Nike Vomero 17 - Is it still relevant in 2023?

[@ABucc]

This is one great shoe. The comfort with the Zoom X on top and Cushlon 3.0 underneath is amazing. This is what the Pegasus 40 should've been. Definitely a shoe that makes you want to take it for a run more often. 👍 👏

[@SagasuRunning]

I’m glad this shoe exists and I’m glad it’s not the Pegasus. 😂😂😂

[@iamJOHNVER]

Just bought this shoes at only 82$ can't wait to try his one. I'm not a runner but I think this is the best walking shoes out there😊

[@SagasuRunning]

Hopefully it works out well for you. It definitely has a plush step in feel.

[@iamJOHNVER]

​@@SagasuRunning What do you think about it as a walking shoes? I'm worried that the zoomx isn't durable and deflate easily

[@SagasuRunning]

The ZoomX will be fine. It’s protected by EVA. No need to worry about anything deflating in this shoe.

[@ryandewerff]

Put about 30km in the 17’s so far (mostly recovery runs and a little bit of day to day walking) and man, they are shockingly comfortable. To me, just as soft and springy as the the invincible with a much better upper and no heel slippage

[@SagasuRunning]

They are quite comfortable and plush. That was what they were designed to be. I e turned these into casual shoes and they are great to walk in (though ZoomX has an odd hollow sound)… if it wasn’t for the issue I ran into in the forefoot they would be a staple for me… hopefully the forefoot gets reexamined in future updates… it could be a simple change that would make a world of difference.

[@timsmith7816]

I appreciate the thoroughness of this review. The Vomero was my daily trainer from v2 - v6. I have not run in a vomero since v6. I am a senior runner now and the 17 sounds like it will match my goal of running for fitness. Plus, I'm a heel striker. I enjoy the channel!

[@SagasuRunning]

This will be a very good shoe for you as a heel striker. It’s plush but stable, a hard combo and will suit you well. Thank you for the kind words and support. 🤙🏻

[@slickpeeker]

I purchased the 17 because of your review and very happy with it!

[@SagasuRunning]

I hope it works well for you. I have an update video on this shoe more recently on the channel. Take a look at that incase you run into the problem I did. Overall it’s a good shoe, especially for heel striking and pronators.

[@cuthomas4664]

Fantastic narrative sir! I like your review and the way you speak as well

[@SagasuRunning]

Thank you. 🙏🏻

[@woodynlily]

Wow! 😮 What a great and detailed review!! Thank You Much! ☺️

[@SagasuRunning]

I’m glad this was useful! 🤙🏻

[@LND_Ben]

Great video thank you, just got the 17’s this week… would you pair these with the streakfly? Could a comparison be on the cards as I see you use the streakfly a lot also.

[@SagasuRunning]

I’d pair them with the Pegs. I do have a few comparison deep dives planned, but not to the Streakfly… but I am starting with the Peg. I’m a big fan of the Streakfly… but spend much more time in the Pegs now. The Peg gives me most of the SF feel with much better durability. I do still take the SF out here and there though. I won’t be spending as much time in it this winter as I have in the past though. I have another shoe taking its place. More on that soon.

[@LND_Ben]

@@SagasuRunning great look forward to the upcoming videos 👍🏻

[@theinconsequentialrunner]

Great review of the Vomero. I enjoyed the 16, but more as my go-to shoe for walks when I was traveling. Pleased to hear about the changes to the 17. Loved your description of an upper as "vague" - really good descriptive word for us to know exactly what you mean.

[@SagasuRunning]

Haha, no sure if your comment on “vague” is real or a jab… on how “vague” my description was. 😂 It’s a fine upper, but nothing that anyone is going to get excited about. I’ll go more into it in my comparison video between the Pegasus 40 and Vomero 17 as that will be very direct.

[@theinconsequentialrunner]

@@SagasuRunning Definitely mean it authentically. I was running in a new shoe yesterday, and the upper wasn't 100% - didn't offer me total precision - there was a little internal roll of my foot (trail shoes) as the upper was letting it happen, and I didn't want to say that they were loose or lacking, but "vague" (and in my case only a touch) is the perfect word I couldn't find. Loving the thoughtfulness (and resulting intelligence and insights) you bring to your videos Chris.

[@theinconsequentialrunner]

And you are hitting the big time when @TimGrose comments on your videos! Ha. Next level is @EDDBUD. Ha.

[@SagasuRunning]

@@theinconsequentialrunner Thank you! I know what you mean describing that fit, especially in a trial shoe. I’ll have some trail content coming in Dec and Jan… and “vague” is something I’m running into a lot there.

[@SagasuRunning]

@@theinconsequentialrunner Tim is good people… ha and I have been having conversations quite a bit lately.

[@nicolasbouteille]

Very interesting material thank you very much!

[@SagasuRunning]

I’m glad it was useful! 🤙🏻

[@Hana_shorts8436]

Best review as always!

[@SagasuRunning]

Thank you. Thank you. 🙏🏻

[@eby61mss]

As always, nice review!

[@SagasuRunning]

Thank you. Thank you. 🙏🏻

[@turbochargedlegs]

Thank you for a great video as always! I’m still waiting for your Coros Pace 2(3) vs Apple Watch video tho🥺

[@SagasuRunning]

Thank you as always. Apple watch video is coming next month, I want to get some more time with the Ultra 2. I'll mention the Coros in there for sure.

[@turbochargedlegs]

@@SagasuRunning I see! Can’t wait for it! Btw, did you know that you can press Digital Crown and the button right below to start/stop the workout? I just found out about this a couple days ago and Apple Watch became much more usable for me for running.

[@SagasuRunning]

@@turbochargedlegs I did know that but always find the movement a bit cumbersome. I mainly just swipe on the screen for this, even with the extra button on the Ultra. I will be running the NYC Marathon with only my Ultra 2. I’ve done a marathon in my Series 8, so I’m curious how they differ. I’ll definitely discuss it in the review video. The Apple Watch is a very capable running watch. More than most runners even need. I’ll also cover this. Stay tuned.

[@turbochargedlegs]

@@SagasuRunning To me, swiping and tapping on the screen is pretty annoying especially during track sessions and rainy days… My Apple Watch 4 is D3AD at this point, there were quite a few times they “lost” the record(I lost last weekend’s 18km trail run record😩🥲). I’ll refer to your vid for my next purchase 🙏🙏🙏

[@SagasuRunning]

@@turbochargedlegs A lot has changed with the hardware since AW4… Watch OS 10 is great for runners but really works best on newer hardware. I agree that swiping/taping is annoying when the screen is super wet, it’s one of the reasons I bought an Ultra 2 (for the extra button)… but most of the time it works well for me. I’ll have my review up towards the end of Nov/early Dec. Stay tuned.

[@renieljaranilla7104]

can i use this to play basketball? thanks

[@SagasuRunning]

I wouldn’t. There is no side-to-side stability at all. You have a very soft foam on a firm form…. Also very uncomfortable to walk in an wear casually. Stick to Pegasus for this.

[@TimGrose]

Good video and interesting to see the history. I have had Pegs back now a good 25 years but the Vomero 16 and now 17 are the only ones have tried as far as I can recall. Got the exact same colour as you in the 17 as well - any colour as long as it is black but with winter coming and even very wet roads here in Portugal this week seemed better than an off white one. 5 runs into mine and 32 miles and mostly runs around about an hour and am still wanting to sort of like them but, as you say, this is a shoe that is best for going "slow" and maybe that is part of the problem these days that there are so many "racing" options that largely also do OK going slow that it can feel a bit odd to get a shoe that is for those days when you are perhaps looking forward to other ones. Initially I found them quite firm but have softened a bit and now I go get that slightly disconcerting "sinking" feeling in ZoomX unplated shoes but agree the Cushlon and perhaps even the rather generous rubber outsole (which certainly at least "works" in the wet) do firm it up a lot. Like you I tend to think I midfoot foot strike and toe off so any plush cushioning in the back is a bit wasted on me. I quite like the fit in these for my narrow feet (better than the Peg 40 for me I think) as feel although I pull in the laces a fair bit not got much bunching and the padded tongue helps takes off any pressure. They do feel a bit "flat" though to me. Running today sort of reminded me a bit of the Ghost 15 - comfortable but not much flex through the toes. The weight is of course a lot more than racing shoes and only oddly my left one is 14g heavier than the right. Are your ones OK there? I have had some shoes 10g different but think 14g is a "record". Agree nothing like a Turbo despite the dual foams. Almost 100g heavier in my size UK 13/US 14 for a start. All in all I think they will do a turn but if are expecting anything other than a comfortable shoe for mostly easy runs then going to be disappointed. These days I feel many want all shoes to do everything. This isn't such a shoe. Will try and do a video soon. It is again a bit like the Ghost 15 - taking me a while to figure them out and then like them the Vomero does not seem like a shoe where there are queues of runners wanting to get one. However I feel I "need" to wear something like this and the Pegs some days as otherwise would be in "racing" shoes every day and even for placebo reasons that never seems a great idea.

[@SagasuRunning]

This is the issue with the anticipation of the Vomero. Few have actually heard of it or run in it prior to the 14. That tells you how niche the shoe was in the Nike running line as it has been around forever. I do think most need to spend more time in a shoe like this. It is one of the main issues I have with the whole "super trainer" thing. Not every run needs to be in a shoe that rolls and bounces you through your gait cycle. Not that that is a bad thing, but it shouldn't be every run. Running in "boring" shoes is a different type of training stimulus, that emphasis the foot and mechanic much more. So when you do put on the "not boring" shoes, they are all the better. I've spent more time in the VF3 the past few months than I ever have a VF or a plated shoe. However, that shoe is special in how it flexes and adapts to what you ask it to do. I think I've finally figured out why (video soon). but for every workout or longrun in the VF3, there are 2-3 in the peg. My main rotation of two pairs of Pegs and two pairs of VFs worked well for me this fall and was very enjoyable and versatile. My V17s are 3g apart, nothing major. I had a pair of Peg 39s last year that where around 10g apart, I did fin that odd.

[@TimGrose]

@@SagasuRunning I have ran a fair bit this week in a pair of VF1 I keep here in Portugal (even my long run "up a mountain") but they do seem to aggravate some issues got at moment in my left foot around the ankle area. Vomero 17 did at least not make that any worse today in an 8 miler around about "steasy" pace to borrow a term from Seth. Oddly also I haven't got overly many newish shoes I like at the moment and always feel I can be pushing my luck past about 250 miles which those VF1 have done. I got the Vomero 16 to 250 miles and then stopped using them. I ought to try a short run to remind me but do recall they were quite similar to the 17 in that running "faster" in them wasn't overly easy but I must have thought they were OK to get that much mileage out of them with plenty of others ones to try. I feel these will probably be the same. I think I prefer the 17 lockdown. The 16 always felt slightly too wide for me. I think the 2 "bands" work well for me to pull in the laces tight but not so tight feel am cutting off circulation which sort of does happen a bit in the Pegs. I also have a pair of lightly used Invincible 2 here and a pair of well used Speed 1. The latter did well in a hill session the other day. The Invincible 2 just looks gigantic at the heel I haven't worn them. I never bothered with the 3 as kind of went off that sinking feel and then one day I recall started getting odd knee twinges that did not seem to get when changed to something else. Anyway good luck for New York. Seems will be several KZbinrs there but I suspect you will the only one actually "trying" !

[@SagasuRunning]

I absolutely love the ZoomX sink, I really really do. However, I'm very picky where I "like" it. VF, very yes. SF, yes, V17, ok. I1&2, not so much. I3, everything is too wide. I do think ZoomX needs "something else" in it, a plate, a shank, a carrier foam. ZoomX on it's own is just too rolly and bouncy, two sensations I have realized this past year I don't like in rolling shoes, especially together. I'm actually going to do a bit of a project with the two pairs of Pegs I'm currently running in. The white ones are around 200miles ans the black ones are around 160miles. I'm going to run them both into the ground this winter. I want to see how much I can actually get out of them before I feel a problem, the air units give out or the outsole is just gone. I may do the same with the one pair of VFs I have as I'm also curious. I will try it in the V17, but unsure I can put those amount of miles into that shoe. The Pegs/Vfs will be no issue. Give the Vf3 some more tries, they are much more versatile than the VF1/2 and much more stable by design. Your ankle issue may just go away in them. I'm also going to be doing some trail running this winter...picked up a few shoes here in the states, one of which I'm VERY excited about (and it's not a Nike). Thanks for the support on NYC. I've got mixed feelings on it at the moment. Actually sitting down to record my 4th part of my training series to discuss it.

[@TimGrose]

@@SagasuRunning I also got my Peg 39 to 250 miles and probably could have done more but I think soon after got the Peg 40 so switched over. Not worn the Pegs for a while. Kind of need to work out which shoes are "OK" for this ankle issue and which just rub there. I think I may had the Peg 40 a bit too tight as had to cut the laces but then now they seem too short :) Reminds me also ought to try the Streakfly again. Don't think they would "rub". I did enter NYM one year but never made it to the start line and ditto Boston. Maybe one day will actually get over to race in the USA again. I did set my 5 mile road PB there way back in 1991. Presume I had Nike Streak then but not sure. For sure would have flexed nicely and in those days getting up on my toes no great problem. Better go and catch up on your training ones. Of late I feel I want to talk about "myself" in videos but can be hard with the lesser views. Don't however DNF as they always do well :)

[@SagasuRunning]

Nike race shoe in 1991, I have no idea what that would have been for road running. The only Nike running shoe I knew (and loved) back then was the original Waffle Racer, which was a track shoe. The Peg was around, Air Max, Air Stab, Skylon… but I don’t remember the race shoe. I’m mixing my content lately. Publishing what I want. Some videos do very well others are just ok. I figure something will appeal to someone and I’d rather have a diverse audience than just passers by that come for reviews (though those are ok too). I also have a longer range content plan for the channel and podcast to evolve in some new areas as well… starting next year.

[@stephend720]

Another great video, what's your thoughts on the Vomero 17 vs Infinity RN 4

[@SagasuRunning]

Vomero 17 all the way. The Infinity RN4 isn’t a running shoe anymore. It’s a fitness shoe you can run in but definitely not a performance running shoe like it was. Thank you for the support!

[@stephend720]

Cheers, must check it out. Have a great time in NYC next week. I was due to run but am out with a stress fracture, will be cheering from the sidelines!!!@@SagasuRunning

[@SagasuRunning]

@@stephend720 Oh no. Sorry to hear that! Here is to a quick recovery!

[@Everydaykaen]

Which is better vomero 17 or structure 25?

[@SagasuRunning]

Two very different shoes. Apples to oranges comparison. The Vomero 17 is a neutral cushioned trainer. The Structure 25 is a stability trainer. Which is “better” depends on if you need a stability shoe or not…

[@stuartwalker6786]

Are you going to do a NYC race vlog?

[@SagasuRunning]

Nope. I will do a race recap as my final training series video though.

[@MiracleWarriors]

This year from Nike, I chose to buy the Pegasus 40 , React X Infinity RN 4, and the Structure 25. All three are fantastic shoes for my taste and to give some time up from extremely soft shoes from Asics. But since I'm loving my Nike's shoes, I got to try the Vomero 17 and the Invincible 4 ! So far, so good. Good job, Nike, in 2023 !

[@SagasuRunning]

I know not everyone agrees… but Nike has had a very good year with their shoes. Not perfect but improvement over 2022. Next year is looking to be even better!

[@JohnBirtchetSharpe]

I think I get it , never owned the shoe , but from what you have said in my mind it would sit in my 'Puma velocity nitro' or 'Brooks ghost 15' catagory. .. (the 4th shoe ) of a rotation.

[@SagasuRunning]

I think you are spot on. It’s more Brooks Ghost than it is Puma though, so keep that in mind.

[@WithBACON]

As someone who is getting back into running after decades away, could you clarify what "aggressive" means in the context of running shoes?

[@SagasuRunning]

How I’m using it is to refer to a mix of “responsiveness” and “agility”. How much does the shoe get you up on your toes and ready to go fast. Nike went through a few rounds of much more aggressive/responsive shoes, of models that weren’t traditional aggressive shoes, around 2018/19… shoes that had geometries that were less cruise oriented and more fast workout oriented. The Vomero 14 was a big departure from the rest of the Vomero line. I have two videos that go into this deeper on my channel. Look for the one about “Running Shoe Responsiveness” kzbin.info/www/bejne/hXzOo3mJbp5lobcsi=OsoHAHAgfYdZhOzX and “Shoe are tools” kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z3OwhJaQd92CiM0si=dd1j1JqssDgk5v0l Both will explain a lot of what I am talking about often on this channel and some of the common terms in running shoes circa 2023.

[@WithBACON]

@@SagasuRunning Many thanks for the answer and for the running shoe history lessons. A question: I very fondly recall running in Nike Air Pegasus shoes from the mid-1980s to the early 1990s. I see that Nike has re-released at least three early Air Pegasus models (1983, 1989 and 1992)--one of which (the 1989 version) I definitely wore & loved. Do you know if these re-releases are "functional equivalents" of the original shoes, or if they merely look like them?

[@SagasuRunning]

@@WithBACON As far as I know, they are equivalent to the originals… however, that’s the issues. I adore the Peg and love the classics… but the modern Peg40 is a MUCH better shoe. Like night/day difference. I’d go with the modern version.

[@WithBACON]

@@SagasuRunning I will check out some 40s for my next shoe purchase!

[@SagasuRunning]

If you find Peg 39s on sale you can get those too… same outsole and midsole as the 40… the 40 has a better upper but they may also be personal preference. Don’t bother with the older Pegasus 37/38 if you find a deal… Those models were very different Pegs.

[@iosifkovalenko8364]

I may be one of the few runners that hate 10mm drop. 4-8 is where I prefer to run. And I prefer to walk in zero drop shoes. With that said, sadly I won’t be purchasing the vomero 17. I did get the saucony tempus which I love. Maybe a comparison video of the 2 would be appropriate? Both have comparable stack height, while the tempus is over an oz lighter.

[@SagasuRunning]

I run in a range of drops, 0-10, but I too like 5-8 as well. The Vomero 17, due to how soft the ZoomX foam is and the amount in the heel, actually doesn't feel like a 10mm drop. In fact, at times it can feel like a negative drop when standing due to the volume of ZoomX and Cushlon in the heel and toe. I have multiple comparison videos planned, but I don't run in Saucony shoes, so that won't be one. It's highly likely someone else will cover that comparison though.

[@iosifkovalenko8364]

@@SagasuRunning Good to know. Thank you!

[@rahuls8032]

Can it be used for Comrades 90k

[@SagasuRunning]

Oh man, that is a huge challenge for any shoe. The Vomero 17 would DEFINITELY not be my first choice for that race. There is a wealth of information out there from participants, past and present, talking about the needs for the course and shoes.

[@rainisonfirehazrin3854]

have you try for a long run with vomero 17? if yes, how long is your run?

[@SagasuRunning]

Last fall I did multiple 20k right, a 26k, 2 29k and one 33k run. Most running was 16-20k though.

[@fredriksvard2603]

Vomero 2 were the best shoes i ever had

[@SagasuRunning]

I would officially classify those as old school. That goes WAY back… wow.

[@fredriksvard2603]

@@SagasuRunningThat may be but i still haven't found anything i've been as satisfied with. The lunarlon range was ok too. These days i'm lost, i like adios 8 (for very different purposes obviously) and hope SL2 will work out.

[@SagasuRunning]

The Adios 8 is a great shoe. The SL2 is fantastic as well. Two great options.

[@bunmeng007]

Insighfful history. I rmb vomero died when it introduced react foam to the pegasus so vomero was sort of redundant. Vomero 17 seems to be back to form and has a placenin nike running line up

[@SagasuRunning]

Vomero 18 is pushing it further and finally fully differentiating the pegasus and Vomero product lines.

[@mirmohsanalitalpur5884]

and what about the Invincible 3?

[@SagasuRunning]

What about it?

[@mirmohsanalitalpur5884]

@@SagasuRunning In comparison with Vomero 17. How is Nike Invincible 3. Which one is good?

[@SagasuRunning]

The Invincible 3 is much more bouncy and dynamic riding, “more exciting” as many people comment. The downside is it can be a little too much shoe and unstable for some. The Vomero 17 is a plush but more traditional ride that offers the best of ZoomX is a package that is more usable for training. Though the midsole design has some issues some runners could run into (see my most recent Vomero 17 video on the channel).

[@mirmohsanalitalpur5884]

@@SagasuRunning Thanks.

[@jinzoboy]

so it's a good walking shoe

[@SagasuRunning]

Honestly… it’s ok… there are better. You sink in quite a bit in the ZoomX foam in the heel, almost can feel like a negative drop.

[@jinzoboy]

I am a heel striker and have a very flat feet. I also usually put superfeet insoles to help with my flat feet @@SagasuRunning

[@gtzi7909]

​@@SagasuRunningPlease suggest some walking shoes. Is 1080v13 top for cushion walks? Thank you

[@SagasuRunning]

I generally avoid overly soft and cushioned shoes for walking. Pegasus 41s are my current casual shoe, it’s borderline too soft. I prefer my Adidas Sambas generally. I’m maybe not the best one to ask for walking shoes… 🤫

[@jinzoboy]

It’s my daily walking / training shoes now. I tried the peg 41, but I like the zoomX better than the reactX.

[@macewindex564]

Nike give us back the turbo, all your other shoes are trash except your race shoes

[@SagasuRunning]

Nike's other shoes are hardly trash and the Turbo has too much nostalgia wrapped up into it, people forget many if it's problems (separation of foam layers, forefoot foam bottoming out, the bad fit of the upper on the Turbo 2, dismal durability, etc)....but it was a good shoe. Seems like we may have something coming next season though...

[@macewindex564]

@@SagasuRunning i still have my turbo 2 and it's better than the streakfly, more durable too. i don't step on the back of my shoe to take them off so the foam never deteched and the fit was great for me. bbest nike shoe ever. for me anyway

[@SagasuRunning]

@@macewindex564 I’m glad they worked for you so well. We all have our magic shoe for sure. 💪🏻

[@Tony-em4cb]

Nike : we are tired of these chunky heavy softish shoes! Why are you so afraid to produce a basic lightweight trainer? Even your race shoes are becoming just TOO MUCH. A basic « performance » Pegasus is what we are waiting for. I used to be a Nike guy but it’s not possible anymore…

[@SagasuRunning]

Things seem to be changing next year… keep your eyes out for 2024 Nike lineup and what I cover… seems like some exciting things happening.

[@ISlookup]

I will never understand the statement that the 16 is not a performance shoe. Bs. Helluva running shoe

[@SagasuRunning]

It was just a mish-mash of over-built, over-padded and over-engineered craziness. Cool if it worked for you… but for most it didn’t hit the mark of what a Vomero should be.