Nihilism (The Nietzsche Podcast 43)

[@leobardogalvez6111]

This man only uploads absolute bangers, I'm glad you keep uploading

[@benjaminseng4271]

oh yea. no punches pulled is the only way. If youre into that sorta thing😅. bring it

[@ChucksExotics]

How does he do it???

[@maxtheedawg]

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[@stmeainus1922]

You have such a good work ethic my man.

[@noahmaatiihafa]

Ironic that you choose to compliment his inherently protestant qualities.

[@abalint8097]

This is the best video on Nietzsche s nihilism.

[@gus8310]

It makes sense psychologically that if you decide to directly face your fears that you don’t use the same psychological systems as if you were thrust into it passively. It’s a different way of approaching a situation and you become stronger when you decide to voluntarily put yourself into nihilism rather than waiting for it to come get you. You’re attacking it instead of it attacking you

[@cheri238]

Thank you, I enjoyed listening.❤️

[@abbeymaeliam1]

This is great man, thank you

[@EddieLovettClips]

Really enjoyed that, great podcast ❤

[@pbradgarrison]

You do a marvelous job. Thank you so much for your work.

[@dannyteal1020]

Nietzsche has broken the vase. There is no going back.

[@andreasauke5724]

So good! Many thanks!

[@dannyteal1020]

Nihilism is the destiny of Christianity. Some call it Armageddon

[@MrAndorox]

Can you speak about Oswald Spengler’s book, the Decline of the West?

[@Impzhahaha]

great video, fun listen, hope all your other vids are this good

[@zerotwo7319]

If I could draw a parallel, the introduction reminds me of Assassin's creed odyssey, when finding the Odysseus' Palace. He once was extremely important, know by many, had cities under his protection.. now lots of people are claming they are 'the last of his lineage'. his palace It is just a ruin. People in that time maybe already had lost faith in that great man. Will any man give it's life to the great Odysseus? not then. not now. It’s just a burning memory.

[@ZagreusoftheDesert]

I fucking love this Chanel . Too much . I’ve listend to every episode multiple times . Thank you bro .

[@lucadeclippelaar7800]

can you make a video on Hölderlin's influence on Nietzsche? Also great work!

[@sudhirpatel7620]

Nature goes on forever for everyone and everything to return as everyone and everything an infinite number of times through evolutionary processes. 🌌

[@luisneer]

Excellent

[@Owofbfbajfbsnsn]

Whew taking a while to get through these last few episodes on account of the heaviness of the matter. For me, pessimism gave way to nihilism. the degeneracy of my own will fueled by lack of purpose. But learning here that will is a two way street, can I still change my direction?

[@Schizophrenic_Knowledge]

If only he experienced synchronicities.

[@satsingh1985]

@30:00, the sick and sickening chuckle tells all re Inversion

[@isaacbarratt854]

It really is difficult to talk about nihilism in a cohesive way, not even the definition provided seems self explanatory; nihilism occurs when the greatest values hitherto devalue themselves. Why is nihilism a problem? I don't know how to legitimately answer this question. It seems to me as though the primary difference between the artist and the nihilist is that the nihilist is unable to enjoy the process of creating art. I would argue that joy is important in this process of self expression, it is because we feel that we know we exist. The nihilist might respond with the following: 'so what', existence is pointless. To what end? Creation for creations sake? No, we create in service of an affect hence the joy, vexation and glee of the artist. The creations of the nihilist seem to only cause them misery, perhaps this was by design but perhaps this speculation presumes too much: their joy betrayed them once, of this their pain makes them certain. Does an aversion to joy make us sick? Is this the origin of the nihilist's pathology? A trauma.

[@EthanNoble]

Check out Blessed is The Flame for Nihilist-Anarchism

[@gingerbreadzak]

00:01 📚 Nietzsche sought to create a religion of life grounded in the material world and the flourishing of life rather than abstractions or prejudices. 01:26 🌟 Nietzsche's concept of the Overman serves as a replacement for the traditional God, representing a future evolution of mankind. 02:17 🌍 The idea of eternal recurrence replaces traditional notions of an afterlife, making life itself eternal in Nietzsche's philosophy. 03:08 💔 Nietzsche's concept of amor fati is a love of fate rather than a personal deity, reflecting his atheistic predisposition. 05:35 💥 Nietzsche argues that the arrival of nihilism is an inevitable consequence of traditional morality and religion, particularly Christianity. 08:52 🔄 Nietzsche believes life is either ascending or descending, and there is no standing still; traditional morality and religion lead to nihilism. 12:24 🤝 Nietzsche's approach involves recognizing dichotomies and oppositions in concepts to reveal underlying truths, focusing on life-affirming vs. life-negating aspects. 14:11 🔄 Nietzsche views life as either ascending or descending, with no synthesis possible; concepts are examined for their impact on this direction. 20:33 🧩 Nietzsche's critical framework challenges language's limitations by breaking words into aspects that correspond to life's potential directions, aiming to reveal underlying truths. 21:32 🤔 Nietzsche discusses nihilism as both a potential terrible ending and a preliminary step or state of being that one must pass through with difficulty, potentially emerging stronger on the other side. 23:21 🕊 When discussing Christianity in this context, it's not just about religious Christianity but also the conventional morality prevalent in the West, including ideas like universal equality, compassion, humility, love, kindness, and charity, which some atheists still believe in. 25:19 🌍 Nietzsche defines nihilism as "the highest values devalue themselves," indicating the loss of meaning and purpose in life, especially when previously held values lose their significance. 28:05 😈 Christianity made evil meaningful and provided a framework for understanding suffering and evil as part of a necessary process on the path to human perfection. 31:54 📚 As science advanced and disproved religious cosmological beliefs, Christianity's decline began. People started relying more on empirical evidence and the scientific method for decision-making rather than religious authority. 34:43 🤖 The decline of traditional religious authority led to the search for new authorities, such as reason, history, and social instinct, to provide meaning and guidance in life. 37:24 🧠 People increasingly turn to their conscience as an authority but make it more imperativistic as they move away from theology. This reflects the attempt to find a substitute for divine guidance. 38:26 🌐 The quest for authority extends to abstract concepts like reason and history, mirroring the desire for an authority similar to the transcendent role previously held by God. 41:25 😴 The final step in this process is the adoption of utilitarian moral thinking, seeking the greatest good for the greatest many, often prioritizing comfort and happiness over personal values and goals. 42:52 💪 Nietzsche suggests that instead of seeking comfort and happiness in the herd mentality, one should strive for personal revaluation of values and become their own legislator of values, taking decisive action rather than abdicating responsibility. 43:17 🧐 Nietzsche suggests that nihilism can be an intermediary stage and may have some positive aspects if used as a stepping stone to something else. 44:46 🌟 Active nihilism is characterized by someone who challenges and attacks their own convictions and values to build something new, while passive nihilism arises from exhaustion and weakness. 45:46 🌅 Nietzsche sees active nihilism as a necessary stage after a great victory, where emptiness sets in, but it can lead to the creation of new values and goals. 47:21 🤔 Nietzsche's own criticisms of morality and truth can be seen as nihilistic in nature, as he attacks dogmas and clears the way for new ideas to emerge. 50:14 🔄 Nietzsche suggests that incomplete nihilism results from attempts to escape nihilism without reevaluating existing values, making the problem of nihilism more acute. 52:11 😴 Passive nihilism arises when people accept nihilism passively, abdicating their authority to the majority, and pursue goals that distract from ultimate goallessness. 53:10 🍽 Not all goals are equal; some goals lead to ascending life by challenging and creating new values, while others, like daily routines, don't. 56:02 🕊 Nietzsche argues that Christianity has instilled in us a yearning for the transcendent, making us perceive this world as a problem to be solved, even though we've lost faith in the transcendent. 59:18 💬 Nietzsche contends that morality is a condemnation of reality, but without the transcendent, we can't reach the sphere in which we placed our moral values, leaving us with condemnation and a search for redemption. 01:03:19 🌌 The collapse of transcendent authority leads us to pursue goals like morality, politics, and metaphysics, but beneath us is the nihilistic void, and we end up seeking our own happiness. 01:05:11 🌍 Nietzsche critiques Christianity's negative view of sexuality, seeing it as harmful to life and survival. 01:06:01 🌍 Nietzsche praises war and war-like virtues as essential for species survival and dominance. 01:07:27 🌍 Nietzsche's dionysian value system promotes life in opposition to Christianity's life-denying values. 01:09:19 🌍 Nietzsche criticizes utilitarianism for making pleasure and pain into ends rather than means. 01:12:38 🌍 Nietzsche argues that decadence and nihilism are related and result from a decline in vitality. 01:19:31 🌍 Nietzsche contends that moral values, like altruism, may be a result of physiological and moral ills. 01:24:33 🌍 Nietzsche predicts a coming catastrophe that will lead to new doctrines or values in the evolution of societies.

[@hanskung3278]

The afterlife and following Christ seems more reasonable than the superman or eternal recurrance.

[@hanskung3278]

@@1hellwixk If you knew how to think critically, you would see that's exactly what I've done.

[@hanskung3278]

@@1hellwixk Ok, if your not serious then I'm not wasting my time.

[@tangerinesarebetterthanora7060]

Well it's easier to be a Christian than a Nietzschean if that's what you mean.

[@Richie.G.String]

What you conveniently perceive as reasonable doesn't necessarily add up to an inconvenient truth.

[@hanskung3278]

@@Richie.G.String Not sure what that has to do with the two alternatives.

[@Nilnaberius6727]

I think king was quoting theodore parker at around 70% to the emd

[@piushalg8175]

Vegetarianism or even more so veganism can been seen as negations of the world as it is. Therefore I would call these ideoplogies as nihilistic in the passive sense.

[@saifernandez8622]

Peterson and Jung have very different ideas

[@tangerinesarebetterthanora7060]

Peterson is secularized Jung which is another way of saying Jung without the soul.

[@piushalg8175]

It is no coincidene that modern secular constitions or declarations of rights are written in /quas)i religious language ss the famous (or infamous) German political philosopher Carl Schmitt correctly stated.

[@Bilboswaggins2077]

8:15

[@LamneYokaMou]

I suffer from nihilism, always have, always will.

[@LamneYokaMou]

@Boulanger What's the point

[@darillus1]

life has no meaning, if you don't give it one

[@LamneYokaMou]

@@darillus1 True to a certain extent. There are lots of temporarily meaningful activities that satisfy for a short while.

[@sillyname6808]

Read Kenji Nishitani and Father Seraphim Rose.

[@frankjoseph8830]

unlucky

[@emZee1994]

*29:47** It's rumoured that Rasputin was part of a sect like this, called the Khlysty. Who, I believe, had an extremely strict interpretation of Christian morality. To the paint that they would for example believe it to be a sin to have sex, ever, even with one's own wife and even for the purpose of procreation. In this particular example the way they would live by this extremely impractical law is that every Saturday night they would meet in Church for a night of complete debauchery. A night full of orgies, wine, drugs, homosexuality, cuckoldry, and quite literally every sin you can imagine (except murder I think) and then after doing that all night until dawn they would collapse exhausted in a pool of sweat. They would then wash themselves and pray from dawn to I believe until noon asking for forgiveness and repentance. They would do this weekly. The only reason they ever had children is because of those weekly orgies btw. This sect managed to last over 4 centuries in the rural areas of Russian Siberia*

[@hanskung3278]

Can I still have as my ultimate goal as "getting into heaven?", even though I live in the 21st century?

[@untimelyreflections]

You’re allowed to play make believe if you want!

[@hanskung3278]

@@untimelyreflectionsFrom what basis did you derive the conclusion eternal life is "make believe?'

[@untimelyreflections]

The silliness of such an idea is contained in the very name. Show me one living thing that has ever been eternal.

[@hanskung3278]

@@untimelyreflections With the horizon of our experience, as far as I know, there are is no eternal life but as Kant has shown us, that does not rule out eternal life, by the way, if you want to have rational conversations, let's not use words like "silly", thank you.

[@untimelyreflections]

People who go around asserting the existence of things that no one has ever seen or experienced, including themselves, are playing make believe. Let’s make a deal. You stop being silly, and I’ll stop calling you silly.

[@edwardhughes5494]

The Metaphysics underpinning Nietzsche's ideas seem to boil down to ontologising Kant's self denying ordinances. This seems to be his attempt to head off what he sees as the dangers of 'Nihilism'. I appreciate Nietzsche's ideas and your exposition of them is truly excellent. BUT his a prioris are just as much 'revelation' (his to us) as any scripture.

[@Andrew_Cotton]

An insightful and sublime lecture about something which couldn't be more prescient or apropos to the present moment. We've become very advanced and sophisticated technologically as a civilization but morally intellectually and spiritually we've regressed. High culture no longer exists Western culture has decayed and deteriorated fo the point of being unrecognizable. The elevation of the self above all other things isn't a religion a philosophy or point of view. It's depravity. Bereft of all ethical moorings and grounding institutions, ethically impoverished and spiritually bankruptcy. Rampsnt hyper individualism and the obsession with rights and rhe ubiquitous eternal "I" has rent asunder the moral fabric of rhe West. This I see as the core of nihilism- being beholden to nothing transcendent or over and above the self. We've become 330 million atomized blobs of carbon who believe in nothing. We've lost our vitality as a people. We've become sick pale banal sad mediocre. We've divorced from our connection to nature animals and our innate instincts motivations and drives. We abnegste life rather than affirming and celebrating it.

[@BettySterry-kh3uf]

It always irritates me when thinkers make more of overman than it is. He means nothing less than evolution, and being "weak" and dysgenic himself, he understands how branches of biology die every day and mean nothing. He himself died without children. Hes an imaginative writer who made the most of his time he had and his ideas should only be seen as thoight experiments

[@maximbanev1285]

I tend to disagree with your simile at the end of people exhausted with life and Jesus. In 'The Antichrist' Nietzsche appears to take the position of Jesus having imparted an evangelical teaching that is positive and pro-life. He rather criticises Paul for having subverted the teachings of Jesus. Allegedly Paul introduced Jewish elements into Christianity, namely the institutional framework and negative morality. Just think of Matthew 10:34-36 and tell me whether Jesus presents a figure symbolising the negation of life.

[@untimelyreflections]

He says in AC that Jesus’s life displays an “instinctive hatred of reality” based on oversensitivity.

[@tarhunta2111]

How could you use Jordan Petersons name in the same vein as Nietszche and Jung? Come on.

[@ubermensech3368]

Jordan Peterson is great. Greatest actor ever.

[@adama.tirellaesquire6638]

I like cake

[@hanskung3278]

Nihilism is the result of the denial of God, unbridled selfishness and capitalism is the result of Nihilism.

[@untimelyreflections]

The old religion is nihilistic to the core. It lets all the value bleed away from this life and flow off into a world that we only experience after death. It sacrifices life at the altar of truth. Why are you here? Take your religion and find willing recipients for it. I do not begrudge you this: I encourage you. I don’t want you to lose your faith, and I certainly don’t wish to take it from you. But you are wasting your time here. Nietzscheans have left the old religion behind.

[@hanskung3278]

@@untimelyreflections Does being a Good Samaritan bleed all value from life?

[@user-hu3iy9gz5j]

What then does socialism come as a result of?

[@hanskung3278]

@@user-hu3iy9gz5j It comes from the Golden Rule

[@faithfulfaustian]

@@user-hu3iy9gz5j Socialism comes from atheism. Socialism is the atheism to the West as Stoicism was to the Romans and Buddha was to the East.

[@czarquetzal8344]

Dude, alluding Jordan Peterson in your podcast cheapens it.

[@untimelyreflections]

No it doesn’t

[@czarquetzal8344]

@@untimelyreflections It does. Have you heard him interpret Nietzsche and Jung? Overly simplistic. I admire your interpretation of Nietzsche but don't compare him to a pseudo-intellectual.and philistine like Jordan Peterson.

[@czarquetzal8344]

@@untimelyreflections Peterson's interpretation of " ubermach" , for example, is physical strengths and abilities.

[@untimelyreflections]

@@czarquetzal8344 it doesn’t matter. The fact that he is wrong while also being super popular makes it even more important to address his ideas. You don’t address popular errors by ignoring them

[@czarquetzal8344]

@@untimelyreflections this is blunt. You alluded him as if his interpretation of Nietzsche is one of the alternatives. That's how I felt but maybe not your intention.

[@lsobrien]

Stopped as soon as you started citing Jordan Peterson. It means one of two things: you somehow take today's most notorious "intellectual" charlatan seriously, despite all Nietzsche scholars aware of the man dismissing his misreadings out of hand. Or worse still, you came to Nietzsche solely through the Lobster Man, and will simply be too lost to even understand this comment, given that it wasn't accompanied by flamboyant hand movements and a half-convincing Kermit the Frog impression.

[@yummyiop2]

At the 4 minute mark?

[@untimelyreflections]

You mean when I brought up Jordan Peterson’s view to contrast with Nietzsche’s view - meaning that Peterson’s view is *not* Nietzsche’s view? Peterson is probably the public intellectual I’ve spent the most time criticizing here bc of his misrepresentation of Nietzsche. But an intellectually uncurious person who stops when he hears Peterson’s name wouldn’t realize that, I guess.

[@lsobrien]

@@untimelyreflections "Let's take a moment to consider what my goldfish thinks about Kierkegaard."

[@untimelyreflections]

Right, the best way to combat the most popular bad ideas is to be dismissive and closed-minded. 🤡

[@wakemanz1]

@@untimelyreflections go off king