Nike Pegasus 41 Design Analysis

[@bobgibson1303]

In my opinion it's tough to pick the Peg over the Adidas Supernova, SL 2, Novablast 4 or Puma Velocity as those are more enjoyable ~$140 daily trainers to run in

[@SagasuRunning]

Agree… the Peg41 is going to have a hard time pulling me away from the Supernova Rise and the SL 2…

[@SergiuSalcau00]

The SL is crap

[@tkwasik]

Facts

[@SagasuRunning]

I’m going to have to disagree here… personal preference plays a big part here.

[@Leme994]

For me the SL is already the better shoe, and the SL 2 looks like it's gonna be an even better shoe.

[@robbarnett524]

Great video. I am one that struggles with the Pegasus line tbh. I had the 39s and just found them so unresponsive and firm. Subsequently bought the Puma Velocity Nitro 2 and just feel it serves the exact same purpose, but just better in every way. But opinions are what keeps the game fresh. Keep up the good work 👍

[@SagasuRunning]

Part of what is making the Peg41 a tough sell for me, as well… it how excellent the Puma Velocity Niter 3 and Adidas Supernova Rise are. Two shoes that overlap with the Peg41 nearly identically.

[@robbarnett524]

@@SagasuRunning the interesting thing I found, was having the Peg Trail 3, the react foam was excellent. Lovely cushion and a bit of pop. A far nice ride than the road Pegasus!

[@KimiCars]

​@@robbarnett524I used to have Peg 40 and Peg Trail 4 GTX and I gotta say Peg Trail one is a lot better than Peg 40. I still keep my Peg Trail for trail run but I've sold my Peg 40.

[@SagasuRunning]

Ya, I had a pair of those. I felt the same way. Hair there shoe was so heavy. The Peg Trail 4 definitely didn’t have the same feel. I may check out the Peg Trail 5… still undecided.

[@SagasuRunning]

I enjoyed the Peg Trail 1-3… nor so much the 4 though. We will see about the Peg Trail 5.

[@Johnnydodgin]

I really enjoyed this one Chris! I put over 700 miles into the Peg 39 but haven’t used one since. I’ve since gravitated towards shoes with more stack height in the forefoot.

[@SagasuRunning]

Thank you. More stack height has it's place, even I have warmed up to that. But the foot strength building of a lower stack shoe, with more flex in it, is unbeatable. A few great options out there in 2024 for that too.

[@timtrenholm3698]

Outside of their racing lineup, Nike is a tire fire, when compared to the offerings from their competitors. And unfortunately, that doesn't look like it's going to change anytime in the short term. Thankfully, 99.9% of us aren't locked into a single brand.

[@SagasuRunning]

There definitely are some more compelling options out there now… for sure.

[@QronoZ713]

36s were fantastic, so I hope these feel closer to those. I really like the 39s, and they were 30 grams lighter than the 40s in my size!

[@SagasuRunning]

Sadly these won’t. A big part of the feel of the 35/36 was the heel to toe airbag. Yes, the weight is crazy that it keeps going up. Given the materials available right now there is no reason for that… even at the same prices.

[@lesgolamola]

The Pegasus 36 was and still is my favourite Pegasus,it’s so responsive,light and low to the ground making it stable.

[@SagasuRunning]

I lived the Peg37, never loved the fit of the 38 though. I do miss that generation of Peg though.

[@cgazlan]

Nike screwed up by making the 37 up to 40 almost the same boring shoes that people have look somewhere else in the last 4 years.

[@SagasuRunning]

The 37/38 were similar, the 39/40 were very different… the 42 should be different yet. This is the Pegasus. It isn’t flashy and going on whatever fad tech the industry has on a given year. There are plenty of shoe out there for that already.

[@АлександрГрезент]

Stupid comment

[@ameysathe7486]

How were the 39/40 different? Genuine question. Have both of them, and there not a lot of difference except the plush tongue, snug fit, renewed lacing. Same react and zoom air foam too.

[@SagasuRunning]

@@ameysathe7486 The upper is the difference. The 40 has a much better upper on it. Otherwise, everything else is the same.

[@ameysathe7486]

I also feel the upper is a little more stretchy in the 40's than the 39's? Also, very disappointed with how heavy the 41's are really.

[@Laolu90]

How do you feel about 10mm drop shoes? Do you think that’s an optimal drop length for everyone/an everyday runner? I have the Peg 40s and I think due to the 10mm drop I find it hard to run slow in the things.

[@SagasuRunning]

I think they are what they are. For a shoe that is designed for everyone, at all levels, a 10mm drop is fine. For a brand new runner, heel striking hard, it’s a life saver. I would expect the Pegasus Plus to have a 8mm drop, as Nike’s more performance shoes have seemed to have moved there.

[@Chungdol]

I liked the prototype designe a bit better. The pegasus had become the ghost of Brooks, basically the same shoe for 4 years. So Iam glad they change more things this time. The 10mm drop is still a little meh to me. I would love to see it at 8mm. Its weird how people seriously say they dont feel drop differences. But then its maybe me who runs for- and midfoot strike. It feels really arkward to me to heelstrike. But ill wait for the invincible run 4 or how ever it gets called then... So far the peg41 is another skip for me. Would like to see it at 26-28mm forefoot stack. But thats just me...

[@SagasuRunning]

I’d love to see the Peg closer to 20mm in the forefoot, 8mm drop, no air bags and 1oz (30g) lighter…

[@Chungdol]

@@SagasuRunning ye, Iam a fan of max cushion shoes that are also stiff, only type of shoes I can run all distances without getting problems during and after. Minimalistic shoes work only for me up to 10km at max and even there my joints start burning after wards.

[@OdanUrr87]

I already feel the forefoot Zoom Air unit as it is, I really don’t need the Pegasus to become softer, but firmer. Have you tried out the Triumph 22 yet? It seems they’ve also gone for a softer midsole.

[@SagasuRunning]

Agree fully. This is what worries me about the Peg41. I haven’t tried the T22, it’s not here in Taiwan yet. I was initially interested but after the reviews it’s a pass for me. I’m not a fan of big tall squishy shoes. PWRRUN PB without a plate or a much stiffer foam is not for me.

[@toby9999]

I don't like shoes that have that soft compresive feel under the foot. I would prefer a shoe that is supportive directly under foot. Perhaps that's what plated shoes do? A shoe woth shock absorption but not squishy directly under the foot.

[@SagasuRunning]

Partly what a plate does. It does give softer, more compressive and reliant foams, some structure.

[@PlatinumState]

Runnersworld did a review on them already and they said they felt largely the same as the peg 40-the heel of the Peg 41 seemed a smidge softer

[@SagasuRunning]

I did read that. We will see if I agree…

[@Dramatello]

Thank you for the video! I love the Pegasus and had the 35’s and currently running with the 39’s just passing the 500km. Using it for weightlifting too I think the whole bottom is dead beat. I now face the decision of whether getting the 40’s (discounted of course) or go for the 41? Since this is the first time they use the ReactX here I think the 41 will be the beta test and the 42’s might have much needed fixes after they’ll hear the complaints/issues. What should I do?

[@SagasuRunning]

ReactX isn’t new. It was out last year. Additionally it’s still React, it just uses a different molding process. However, it’s too soft, IMO. I think the jury is out until we can run in the 41. The 40 was great and if you can get a good deal I’d say go for it.

[@Dramatello]

@@SagasuRunning I appreciate your comments and love that you feedback basically every comment, amazing channel. Yes, I realize ReactX was used already in some shoes… but not the Pegasus yet. The Pegasus has its own audience and their feedbacks will be specifically from using previous Pegasus shoes. But yeah, I guess is it’s basically the same not to mention I don’t like soft (returned the Vomero 17 recently) - I guess my safest bet is the 40 now. 42 perhaps two years later

[@SagasuRunning]

@Dramatello I do try to stay on top of the comments. I enjoy the interaction. It is getting harder though. Another option is to check out the Puma Velocity Nitro 3… it is firmer under foot and may be better for how you are using them.

[@Dramatello]

@@SagasuRunning Thank you!

[@Wings_nut]

I was a lifelong Nike user, going back to the early 70s with the Leather Cortez and the original Waffle Trainer. The key word is "was." Sadly, this brand made some poor Bud Light marketing decisions that soured me off the brand completely. Thanks, Chris.

[@SagasuRunning]

They definitely haven’t been able to get out of their own way with some of the marketing drama the past few years… but ultimately it’s the quality of the product and they too has been spotty lately.

[@Wings_nut]

@@SagasuRunning Concur

[@i.p2088]

Peg 32 and Tailwind last good daily trainer from Nike 😂

[@SagasuRunning]

I’ve enjoyed all the recent Pegs, except the 38. The Tailwind… wow… haven’t thought of that one in a minute.

[@atlaswang1959]

sounds like we should go for pegasus premium directly, but it costs $220 USD!!!

[@SagasuRunning]

I think the Pegasus Plus will be the one to go for… we shall see when they all release.

[@ISlookup]

I'd rather have a go with reactX than just react AGAIN

[@SagasuRunning]

My one hope is it’s not too soft like the InfinityRN 4 was.

[@aSkibidiRunner]

The peg is dogwater

[@SagasuRunning]

I can think of much worst running shoes. It’s all personal preference and what works for you though.

[@gascraic8374]

Peg fell off years ago.

[@SagasuRunning]

I haven't agreed with that thinking...but this year could be the year I agree.

[@gascraic8374]

​@@SagasuRunning Saucony, Puma, Asics make much better daily trainers. Nike are cost cutting because of underperforming stock price. the stock were 18% in 2021, -30% in 2022. SR02 foam labeled as zoom x is an example of cutting costs. The 41st version of the Pegasus shouldn't be heavier. and what exactly is react X?

[@SagasuRunning]

The weight thing is a problem, agree. Puma’s Velocity Nitro is great. Asics is not so great beyond the Novablast 4, and there a little too much foam to be a daily shoe. Saucony’s Ride is decent, the new Triumph is a daily. Adidas is making the best trainers at the more between the Supernova Rise and SL (soon to be SL 2).

[@tccollins596]

Either the Peg needs to lose weight…or they need to bring back the Zoom Elite.

[@SagasuRunning]

Oh! The Zoom Elite was a great shoe. I had totally forgotten about it. A trainer Streak basically… such a good shoe.

[@dyingpentas]

I think Nike may adjust the formula of ReactX for Peg 41. Like the ZoomX in Vomero is not the exact same as the ZoomX in Alphafly

[@SagasuRunning]

Likely. Especially given how they have replaced React with ReactX across the line, they will need different formulas for those vastly different shoes. The ReactX in the InfinityRN 4 was horrible…

[@WindMills_]

when I saw the prototype, winflo 11 instantly came into my head cause I won and use them now, then you mentioned it lol

[@SagasuRunning]

The Winflo 12 is a good looking shoe. It is more refined looking than the Peg 41, either version.

[@chaseanspach2799]

I've been running in the pegasus since I started running in middle school and I'm now in college. Since the 31. The biggest issue I have with the Pegasus is the air unit. It feels great for the first 200 miles and then when it pops it feels as though you are running on the ground. Hopefully, the new react x can prevent the air bubble from popping.

[@SagasuRunning]

Sadly, I think the new ReactX is going to make that problem even MORE prevalent. We shall see. 🤞🏻

[@thomasmueller77911]

i prefer slightly lighter shoes. i like the peg 40 but i have problems to find my right fit. i´m between 45,5 and 46. :/

[@SagasuRunning]

I’d love to see the Pegasus loose a full ounce (28g) or more…

[@thomasmueller77911]

the cumulus is my new pegasus... ;)

[@pcuk3311]

Think you're confusing it with the Pegasus 40

[@SagasuRunning]

The 41 is the same last and upper lockdown mechanics (which is a good thing).

[@vadimcat7222]

Хороший обзор!!! 👍 Я люблю Pegasus❤

[@SagasuRunning]

🙏🏻🔥🤙🏻

[@madrunning8402]

Great review! Thanks a lot!

[@SagasuRunning]

🙏🏻

[@rescuemethod]

Im a shoe designer and developer and love Nikes. You shouldn't be too concerned about late stage proto corrections. That can occur for many reasons, including responding to new data, management battles for control, pricing considerations, marketing overplaying their hand, merchandising adjustments and more. I do agree that a softer foam midsole will result in more extreme compressive forces on the air bag if not as evenly distributed as before, so it may be more likely to be felt and fail.

[@SagasuRunning]

Understood. I’m a product designer and have been though many late stage changes in my career… often they are not for good reasons though. Even if the team justifies them with some “use benefit”… it’s usually just a cover some something else.

[@rescuemethod]

@SagasuRunning pattern corrections are to be expected, but a new outsole or midsole? that's much bigger. If not cost, then merchandising or internal power struggles could be to blame.

[@SagasuRunning]

No doubt there are power struggles going on in Beaverton right now….

[@vadimcat7222]

​@@rescuemethodуже о политике, начинаем говорить!!! 😂

[@rescuemethod]

@@vadimcat7222 can someone translate?

[@elijahmodnar1]

i saw the (now)"prototype official pixs last year an said i would swerve them instantly from the midsole look, looks like they released those pixs to ramp up peg40 sales :P

[@SagasuRunning]

I thought the proto peg 41 was a good looking shoe. I’m happy the revised the midsole sidewalls though. We shall see how the Peg 41 runs… ReactX is a it unknown at the moment.

[@brianreiter5572]

This video combined with the last one made me wonder if the baseline Peg needs to be “worse” - including heavier - in order to align with the good, better, best stratagem. There needs to be enough differentiation to create space for two more premium models above the baseline.

[@SagasuRunning]

It seems that way. However, I don't think they are starting from any worst of a palce with the 41, than they did with the 40, or 39, 0r 36, etc. May people's problem with the Peg is that it never drastically changes, which is ok. Now with the product line tiers, Nike has given themselves room to add/remove elements they never could (or would) with the base model. I'm curious how this will play out over the next few years.

[@timmaslow8368]

I think the Peg is the only “boring” shoe I get excited about as well. I don’t expect it to be amazing but am looking forward to it. Was hoping Nike would shave an ounce off but they keep going heavier for some reason. I’m hearing June but am curious if you’ve seen any more specific release dates for the 41 and Plus/turbo? Again, thank you for the thoughtful content.

[@SagasuRunning]

If they could cut 1oz (28g) even if the shoe is problematic it would be a hero at that weight. Boring shoes are necessary… the Peg and the SL are the two that really get me. I have a note of “June 5th limited release and July 1 full release” for the Peg 41. Not sure here I picked it up but it was trusted enough I noted it. Nike did say June in their press release, however with Nike lately a release means a lucky lottery only in certain countries… so we will see. Pegs generally are pretty common though… 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@silversurfer8910]

I have the same problem that he speaks of at the end of video, with my Nike Structure 25. I feel soft heel, and air pad at front which is not that soft and its drives me crazy, because air pods are more rigid then rest of the foam around it and with that 10 mm drop it makes me feel every pound of my body at the ball of the foot.

[@SagasuRunning]

The structure 25 is essentially a Pegasus 40 with stability added… so it can softer the same air bag issues…

[@avxrevo]

Nike loves messing up models when they’ve perfected them. Not just running shoes, but basketball and soccer too.

[@SagasuRunning]

I would agree on this sometimes. They definitely have evolved a few important models far away from what made them great.

[@ThaCurbdog]

Not a fan of the firm 39/40 at all. Loved the fit and feel of the 38. I like what they may be doing with the 41 so far with the softness. Hopefully the placement of the Zoom air bags gives that sensation that the 37/38 had, where it just felt good with that forefoot roll!

[@SagasuRunning]

I hope the Pegasus 41 isn’t too soft. We don’t need more soft squishy shoes. We have enough of those. I wasn’t a huge fan of the 38 but absolutely adored the 37.

[@dorins3787]

I prefer the Saucony Ride. Or the Novablast. They are a lot lighter, with better foam, a friendlier drop (10m is a lot).

[@SagasuRunning]

The foam in the Ride 17, PWRRUN+, is a TPU blend and felt very similar to React to me, but I preferred the geometry of the Pegasus. I'm not a fan of FFBlast+, but I really like FFBlast+ ECO (it is much more consistent) and have, surprisingly, enjoyed the Novablast 4 as a easy day cruiser. It's too much foam to be useful for much else for me, though I do love the shoe. Agree on the drops, I do prefer a 6-8mm drop lately.

[@SU2901523]

Don't buy Nike infinity rn 4... It's terrible shoes.. It's has absolutely risk Knie injuries...

[@SagasuRunning]

I completely agree. The InfinityRN 4 is NOT a running shoe. It's a casual shoe you can occasionally jog in, nothing more.

[@vadimcat7222]

​@@SagasuRunningкупить за 190 $ и ходить 👣 это что-то!!!! 🤔

[@escamunicha4276]

Out of all my shoes, the Pegasus 40 has been the most painful on my knee. I dont know if its the angle or the cushion but it's just bad. It's the first time I've tried a pegasus. I don't think I'm buying one again

[@SagasuRunning]

Hmm… could be a number of things actually. I’d need to know more about what shoes you run in comfortably and prefer in order to give an idea or two.

[@vadimcat7222]

Запишитесь на приëм к врачу!!!

[@gifridge]

So the Vomero isn't good for supinators? And I just bought them....as a supinator. Uh-oh.

[@SagasuRunning]

They are ok, until they aren’t… you’ll know when that time comes.

[@gifridge]

@@SagasuRunning Yeah, I saw your video. 😅

[@Not_Sure_]

Is the new peg lighter than before ?

[@SagasuRunning]

Nope, as I pointed out in the video it’s seems it’s 6-8g heavier in a US Men’s size 9. We won’t know for sure until we get official specs from Nike.

[@kevinlevinson9512]

When do the Vomero 18s come out.

[@SagasuRunning]

Absolutely no idea. We have seen no leaks or info at all. Given Nike’s new plan though they will be this year… likely the fall. The V17 got to market in October…

[@DOOMile]

I'm really only interested in the Pegasus Plus. Very weird how scarce details have been surrounding those.

[@SagasuRunning]

I mean we have seen tons of images of them now, including official photos from Nike dealer material. The two details we don’t have is the stack height (I’m guessing it is around 26/34@8mm) and the actual makeup of the midsole (I’ve heard it’s full ZoomX, the same as the Invincible 3) but have no confirmation on that. It is the Nike trainer to pay attention to right now though….

[@DOOMile]

@@SagasuRunning Yea, I was talking about the release details more so. I hope they come out this summer.

[@SagasuRunning]

🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻

[@Ben-yw8be]

With ReactX on the Peg 41, I have some very serious reservations considering my experience with the Infinity Run 4. The Peg 41 might just be a good walking shoe like the Infinity Run 4. 😂

[@SagasuRunning]

We share the same concerns. Fully.

[@pk.28]

Would you choose Vomero 17 or peg 41 for daily walking running on treadmill and some hiit

[@SagasuRunning]

@pk.28 I haven’t run in the Peg41 yet… but 100% the Peg. The Vomero 17 is too soft and unstable for HIIT.

[@pk.28]

@@SagasuRunning so on what parameter would vomero win? Outdoor runs only?? Like I do jumping jacks treadmills and elliptical cross trainer I’m so confused which shoe to get - I don’t do weightlifting deadlifts so metcons and all are not for me

[@SagasuRunning]

Long outdoor runs where you want an overly cushioned shoe. Any type of calisthenics you want the Pegasus…no questions. The Vomero is too soft and plush for that.

[@masonkirk8697]

I got a chance to talk with a Nike rep for my local running store yesterday. The news you shared about the Nike line up reshuffle really helped me connect with him. I appreciate what you are doing.

[@SagasuRunning]

I’m happy to hear that. Did he have anything new to share that isn’t public? 😎

[@davidh5429]

Nike's issue is it's going full DEI woke. They aren't listening to what the athletes want. Environmental friendly production results in trash shoes.

[@SagasuRunning]

It’s interesting as we mostly only see Nike Elites training (warming up and easy runs) in Pegasus… occasionally Vomeros and very rarely Invincibles. I do feel like the Pegasus Plus (Turbo 4) is finally the shoe their athletes have been asking for though.

[@mymoviefilms]

I blindly bought 2 pairs of the latest Pegasus Turbo when they released expecting it would give me the same experience as the Pegasus 35 Turbo (which I love) but it turned out to be a big disappointment. I am not even sure how to describe this shoe but I would definitely not recommend them. They went full “oh look at us being environmental friendly” using left over/recycled material but I would throw them in the trash.

[@SagasuRunning]

@mymoviefilms Ya, the Turbo 3 was a casual shoe… wasn’t even fun to jog in. It was awful.

[@davidh5429]

@@mymoviefilms Exactly the issue with most recycled consumables like shoes/clothes. They use a ton of toxic chemicals to bond literally trash they throw into a mold or mixer. The result often looks somewhat decent but it gets thrown back into the garbage again in no time because the quality will never be that of a freshly made product. So it sounds good on paper but it just doesn't work. The Alphafly Next nature looked like it came straight out of a garbage bin and it literally degraded after 10-20 miles for a lot of people. Not to mention 20 grams more heavy then a fresh pair of Alphafly and about €20 more expensive. Mostly because it's more expensive to make because of distribution of recycle materials and less not talk about "electricity/coal, gasoline/oil needed to distribute material. The people currently employed do not think. And putting a severely depressed Eliud Kipchoge in a gimp suit to do promotion work doesn't sell these shoes any better either. It's a totally failure just like anything Woke/DEI