Nike Air Zoom Vapor Pro VS On Roger Pro

[@stevebeck3141]

Roger made the right choice...for him. He can change to a new pair every set if he wants to! For the general public, a $120-150 investment in shoes is kind of a big deal - for me anyway - and I feel it's a bit irresponsible for manufacturers to make a high wear item that won't last you at least a season or two. My $0.0.2. Great vids as always man!

[@FootDoctorZach]

Yeah it’s for sure more of a collectors item at the moment IMO

[@18yearsoldnot]

It’s not a high wear item if you weigh less and don’t drag your feet around. Mine lasted a season and fixed my PF

[@samackin6032]

Enjoyed the review of the two shoes, Doc! I was lucky enough to snag a pair of the Roger Pros and for my feet, the fit and comfort levels were sublime. You're spot on about durability. I've played about 6 hours in them and I've shelved them because I don't want to destroy these great shoes. I had hoped On Running would have released a US Open version or just another general release of the original but doesn't look like that will happen now that Fed is out for the rest of the season. As for the Vapor Pros, I've only tried on a pair and gotta say I wasn't impressed with the fit nor the quality. I currently wear the Vapor React NXT (not your favorite, I know) - but for a seemingly heavier tennis shoe, I really like the performance, fit and comfort of the NXTs. Keep up the great work.

[@FootDoctorZach]

Thanks! Glad you were able to get a pair

[@donkeybro6368]

Haven’t played with the Vapour Pro- but my experience playing Vapour X vs Roger Pro: 1. Roger Pro is much more comfortable for my feet overall. The shoes are wide enough and the midsole seems to absorb more impact. The upper mesh is nice but not important to me. The outside of my foot rubs against the mesh a little, which can be annoying if i play for more than 4hours. Vapour X is way too narrow for me. 2. As you mentioned, Roger Pro requires you to pay more attention on footwork. It can still be nimble, but I sprint noticeably slower - not by a lot but I couldn’t chase down some dropshots that I could get to. I seem to change direction a little better in Vapour X, potentially because it’s lower. 3. Vapour X’s lacing system hugs my feet better. No issue with Roger Pro but I like to be tied down. 4. Too many On logos on the Roger Pro, but it still looks better according to strangers. 5. Serve - I think this is where the performance shoe comment comes in. When I really want to add power, I feel like I bounce better and serve harder with the Roger Pro. But if I only put in little effort then it won’t go well. Overall: Vapour X has better performance in low effort (60%) play, both are similar in medium effort (80%), but the few time when you really get into serious game mode Roger Pro is better - except in raw speed. For longer sessions Roger Pro is more comfortable.

[@FootDoctorZach]

Yeah i agree with this - if they would just make a deeper stronger rubber for mass consumption the Roger Pros would be just as good as any other shoe out there

[@tyroneb.6604]

Just the video i wanted! Was thinking of switching to the On’s when they come back. Great video as always Doc 👍🏽

[@FootDoctorZach]

Awesome! Glad you liked it

[@RenzoAMA]

your VS are the best I've seen, lots of info well put together; keep it up doc!

[@FootDoctorZach]

Much appreciated!

[@seanji24]

good work on the indepth shoe reviews and appreciate you digging into tennis shoes in addition to basketball shoes!

[@FootDoctorZach]

Thanks!

[@robertjames5034]

Hi Zach. Thanks so much for all your content. I was hoping to ask your advice. I play a lot - 12+ hours a week. 5.0 all court player. On the heavier side and approaching 40. I’m after two pairs of shoes, one plush comfortable shoe for training (although not too bulky, didn’t like the GP Turbos) and one fast shoe for matches. Play mostly hard court or carpet. Definitely over pronate, otherwise foot fairly standard. Usually bottom out the cushioning and outsole rather than destroying uppers on shoes as I don’t slide on hard courts. I was wondering what your top picks would be for each category. Your top overall seem to be a compromise - which I totally understand - but tennis is my only vice so happy to spend a bit of extra cash on two different shoes. Many thanks

[@周懶人]

Plz compare Asics Court FF2 VS Nike Vapor Pro

[@melaleucatree]

Great video again, Zac! I really wish the Roger Pro will be available for the general audiences soon. It is such a great looking tennis shoe.

[@FootDoctorZach]

I think it’s all going to depend on if Federer comes back and plays a significant schedule

[@melaleucatree]

@@FootDoctorZach I was thinking the same, but what if he doesn't 😭 40 years old man with a knee injury, I just wish he win another grand slam and retire.

[@villiam7941]

I don’t see him playing again, unfortunately.

[@FootDoctorZach]

Remains to be seen- I’m going to do a video on it

[@9gloss]

They came back but I dont know whether theyre now for general audiences or not

[@johntoorop3587]

Hey Doc, thank you for your work ! Can you explain (from a foot doctor perspective ) why companies make shoes with a focus on the heel cushioning instead of the forefoot ? I mean, as tennis players we're almost always pressuring the front of the shoes (split steps, serve, ground strokes, and while running to the balls). I always find that the forefoot cushion is too thin and become flat very quickly. Thanks again for your amazing content.

[@FootDoctorZach]

It’s to stay stable - really easy to roll an ankle with a high forefoot, also makes pushing off really hard

[@johntoorop3587]

@@FootDoctorZach Thank you !

[@villiam7941]

@@FootDoctorZach I had the same question. That makes sense

[@sporto0067]

Thank you for your deep knowledge of the subject and clear delivery of your message to viewers. The Vapor Pro lateral plastic clip is just too harsh on the digital nerve branches but the performance is outstanding. Could you comment as to which other shoe might be the closest to Vapor Pro for lightweight, aerodynamic, low to ground tactile feel of the court surface, cutting ability .... based on studying your reviews .... any chance that might be the NB 996 ?

[@FootDoctorZach]

thank you, The closest two are the solution speed ff2 and the le coq sportif lcs t01, 996 probably right below those two

[@lorenzorolando553]

Hi Zack, thanks for all the reviews. Do you think there is currently a shoe that might get a perfect 20 in your reviews? If not, which brand is closer to release a new model or an update to a current one that might reach that 20? Thanks again man, for a tennis and shoe lover your videos are just great.

[@FootDoctorZach]

Thanks i appreciate that- no not at the moment because even if I liked them 20/20 there’s always something to nit pick- but the closest right now are the lotto raptors and diadora blushields

[@SaqibSheikh]

What is an alternative to Nike Vapor pro now they’re discontinued

[@jorgeandrescoppiano]

Greeeaat video Zack! The previous vs the new shoes of Roger! 😁👌🏼 Think a softer midsole Roger Pro's, and with deeper grooves on the sole....killer. The shoe just seriously needs a tone down for the common public and boom On the Vapor Pro's...a size 10.5 is my recommended size by Nike...tried the Vapor Pro's in 10 and 11 (no luck that day at the store haha) and 11's were fair on the width..wish Nike realeased Wide version Vapors like before. With a straighter heel like the Roger Pro's 😍

[@FootDoctorZach]

yeah i think they're missing out on a lot of business

[@aaronxiong7984]

The Roger pro is like the RF97. You gotta focus on yourself and you have to really do a lot of the work yourself

[@apotra20xx]

Except that an rf97 might last you for years and years if you take a bit of care for it and don't do a Djokovic on it :)

[@FootDoctorZach]

Yup- very true- funny that his racket and shoe play the same

[@ryohazuki222]

Waiting for a vapor pro vs nb 996 comparison!

[@nurbbro3778]

Great vid Doc as always. Say- what’s your rec between the zoom vapor pro vs adidas ubersonic 4 for a narrower foot- and in general? They seem to be positioned closely.

[@FootDoctorZach]

Kinda depends on your personal preference- they’re pretty similar in fit- I just personally like the vapors more

[@PoBoyR6]

I've got a narrow-ish foot and have both the Vapor Pros and U4s...I would say it depends how narrow your foot is...I find the Vapor Pros are almost too narrow...whereas the U4s fit my feet perfectly...also the toe box is more pointed on the Vapor Pros which could lead to jamming of the little toe vs a rounder toe box on the U4s that again fits me better. Plus I prefer the Lightstrike mid sole and sock upper of the U4s so the U4s are the better shoe for me. Only thing with the U4s is you really need to try them on first because many people complain about the fabric creasing into where the toes begin and causing discomfort that never really goes away. It wasn't an issue for me thankfully.

[@nurbbro3778]

@@PoBoyR6 thx for the insights- much appreciated. I did get some vapors and I put them on to wear around the house before I took them on court and unfortunately my left heel was very uncomfortable to the point where my foot fell asleep. Discovered I have a bone spur that was getting pressure- so I need to return them. Will give the U4’s a shot. Right foot felt great for what it’s worth.

[@PoBoyR6]

@@nurbbro3778 no probs...sorry to hear about the bone spur...you might have more luck with the U4s then as they aren't quite as tight in the heel area...I think this is because of the sock upper design the shoe chassis itself doesn't need to 'grip' you as tightly there to stay in place. I barely even need to tighten the laces on mine to be locked in. Hope they work better for you!

[@pierrelalanne920]

Great Video ;) do you have some tennis shoes recommendations with good cushioning for someone overweighted with knee pain ?

[@FootDoctorZach]

I am making a video on this shortly but in the mean time I have a list in this video here towards the end- I have time stamps for all categories just search for what you need in particular and a few shoes should match, you’ll get a decent list of shoes to try for your individual foot : kzbin.info/www/bejne/iYOUaWeHlpd0mtE

[@pierrelalanne920]

@@FootDoctorZach You are the best ;) Thanks doc

[@aaronsantos962]

if you were gonna give ratings to the le coq sportif shoes as you did to these what would you give em?

[@stevebeck3141]

I was going to ask the same question...

[@FootDoctorZach]

I’ll have a video on that in the future but it would be higher than these two

[@salehzakaria7822]

Are the Nike Vapor Pros recommended for people with flat foot?

[@FootDoctorZach]

not IMO

[@salehzakaria7822]

@@FootDoctorZach another question: Vapor pro vs. Cage 4: Which is overall the better option?

[@therealir2208]

Hey zach great video! Every video I’m learn new thing thank you!! I searching for a medium width shoe and wide at the toe box, right now I’m wearing the Nike vapor pro and they fit me pretty well but just looking for more comfort on the forefoot , any recommendations? Thank you!

[@FootDoctorZach]

Glad you like them! the blushield fly 3 matches that description - just make sure you check the review on it first to make sure its a match for you

[@suhaskumar9453]

Is this good for wide feet? I am currently wearing NB FuelCell 996 v4 8.5, 2E. I feel this is tad bit large, my exact foot length is 10 inch and width is 4 inch. I would like to try comfortable light weight tennis shoes at size 8 and 4E. I feel super comfortable with my NB 996 V4, but I don't get that glove like feeling. I keep adjusting and tightening the lace now and then.

[@giancarloarrobarodriguez5291]

Between on Roger pro and ASICS Court ff2 Novak?

[@tomacap7772]

Can you do Vapor 9.5 vs Roger Pro

[@tennnis498]

Would like to see a review on Babolat SFX3 and Asics Gel Challenger.

[@Alchemistrobin]

I much prefer they can bring back the vapor 5 back in the day when roger shoe durability was so solid and customise a bit better. There won't be to change or buy a new shoe for quite a while. As the shoe price is too pricey and also quality is as great as its predecessor.

[@FootDoctorZach]

Vapor 5 was a great shoe

[@Alchemistrobin]

@@FootDoctorZach it’s a good thing I have spare nike air zoom Vapor 5 on the side not too often I used them.

[@misportco.6214]

Hey Doc, i was wondering what you think of a Nisics FF 2 turbo shoe, if the Nike outsole and midsole can work the Asics FF 2 upper

[@FootDoctorZach]

Im not sure I understand the question sorry

[@misportco.6214]

I am wondering what you think about making a Nike and Asics custom, like what you did with the Adidas Sole court boost and bounce

[@FootDoctorZach]

Cant, lasts are different, wont match

[@misportco.6214]

But if the upper is removed carefully can the zoom strobel be removed and put in a different shoe, I think it should be pssible because the strobel and upper are most times just connected by stitching meaning if the threads are cut it should be removable and reattachable by careful stitching. What do you think

[@cynthiamoody6074]

Hey Zach!! What are your top 5 men’s tennis shoes for knee support?

[@FootDoctorZach]

That depends on what kind of knee issue and where the support is needed - going to be a different answer depending- my favorite for overall shock absorption is the GP turbo

[@cynthiamoody6074]

@@FootDoctorZach knee OA with an old meniscus tear… I have the GP turbo. :)

[@FootDoctorZach]

Yeah unfortunately for specific stuff like that I can’t get into individual medical advice so I’d show your shoes to your local doc and get an OK from him/ her

[@ivanpedreira6612]

Please do a review of the Head Sprint Pro 3.0 SuperFabric! 🙏🏾

[@FootDoctorZach]

I have the revolt and sprint now just haven’t played in them yet

[@BigFellaBrah]

What would you recommend between the court ff 2 novak and the Nike air zoom vapor cage 4

[@FootDoctorZach]

I personally like the court ff2

[@peteryun8929]

Nike destroyed the Zoom Vapor line with this Pro version. What's the best alternative for Nike Air Zoom Vapor X?

[@FootDoctorZach]

Solution speed ff2 is what most vapor x fans went to

[@villiam7941]

That would be nice to see solution speed 2 and vapor pro face to face. Or these new French fancy shoes. Regarding On shoe. Hm I would like to wear shoes little more than 2 weeks or so and I don’t collect. So I would definitely look for Nike vapor or something else (solution speed maybe)

[@FootDoctorZach]

Yeah that’s the prevailing consensus - I have a video rating the SSFF2 that you can compare these two as well

[@markmoore5981]

This review is certainly not a "rave" review for either shoe. I would propose that the Lotto RAPTOR HYPERPULSE 100 is actually a better shoe in the category than the Nike Vapor Pro. They are more stable, more durable, and more comfortable than both these shoes.

[@FootDoctorZach]

Yeah I mean they are good for what they are - but neither would be my first choice - vapor pro still a great shoe IMO just for the right person/ situation

[@jackquinnes]

I thought On Roger Pros are not available but to Roger only and exclusively…

[@FootDoctorZach]

Limited release earlier this year and will be more in the future- but not sure when

[@jackquinnes]

@@FootDoctorZach Yeah. Checked them out. Maybe I will pick a pair to find out what they are made of next time available.

[@misportco.6214]

What's up Doc, I think the deciding factor is that Nike likes to have a consistent theme in some of their shoes lines so when Roger foot does not fit in they are still unwillingly to change G.R version for him so he left, because comparing the stats excluding durability Nike still beats ON by 1 point. But, why did Roger start caring about selling shoes he actually wears, he was not doing that before right. Or the caah and possiblity of becoming like Jordan brand in ON was too attractive.

[@michaelgillespie8257]

Vapor 9.5 are the best

[@RainMaker0602]

First! Wish granted. Great vid, Doc Zach!

[@FootDoctorZach]

Awesome! Glad you liked it

[@richardb7093]

$200 for 2 tournaments is not the way I was raised. Roger gets them for free I dont...Do better ON!

[@KoBizme]

Hold up. You had on 2 different shoes. Lol

[@FootDoctorZach]

Yeah haha killed my back too- only could film for about 10 min

[@ahaanpalla]

whats the point of making a comparison video if you're basically going to rank them the same and leave it up to the viewer? people watched the video because they want your opinion...

[@FootDoctorZach]

I didn’t rank them the same and gave the reasoning pretty clearly- did you watch the whole video?

[@joselitoaquino3207]

Fila Axilus Energized haha..

[@Marko777ify]

I think the Roger Pro didn't perform well on grass.

[@FootDoctorZach]

Hard to tell because they all play on nubbs - we’ll get a real assessment when he plays on hard again

[@MrStrangerinthewind]

in my opinion,roger defo make a mistake. His knee already got injuery, and stiff midsole without good stock absortion gonna deal more damage to his knee.

[@FootDoctorZach]

Will be interesting when he comes back