or game 3?

[@ganbayar13]

29:53 comeback from 41k networth. Nigma amazing team!

[@ahmadfathallahnaddaf8674]

15:34 is that w33ha playing qop lmao 😂

[@sandhywinartja8662]

GH the support who carried, this guy is too fucking good

[@mfrfauzirahman]

>Nigma shows good play the Community: 𝙬33 𝙛33𝙙𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙖𝙜𝙖𝙞𝙣 𝙇𝙐𝙇 𝘄𝟯𝟯 𝗵𝗲𝗿𝗼 𝗽𝘂𝗱𝗱𝗹𝗲 𝗟𝗨𝗟 𝓴𝓲𝓬𝓴 𝔀33 𝓰𝓮𝓽 𝓼𝓾𝓶𝓪𝓲𝓵 In actual topic, w33 is the kind of player that significantly values high risk = high reward, maybe some of it really looks like some silly/terrible mistake, but it's just how he plays, so deal with it ppl ffs. When kuro said he seeks what w33 has, is simply that kind of mentality that matu's didn't have. But still, it seems Kuro is slowly can make him better on decision making for his risky plays, just hope for the good and stfu with those negative perspective on him, or better yet, appreciate on Nigma's plays. I'm tired reading all those shit in chats, no hate to sumail but hell, this dude even manage to get into 2 TI grand finals, with the first one after going through a rough year full of shit and dramas. Yet people still saying replacing w33 with sumail is the solution? gtfo.

[@aellianaalice2412]

That's W33 high Risk Player

[@bjs4166]

There is no instant bro. Even topson seems strugle in the beginning as og mid and he got 2 ti now.

[@patiencefromzhou9597]

Muhammad Fauzi Rahman w33 is old. Let him retire to the pro scene. Better go stream instead lmaooooo

[@aellianaalice2412]

@@patiencefromzhou9597 what about Kuro? He's too Old for this yet he's still playing lol

[@anggrungsyahrulromadhoni6716]

Yea tell 'em bro

[@dennisalviandi7683]

30:02 "that's what they waiting for" is so damn good from toby, worthy to be in the battlepass voice chat wheel!

[@rishabhsharma2221]

Gh - MVP ♥️ Every fucking game. Never fails to impress

[@arnjam6865]

That vacuum-echoslam-sanity eclipse combo is badass 😁

[@Phyx1u5]

29:55 is what you came here for

[@BozanicJosip]

Delicious

[@Midowii._.]

What a throw by Setsu's QOP in game 2 and what a sick wombo combo by MC + GH in game 4. Gg wp!

[@juzellTV]

When minor is more interesting than major

[@Leonrdhmsv]

15:31 and that's how u make another chat wheel sound

[@alitmahendra891]

What are you doinn?!

[@sugarhoney858]

29:56 thanks me later.

[@TJasonSimon]

Dimas Aditya I orgasm’d

[@chinmay8954]

that was sooo good

[@WinterSnowism]

w33 actually saved Monet LOL

[@leosalvador4855]

15:32 in going to be in T10 Chat Wheel "What are you doing?"

[@vittorioakbar1395]

1:10 that armlet toggle is clutching, also kuro heal

[@nolancochran831]

That vacuum into echo was so sick

[@raashedulhaq]

15:31 Is that W33.haa playing Queen of Pain? 😈

[@GarintangNugumilang]

lol w322

[@cajesjourney4611]

u didnt get it he mean diving like w33 do

[@ramadhannugraha2393]

What a final .-. Thus knowing that Nigma played the semis on the same day before final and have that much stamina is commendable. These guys are super passionate on this. p.s watching GH bitchslapping using bricks as Elder really is satisfying

[@-JohannesJhonKennedy]

29:57 vacuum + echoslam gave me goosebumps

[@nateo1819]

Swearing is absolutely acceptable in right context, with W33 surviving during that play “Double bloody fucking kill” wooo

[@icemarkful]

As a Nigma fan, I don't think I have been more stressed in my whole life. What a series!

[@WinterSnowism]

MC Dark Seer & GH Earthshaker so satisfying to watch

[@jamessaraga7934]

15:34 " is that w33ha queen of pain?" Lol

[@kelplin1]

"is that w33.ha playing queen of pain? " xD

[@faldinurikhsan5048]

26:32 miracle manta was great

[@2d839]

29:56 that Vacuum Echo tho.

[@Lolapaloz4]

"is that w33ha playing Queen of Pain?" Lmao

[@mcjudilla774]

Jesus!!! This feels like The Internationals! Both teams look promising! wp

[@nguyenchien-ew6pe]

these 2 teams played against each other at TI9 already

[@lunl164]

w33 just play three tournament in this roster, but already get 1 champion and 2 runner-up. I feel that he will become more better and better soon.

[@wholesome6681]

Just look at the diff with the midlaners, setsu staying back while w33 almost always on front. So stop saying w33 is noob, u might need to watch his gameplay during his reign in planet odds

[@achmad43]

Nigma strategy 4 protect 1,

[@wando7dias]

I just say : nice networst w332

[@geraldnatividad9169]

15:30 is that w33.ha playing queen of pain? Lmao

[@bruhhh012]

Got goosebumps with that vacuum echo slam combo 😱🤩

[@rikimarusaintpreux8448]

man dota2 have the best casters in ESPORTS

[@keikaruizawa919]

Cs:GO have tobi1 to

[@dapperragnar4076]

wheelchat 2020 “a double bloody fckin kill” 🔥

[@rodrigoalexanderaiquezelad5409]

15:32" is that w33 playing qop?" Lol

[@bigonicha3225]

W33 is a very good player for mid i just think that if he can put another 2-3 more hereos in his roster would benefit him more,because i might not be a professional player but i can tell that he plays 4 hereos 90% in his games which make him easy countered and predictable and he needs to learn carry position.These changes would make him hard to counter and unpredictable

[@abdillahrana1]

he is great player. but cant adapt fast. nigma need that

[@petergilsulima5221]

@@abdillahrana1 kuros drafting we know what w33 heroes are,its just that rmn and kuro doesnt want to draft those heroes

[@zerovikings5852]

An On you missed that they’re the only team who played the most games, they always drop to lower bracket and end up showing all what they have got before even reaching upper brakcet, miracle just recently started playing pl. ur he’s playing it like it’s his main hero like ana pl, w322 just recently learned on od and he sucks ass i mean he needs more training on many mid heros including sf ember invoker or he will eventually get kicked soon,

[@bigonicha3225]

Overhyped Anime like i said i might not be a pro or smth they for sure know better than most of us but having an opponent which you dont know for sure if he is gonna mid or carry makes the drafting for the other team harder.That was the main reason liquid won TI cause miracle and matu could play both roles ez

[@zerovikings5852]

An On man main reason is miracle none expected such a talented player no one used to treat him differently like counter him as a player, now they all do matu is better off in a new team and he better improve his carry skills or he will never be accepted by another pro team

[@Bc7-w9k]

game 2: 30k gold, comeback, 40k xp comeback. game 4: 42k gold comeback just a miracle :´)

[@addenanda]

42k networth exist Darkseer+earthshaker combo : I'm gonna end this men whole career

[@liquidsoftpc]

15:29 *It was at this moment SETSU Knew. . He fucked up*

[@aneeshmenon5885]

Lol that moment lost them the game

[@himurakenshin7758]

@@aneeshmenon5885 tbf the moment uberlord take all RNG hero back with ult when they push bottom lane was losing moment, and Qop threw to completed that process

[@lunl164]

For Team: When Nigma in Upper Bracket, all team are happy. When Nigma in Lower Bracket, all team are crying. For hater: When Nigma lose, they say kick w33 and replaced with sumail. When Nigma win, these haters are run to find place to hide.

[@StormShadow743]

I know right? When W33 gets the Sanity's Eclipse read on Morph against Gambit, the chat was praising him as if they weren't calling for him to be kicked literally 2 minutes earlier.

[@kevinbekins1723]

thats not suprising they still cant move on from matu

[@lunl164]

@@kevinbekins1723 if Matu still stay in here, they will not have more good achievement. It is clearly to see the join of w33 help this roster have many good result.

[@liquidfritz7280]

1:31 Hey hey Tobiwan u wanna add ur chatwheel into TI10? Sure why not.. 😂

[@rintogitong]

2 epic comeback, nigma has knocking the major door really hard

[@gypsymonk727]

TobiWan Plus Hype Games By Nigma. I can watch even it takes 12 hrs streaming.

[@ไนท์พ้นดาบ15]

That vaccum echo was so sick hahaha if that combo played in TI every audience will go wild. Although we've seen that before countless times.

[@ไนท์พ้นดาบ15]

@Jason Lee keep crying dog. No ones love you thou. As i said in TI . Did i say in daily lives in pub games ?

[@jude.savs96]

yeah every crowd will go wild except the Chinese, cuz u know Nigma is up against Chinese (RNG)

[@kmaantonio424]

@Jason Lee you may get an Oscar's Award because you're so good at crying. Lul cancer piece of shit who doesn't even know the difference of "your" and "you're".

[@ไนท์พ้นดาบ15]

@@jude.savs96 i see wat u did there hahaha. Tbh RNG a former LFY ,i have high respect to this team this team reminds me of wings gaming.

[@glennadrianpujanes219]

1:30 "W33ha, a double bloody fucking kill" Nice one Tobi. TI10 chatwhell please.

[@ytgtohka239]

1:11 and they still said w33 is a bad mid player

[@meorasyraf7527]

Its seems like w33 doing real good at the laning phase but he died a lot after that

[@hojongie]

with doom? ya u gonna :] pls use brain

[@ytgtohka239]

RNG so good controlling Nigma damage dealer thats it

[@vladvladislav520]

What now Nigma haters? 🌚

[@FD-rj9gq]

They all hide behind their tails 😂

[@ramadhannugraha2393]

Welcome nigma hater, how do you feel so broken?

[@fangirldiary8176]

Calm your tits nigma fanboy 😂 Its not like they won TI

[@blaqwlulff]

Lost major. So.....

[@vladvladislav520]

@@blaqwlulff Hahahah, its true).

[@josephearlovera9207]

Mind Control + GH connection. The real mvp!

[@thailehuy]

Wow I haven't seen games this good since TI, props to RNG, and all hail GH

[@ducklinasmart6822]

Yeah gh was the real deal..

[@eusnvr3142]

Yeah without gh its hard for nigma to win

[@lunl164]

Nice W33, u make the haters go to find holes to hide themselves.

[@LyricsUnbound]

Double bloody fucking kill 1:32 It should be a voice chat wheel for battlepass 2020

[@BeastMK]

29:47 MC did it :D and the set up right after was so cool to watch...Seen how nigma played i was thinking they gonna finish as 2..Congratz..

[@thecriticalintensivist3667]

Weeha astral Spectre. Mistake by him for astral imprisoning spect. The echo damage could have been higher and spect illusion could be replicated by MC vac+wall combo.

[@jasonsantos4683]

I really like how monet play specially in game 2 omg. I remember his ti7 run as lfy hes such a good player

[@rzkzkr20]

Late to work, sleepy af, but watch this game from game 1 to 4. Worth it.

[@akunbersama5336]

Fuckin worth.

[@zerovikings5852]

My friends tells me it’s waste of time lol

[@ไนท์พ้นดาบ15]

You cant be late in job if you not go to your job. Hahaha

[@rzkzkr20]

@@ไนท์พ้นดาบ15 usually i go to my workplace at 7 am. But i delay it and go to shower at 7 am because i thought that "there will be game 5 and i will watch it at the office", after shower this nigma dude got their first team wipe at top rax and im late for an hour. But a very good game tho.

[@rameezraja2192]

7:28 that miracle dodge of QOP ulti

[@adl4466]

Bulldog buys rapira loses it in 10 seconds Miracle buys rapira he fucking married and vows to never let go. KEKW

[@richardgiovany5547]

3 hard game 1 ez game this is the grand final quality

[@im4th3l0rd]

LOL "was that w33ha playing queen of pain??"

[@defcemberl]

Congratulations Nigma!!! RNG is very strong in this tournament by the way. Game 2 was awesome!

[@markvash1916]

Daaaamn! , that was 40k Gold lead

[@SeanSeow96]

29:58 Incoming TI10 Chat Wheel!!

[@badliar7239]

Thats what we waiting for will be

[@steven69943]

All these lower mmr talks about how good miracle + gh combo they fail to realize that they only won because of MindControl + gh shm

[@Black182heart]

Okay Mr Immortal 20.

[@athafallah4872]

mind control actually carried them

[@n00bKen]

MC and gh were so important in the team fights

[@alfimansa9642]

@@n00bKen the power of ex liquid

[@FD-rj9gq]

If u guys realized all the past game that ex-liquid won because of the playmaker of gh and mc. Meanwhile miraclul get all the praises smh😤

[@NguyenHieu-zy4md]

29:57 that was what we waiting for... Wombo combo by Mind Control and Gh , the best sup4 in the world of dota2

[@thecriticalintensivist3667]

And weeha astral Spectre. Mistake by him for astral imprisoning spect. The echo damage could have been higher and spect illusion could be replicated by MC vac+wall combo.

[@mujtabarizvi4388]

Gh is playing a god tier support right now both his disruptor and earthshaker are really good.

[@NguyenHieu-zy4md]

I had a hoodie with the name Gh-God right back , that was Liquid hoodie , uhmm,maybe next time in Major Nigma will introduce their new clothes , after alot of game won with some " pause to check my bank " by Kuroky , nicejob boy , money make them crazy and attractive , sexy style.

[@badliar7239]

They

[@paritoshruia5801]

@@thecriticalintensivist3667 No mate...if w33ha did not astral spectre GH would have died instantly because of spectre's dispersion damage.

[@NotInformedOfficial]

29:53 you could just see MC and GH walking patiently to set up the combo

[@kdemetria]

no, MC get doomed that's why they wait patiently

[@yaphetsZz]

-Game 2 RNG 30k networth advantage, ends up losing -Game 4 RNG 40k networth advantage, ends up losing also

[@premier7981]

Yeah, god forbid if they lose their net worth advantage games to a veteran TI winner team.

[@gato9227]

@SH Prime nice english btw

[@marci1755]

RNG are actually really bad with late game decision.

[@jalurlangit3166]

12:23 when tobiwan stopped by

[@yungg5810]

Game-2 "honor of a game to cast" -BSJ real shit man. that game was insane

[@MordiGan0216]

I wanna see RNG on TI they played so well

[@yahtadi5152]

11:15 how could es blink twice?

[@chrystanto]

Kuncen RIG he used neutral item “flicker” for the second blink

[@popnz77]

The last blink is flicker (random blink)

[@popnz77]

29:56 darkseer MC & es GH show the game 🔥

[@markmirafuentes6864]

Wtf wombo combos of 2020 that was just the start of the year, there are more to see for team NIGMA.

[@ezboy69]

1:32 new chatwheel

[@marcolorenzo5972]

good vacuum+echo but there is one thing why kuroky is the MVP because always protecting w33ha and miracle with his abadon. check the whole game, also w33ha is good in this series, that astral is almost perfect and crucial to survive miracle. but anyway good game esp. the echo+vacuum clash.. WP boyz!

[@emfauw9494]

toby : hyped things up with "bloody, fucking..." me : wait, thats illegal?

[@7feenix671]

tobi MVP of the match