nihility has a BIG problem. can we talk about this???

[@arr_arr_arr]

doesn't "identity crisis" fit into the nihility path's image? actually i really like how these units don't feel like they are necessarily supposed to do one specific thing since this makes it that much more fun to make a team and play with them

[@kytexd_]

i probably should have made it clear that i LOVE nihility and that this is extremely fitting for them.

[@crimsonraiderxv3422]

I had the same thought while watching. Seems I wasn't the only one. The point of Nihility is that nothing matters, and it shows with the variety of debuffs these characters inflict, but let's be real, I wanna see more variety. Make enemies hurt each other for a turn or two like Kafka, reduce enemy damage dealt, or like the guy above me said, transfer debuffs to another enemy, maybe like how Topaz transfers proof of debt with her skill.

[@silverhawkscape2677]

Not really. Nihility character so far seem...like characters forging their Own Meaning in life despite or being Pessimistic about there existence.

[@crimsonraiderxv3422]

@@silverhawkscape2677 So basically what I said

[@tamajimaishida8533]

​@@crimsonraiderxv3422Technically we already have the "reduced enemy DMG dealt" with the ATK shred from Silver Wolf and plenty of other units

[@hxnslshhax9011]

Nihility is the most versatile path, and i like it, giving players choices on how to build a character. DPS, DOTS, Debuffers, Weakness break, sometimes even Sustains.

[@kytexd_]

same. i love nihility.

[@hazardsigns]

Nihility characters are all unique and eccentric. I love that. When I'm farming the HP/SPD domain, I run Fu Xuan with Shampoo, Pela and Guinaifen. It's a fun team and tears through that damned ape 😆

[@watchwood]

Ya, but I have more characters then cones for them right now lol.

[@FeltonRush]

Destrux

[@Dubstepper]

Theres a nihility sustain? I mean you could technically count Welt but who r u referring to.

[@rexevan6714]

Well, physical, lighting, fire, and wind Nihility will be DOTS focused, while Ice, Imaginary, and Quantum Nihility will be debuffed Focus. Konda fitting with their elemental breaks effect

[@kytexd_]

that's... a great point that i had not considered. nice observation!

[@danielw.2456]

Came to say this. Glad you had me covered.

[@tsuna111]

in short black swan is for dot 100%

[@p01nt_blank67]

Makes sense, but still kinda weird cuz Welt is Imaginary and is still often used as a DPS

[@AnikethBandi]

@@tsuna111 Mix of both from leaked kits. She has like a card system. These cards get applied to enemies and I think they both debuff them as well as apply a dot, so it would hopefully be like a pela+sampo combo.

[@trueNordVPN]

March 7th will inevitably remember her past and become a limited 5-star. If I could get my way, she'd be an Ice Nihility who specializes in Freezing enemies (the closest thing we'll get to Remembrance)

[@christianvirtudazo3106]

She'll get stabbed before getting a new path and powers

[@kytexd_]

yeah if she could have a 3t-2t rotation with an aoe freeze thatd be amazing

[@aomafura3374]

Nah she wont stay Ice like how Dan Heng became Imaginary

[@trueNordVPN]

​@@aomafura3374 In her personal mission, a Messenger fights Fu Xuan in March's head, confirming that there's a link between March and Remembrance. She was also found in a space iceberg, and currently has Ice powers. Ice is the element of Remembrance.

[@aureliaavalon]

​@@aomafura3374 Arriving frozen in seven-phased ice... safe to say, her 5 star will be Ice regardless of what path she takes if it's not Remembrance

[@fantasydestroyer9335]

IX just to lazy to give nihility path the real purpose so the one who walk on nihility path can do whatever they wanted, like debuffing or just using DoT to shredding enemy frontline

[@TenisJr]

Yeah, it actually makes A LOT OF sense that Nihility's function is all over the place lol

[@majorblitz3846]

Pretty based of you blackhole aeon. You even give me my favorite. "Ability to make enemy suffer from profuse HP loss on thrir turn"

[@DG_Toti]

Funnily enough Ruan Mei is a harmony that feels almost like a soft nihility considering her buffs are all focused on the most common debuff in the game: weakness break. She even debuffs enemies by forcefully extending their break state, and considering Pela’s ult hits the entire enemy side I think she’ll work pretty well with Ruan Mei and whatever DPS/other supports you have

[@kytexd_]

mfw she breaks the best compared to nihils that break

[@amarilistheodore9156]

Ruan Mei too OP also i accidentally get her to E2 and she's unstoppable 😂😂😂

[@Dubstepper]

I love nihility. Each character uses debuffs in their own way, always making them unique in their roles.

[@adityacahyo6491]

I agree that Nihility is kinda weird because it splits into more groups. When a new Nihility character is teased, I can't be sure whether they are just another DPS or a legit debuffer. One might say that Harmony also this problem where we can't be sure whether they are a niche or general support, but at least they are still doing the same job that is supporting in the end. But Harmony isn't always better than Nihility. I'm not really into the formula behind damage calculation, but I believe that Harmony scales better with your DPS and Nihility scales better with the enemy. So I think they are balanced enough by nature. If the enemy isn't too strong, Harmony does better, if the enemy is too strong, Nihility will do the job. Pretty sure at some point the game will introduce some enemies that are too strong even for your buffed DPS.

[@kytexd_]

very well put together! you are correct that harmonies buff specific stats, however I don't think there's much of a "niche" for each one of them, only a difference in how they buff. asta is a breaker that buffs teamwide SPD and ATK, while tingyun is a single target buffer, and so on. you can pretty much slap any combination of them onto a hypercarry. not so much with nihil. correct! nihilities do indeed do better against stronger enemies, because their debuffs usually get their maximum value. i think DEF shred will be more valuable against enemies with high DEF, compared to ATK% buffs. however, no such content has released yet. harmonies being better against weaker enemies is true, but that's mainly because nihility debuffs just get applied and removed on death, while the harmony buffs stay. harmonies' buffs are constant, consistent and their values are just way too damn high. put tingyun's 50% atk, 50% extra mv, 50% dmg and 50 energy up against pela's 40% def shred and its just so damn laughable. in any case, you're right for the most part, and honestly a refreshing comment compared to what ive had to read 🤣

[@deviant315l6]

Just check their element. So far all Dot elements have been nihility Dot while the others have been debuffer dps/subdps

[@thunderwolf9038]

i think that welt is a perfect example of a nihility unit due to how you can get insane value off of him in imaginary dps teams that aren't too sp hungry (dr ratio) because he can provide buffs of the same element with the penacony planar ornament set while still having decent dmg and enough of a reason to rely on his slow and imprisonment and touching on the kafka matter i do think that after releasing a few of these "kafka units" they would stop when she reaches an acceptable spot in the meta because lets be real she's a bit weak right now and then i think that what they're doing right now is the right call until they would start refocusing on the main purpose of nihility

[@kytexd_]

im going to be real with you, i don't think kafka's weak in the slightest when her dmg ceiling is quite high, especially if you run 3 fully invested dotters. but I somewhat agree on your welt take; i just wish he had a better reason to use his basics, so he can really fill an sp positive/neutral support role well.

[@samuellinn]

Kafka isn't weak. Her teams are just high investment because every DOT characters in her team need to be built since their damage is what allows Kafka to shine. Also yeah Welt is really good for Imaginary DPSes because of the 4pc Bandit Set. The problem with Dan Heng was that he was too SP hungry to allow Welt to be used optimally. But I can't wait to see Welt Mains finally cook with Dr Ratio

[@thunderwolf9038]

@@samuellinn regarding kafka even with high investment her teams only rivals other characters (like seele) in aoe but single target she is way worse and a bit worse in blast

[@PrimeKoji]

is very wrong to say that Kafka reaches Seele's ceiling at most, as you should remember that the characters composed in Dot teams are still 4 stars, with the arrival of Black Swan which will focus on both debuff and Dot, things will changing, and a lot, wanting Kafka to do more than 70k damage per turn with 4-star characters is really complicated, only Guinafen would have a great 4-star potential, the rest are specific or deal-breakers, sampo is a deal-breaker, and Luka has to specifically break the enemy's weakness to deal very high damage, even when he manages to break any enemy is completely slaughtered and destroyed​. @@thunderwolf9038

[@thunderwolf9038]

@@PrimeKoji that is exactly what I'm saying for kafka to be good she needs more dot units i.e (blackswan)

[@toohardtothink1113]

I only started building her when the area with the guys that revive themselves got introduced because they were annoying but I kept her on the team because she was actually fun to use.

[@kytexd_]

wish we could cleanse more buffs fr

[@Eclin]

I want them to make Nihility be the weirdest path as possible, i think that’s appropriate. as long as they apply something to the enemy that’s good enough, i think all of them are perfectly good right now even without Kafka, i use all of them all the time. They just take a bit more effort to use, but the fact that DoT character offers other playstyle that’s not a hypercarry, that’s good. I think i’ve had fun the most tinkering with Nihility compared to other paths. If anyone play “Arknights”, they are the “specialist” class of this game, reserve for characters with tons of gimmicks and aren’t bound too hard by their path, essentially as a class they are “versatile”. Pela actually does damage, Silverwolf is a good breaker, with Welt you get a DPS that slows the enemy at the same time. Some works really well with break effect build like Luka because he can proc DoT bleed. Now with Ruanmei, she’s going to work really well with some of the nihility characters, great because harmony characters aren’t usually good at supporting Nihility aside from Asta. yes i only use Nihility and Hunt character as DpS(+Clara, might ditch her for Ratio tho).

[@kytexd_]

pela... dps... single target skill... the dmg% doesn't proc on at least half the elite cast...

[@gamalong3966]

i originally thought of thorns or blue poison at first when I see “dot” and “arknight” but ye specialist suits more

[@Rainin.7]

Funny thing for me is, I find erudition way more weird than any other paths

[@redvelvetisbetter.1377]

seems like blackswan is gonna be super weird

[@tovarishchfeixiao]

Actually Tingyun can be good support for Nihility with her ult recovery that you can apply by using her ult. Plus she also gives some dmg buff as well which might count into the dot.

[@camilaloaiza7731]

With only 2 Nihility debuffers, is really hard to judge the path, also... There is the issue with the stats, Welt is the perfect example of that, he wants EHR, Energy, ATK, Crit Values and DMG %, you end up having a lacksluster build. Another thing is that Harmony units can now do similar stuff, look at Ruan Mei, she gives All-Type RES PEN and her E1 gives DEF Ignore to all allies.

[@OlexiVR]

The thing is that nihility units of this kind will need EHR, attack, crit rate. Crit damage can be lower as they receive damage bonus via their kits and LC connected to debuffs. In case of Welt if you have 70% crit rate and only 100-120% crit damage, you can add the bonus damage he receives from his LC and kit against slowed enemies, + imaginary set gives him +10% crit rate and 20% damage.

[@BailuGaming]

TBH Welt only needs 43% EHR since 40% Eff Res enemies also have CC Res forcing welt to go further and beyond 100% EHR to have 100% imprisonment chance.

[@alexzee4356]

welt is a bad example. welt is slow and imprison debuffer his multiplier is dogsh and his skill is too rng to be solo dps img carry. unless u have his eidolons and its encorage him to build some damage otherwise he is mostly for debuffs and more sustain. yes he need many stats but its what depends on what you wanna do. he is never meant to be a main dps. sub dps + utility is his role

[@OlexiVR]

@@alexzee4356 well, he applies slow from his ultimate too, which allows to always trigger his talent

[@OlexiVR]

@@BailuGaming there are not so many enemies that are resistant to imprisonment specifically. With welt you need to look at his burst, which requires 67% EHR to imprison in 100% cases. You don't need to take welt against enemies who resist his main mechanic. His E has a chance to apply slow. But mainly it is used to deal damage against already slowed enemies (via his burst).

[@martir851]

You: - Are a META player - Are also funny I subscribe.

[@Dinodio64]

5:05 I just wanna clarify that these are not actually "diminishing returns" since you don't get less from a stat the more you have of it. In that section i'd say that what you said was wrong/easy to missinpreted while what you put on screen is more in line with what actually happens In Honkai (and Genshin for that matter), with a few exceptions, there are no true diminishing returns, what you actually have is that the more of a stat you get, the less desirable it is in comparison to other stats Xueyi is a very good example, she easily gets over 150 dmg%, at that point, getting a Quantum dmg orb is worse than an Atk% one not because the Quantum orb increase the damage by less than it did before, but because Atk (and all other offensive stats) becomes more valuable Lets make this final and more simple example in case i didn't make myself clear (im almost sure i didn't) We have this multiplication: 2×20=40. If we increase the 20 by 5 we end up with this 2×25=50 but if we instead increase the 2 by 5 we get 7×20=140 and that is basically what happens with stats, it is better to have several mildly high stats than to have one absurbly high

[@kytexd_]

yeah i probably should have said relative diminishing returns.

[@DanielDaAbadSukarno]

8:10 i doubt ruan mei as harmony outperform Nihility path . Because i found "WHAT IF" we combine Nihility characters with ruan mei ? The Path that really good at Break combine with the character that increase the potential Breaking the shield?!. My Luka is already madness he deal 90-150k damage in general and imagine getting character that boost his potential!!

[@kytexd_]

correct, she does boost nihilities, but it feels odd that a non nihility character is what it takes to "save" the class lmao

[@peterjutsu]

@@kytexd_"save the class" lmao pela and silver wolf have always had great value what r u on 😭

[@alien_liwil]

We definitely need more stat debuffers I'll agree on that. The overabundance of DoTs is insane and it bugs me that it all revolves around Kafka.

[@kytexd_]

so real. if we got more dot reproccers it would be horrid for the game too so its like 😭😭😭

[@keiken96]

They can easily fix this by introducing dot specific defuffs like reduced def for freeze, red speed for lightening, red atk for burn and red weakness res from bleed. These changes would ofc be reflected in the weakness breaks well but the nihility would have additional multipliers on them. The stat debuffers are mostly fine. The biggest problem with dot characters is that you can't really innovate new uses as the base character use is same. The only DOT user troupe they haven't utilized yet is a dot spreader who spreads dot from one enemy to others. After this the only thing they can make is a DOT exploder who unlike Kafka absorbs all dots to himself to gain DMG boost and depending on the dot gains various other effects reflecting the dot specific debuffs. Debuff characters have always been a very niche class so its natural early characters feel repetative or lack luster.

[@kytexd_]

REAL! i feel like it's so easy to make them interesting, but it is what it is.

[@LunarEdge7]

7:57 I'm gonna pull a risky bet here; that new Nihility 5* units will have a game mode/event based solely around their DoT kit, and do really well there BUT the very next patch will have challenge events needing to clear tanky enemies within limited turn cycles, leaving only the tryhard/mains to succeed off them The already-spent Destruction/Erudition 5* havers will stick to what they already have after few tests And even with Ruan Mei/whoever's kit enabling duo carries, dual Destruction/Erudition combos will still outperform Dest/Erud + Nihility combo

[@a-lance-user4265]

Honestly feel this vid shows how fun nihility is. There very simple path descriptions give them so many avenues to build kits its insane. I feel that nihilitys main problem is a scaling one as well as a lack of options.Scaling in that Harmonys give better dmg increases, this gap can easily fixed with a character whose debuff gives about an equal dmg boost, and lack of options applies mainly to dot teams, I love Luka and I main him but I must say without kafka he can seem really laking pre e6, I think this problem will be fixed in time (5 star bleed dps i really want you) because according to leaks black swan is a dot character so they clearly havent abandoned it. All in all nihility is great its just that theyre undertuned, their weakness of needing ehr and needing the enemy to be stronger isnt so bad all characters have their drawbacks its cool for gamebalance they really just need better scalings tbh.

[@kytexd_]

holy based.

[@tovarishchfeixiao]

Why would they need the enemy to be stronger? I mean, if they are strong enough to kill a strong enemy, then a weak enemy should be a problem for them.

[@franciscomanuel8059]

​@@tovarishchfeixiao I think there talking about debuffs because they scale more the stronger than the enemy I think

[@marianna4469]

nihilty is my favorite path and i plan to pull for every nihility unit. i hope in future theres some kind of nihility healer, maybe like that one simulated universe blessing that makes you heal from DoT so i can run a full nihility team lol

[@kytexd_]

so true...

[@toilatrungkien-r4k]

thats the point of nihility, it has diversity as it can't figure out it's own identity and then it comes to one decison is to cease to exist

[@phantasie6007]

I'm a nihility main, so any video that doesn't shit on them is good in my books. I like this video, thank you! I really love that this path is versatile and that it means I use Kafka everywhere. I invested so much in her 3.8k+ atk, 150 spd, 49 ehr. She's great! I'm even more excited now for Black Swan. More DoTs = bigger numbers for Kafka🎉🎉🎉 I don't care much for meta since I only spend on supply pass. Better to focus my pulls on characters to put on DoT team. Gonna subscribe, I want to hear your thoughts on Black Swan when she comes out😊😊😊

[@kytexd_]

i love kafka. i think black swan will be a mainstay for kafka teams. hopefully.

[@tovarishchfeixiao]

@@kytexd_ For a while, yes. At least she definitelly will knock out Sampo from the teams.

[@athir04]

8:49 thats serval, serval has DoT in her skill. And can increase duration of shock DoT. Serval is Nihility but Erudition 😂

[@OlexiVR]

Serval is mistaken for a dot character. If you look at her kit, she gets damage against all the enemies, and dot only helps to get damage while dealing damage with ant attack against enemies with dot. Basically, as any other erudition, she's meant to spam her skill/ultimate. It implies her LC too

[@JMike-bq6rl]

The only difference with Hook and Serval, is that they benefit more going the Crit route, coz their talents can Crit.

[@victorleite304]

I remember saying in another video that they should split nihility at this point already, making the path "rememberance" being the debuffers and leaving nihility as the Dots.

[@kytexd_]

TRUE?!

[@shinespark1007]

I honestly love a lot of the nihility units. My favorite thing to do is run Ratio, Luka, Sampo/SW and Bailu to always let Ratio bully enemies with his monstrous follow up attack.

[@kytexd_]

ever since ratio came around, debuff nihils finally can have a little bit of breathing room

[@beatenterprizes]

Would just like to say that Welt is about to get a pretty good synergy with Dr. Ratio, as Dr. Ratio’s kit seems to be heavily dependent on the enemy having multiple debuffs. This probably isn’t that important to what you were trying to say though

[@kytexd_]

might build dr ratio if he outvalues tingyun. you can already see my comp in the video, and it'll be hard to outvalue her buffs. we'll see, though

[@rocketeer101]

"Big problems" is the Nihility path's specialty.

[@kytexd_]

true.

[@ShadowRagerYoutube]

glad to see someone else covering this topic I did a vid about the same issue a few months ago (less views so didnt think it reached many people) hoping to so hoyo respond to this issue more in the future

[@seancuss6754]

I've beaten MoC 10, 30 stars a few times f2p with still no harmony characters built, pela gets more value when paired with silver wolf, because together their 100% def break gives 110% final dmg boost I believe. But I have been splitting them up a bit to keep both sides strong, Also worth mentioning, that with pela's technique and the def break LC, she gets 75% def break by herself for first 2 turn I think, and pairs extremely well with Jingliu (so i'll be using that core with bronya when I get her, still don't at TL70 sadge). then I'll use e2 SW on a kafka team as they won't need as much effect hit rate, and the new dot set can stack def pen with SW def break for added value (I'm sure you know def break gives the opposite of diminishing returns).

[@kytexd_]

i'm not sure if you've noticed, but i cleared moc10 with ALL of the stat debuffers. i think they're in a strong enough spot in the meta, i just wish they were a little stronger compared to the beasts that are tingyun and bronya x

[@KinDiedYesterday]

I spend some money, but still cant clear MOC past 6/7. Have any advice?

[@seancuss6754]

@@KinDiedYesterday actually I realise I said f2p but I’ve bought some monthly cards and battle passes, but I’d say as long as your support is good enough (not solo natasha, or march) make sure everyone is lvl 80, pretty much all relics 15, except a couple on non dps of don’t need, try to get 134 speed on as many characters as possible, faster for non dps, and then just have fairly invested dps

[@seancuss6754]

@@KinDiedYesterday oh also talents atleast 6-7 for supports (9 for buff ones) and try to get 9 on dps

[@seancuss6754]

@@kytexd_ and now ruan mei is as strong as tingyun and bronya combined 🤯

[@AnikethBandi]

As someone who has literally every nihility but silver wolf the path is very versatile, like in modes like simulated universe, they scale hugely with buffs. Like just about any buff works with them, but their weakness is MoC. The problem with dot comps rn is the high investment for far from any value close to the top hyper carries, though hopefully we get more independent dot nihilties in the future. Black swan is supposedly both a debuffer and dot unit so it will probably do Kafka some justice while also letting her move around instead of being one of Kafka's dot minions.

[@kytexd_]

i think hypercarries scale harder with buffs than nihils, but yeah i agree with everything else you said

[@tovarishchfeixiao]

"independent dot". 😆 That is impossible to make a dot character that "independent" since literally anyone will be even better with Kafka than without her if they apply dot.

[@AnikethBandi]

@@tovarishchfeixiao I mean the independent dot characters im refering to is like black swan. Shes a combo of pela and sampo according to leaks where she nerfs defense but also puts on strong dots. She's independent in the sense shes not dependent on kafka cause she can be played as a debuffer on hypercarry in place of pela and her dots are just added bonus on top of the defense shred. Tldr: Independent dots doesnt mean dot detonator like kafka, but they serve the role as a debuffer who happens to have dots. Also kafka is for sure going to be powercrept in the future.

[@xhandhele]

0:30 what is "extra MV" ? NEver heard anyone refer to something in Honkai Star Rail with that term before. Thanks

[@kytexd_]

skill multipliers, motion values, it's called a lot of things but most theorycrafters call it mv. tehse are the scalings which are used for basics, skills and ults

[@Infernaladmiral]

FINALLY SOMEONE IS FUCKING TALKING ABOUT THIS,I have felt this since what,the beginning of the game?

[@kytexd_]

i always felt it, but never had the words to describe it.

[@nothingbutsomeone3934]

One thing I'm surprised no one suggests for Nihility is that they could make characters that, instead of debuffing enemies to solely make you deal more damage, they debuff enemies to make THEM deal LESS damage, aka -atk%, -dmg%, etc.

[@kytexd_]

real. silver wolf's -atk% and -spd% is so tiny that it's unnoticeable.

[@hoangao5487]

first thing is silver wolf already did, secondly that is just useless, 1 5 star sustain and you will almost never die, so why bother the enemy damage if you can just kill them in 0 cycle

[@kytexd_]

it allows you to run 0 sustain, 0 cycle.

[@hoangao5487]

@@kytexd_ i already did with seele bron pela tingyun, in fact there was a chinese guy, and he only used seele E0S1 + tingyun E6 and 0 cycle the upper of moc 10. If there's a character whose main purpose is to reduce enemy attack with a little def shred, isn't it the same with a sustain who increase damage? (fuxuan E1, huohuo)

[@jorgefernando5392]

Thank you so much for the captions, really

[@kytexd_]

no problem, i always put em in. :)

[@wellberightback4861]

Nihility units weren’t just meant to support pthers damage. As an eon IX wants to destroy everything, slowly but surely (overly simplified lore), characters in the Nihility follow just this motto, they do damage by impairing the ennemies capacity, and for DOTers, ability to breathe... That’s because thier kits, for most of them, allows them to take advantage of the debuffs they inflict to deal more damage Good nihility characters should have the ability to be main dps, they just have a circonvoluted way of dealing damage

[@kytexd_]

yeah, if only their convoluted way of dealing damage actually matched real offensive path's damage, thatd be great. sw, pela, sampo, guin just don't feel great to maindps. especially the dotters w/o kafka.

[@lordofgesos]

This is an amazing video! Hope you grow a lot!

[@kytexd_]

Thank you so much!

[@JGDGkot]

That is a weird way to say that a path has lot of room to grow, without overlapping too much with other paths.

[@kytexd_]

just wait for black swan, and ruan mei... you'll see what i mean...

[@glardian966]

2:49 If you don't like spoilers, don't click read more Right on the mark, she has a chance to cause additional damage everytime a DoT procs. She herself does not apply DoTs outside of break

[@exian5074]

I think the one that should change is the description of nihility path given by them. Not only nihility but also the destruction path description. the description should be: -Nihility Path gives negative buff to enemies such as DOT and Debuffs -Destruction Path is a Semi AOE Unit

[@kytexd_]

real

[@tovarishchfeixiao]

Isn't negative buff just a weird way to say debuff? lol Also, DoT is technically a debuff for the enemy's HP.

[@exian5074]

​@@tovarishchfeixiao yeah debuff is right. But i just want to separate the debuffs from DOT coz DOT is like a delayed damage just like follow-up attack and not actually a debuff by nature. that is why quantum and imaginary brake is not counted as DOT

[@tovarishchfeixiao]

@@exian5074 Well, quantum and imaginary would be hardly considered dot if they only work once per applying. While DoT lasts for more than one turn. And DoT is a debuff if you think about it. A negative effect that's active for multiple turns.

[@christianvirtudazo3106]

I love Nihility. I always use nihility on my SU runs. I made Welt my dps Kafka the detonator Sampo supporting kafka And Silver wolf for weakness, def reduction, entanglement.

[@kytexd_]

same.

[@kami761]

Just like IX intended It's pointless Just do the fuck you want

[@kytexd_]

pls give moar debuff.

[@FriendOfHatkid]

Bro, nihilism does mean smth about that life is worthless and nothing is important, ofc mfrs who think like that have no personality.💀 But to be honest, I do kinda feel we need more other debuffs. An attack debuffer that will make enemies do less dmg than the room temperature. Or maybe smth like a debuff that is similar to burst when hit. And also, I don't really see a problem with Kafka being main dmg dealer of dot teams. Cuz it is her role. Yeah, problem is, dots are not that viable most of the time. And Kafka, making dots hit more, makes them more viable, alongside her own strong dot. I kinda feel like we need more dots than just the 4 we have. A special dots, kinda like what Kafka's signature lightcone does, but for other elements. Oh, also, they announced harmony character that is basically a nihility one except it targets allies instead of enemies. Ruan Mei is kinda destroying bars, which is kinda what nihility should do for negative buffs and dots. But nah, it is a buff. I wanna see a nihility character that will finally run that break effect planar set with 145 speed and be the most op thing in the town.

[@kytexd_]

so real

[@Qkochan3]

this video makes it seem like they DONT have a big problem and have a solid identity. typically, debuffers are just dps that have a little less damage for a lot more utility. theyre just utility dps like kafka taking the the backloaded dots of the team and pushing them forward, or welt slowing the enemy down hard while doing more damage to them because of it, etc etc. i think they nailed the design perfectly. also ruan mei buffing nihility to break MORE and harder is just funny imo, now dot teams are stronger LOL

[@kytexd_]

i wouldn't say they have a lot of utility. guinaifen has 21% vuln, lukas has 20% vuln and sampo has 30% dot vuln. that's nothing compared to most of the harmonies' buff values+variety. i can see the utility on welt with his slows and imprison, but i don't really see any utility on kafka other than just... dealing more damage. i really want to understand where you're coming from, and how you extracted that conclusion from my points in the video.

[@honkystarrail]

AH YES A FELLOW WELT MAIN

[@kytexd_]

nihility mains!!!!

[@sf4603]

I want more debuff orientated nihility units rather than dot ones. I want a LC that gives the nihility unit a resist pen debuff according to their elemental type so we can basically have the nihility version of planetary rendezvous. Its true that effect hit rate has an oppurtunity cost just to make debuffers function so they need to start thinking about ways of balancing that. Maybe we need units that have effect hit rate as a damage modifier kinda like abundance units that have a hp modifier on their basic attack. Break effect nihility units is also a great archetype to flesh out, maybe with special debuffs triggered on weakness break like ruan mei. If they give another unit the ability to deplete toughness regardless of its weaknesses like xeuyi i think the next one should be a nihility unit.

[@kytexd_]

res pen rendevous would go so hard... an ehr scaling like xueyi scales with be would be nice

[@criticalf0ll0w16]

8:46 I don't think that's a good idea at all Nihility is DoT and Debuffs and it should be just that there's already slight path overlap why have more of it and in Kafka's case she's the Bronya of DoT teams letting the main dps DoT character do all of their damage again on her turn

[@kytexd_]

that's fair. other than sprinkling in more debuffs on dotters, i've got no idea how else to shift it up.

[@ItzSmoof]

Okay i know that silver wolf is suposed to use in a 2-2 3-1 or a mono, but im the only person that use her in a four diferent elements team? (Literally physical:natasha quantum:sw ice:march7 looking for an gepard btw and in the ocasion an himeko or a welt lol)

[@kytexd_]

the only time you can use her in a 4 element team is if you strategically align your enemy's weaknesses to your teams. it's tough, but it can be done.

[@ItzSmoof]

@@kytexd_ fr I do this

[@hypeman1021]

We might get a preservation/nihility character considering the 4* topac lc. Well I would not mind it considering i got it at S5 for some reason. He could have damage reduction which would scale based on how many debuff the attacker have and the more they got debuffs the more likely they attack the character.

[@kytexd_]

mixed paths characters look kinda bleak, ngl. I don't think they've done duo vision in genshin yet, especially when they've had the narrative reason to (kazuha) and there's already lots of overlap between paths, with huohuo's buffs, and luocha's eidolons.

[@hypeman1021]

​@@kytexd_ the thing is the team can only be composed of 4 characters so applying debuff is not enough considering it's not even needed in most of the team. Nihility characters need to ever have a strong utility or be self sufficient as a dps and it's mainly because of the way the game is designed in the first place.

[@armoured7201]

I always saw nihility as the inbtween for paths like, destruction/erudition/the hunt, and harmony/abundance, with some having supportive roles (like welt with imprision and slow) and offensive roles, (black swan and kafka)

[@NotBedWays]

0:32 my Pela is built as a sub dps and she deals 12k per skill, she saves me when enemies are like at 5% before the end of a cycle

[@kytexd_]

12k on skill... that's a maindps' basic...

[@banir3736]

“Nihility doesn’t have an identity” *proceeds to describe Nihility* Nihility are characters that deals damage while at the same time debuffs. Thats all

[@kytexd_]

bro didnt watch the second half of the video, unfortunate

[@mayarlis]

I personally use Welt as sub DPS in mono imaginary team with Dan heng IL and Luocha ( then i switch between yukong and Gepard for more sustain). He is amazing in forcing imprison to fully utilize the imaginary relic set on Dan Heng... Another fun team with Welt is with normal Dan heng since both of them can slow down enemies.... And they literally CANNOT take turn...

[@abhiveerbirdi9377]

Its like how in pokemon, you would rather buff your attack than lower the enemy's defence, because it requires you to debuff wach enemy that enters the field. I think a better nihility unit is one that can debuff the enemy's side rather than the enemy itself, that way every new unit that enters the field will have those set debuffs, and bosses with multiple phases won't shed their debuffs (ig that's not super important but I hate having to use sw's skill again after the second phase)

[@kytexd_]

all valid points.

[@ColdBrewNitro]

I mean the world means nothing (nihil) after all why should nihility have a purpose they’re trying their best to find their it let’s give them time 😔

[@matenagy5975]

My idea on buffing Nihility units would be adding damaging debuffs, which could help them fill in into Kafka teams as DoT units but as sub DPS-es and debuffers too. Like i'm going to make up a status effect now. Like idk, cripple. Deals physical DoT damage like as an alternative to bleed, but slows the enemy units too. Deals less dmg like regular bleed but still does some damage too so could fill into teams that needs the unit to stack up damage before fighting, like Argenti or Qingque, and even maybe fill into Dr. Ratio teams to regulate his ascension passive, and still could deal damage. Would it outpower Luka for his bleed application? Absolutely not, the damage is chirped down and has different value. But would do the same thing that Welt's slow does and this could put a character into a position where it's not too niche. Too bad Hoyoverse isn't offering me a job lol

[@gooseylucy2158]

i love love love DoTs teams but you're right; Nihility has a huge huge identity crisis and splitting it into two sounds good !!! the relics grind for nihility is nuts, after watching this video harmony seems a lot easier to build (would do it if i had bronya). seriously wish pela had a little more oomph though, spent a while levelling her in early game but her kit just feels like it misses Something - perhaps the result of being a 4*. she was big useful in aetherium wars tho lol (also thank u for pointing out that DHIL and welt have diff niches, i have both and chose to level Welt instead of DHIL and have him as a subDPS under QQ lol dw abt SP it just Works for me)

[@kytexd_]

its either splitting it into two, or giving enough support to both classes through lcs or relics! what pela is missing are useful eidolons :)

[@gooseylucy2158]

@@kytexd_ true! my pela is e6 (not intentional lol) and the eidolon levels really made no difference

[@timkazubek7005]

rn i got 2 teams basically, kafka, luka, ruan mei and lynx. the other one is Daniel, tingyun, natasha and SW... they do all pretty fine for me :D

[@casualpotato44]

Great video, great points! I generally agree with everything but a couple points. Silverwolf and Welt can be built for pure support. Break effect on both is seriously underrated. BE Silverwolf is her best build for e0, and BE Welt is practically a sustain with that much delay. As someone else in the comment says Nihility offers versatility and more unique mechanics to tackle enemies. Also, the Ruan Mei comment about her stepping on other Nihility chars, I kinda disagree there coz she actually helps nihility do more nihility things. Sure, as you said characters like Asta and Yukong can break well too. But it's the Nihility chars that do them best. As previously mentioned, BE Welt and SilverWolf are already broken good, with Ruan Mei boosting either their utility delay goes off the charts. Same with DOT chars. I also run 1 (BE user) breaker on my DOT teams. If the content is hard enough, I switch the set around depending enemy weakness. Guin is alright with but Sampo and Luka on it are so good. Sampo can break a lot of minions easily, and Luka is a straight up boss killer. You kept mentioning/joking that Luka is a Hunt char. But the difference between him on break effect, vs Sushang on break effect is that you're missing out on good damage if Sushang has no crit. Whereas Luka is built for it. As the utility character.

[@kytexd_]

sw's purely support, and brought along for her implants. even at e6 her dps is meh. the thing that's hard about breakers as you said, you switch them around depending on enemy weakness. for a double harmony comp, you just run the same 2 harmonies and bring a hypercarry that the enemy is weak to. you only need to align 1 weakness, instead of finding say an enemy that's weak to both wind and phys, or any two combinations. everything else i agree with.

[@StephenC555]

I don't think Nihility had any issues, just build them with a solid build, then they can be solid and useful. The real struggleing path is hunt. Most path is finding their way out, rather than hunt.

[@kytexd_]

the 4* nihils are struggling. but yeah, hunt doesnt have too much content that's goin for em. need a single target mode soon fr

[@bribriibribrii]

Destruction:dmg in area (3 enemies) and also acts like a semi-tank Conservation:CC (March and Gepard) Making the enemys focus on one target (March and Fire Trailblazer) and shields. Harmony:Buffs Nihility:Debuffs and Dots Hunt:Single Target DMG and self-buffs Erudition:Area dmg 🤶🏿

[@kytexd_]

it really is that simple, but i wish they had more depth

[@hezijun9890]

not sure if this is a good idea, but (let me cook) how about a nihility character that can increase crit vulnerability, making enemies take more damage from critical hits/ making so that it is easier to land a crit on an enemy any thoughts?

[@kytexd_]

he cooked

[@hezijun9890]

@@kytexd_ how about a character that will allow dots to crit (just like how nahida c2 can make dendro reactions crit)

[@franciscomanuel8059]

​@@hezijun9890 your a genius

[@DireNol]

9:08 More debuffs would also pair well with Dr. Ratio's follow up kit

[@mohamedmohamedyoussouf4853]

It's the point of nihility everything comes to an end so nothing matter even specialisation

[@kytexd_]

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[@TenisJr]

Actually "everything comes to an end" is Finality in a nutshell, not Nihility. Nihility is about the lack of meaning.

[@MrQubi_]

2:19 If enemy is dead, i would say their combat capabilities are lowered enough for me so this counts i guess

[@kytexd_]

its the best cc

[@carolinaferreira5890]

I wonder if Acheron will be more in line with the Pela/Welt/SW aspect of Nihility, as Black Swan (based on leaks) will be a DoT unit. Also, we already have Kafka, it would be weird if they released another Lightning DoT Nihility 5 Star this soon. I actually run double Nihility (Welt + Pela) with Jingliu at times and it's pretty fun, not to mention Welt's delay comes in handful when she needs to recharge her skill.

[@tovarishchfeixiao]

As long as it's not a dot detonator, i think they will be fine for releasing lightning dots.

[@mohtaypatsjre6059]

It's canon lol. Like the Aeon of Nihility, it makes stuff confusing, even the devs got affected by IX's power.

[@mohtaypatsjre6059]

This is a joke Hoyodevs.

[@kytexd_]

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[@WalnutWife]

for me personally nihility is my fave path but I hyperinvested in my DoT and my Debuffers and Welt 😊 looking forward to the future ❤

[@kytexd_]

i think we're finally getting some nihility synergistic units in the next few patches! here's to hoping! 🎉🎉

[@WalnutWife]

I‘m super excited tbh 🥰🥰🥰🥰

[@utsubyo]

i like nihility a lot and i'm not too worried tbh, we're getting a mode that specifically benefits erudition units that were falling a bit behind, they also decreased effect res of enemies so debuffers dont need as much EHR, we might get something else when black swan releases that benefits nihility who knows, devs are active and are influencing meta quite frequently, and its not like nihility units are bad, they are doing just fine, some are nishe but they do well in that nishe there's also dr ratio coming out that benefits from enemies having debuffs on them so devs are cooking and we might see more of mechanics like this in the future

[@kytexd_]

i wasnt aware debuff res went down! woo!🎉🎉🎉

[@darkhydra4262]

So its similar in the same way destruction makes erudition "niche?" Tbh i think we need more path exclusive buffs/synergies kinda like how Lynx has with destruction+preservation to prop up some of the weaker paths. Like if we get an erudition character that gains bonus dmg based on if we have a nihility unit in the party.

[@kytexd_]

ruan mei.

[@Mastouffu]

Usually you don't use nihility units to fit in a team. You use them to counter certain ennemy that's their goal. I have no Silver Wolf team but if a boss in MoC has a quantum weakness I'll probably use her, same for Pela and huge waves of enemy or the annoying self healing guy, I use her a lot. In that way they are even more the opposite of Harmony.

[@midnight.blue42]

This changed a bit with Dr Ratio though because debuffs on enemies give him more crit rate and more follow up attacks. So he needs a nihility chacter in the team (unless you have Topaz I guess?)

[@kytexd_]

yeah, the meta is shifting :)

[@digitalily]

gr8 analysis of the current state of nihility, more schizo ramblings would be nice especially when future patches come out 🙏

[@kytexd_]

More to come!

[@rbnsan5142]

because nihility characters are subdps and destruction are berserkers

[@kytexd_]

nihility 4* dot characters are subdpses that cannot function without kafka xd

[@kain1799]

Im interested in what adventurine is going to be like as a nihility dps. Cause i usually think of nihility as dot characters.

[@Soraaaa14]

You mean Archeron? Aventurine is perservation

[@kytexd_]

same!

[@Kerogoth]

With Dr. Ratio releasing soon, Silver Wolf has another core lineup to be a part off, as Dr. Ratio's DPS scales with the number of debuffs on the target, and Silver Wolf is always throwing a metric ton of debuffs on her targets, she is going to ensure Dr. Ratio is always capped on debuffs while giving your lineup room for other characters like Topaz to further boost Dr. Ratio's follow up damage and a Harmony to even further buff him or a sustain to keep the team alive.

[@JoeMama-1diot]

As a E5 Welt Yang player, I agree

[@kytexd_]

wish that was me... but no... im am e0s2 itnotw welt player....

[@Jdogrey1]

This is something Hoyoverse likes to do. Both Mona and Kokomi, as well as Furina and several others to some extent, have a ton of DPS scaling in their kits. Especially Kokomi, who can actually legitimately out-DPS a lot of old DPSes when built well (my C1R1 Kokomi when on a vape hypercarry team can out-DPS the average C1R1 Ganyu melt team pretty soundly). It honestly makes for more building flexibility. It unfortunately makes a lot of people call the characters bad at first, since they are usually bad at what they look like they are designed to do in comparison to other characters released at the same time, making a lot of people misjudge them, but they are still great.

[@kytexd_]

yes. that's fine and all, i play welt and i think he's good. the only problem is for units like sw and pela who are designed to deal damage with higher eidolons and investment, but still utterly outclassed by the real dpses, which really raises the fact that there is no point to raising them as dpses.

[@strxrry_ace]

actually in the back of topazs lightcone we have aventurine who is preservation apparently so thats why lol

[@Ironsuaba]

I have used hypercarry Welt with Path of the Hunt in Swarm Disaster. I have sent enemies to the Shadow Realm and had them have to wait 400 [time units] before their next turn. Welt is the second strongest standard 5*.

[@kytexd_]

hard agree

[@askeleton2532]

I am pretty sure you know this already but you were right about Black Swan Well atleast she reduces enemy def by 15.7% i think

[@kytexd_]

20.8% but that's still way too weak for her to be used in non dot comps. :/

[@chipsalancienne3080]

Thank you for this video

[@kytexd_]

i love ranting!!!

[@depressoespresso8958]

As a Sampo main, I've never had an issue clearing SU but I can see how he would be underwhelming in open world or MoC. I run Huohuo/Kafka/Sampo/SW and absolutely sweep.

[@kytexd_]

sampo solo struggles in moc. kafka, bottom text.

[@danielvandalk]

This arguments make sense in light of hyper carry setups, but I think they completely miss how nihility is usually better in double dps setups. Bronya and Tingyun only buff one at a time, while one guinaifen adds and maintains burn, Effect RES Down and Def Down, on the whole team of enemies quite easily, benefiting both DPS on a Dual DPS setup. Same thing for Pela, and Welt (sadly I don't have him), while Sampo and Luka are more limited in that regard. I run Kafka, Topaz and Guinaifen/Sampo/Luka/Serval a lot, and if the enemy is not weak to DoT elements, than it's usually Topaz, Pela, Himeko/Herta/Clara. I know hypercarry is the most "optimal" strategy, I just don't have any fun with it, and think Nihility works great when you start to veer off of it!

[@kytexd_]

yeah nihils do well in double dps setups but ruan mei enable those way more than those nihils ever will. i know that nihil can be viable, but isn't strong nor optimal. unless you're using kafka xd

[@randyjr.arsenio5624]

Pela is optimal in an Imbibitor team, Not counting SW who is a 5 star. (Which I argue, Pela is still more effective than in a non-mono/psuedo mono team). Pela with E6 Yukong just generate SP after SP for IL to spend which is why my IL has no struggle no matter how long the fight is. Pela is also optimal in Blade team, Generating endless SP and teamwide Def shred while Bronya spends all the SP on skill.

[@kytexd_]

pela does generate a lot of sp for dhil, but when you've got fast enough supports, it's usually better to run 2 harmonies instead of pela. i have a pretty goated dhil on my second account. on e2 he really doesn't have any sp problems +proper spd tuning, but i can definitely see pela being a great option at e0, if your supports dont generate enough sp. pela is optimal in blade's team, only because there aren't much HP buffer harmonies, but that will change soon XD. it's funny that you bring that up because i considered mentioning it for the video, but in the end i changed my mind because of that fact.

[@randyjr.arsenio5624]

@@kytexd_ even with Pretty Fast supports, E0 Pela is still better than Non E6 Yukong making her and Tingyun the BIS for a mostly f2p dan Heng team. Even in the blade analysis it's not fair to write off pela simply because of the possibility of better future harmonies existing. Clearly Nihility is a path that excels in stacking debuffs and benefiting characters that thrive off of these debuffs. For example, a unit that can guarantee FuA vs enemies with more debuffs or Kafka herself who deals more damage the more debuffs (DoTs) the enemy has. They can be used in conjunction with other paths or together. Eventually im sure Nihility will have harmony and Abundance characters dedicated to support their playstyels eventually

[@kytexd_]

@@randyjr.arsenio5624 let's hope that's the case, then.

[@rafamuhammadaskar7198]

It's just me or that gunaifan has to destruction logo on his cess😂😂

[@kytexd_]

what are you talking about

[@pandaescarlate7268]

every path can be summerized to normal rpg classes destruction = fighters erudition = mages preservation = Tank hunt = assassins abundance = healers nihilist = enchanters

[@kytexd_]

yeah and the rpg aint balanced 🤧🤧🤧🤧🤧

[@creeps946]

eh nihility aeon ix is lazy maybe" debuff go brrr wether damage or no"

[@kytexd_]

i just wish ix gave more variety of debuffs...

[@zentwo_]

Paths in general stopped mean anything and turned into a mess, it's just what light cone you can use now... Destruction destroyed hunt and erudition. Fu Xuan is everything. Luocha is everything. Huo trying to be harmony on top. Yukong half hunt. And path dedicated characters tend to falling back.

[@kytexd_]

so real

[@ProjSHiNKiROU]

It's interesting how many paths have two branches: Nihility - increase DMG taken/DoT DPS, Destruction - HP loss/Blast DPS, Harmony - stat buff/energy or SP increase, Abundance - healing/debuff removal. The Hunt and Destruction also have survivability buffs such as aggro reduction or defense increase for a few early characters (Trailblazer, Hook, Selee, Yanqing)

[@kytexd_]

yeah i like that a lot! it just sucks that dots and debuffers are outclassed by their counterparts

[@JoeMeng]

Nihility having an identity crisis? Who would've guessed?!

[@esmondgoh3112]

I believe Nihility is split into 3 types of Nihility unit: DoT, debuff supports and dmg focused. DoT: Sampo, Kafka, Luka, Guinaifen (+ Black Swan) Debuff supports: Pela, Silverwolf Dmg-focused: Welt (+ possibly Acheron) That Topaz LC is probably meant for Aventurine instead.

[@kytexd_]

yeah they are, and the problem is that the debuff supports are usually outclassed by harmonies, and dotters are mid without kafka. the dmg focused units are fine.

[@HelloWorld-ym5vx]

If remembrance were a playable path, i personally think that it would be similar to nihility, but leaning more towards crowd control (aka freeze, slowness and/or imprisonment)

[@nickkuroshi0]

I prefer paths being more diverse and experimental. I want more Preservation characters because I like their playstyle and we barely have any available options, but whenever I mention that everyone just shrugs and recommends an Abundance character because "Preservation is too niche". Harmony is "support" but what that means is so broad, it basically interfaces with every mechanic in the game. Nihility has that sweet spot where it has two fairly unique, fun, and equally viable roles.

[@kytexd_]

they're unique and fun. viable, yes. but their strength is too shaky to moc12 with. except kafka of course.

[@nickkuroshi0]

@@kytexd_ okay...? I'm not... seeing the issue.

[@kasparkannel3108]

Def shred/res shred and vulnerability is one of the strongest mechanics in the game, because it directly affects final damage and doesn't suffer from diminishing returns (and the opposite for def shred), if you're only running SW for element change then you don't really get her true strength

[@kytexd_]

res shred scales linearly, and vuln acts like dmg%. both of them have relative diminishing returns, but their sources are so rare that you barely ever stack them. def shred is a beast though, too bad it caps out at 100% before it gets too crazy. once again, they're nice, but the debuff values are just way too damn to compared to harmonies.

[@Kitsune_2006]

I love Nihility characters. They're so flexible. I can run my Silver wolf as both a sub DPS and a debuffer if I balance her stats.

[@kytexd_]

gotta have high af investment to make it worthwhile, but it is fun. i just wish harmonies needed a higher investment floor too.

[@Kitsune_2006]

@@kytexd_ So true. Here I am spending hours grinding for my Silver Wolf and then I put mediocre relics on my Bronya and she’s just as usable. Silver Wolf’s weakness implant is a life saver though.

[@bribriibribrii]

6:48 ok what 💀😭😭😭

[@kytexd_]

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[@DracNeedsChai]

The weird part is that people seem to expect Swan to be a debuffer for quantum which..sucks if she’s a DoT dealer instead.

[@kytexd_]

does he know?

[@ryan_uwu]

God it makes much more sense why Pela's autobattle ai is so bad.

[@kytexd_]

hoyo plz fix

[@UncannyCreative8128]

Nihility is kind if like destruction it has two gimmicks destruction has sef survivability or endurance and also has a tradeoff of some stat or gamepaly mechanic

[@2265Hello]

Honestly it’s not abnormal for game classes to have multiple ids in terms of capability

[@OlexiVR]

Honestly, they don't have the strong single target + 2 neighbours damage. Destruction doesn't depend on debuffs and doesn't need EHR. Little similarities. Well, if you see similar just because they deal damage...

[@kytexd_]

destruction, survivability or endurance? dhil, has none of that and has low hp and def base stats, jingliu self destructs. but yeah, i like nihility being wacky, i just wish it was wackier.

[@awegoosetree2307]

I use nihility rather than harmony on SU runs (regular,SD,Gold&Gears) since for me you get enough buffs from the cards and the enemies have higher stats compared to other game modes especially on high conundrums.

[@kytexd_]

good on you for nothing that and adapting! i did mention that nihils are better in long drawn out fights, and that harmonies are prone to relative diminishing returns.