The Walking Dead Episode 4 ALL ENDINGS - Save Tripp Or Save Ava, Shoot Joan Or Take Clint's Deal

[@karmapotato5048]

Here's what annoys me, this choice is just like Carly or Doug in Season 1, pointless. No matter who you save, They die. And I hate it

[@bodya1337-p9x]

they even have the same lines

[@winstonsupardi4732]

That’s telltale my friend

[@hlgask]

At least Carley/Doug sticks around for 2 more episodes. There was even a build up to their death. Meanwhile Ava and Tripp die in the very next episode. You can tell how rushed Ava's death is.

[@mirkopulgar2003]

This whole season is pointless. If it weren't for Clem, no one would have bought it.

[@redwing1766]

Same with Tripp

[@MazSix45]

Killing Joan was no where near as satisfying as killing Carver was.

[@furious3383]

Scarface 927 Carver was the classic case of a bully.

[@Arshman230]

Scarface 927 z

[@slvrrgld9]

Carver has a beautiful face now

[@learnenglishbybangla]

Kenny ruined his face man

[@kretavocato]

Khaza Academy Id rather see that smashed face rather than his shitbird face for what he did

[@madmeadow]

I love how surprised Eleanor is when Javier chooses to save Ava over Tripp. Like maybe you shouldn't have sold him out then??

[@cocob0l0]

Or how sad she is when Tripp is killed if you chose to save him. Like fuck off, that’s what you get for selling out Javi!

[@Valsbook8091]

And in the works of this game, it is said that Eleanor was originally Joan's daughter 😓 and the game was meant to take place in a goat ranch. And Dr. Lingard was meant to be the main villain. And the brands that were on the people's necks and arms were originally branded from the goat ranch called Capricorn ranch. And the list goes on and on. It would have been better, not great but better.

[@tgslayer4774]

10:58 Kate hears Javi perfectly well. 21:38 Kate can't hear a damn thing!

[@ljgv2]

Those fucking ghost decisitions make me hate this kind of games.

[@ignaciod06]

@@ljgv2 ikr

[@hoy5570]

@@ljgv2 telltale's the walking dead

[@Ignisan_66]

Telltale in a nutshell.

[@javinmel]

If Kenny was still alive. He would’ve repeated what he did to carver to Joan. That would’ve been great.

[@cameronthorne7778]

javinmel He has a possibility to be alive, if in season 2 you let him kill Jane and then go into the twin without him, he disappears, so he is likely still alive in 1/5 cases

[@cameronthorne7778]

javinmel That is if there are 5 endings to season 2, I forgot but I'm pretty sure it's 5

[@javinmel]

I’m pretty sure if you let Kenny kill Jane. Then leave Kenny. Kenny would be alive.

[@dragonslayer8782]

javinmel no if u keep Clem going with Kenny he dies by flying out a windshield and got paralyzed got killed by walkers

[@javinmel]

That wasn’t my point. What happen if you let Kenny kill Jane. But then leave Kenny. Whould he still be alive? Their are 4 different endings you can choose after the fight of Jane a Kenny. Either you shoot Kenny. Then go with or leave Jane. Or let Kenny kill Jane then either go with him or leave him. What would happen to THE CHARACTERS IF YOU LEFT THEM SEASON 6

[@ZonnexNecton]

Choose Save Ava: "What's wrong with you, Javier?!" Choose Save Tripp: "What's wrong with you, Javier?" This series is nothing more than "damn if I do, damn if I don't" scenario. Make up your mind!

[@grunkythegrandpaofcheese5241]

That's especially true for the Frontier. You can't begin to imagine my seething hatred for this fucking season.

[@alfeas6728]

I FUCKING HATE EVERY GAME THAT TELLTALE MAKE SAYING EVERY CHOICE THAT I FUCKING MAKE IT WILL SFFECT THE STORY In the first game lee dies you can’t do anything about Second game that pregnant lady will die no mater you choice to leave right away or rest and the Russian if you steal or don’t they still want to kill and the Russian wearing glasses still have grudge on Clem the only thing that matters is in the ending The third is basically like the second doesn’t give a shit what you expect in some of episode 5 fucking useless piece of shit

[@ghostplasma5590]

@@alfeas6728 Not True Season 3 has the best choices in the series. Just look at Conrad. Conrad can die 3 different ways througout the story or survive till the end.

[@flegis123]

@@ghostplasma5590 I agree...

[@flegis123]

@@ghostplasma5590 how to make conrad survive can you help me?

[@TheOtherDiscord]

If you shoot Conrad in episode 2, the dialogue for when you choose to save Ava is different. Tripp responds with "Oh, there's the Javi I know! Backstabbing, double crossing, no good, dirty FUCKING murderer!" It wasn't in the video and I haven't seen any comments mentioning this so it felt like an interesting fact to mention

[@tjhinkangcau3878]

Joan : Such language 😂😂😂

[@warzoneclipsanmoments8446]

You don't even have to shoot Conrad. Just treat him like shit the whole time

[@cutemuffin7060]

*...I* *Miss* *Kenny.*

[@rykerirontooth]

*Lee has joined the chat*

[@powerbite3127]

I miss lee

[@hozuko4684]

@@powerbite3127 me too

[@s8gamingshorts921]

Clementine has left the chat

[@Wulfahlicious]

*Tripp joined the Chat.*

[@owenbledsoe83]

Joan: I'm evil!!! Carver, Larry, Lilly, Norma, and Abel: Hold our beer.

[@kingdomofprussiaball7438]

Larry wasn't evil. He was just an asshole.

[@collapsedpuma]

yep lily was a big pain in the butt

[@heroic9631]

And Norma’s brother

[@Arena1999]

Larry being an asshole to Lee didn't make him evil. Norma is a fucking victim in the miniseries. It's her sadistic brother that's truly the villian.

[@artemorekhov8040]

Norma, Larry and Lilly (S1) are not much evil.

[@derassvonandreas144]

its eleanors fault that this happened..

[@exoticshadowz9088]

der ass von andreas I think people know that

[@IbarraAlejandro]

Yeah lt's her fault.

[@geezerdgeez4270]

I literally trusted her in the game and she did that

[@artemorekhov8040]

Fun fact: Eleanor was originally supposed to be Joan's daughter.

[@kryo4491]

She looked like a good waifu too

[@_ZackTheSnack_]

Why does Gabe have to give his commentary on EVERYTHING.

[@abbyfr]

GABE IS BEST BOI GABE IS LIFE GABE IS LOVE

[@tgslayer4774]

@@abbyfr Gabe is Gay!

[@stupidt3232]

@@tgslayer4774 if he's gay why is clemintine sad when he dies. Because they were dating. Plus nothing is wrong with being gay

[@tgslayer4774]

Stupidt I can see you’re a realist.

[@stupidt3232]

@@tgslayer4774 what

[@Prod.Y0UNGV3LL08]

I wish the option to save Tripp or Ava was actually truth

[@nihil6886]

Both die the same. Every character on this series that you have a option to save will day, write that

[@Prod.Y0UNGV3LL08]

Clint says we don't murder in Richmond as he let's JOAN Kill either Ava Or Tripp

[@avery5769]

Maybe he changed his mind after

[@TheWraithSummoner]

Telltale in a nutshell : no matter what you do, the story will always follow a linear path.

[@francesco6777]

fr, so disappointing

[@inwit594]

The PLOT is set. The STORY is not. Learn the difference, people.

[@iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii3048]

Javi: Go to Hell Joan! Joan: *Goes to hell*

[@laiba-cheng3736]

0% Serious lol 😂

[@isaaclozano2107]

Just a reminder that Kenny is technically still alive if you stay at Wellington and he goes off by himself

[@hyukarismo]

Nope, he's not alive. Telltale has already talked about this.

[@warzoneclipsanmoments8446]

@@hyukarismo they never confirmed whether he died or not. They even said he disappears after season 2 when you stay at Wellington. They never confirmed whether Kenny died or lived so don't spread misinformation

[@alanbrito141]

You see his car crashed when clementine goes alone, so he's dead

[@BannyTheMan]

He forget to wear seat belts again but I still like to think he's alive at Wellington ending bc telltale really likes messing up characters

[@Davidsmee]

@@BannyTheManWell I think Kenny’s dead at the Wellington ending as well, apparently Kenny commits suicide by drowning himself in a lake when he leaves Clem and Aj behind at Wellington. Which kinda makes sense cause his goal was to find a safe place for Clem and Aj to survive and become normal children.

[@mderoos5052]

Soo there is No good ending thay all lead to the same outcome Classic telltale

[@PrenticeCo1]

Fnaf Gamer If all choices mattered they would have to make multiple storylines which would take development three times as long and probably wind up being super confusing and also shit. They add the choices to make the game more immersive, otherwise it wouldn't even be a game, it would pretty much be a movie. Give them a break.

[@justynagaecka9275]

Ben Prentice true. I for example created own story and chices metter. But its difficult to create story where ALL choices metter

[@elijahproto]

Ben Prentice Fuck development time Detroit: Become Human began pre-production in 2013 i'm pretty sure and a lot of the choices mattered in that game and it's pretty fuckin' cool. Look, if they spent a little more time on that game and made some choice where if you pick up a gun that's hidden somewhere you can just shoot Joan before she kills someone and that would make the story a lot better AND it doesn't change the story too much if Ava/Tripp still dies on the car crash (Preferably Ava because Tripp is a sexy man.).

[@BlackChad792]

Detroit: Become Human is a masterpiece... sadly PS4 exclusive, but still. Choices matter in that game. There are many different endings and outcomes

[@MizanQistina]

The outcomes is not the point...for example, take the deal, then everyone see David kill Joan, so the blame of the aftermath is on David. Same thing if choose to save Tripp, David see where his brother loyalty is. All those "XYZ remember this/that" is what matters, it is about how those characters perceive your character, not about the outcomes at all.

[@wissywoo7068]

I love how NONE of these choices mattered in the next episode

[@chair7261]

I love the fact that they let you take cover behind those bastard civilians

[@owl4356]

Joan is worse than Carver.

[@TheWarwolf102]

Yeah, not Clint, leave him out of it. Damn David

[@H.K.5]

I love Clint, he reminded me of Lee. He's better than Lee in my opinion. Best walking dead character ever.

[@saihikaruno]

Hamza Khaliq clint look like he is the guy from watchdogs

[@afk3957]

Hamza Khaliq how, are you fucking stupid?

[@littlemike8895]

Carver maybe evil but joan was way worse

[@masterjustin2246]

Clem is just looking at Javi while trying to make a choice like, “Any Time now” Lol

[@praizella]

Thanks to Eleanor *For being hypothetical*

[@antseb0683]

Nope nope.The real tittle is:The Walking Dead Episode 4 ALL ENDINGS - Kill Tripp Or Kill Ava, Shoot Joan Or Take Clint's Deal

[@tashaglam4824]

Joan will kill whoever you choose to save, because she apparently wants to "teach you a lesson for betraying her." Now the next choice will also determine the death of one of 2 people. One dies, and one escapes and are never heard from again. If you take the deal, Clint dies because David escapes and shoots him during the chaos. And well, if you shoot Joan, then she dies.

[@tashaglam4824]

Ava and Tripp both die no matter who gets killed first. But the person who survives the execution will feel betrayed by Javi and the living person will be angry. But still they both die regardless. The only consequence of the choice, is to determine who your more loyal to. So it only wants to test your loyalty to others

[@redonslaught3020]

Typical Tell Tail all these fake opinions to all have the same outcome

[@snappedfoil]

Dude in the title looks so calm even though he's being held hostage.

[@dumbbitch7221]

Ava or Tripp wouldn’t of died if I t weren’t for Elanor Even tho she blames Javi instead of herself

[@youtubefan3461]

@Martin Lopez yea that seems something Lilly would do

[@tgslayer4774]

I suggest saving Tripp because I want Eleanor to suffer from her actions and what she has done. (Saving Tripp basically means you are killing him too, to those of you who don't watch the video and just go to the comments)

[@ag_gutta7573]

Can’t do that. Not for Eleanor but bc i liked tripp

[@yohomiesid7275]

I was playing episode 4, 5 min ago. I chose to save Tripp didn't knew he was gonna die. I fucking hate these kind of choices. They're pointless. Telltale fucked up

[@Santouryu3]

19:21 Joan will remember that. xDD

[@콜라거북이]

Santouryu3 I think she can't remember that.... she's gone

[@dragonslayer8005]

콜라거북이 she will remember that in her afterlife

[@thewonderofmonstrosity2699]

jeez that's brutal

[@KelovindaG]

@@thewonderofmonstrosity2699 it made me happy

[@thewonderofmonstrosity2699]

k

[@justintime5120]

I just hate how every choice you make in season 3 is irrelevant to season 4 no sign of Joan nor Clint

[@rockyomac1884]

Joan = evil version of carver Clint = a good guy jist like lee **the lee-gend wont die**

[@notalaeyt784]

carver is not a good guy lol he was at one point, but the apocalypse changed him

[@Newbierank]

I think Clint just doesn't want to seem like a bad leader.

[@rblxshortsandmore9241]

​@@notalaeyt784 just like jane said

[@blitzwv]

I like she can hear you if you tell her to go but she “ can’t hear” if you tell her not to

[@marky191]

If you listen close after javi dodges to behind the trash can you can hear one of HIS death screens

[@marky191]

Screams*

[@aquimrobinson8481]

I didn't Like Joan and I like Clinton.

[@derassvonandreas144]

Aquim Robinson clint* and yes i like him too

[@whensue9386]

der ass von andreas Hillary Clinton.. 😂

[@theguy6785]

@@derassvonandreas144 xd

[@notella190]

What happens if you just stayed quiet in the save Tripp or Ava moment?

[@collapsedpuma]

lol instead they both die

[@bear5062]

Joan shoots you

[@snowyy4163]

Both the 2 other comments are wrong Joan doesn't shoot you and they dont both die, the people behind you with guns shoot you

[@warzoneclipsanmoments8446]

@@snowyy4163 someone with a brain. Thank God

[@shxhdjsns]

Its weird how in every season atleast one of the main characters dies

[@mythos6308]

Bruh when I first played I knew Joan was gonna kill the one you picked I had that gut feeling

[@sami_irl]

So There Are Sad Deaths (Lee, Kenny) And Satisfiyng Deaths (Carver, Joan)

[@Vinthechad]

if Kenny was alive, he would've fucking lost his mind in this situation

[@doubleo-o4n]

R.I.P Joan Was shot by Javi She will me "NEVER" missed.

[@stupidt3232]

DONT rest in piece

[@sunshine402]

Rest in pain joan

[@Mr.Aflatillah]

What you know about rolling down in the deep..

[@FZone96]

I'd choose to get Ava killed just so Tripp can reunite with Conrad.

[@Shubbhaaam]

I hated Tripp So... I choosed Ava but when I realised that saving ava means killing ava then i played my checkpoint again and chose to save Tripp So that He can die and Ava be safe

[@nerding479]

Tripp the best character

[@Shubbhaaam]

@@nerding479 I realised that......

[@taharokerya5028]

You are tripping lol, tripp had your back in every situation even when you got his town destroyed, bro had every right to betray you but never did

[@heatherhood1095]

We need Kenny and lee in this situation Edit: thanks for the heart Father

[@deliriousfannumberone3889]

Dude Save Tripp or Save Ava you mean Kill Tripp or Kill Ava ;-;

[@looinrims]

I called her bullshit when I first played, I knew telltale would pull a stunt like that

[@lucybuenen1058]

The Looinrims same

[@muslimsimakhin315]

8:08 Badass!

[@youxx0_061]

“YOU BROUGHT THIS ON YOURSELF”

[@radres.]

8:20 ?

[@aldrichcirdla]

01001001101010 he used the force to pull the gun outta of the holster

[@hyperlordyoutube]

Radres_ the sound effects were David using the force

[@IceCoolingK]

11:42 the sound effect when you pick a character in Mobile Legends???

[@ziq1292]

yea

[@lessyforeva3401]

It does after you said it lol

[@jadenjenkins7600]

Clem: believe it Me: *confused* where she at? Is she invisible *few seconds later she reappears*

[@hyperlordyoutube]

I liked Clint, he was fair and forgiving

[@justynagaecka9275]

Taking the deal is stupit. Why? 1. Herd is outside. You will leave and then what? Be eaten (i know u can escape beacouse Zombie guts bla bla bla but its not 100% sure that you will survive) 2. It was obvius that Joan will not let us (she leted but ya know *cough David *cough) 3. Its telltale -_-. They wouldnt just let us leave Bonus: Clint dies while he was trying to help us and stop Joan from killing peapole

[@walkingstash7486]

Justyna Gałecka, Why shooting Joan is stupid: -Your trying to convince Richmond's people why Joan is wrong and suddenly when it looks like your losing the argument you opt to kill her, dosn't give a very good empretion. - It's a Telltale game, no matter what you pick you'll still get the same ending so being the nice guy is the better option.

[@justynagaecka9275]

Walking Stash nope. Clint/Joan will appear in season 4 so it will be a huge change in a story. You saved clint? He will be probably pissed off. You took the deal? Joan will want to probably kill you beacouse shes REALLLY pissed off at you

[@justynagaecka9275]

Walking Stash PLUS she was the one that killed Tripp/Ava. She just deserved to die. Thats all

[@dickbuttb7374]

Justyna Gałecka Tealatale? I think u mean Telltale.

[@justynagaecka9275]

dickbutt b yeah yeah i dont know how to write this nevermind im stupit

[@PsyrikAntz967831]

I’m trippin, @ 19:02 was Tripp still somehow alive? Was he supposed to turn at that part? Was that a mistake on the developers’ part? I’m mad confused lmaoo

[@mariafernandasumocoski7552]

the zombies probaly catch him......thats the bad part of him not being dead

[@rblxshortsandmore9241]

He prob becomes a walker because he was shot in the neck not head. but ava is shot in the head so she doesnt turn.

[@urosprodic137]

Wait so it never mattered if you let the bald guy turn? What the fuck Walking Dead has so many holes... With Bens betrayal in the first game too and our inability to kill him as soon as he said it, also Lilly knowing Lee is a murderer in one chain of actions and not in another.

[@emytoonz]

But what happens if you run out of time and you don't pick either Ava or Tripp?

[@breadboi9115]

that was one freakin smoke grenade. How did it make the entire complex go fogy?

[@ethangonzaga]

*logic*

[@cheemythedrunkmonke]

3:07 the face of “you bitch”

[@lightclaww6586]

13:34 wait badgers pale so did u let him turn

[@Hardability]

8:20 David has a godly ability He can spawn a gun in his hands

[@erisweirdpalace]

3:01 Ladies and Gentleman, I present you..... *The biggest snake of all video games Eleanor!* 🐍🐍🐍

[@boomboy2478]

I hate Eleanor, she is a trainer plus she is selfish because she only wants herself to be safe and stay. Plus, either Ava or Tripp’s death is on her hands

[@blitztrodden4079]

Does this guy know how to click?

[@Michelle-tw8hb]

He wanted to see what else they say and that's what other youtubers do.

[@charlieandfreinds9136]

Stop hating some people can't Evan move your lucky

[@inwit594]

As much as people don't like TNF (for good reason, there's a lot wrong with it) I did enjoy the new focus on the Garcia family. Yes, it's a departure from playing as Clem and people around Clem and it takes getting used to, and the introduction of Clem in a plotline that didn't need to involve her made most of us side with her unconditionally during our first playthrough because of our attachment to her, but I think as characters David, Kate, Javi, the kids, and (some) of the TNF faction members is really well done... in some parts of the game. In others, they're too cartoonishly evil to really take seriously. My favourite in particular is David, because he's a pretty strange guy.

[@mudalad1215]

Clementine looks a bit shiny-er

[@infernolegends5593]

19:02 Is He Still Alive Or He a zombie (He Was Shot In The Neck)

[@콜라거북이]

Collector's Advanced I think he is alive that moment, but he will die soon I guessed he turned( because he would not get the bullet in his head) and he get in Javi's way

[@badreedinedjellali1328]

I think when elinor sayed it's not about me but I think it is about her and what she did was selfish and I didn't forge give her because she was selfish

[@joannmejias8858]

DID anyone see Tripp move

[@Sir-bu9mn]

Yeah, maybe he survived

[@hyperlordyoutube]

Yeah, he was shot in the neck so he didn’t die immediately

[@matiidesign]

reggie kid people don’t die immediately when shot somewhere that’s not the head. Most people dying because they got shot cry, ask why, or do other things, it’s kinda fucked up, and probably the reason why soldiers get ptsd after killing enough

[@thehighbutwise5644]

It’s so weird without music.

[@patriousthefallenknight3185]

1:18 you see the guys in the back, dude TTG GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER!

[@srpskigamer4534]

OMG RONALDO IN TWD OMFG (Paus at 23:09)😂😂😂😂😂

[@priyamkalra]

They even got PewDiePie (ben) from s1 I guess

[@prakharsrivastava3568]

He looks no way near like Ronaldo

[@the_dark_knight2325]

Nobody: The video's thumbnail: yeah we're gay. Keep scrolling

[@bear5062]

Ayo he blinking? 2:41

[@sam-zb4xm]

8:20 magix

[@lennysummers1865]

lol 😂

[@Dragoloti]

22:08 CONRAD!

[@Camron_077]

What ! is alive ?

[@ratman4910]

What if your silent or don't pick ava or Tripp do they both die or is it random?

[@TheOtherDiscord]

If you let the time run out, the people behind you shoot you and you get a game over. I know i'm 2 years late but i'm not sure if you know now

[@Miaaaaaa10]

Everyone screaming in Richmond:AHhAhHhhHhhhHhHh Clem Javier David Gabe Tripp Jesus etc. wE bE sHoOtInG wE bE sHoOtInGGGgggg

[@saihikaruno]

Carver is more on his own actions while joan is only manipulating his men only with no actions but only words

[@DaVid-vt8lm]

RIP TELLTALE

[@SoldierOfChrist..]

Damn javi is cool but not like me

[@kyuketsukomorikirifuda]

L

[@heyimmimi]

You gotta admit David is kinda hot I mean so is Javi but..

[@Mx.Pickle]

Javi is more handsome​ than David.

[@charlieandfreinds9136]

Why

[@hyperlordyoutube]

Why r u even thinking of that, it’s a fucking zombie apocalypse not a romance movie!

[@ulutasatilla]

HyperLord who cares what it is. she’s stating facts

[@aldin.2714]

This fucking part didn’t matter cuz even if you saved in between the two they’ll just die later on

[@madelynnjacobs6194]

Harvey in his head is like oh no you didn't

[@rblxshortsandmore9241]

Batman harvey or u mean javi?

[@GOTTA_RUN]

Man I don't give a fuck what anyone says. David was literally a S3 Kenny. He just didn't like clementine and was protective with his own family

[@joannmejias8858]

Whoo Conrad's alive

[@mr.piplup1169]

The Boston massacre in a nutshell, David fucks it up

[@eliasrieger9883]

Sooooo, what happens if you dicide to "save" nobody and let the timer run out? Do both die? Will no one die?

[@Ultra2263]

Javi gets shot and you get a game over screen

[@Polskirumun]

But what will happen when you will didn t make choice?

[@pinkxterrors]

What happens if you tell gabe to help is dad? Does he go?

[@dodozlocha9312]

How is Conrad still alive?

[@warzoneclipsanmoments8446]

Accept the plan in the train tunnel when Conrad pulls his gun on Clementine. When it comes to giving the gun or keeping the gun. Give the gun to Conrad. Let Conrad kill badger. Keep a good relationship with Conrad an he will live throughout the New Frontier. Have fun friend.

[@spencerbowden2979]

Is it canon in walking dead series that everything has to go to shit in episode 4?

[@pinkyogurt8440]

On mine Conrad got ran over and died

[@diannepasia7413]

SEE ELEANOR LOOK WHAT YOU BROUGHT LOOK

[@hilix-_hyperrrr3836]

Well then R.I.P the new frontier

[@Mazzivex]

Joan should have a addition in saw

[@rub3774]

I wonder who is worse. Joan or Carver?

[@charlieandfreinds9136]

Carver

[@kyuketsukomorikirifuda]

Lilly

[@tjhinkangcau3878]

Joan

[@Mrjoymusicindonesia]

what if we did'nt choose both?

[@AcknowledgeRen]

I wonder what happens if you don't make a choice between "saving" ava or tripp in time🤔

[@A_Crimson_Clover]

They shoot Javi and it's game over

[@littlemike8895]

Yeah he,s right

[@LAL17Times]

They shoot you

[@gagelandon3889]

No THIS. IS. SPARTA!!!!!!!!!! (6:48)

[@BIGBOSS9545]

The fuck Javi?! I know you need cover but using civis as cover is fucked up

[@Undefatigable]

this feels less epic without the music

[@Transitions4563]

When did Conrad become alive?

[@samuelastaiza4545]

If you shoot Joan... you save Tripp? I dont understand that part