NIKE ZOOM FLY 6 VS HOKA MACH X 2, BROOKS HYPERION MAX 2 & PUMA DEVIATE NITRO 3 - EDDBUD

[@stevegilbert1023]

Dig it. Most trusted reviewer on 'ere in my view, Edd-to-the-bud. Zoom fly 6 three years too late, wanted this in 2021. Not got room for 'em now, the cupboard's full!!!

[@Selucus1Nicator]

Thanks Edd, well ahead of the curve on getting these reviews of the zoom fly 6

[@jutsni1030]

Added to my cart now😂 thanks for the thorough review, Edd!

[@steventregurtha2480]

Great year of reviews ed. Love your work

[@EDDBUD]

Glad you like them!

[@scotts6067]

I was hoping for a vid like this one. You Da Man!!!! Thanks

[@EDDBUD]

Hope you enjoyed it!

[@jeremydalton2697]

I purchased yesterday as soon as I tried on. I ran about three miles at threshold paces and your review is exactly what I felt. I have the EK Kipchoge color. Banger here in the USA as well 170 Earth credits…

[@EDDBUD]

Great to hear!

[@68JAYZEE]

Algorithm fighter! The Saucony speed 4 has been my go to and favorite shoe this year but seeing the Tyr Valkyrie Speedworks on discount I had to order a pair. Can’t wait for them to arrive and try them out.

[@TasosHadji]

I am really glad the “elf heel” concept is back! It’s the only configuration that doesn’t cause me rubbing on the back of my feet. I had a lot of troubles lately, especially with Adidas adizero models 😢

[@ianstyring9602]

Great vid as always Edd. I may have to try out the Nike then, but my favourite plated super trainer is.....the Cielo X1!! Bet ya didn't see that coming..........

[@gileseveringham6851]

Thanks Edd, great comparison. Looks like it’s the Nike for me. Good to see the Swoosh back on form 👏👍😁

[@bluesque9687]

Wow! It beats Saucony ES4?! Thats saying something! That's really surprising! But I trust you, Edd. You are the honest one! I am curious to try this zoomfly! ❤

[@leebrown3645]

I'll go for the Mach X 2 because that's the only one that I've run in. Apart from it's constant desire to chew your ankles, the X2 is a joy to run in. 👍

[@nicancelin3714]

This is a bit of a KZbin scoop, beaten every other reviewer to the punch on this one. Love the look of the zoom fly too so easy buy after these vids. Thanks man!

[@EDDBUD]

They were simply on sale on the Nike site. Bit odd they had no fanfare

[@marga_asana2run]

Vielen Dank! Dankeschön 😀 Wow, the ZF6 must be really a banger👌The Lambrini Girls, are not bad, too 😁 Have a good week

[@EDDBUD]

Thanks, you too!

[@larshammander5354]

Great comparision, really like your videos👌Superfly 6 is on is the way to me here in Sweden, ordered yesterday. Soon I can rotate between my Nitro 3 and the new ”Black beauty” All the best😎

[@TolunayOrkun]

I really like the fact that ZF6 has a proper heel counter and good rubber coverage (especially in the heel). They were able to put together a very competitive shoe at a good value. I think Adidas SL2 at the lower end now Nike ZF6 at a higher end might be the best values this year!

[@TimGrose]

Well turn up for the books - a Nike shoe that it isn’t a racing shoe being considered best in its class. Usually I find other reviewers will be very keen to say everything else is better! Sold out in my UK 13 now in black or the white but surely bound to be in plentiful supply before long and maybe also where we can more easily get say 15% discount. Not in a rush anyway as am in Portugal this week. One shoe now that seems a bit of a curveball here is the Peg Plus and fraction more expensive. The Peg Turbos always were way lighter than the Zoom Fly. Now seems about the same. Probably also the SL2, Evo SL & Mach 6 will be in a similar conversation even if they are not plated - still fairly lightweight do it all type shoes. Maybe do a comparison with them as well ?

[@manno9621]

Hi Tim glad you mentioned the Peg Plus; how does that fit in, seeing as it's more expensive and maybe less fun than this one?

[@TimGrose]

hard to give a comparison personally until have also tried this ZF6. I was wearing my Peg Plus today for a fairly easy 5 miles or so. They are effectively a lightweight daily trainer and very flexible as have no plate nor other real stiffening features. They are also relatively low stack by modern standards and find them fairly good fund as a result and the ZoomX midsole gives a decent amount of cushioning but, somewhat surprisingly, not feeling mushy. As such it seems the ZF6 is different due to the plate and higher stack. Why the Peg Plus is more expensive is unclear as they seem somewhat similar but equally one assumes a somewhat different ride experience.

[@B.Wise.B.Running]

I’ve heard the fly plate is harsh under foot but you seem to not find that to be true . Great review Can’t wait for your Evo sl review as I’m sure you’ll pick that up !

[@EDDBUD]

@@B.Wise.B.Running haven’t felt that in all fairness.

[@MrJhockley]

Pretty sold on the Zoom Fly 6 looking at the stats, foam, fit etc. I've been rocking the Magic Speed 4 which i smashed my 1000m record in the other day. I think the Zoom Fly 6 could be a nice replacement if i wanted some more flavour to my Asics shoe collection monopoly.

[@Lee-mx5li]

Great analysis.. thanks

[@EDDBUD]

My pleasure!

[@Manuel-901]

Good afternoon. Excellent comparison. My vote goes to the Brooks hyperion Max 2....!!!! Run Happy!!!. Like to EDDBUD. Happy monday.

[@snowwalker9999]

You are one of the very few youtubers who is quick with comparison videos and I appreciate it a lot. I recently bought Puma DN3 because it just looks cool. And it is a decent tempo shoe. It's not too late though would you exchange it for a ZF 6?

[@EDDBUD]

Yes it’s better in all ways

[@Mr80Miles]

Interesting comparison 👍🏻

[@davidh5429]

Man I would love to test the zoom fly. Sadly I probably got a stress fracture in my foot. I'm probably not running until spring.

[@i.p2088]

Puma Deviate nitro elite 3 is amazing. Puma Deviate nitro 3 is high drop and narrow.. Gave it to friends. My only worries is the 10 mm drop. I usually get foot slapping in the high drop.. 😂

[@Fozzee.1970]

Doesn't feel like a high drop to me.

[@EDDBUD]

Same here

[@dmh8970]

The mach x 2 is the only speed shoe (that I know about) that comes in a wide fit 👌🏻 absolutely spot on to run in

[@EDDBUD]

Used mine this morning in testing conditions and they worked well grip wise

[@danmoylan8138]

Took mine out for a first run 10k today, love them. And I have the Speed 3, Deviate Nitro 2 and Boston 12 in my rotation would agree definitely up there 👍🏻👊🏻👊🏻

[@kevinmcateer7281]

I’d be interested to know how it compares with the Boston 12??

[@camonly849]

Probably way better. The B12 is absolutely terrible.

[@danmoylan8138]

@@kevinmcateer7281 Yeah ZF6 works much better for me, the upper/lockdown on the B12 I always struggle with and is a much firmer ride. Prefer the more cushioned ride of the ZF6 and no lockdown/heel slip issues.

[@kevinmcateer7281]

@@danmoylan8138 Thanks. Interesting!! I don’t have any issues with the B12 and is my favourite shoe of all time. I have these along with the Nike Vomero 17 and Invincible3 both in which I use for easy runs

[@danmoylan8138]

@ feet and running styles are funny old things!

[@KaydenE2]

Hey Ed, thanks for the amazing review once again. Interested in looking around for shoes ideal for 800m, 1km and 1500m repeats on a dirt track and can’t workout whether to go these sort of options or lower stack like the adios 8/ Streakfly ?

[@EDDBUD]

The zoom fly has the best outsole for that

[@Wildbrooker4304]

If someone had of told me 6 months ago a Nike zoom fly beats an endorphin speed I probably would have scoffed.

[@ucatani]

Such is the power of hate when exhaustively repeated on social media time and again.

[@tyriksmith9053]

It’s NOT OFFICIAL until EDBUD says it OFFICIAL….. love your content ❤

[@EDDBUD]

Tell that to my wife. 🤣👍🏼

[@rasyidizulkifli2285]

When I saw the specs, I was tempted by the Zf6, I used the zoomfly flyknit for many marathons and half, got my pr in them, then lost fitness due to work and Covid-19, got the alphafly v1 and loved those until they fell apart. But the vaporfly 3 are on sale cheaper than the Zf6 so might as get those instead lol

[@canadabear72]

The ZF6 is just a great all around shoe. Nothing like the old model. So far, I'm really loving it!

[@LetlotloLaBokoni]

Hi Ed, is there any of these that are a good replacement for the Tempo Next%? I bought an extra paid when they went out of production but need a replacement and that’s the best overall shoe I’ve ever had

[@EDDBUD]

Not as aggressive as the tempo next

[@meny952ify]

Hi Edd! Is there much difference between the mach X and the mach x2? I dont know which one to but.

[@EDDBUD]

Didn’t try the v1 sadly.

[@jccarranza22]

Can you compare it to the Adidas Boston 12?

[@EDDBUD]

Don’t have my pair any more.

[@edwardcreighton2638]

Live Bangkok bought Speed 4, Kinvara 14 given extra for free, for 115 pounds. Great value, Speed 4 great shoe!

[@PhilPocknee]

Thanks for the videos. Is the Zoom Fly a good option for a first-time plated shoe? I’ve never ran with a plate up till now.

[@EDDBUD]

Perhaps, it’s quite a stack here that might not be ideal for all

[@timutze]

How does the Nike Zoomfly 6 compare to the Adidas Boston 12?

[@EDDBUD]

But more stack. A little less rigid. Super outsole

[@nicolas31141]

Hi edd, you know if exists some shoes that are comfortable and fast in the same package ??

[@paulmulks]

I feel Tim Grose vibes with the comparison table 👌🏻😎

[@TimGrose]

Always need a good spreadsheet :) This was useful and I paused the video to look at it more closely...

[@paulmulks]

​@TimGrose Absolutely mate 👌🏻 Nobody does it better than you my friend 😎

[@EDDBUD]

Inspired of course by Mr G. Love me a spreadsheet

[@davidp1879]

Thanks for the videos about the ZF6. I bought ASICS Magic Speed 4 to replace discontinued AZ Tempo next%. How does ZF6 compare to Magic Speed 4 (if reviewed)? Thanks !

[@santiagodelacruzz]

Im in the same situation! Today I got the Magic Speed 4 delivered and the zoom fly 6 will be delivered tomorrow, I'll then keep one of them. So far as a light runner (around 60kg) I did like the MS4 but I'll let you know tomorrow after trying on the zoom fly 6, I expect them to be a bit more cushioned though I did enjoy the firmness on the asics

[@EDDBUD]

It tried the magic speed since the v1 I think. The combo in the ZF is a bit more compressive than some of the other stacked plated trainers.

[@santiagodelacruzz]

@@EDDBUD Yeah, after trying both I can say the ZF feel softer and a bit more responsive however I do like the firm feel, I'm just worried about doing long distances using a hard midsole... I will keep the nike, however, they could have done the arc area a bit wider. In my case asics got the fit spot on, just too firm

[@krisweston9732]

How does the ZF6 compare to the tempo next% which was my favourite nike trainer

[@EDDBUD]

Not that close in their feel. The tempo next is more aggressive

[@SteevWho]

Running Warehouse shows a launch date of October 31st in that Elliot semi colorway you like, just white with the dirty burnt orange on the bottom, looks nice. Couldn't find any other launches via Nike, Road Runner Sports, or otherwise at this point. Interested in trying them since you are so keen on them. Sure it's not a Honeymoon phase?😂

[@Re_mad7]

Reviews and puma website say the drop on the PDN3 is 10mm?

[@EDDBUD]

Check my review. Doesn’t come in anything like that.

[@cheggykirui332]

The hoka are aggresive..got a pair .🔥🔥

[@Santi-c8n]

Yes In the US. Do it for American audience

[@sheldonjanuary4058]

How would you compare the Pegasus Plus to the Zoom fly 6? I was ready to place an order for the Pegasus plus, now i dont know 🤣

[@EDDBUD]

I’m a little bewildered by the peg plus price now. It’s very much a half slab of invincible.

[@davidwilkinson9792]

How does it compare with the Tempo Next% behind you?

[@EDDBUD]

Not really that close. Very different less aggressive feel.

[@davidwilkinson9792]

@EDDBUD thanks! Have you found anything close to the tempos?

[@Santi-c8n]

The new balance sc v3 trainer is same price as Nike zoom fly6 . I’m looking forward to buy

[@EDDBUD]

In the us? In the uk they are drastically different in price

[@dannymarx3832]

Any idea on when the puma Deviate nitro elite 3 will be for sale again? Nowhere to be found. Even not on their own website.

[@EDDBUD]

No word on it. So strange

[@tombola4046]

Found them on Start Fitness on Friday last week and mine arrived today! Not sure they hang around for long though! Absolutely superb shoe and love them compared to my VF3 which I never gelled with! Also got the Puma 10% off 😅

[@joandomar1]

En 365rider.

[@TischTosh]

Always fair. Nice work.

[@EDDBUD]

I appreciate that

[@James-Henderson]

Speed 4 is great but the cosmetic quantity is poor. Stickers came off at around 20 miles, obviously doesn’t effect it’s use.

[@davidp1879]

I agree it’s better than many others I tried. But it’s not as fast as the Tempo next% in my experience on the trail nor on the track.

[@bobgibson1303]

Why Nike still does 10mm drops is beyond me. I can’t stand it

[@placeborhizomes6708]

KEXP! Hells yeah!

[@EDDBUD]

Many very good sessions on there

[@mohammedkratos4352]

Hello edd bud ... Please Which is most plush soft squishy max cushion superblast 2 or cloud monster 2 or nimbus 26 ?????

[@Fozzee.1970]

Superblast is not soft!

[@EDDBUD]

Agreed. The glycerin max is the softest I’ve tried.

[@mohammedkratos4352]

@@EDDBUD and cloud monster 2 ?????

[@idawson998]

Nimbus is super squishy IMHO

[@CT37BN]

Brooks for the max cush (against Puma), drop and retail price

[@coreydion3116]

Im wating for it they are on the way !! I was wating for a new Nike tempo Next% 2 !! The Tempo Next% was my favorite shoes ever for fast tranning but Nike release the zoom fly instead for a new improve Super trainer still the zoom fly 6 look great im excited to try them

[@gamerdude1234]

And? Tell us your opinion

[@AndrewBush_XK]

I’ve just shelled out on the speed 4’s as replacement to my much loved speed 3’s 😮

[@cityscapes4165]

The pricing for the Nike shoe is surprising. It is selling for less than the Pegasus Plus. Would not have expected that.

[@EDDBUD]

Yes a real turn up for the books

[@HawaiiFranke]

Peg Plus already 40 % off in Germany last weekend. Got a pair, didn't like it, sent it back.

[@andytlwy]

Take that KZbin algorithm 💪🥊🤺

[@EDDBUD]

🥉

[@RainerSchmitt-pv4df]

That is the way!

[@KrisP10]

Tried the Mach X2, ok feeling but way too harsh for the Achilles area 😬 Speed 4 or ZF6 for me ones my injury is healed

[@muhammadirfanbinelmi8947]

Need some helps here. My current rotation, Long run- Superblast 1 Easy/recovery- Invincible 3 Tempo- Boston12(retired) Which shoe should I buy to replace my retired B12, between MachX2 or Zoom fly 6 or maybe went for a carbon plated Vaporfly 3? Any opinions is appreciated🙏

[@EDDBUD]

Zoom fly 6 is the one

[@DeckardWill]

Edd, how does it compare to the Tempo Next%?

[@EDDBUD]

Very different ride. Less aggressive

[@DeckardWill]

@@EDDBUD Thanks Edd!

[@anthonyaustin4436]

Zoomfly 6 are being delivered tomorrow 🎉

[@EDDBUD]

Enjoy!

[@GlenfordR]

In line with the lambrini girls music, I would like to add two songs from "Be N!ce", "One-Bad-Apple" and "Blow-Paranria-Baby"

[@kengifford3714]

has anyone have a comparison with the Asics Magic Speed 4?

[@EDDBUD]

Haven’t tried it myself. But there’s not much FFturbo in that shoe

[@joandomar1]

YOWANA

[@TheSiameseDreamer]

Did I misunderstand or did you say there is no carbon plate in the ZF6?

[@EDDBUD]

@@TheSiameseDreamer it has a carbon plate

[@TheSiameseDreamer]

@@EDDBUD thanks Edd

[@joandomar1]

Es la misma de la Vaporfly,menos rígida.

[@Re_mad7]

Hoka mach x 2 vs deviate nitro 3 for easy to tempo paces at 5k to 12k?

[@EDDBUD]

Prefer the Hoka over that use case

[@Re_mad7]

@@EDDBUD cool. What instances would you prefer the DN3 to the hoka mach x 2?

[@EDDBUD]

@ Perhaps a more usable daily shoe. Maybe some longer slower runs. Just didn’t feel as engaging to me as the Hoka.

[@Re_mad7]

@@EDDBUD interesting. Running shoes is such a minefield! The DN3 has a lower stack and carbon plate where as the mach x2 has a high stack and plastic plate. I'd have thought the latter would be better for easier paces based on this. Shows how little I know!

[@idawson998]

Best value marathon shoe would you say?

[@EDDBUD]

Maybe that zoom fly. Need to do a longer endurance run to see how it fairs.

[@Feanaro5503]

Did you get the Zoom fly 6 before any other reviewer?

[@TimGrose]

I saw 2 reviews of it just before Edd's one. TBF they also broadly liked it. At least with a Nike shoe review you can usually buy it just like Edd did and so did at least one of the other reviewers.

[@EDDBUD]

I just bought it off the Nike site here in the uk. It’s on general sale

[@JonathanMallett]

ZF6 vs Boston 13? It's a lot cheaper for a proven shoe with continental rubber, but fibreglass rods. 🤔

[@EDDBUD]

13? Against the 12 it’s an interesting matchup.

[@JonathanMallett]

@EDDBUD oh, getting ahead of myself 😅. I did mean 12 or maybe Evo SL since it's basically the next Boston?

[@kevdabarber9387]

Where can I get them?

[@EDDBUD]

Out in the uk right now. US to follow shortly

[@kevdabarber9387]

@ sounds good thank you

[@stubestrong]

mizuno neo vista enters the chat...

[@dhgpan]

SUPERBLAST FOR LIFE

[@EDDBUD]

It’s good but not in my plated lineup today

[@dhgpan]

@@EDDBUD i know, i just wanted to say it one more time 😂

[@lukaszskonieczny2705]

​@@dhgpan😂

[@i.p2088]

I have the Mach X2. Love them. However the performance is definitely not as good as the Cielo X1.. I also just got the Skyward X... Most comfortable (narrow) shoe.. Very stable.. Keep running much to fast in them 😂.

[@infernaltim]

You're gonna get me to buy my first pair of Zoom Flys ever, aren't you? 🤔

[@Lachlan_McDougall]

Hmmmmm next trainer sounds like it’ll be between the Evo SL, novablast 5 and Zoom Fly 6 (I know the zoom fly has a plate but it’s priced competitively) maybe the Pegasus plus instead 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@EDDBUD]

Very competitive pricing

[@Santi-c8n]

You forgot the New Balance SC v3😢😢😢😢

[@EDDBUD]

Too expensive for this video

[@zlatantomba]

fastr2 are on sale the same price...

[@Amtcboy]

Still waiting for my ZF6 to come, hmm…dealer says next week.

[@EDDBUD]

Wait by the door just in case. 👍🏼🤣

[@Amtcboy]

@ 😂

[@AdrianNiveau]

Do you have some german roots?

[@EDDBUD]

Polish roots but speak a fair amount of German. I am a euro man

[@Lepique12]

​@@EDDBUD 🤩 pięknie. Pozdrowienia z Polski ! Tak trzymać Edd ! 😊

[@Ennis09]

Neo vista !!!

[@Stevenc1984]

I think I've picked up one of those computer viruses 🤧 I might see if I can get an appointment with Dr Meadows.

[@EDDBUD]

Maybe it needs some technical support? 🔨

[@henya2409]

I have 2 pairs of Alphafly 1 and a pair of Alphafly 3 on my shelf. All three got ruined after a combined training of 30km (2km and 18 km for the AF1, 12km for the AF3). That's all I wanna say about Nike.

[@EDDBUD]

Soft foam and minimal rubber make for a narrow use case

[@choculaxl3779]

Ugh, the “elf-like heel protrusions” are back again? For me, those always turn into rock funnels.

[@EDDBUD]

The rocks are excited

[@ultraslowrunner]

These shoes are way too fast for me.

[@EDDBUD]

Pace is relative to the runner

[@jaankann9604]

Maybe it’s just me but zoom fly looks a bit cheep

[@EDDBUD]

Doesn’t feel like that at all

[@Santi-c8n]

Please compare to Nike zoom fly 6

[@EDDBUD]

That was the video!

[@RainerSchmitt-pv4df]

👊🏼🤖‼️

[@EDDBUD]

🥈

[@randenlewis152]

i missed gold

[@EDDBUD]

Thanks for tuning in

[@andytlwy]

I guess there’s someone in Nike who knew this was gonna be a banger and decided let the shoetubers love it and do the marketing for free, nothing more valuable than word of mouth spreading like wildfire🔥. Looking forward to seeing how this does over the winter months

[@EDDBUD]

I bought this shoe with my own money.

[@andytlwy]

@@EDDBUD hahaha I absolutely know mate 🤣 I didn’t mean it like that

[@white_deer1]

Hello Edd. Bronze?

[@EDDBUD]

Just missed it

[@white_deer1]

@@EDDBUD Noooooooooooooo! 😭Next time I'll do better. 💪

[@randenlewis152]

nike fan boy confirmed 😂

[@randenlewis152]

I'm just joking btw

[@EDDBUD]

🤣

[@RowOfMushyTiT]

Remember Nike fan boys are the biggest critics too.

[@Ruffnreddyrunner]

Well guess after 5 years of not buying a Nike shoe after this comparison I willing to shell out £150 notes and give it a try I run in sauconys speed for daily pro for races and xodus for everything off road but after this comparison I shall try a Nike shoe again 🫡

[@cheekster777]

Hi

[@EDDBUD]

🥇

[@cheekster777]

@@EDDBUD 🏃‍♂️ ⚡️

[@HawaiiFranke]

Lambrini Girls .... what an awful noise .... are you serious? Even Mark E. Smith was a better singer ...

[@EDDBUD]

I loved the anger and bile. Sometimes you need some of that between Scott Walker sessions