Nikole Hannah-Jones and Jason Riley: "Race and the American Dream"

[@geekmeee]

“We already know enough. It’s not knowledge that we lack Its the courage to understand what we know.” - Sven Lindqvist

[@geesecougar2]

Kudos to them for even debating on the same stage, they both gave a good account of themselves. Oddly enough they actually have a lot of common ground

[@q8venom]

just ordered "Please Stop Helping Us."

[@LiquidSoul06]

Let's not ignore, the please don't hinder us

[@billgreenidge6740]

I just read it today. You won't be disappointed. Awesome book!

[@evecoll5557]

He is 100% right. I left the Democratic party for that same reason, identity politics turned me away from the party for good.

[@SvenErik_Lindstrom3]

I love you!

[@geekmeee]

While one party doesn’t care… The other party pretends to care.

[@colemanjenkins8498]

That is the same tired stance that gives you the comfortable excuse regarding identity politics while ignoring the root of what drives the narrative. If you do your research, you will find that systematic racism is at the heart of the matter. Stop living in denial . From 1629---1865, free slave labor was used to build the USA. 246 years without compensation. Read the book BEFORE THE MAYFLOWER by Dr L. Bennett

[@researchsiempre]

America was and is exceptional...when compared to everywhere else. Wake up.

[@SvenErik_Lindstrom3]

Or woke up ;)

[@lancecamp5974]

America is exceptional but to anyone who has traveled the world knows exceptional doesn’t necessarily mean the standard. Other countries do some really great things that we could take notes on.

[@billgreenidge6740]

@@lancecamp5974 I have lived elsewhere too. What have you found worth noting in the places you've been to? Just curious.

[@lancecamp5974]

@@billgreenidge6740 just look at where we rank in the world in education. So definitely schools impress me in other countries and I really liked the public transit in Germany as well. From what I read their healthcare system ranks better than ours as well.

[@lancecamp5974]

@@billgreenidge6740 This is old but I believe the numbers reflected the reality when it was filmed. Kind of a good summary of how I feel these days. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mHrTfJmtZpxgr7s

[@Benjamin-fu5ij]

Notice how Nicole Hannah-Jones redefines integration in a subtle and underhanded way: she says integration when she really means we must discriminate against those at the "top" (various cherry-picked hierarchies) in order to bring up those at the "bottom" using over-arching authoritarian policies. In other words, "integration" will allow more power into the hands of black Americans who can use that to improve their present situation. The problem with this, even if it's true, is that power never tends to be distributed evenly among a group of people according to identity markers like Race or Gender. It tends to focus in the hands of the few. Furthermore, elites in the black leadership have their own incentives and interests that don't align with the average black person. Therefore, this can never be the solution to the problem she is identifying. Real solutions will sound more like focusing on the quality of education for black kids, and addressing large-scale cultural changes that have gripped the black community through things like mass dependence on welfare and rise in single-parent households. Jason Riley has a better understanding of reality.

[@egidiar.4313]

It all starts in the HOME!!!! We have to make marriage and two-parent household a lifestyle AGAIN!!!

[@wendellspivey3747]

Oh. Good; i'm sure that will solve everything and we will all live happily ever after.

[@jwf2125]

@@wendellspivey3747 Well, Obama isn’t the only one who points to the 70% fatherless rate in the general black community as a central problem. It’s not much better among whites, with the same attendant harms.

[@alfarouqaminufor3892]

It's an American tragedy, single parent homes no matter the race will suffer. Generally.

[@mikemitch4]

So what caused father not to be in homes. If that’s to be believed?!? That would be government policy. To get state assistance father’s can be in the home. The crime bills mandatory sentences, and the government introduction of drugs in the black community (gary webb) gtfoh. It’s systematic suppression.

[@nopeimnotsorry9472]

The lack of two parent household was by white supremacy and slavery. While white households got help from the federal government to keep they’re farms afloat, black women couldn’t get help for their families unless there was no man in the house. Whites broke up the Black family by selling off kids and ripping husbands from wives so Blacks have always ALWAYS coped with broken families.

[@pauldarrigo4395]

Why hasn't Thomas Sowell debated her?

[@mrs.americanpie2079]

I wouldn’t even stress him out like that. He’s past 90 and shouldn’t have to entertain her foolishness.

[@jwf2125]

It seems unusual that she agreed to this debate. DiAngelo and Kendi refuse to debate. I could only speculate as to why they don’t want to have their theories challenged. If anyone can link me to a debate I’d appreciate it.

[@pauldarrigo4395]

@@jwf2125 Count me in on that too

[@marcusjones2550]

Thomas Sowell is a very private man, and doesn't give alot of public appearances. She wouldn't stand a chance against Sowell. He has literally studied other cultures with great rigor.

[@stanleycross6000]

Jason Riley is Thomas Sowell, Jr. Also Sowell and Riley are clueless about life outside their Enlightenment echo chamber.

[@dw7312]

Who is the black guy in the stage???

[@carolynhill6590]

“Intentionally naive” is a brilliant description of Mr. Riley. It was difficult to listen to his hollow words and witness his pretentious demeanor. Ms. Hannah-Jones, however, was so factual and exuded complete sincerity about the long history of inequality in this country. She truly is brilliant, and bravo on her move to Howard University.

[@kevinodom2918]

Spend more time worrying about what white people doing instead of what black people doing and let me know how that works out for you.

[@kevinodom2918]

Yeah school choice is idiotic. Why would you give poor black kids the same opportunity that you give well off white kids. 🤔 I don't take anyone seriously If they're against school choice. You can choose your own school and if it doesn't deliver a good product that parent can leave and you can choose another one. Or you can remain in failing and horrible public schools with zero other opportunities. Their are great public schools which I'm not referring to. Isn't it white privilege that they can attend better private schools and move to the suburbs so they can attend public schools, How could you possibly not want to give same opportunity to black children while at same time believing this?

[@billgreenidge6740]

@@kevinodom2918 School choice threatens to interfere with the flow of federal funds to the public schools, which often have an abysmal record of utter failure, and incompetence on the part of the teachers. Never mind the children being cheated out of their education. The liberal priority is securing the Cash stream for teachers, however poor the job they do is

[@denisespaugh6481]

I totally agree with you!

[@johncapo2843]

I love the way she is looking at him as if he is nuts

[@abbaeben6409]

That’s what people do when they have a weak argument

[@SvenErik_Lindstrom3]

@@abbaeben6409 Exactly!

[@SvenErik_Lindstrom3]

I love Derrida!

[@abbaeben6409]

@@SvenErik_Lindstrom3 Really? Never found anything useful in the French Post-Modern Pedophile Philosophers. It’s one of my many Foucaults, I mean faults.

[@SvenErik_Lindstrom3]

@@abbaeben6409 It was a joke! I hate them too.

[@jwf2125]

(1) What a gentleman he is. She as much as called him a liar twice and he didn't bat an eye. (2) When she says, "Here's what we know," I want to ask her who "we" is. This is a device to add the illusion of authority to one's words. (3) Another cheap tactic she likes is to misstate her opponent's position as an absurd extreme, then answer that instead of the actual position, like when she went off on how the black communities problems are not all their fault, when Riley never suggested they are. (4) She's a great one for the anecdote, as though any one example is evidence of anything. The entire BLM movement is built on drawing inaccurate conclusions from a few anecdotal incidents, though the actual data shows an entirely different picture. (5) "I say this without hubris, but I was smarter than most of the white kids..." right, no hubris there, Nikole, and no racial bigotry either. Funny she doesn't mention how smart the other black kids were. (6) Her 1619 movement, in 2020, is moving into the public schools, becoming the accepted version of history. It's as myopically one-sided as the old, let's-not-even-mention-slavery version, and as unlikely to improve race relations.

[@badwellasia4898]

Well said.

[@Bell-uf9fn]

I actually greatly appreciate the 1619 project. I’m tired of American history being taught from the white male perspective - it’s very one sided indeed!

[@jwf2125]

@@Bell-uf9fn You know, we don’t have to be bouncing back and forth between two flawed extremes. We could try being truly “inclusive” of the many perspectives on a very complex topic that dates back 1000s of years before any white OR black person came to the Western Hemisphere.

[@Bell-uf9fn]

@@BonRain8734Wrong. Sorry but the WHITE establishment has always minimized the treatment and impacts of 1) native genocide 2) African enslavement and Jim Crow 3) treatment of brown people including Asians in the American experience. If you’ve been educated in the public school you have missed out on much- you have not been educated rather indoctrinated into the MYTH of white supremacy. Sorry the American story has been and is still been taught from the white male perspective. You’ll never be open to learn to true history - you are indoctrinated. And don’t think that for one minute that indoctrination doesn’t exist in this country. It exists in ALL countries and serves the agenda of the ruling class which IS white in this country.

[@Bell-uf9fn]

@@jwf2125 just stop and read the damn project - I know you haven’t.

[@mrs.americanpie2079]

You can tell she is not used to being challenged. She did make a few good points but overall he did better.

[@seanjames7625]

@Janine Landham I think You and Jason have a very different understanding of what colour blindness is. True colour blindness is when race doesn’t matter to you, not that we don’t “see” colour. I think youre taking this out of context Janine, and have a very poor understanding of what Jason Riley is trying to convey

[@seanjames7625]

@Janine Landham No we don’t. You can’t just spew bull crap and conspiracy theories and expect to get away with it. If America is such as racist country, why are the 10 most highest earning racial groups Indian, Japanese, Taiwanese, Filipino, Middle Eastern and Nigerian. Your perception does not equate with fact Janine. And just because you say it does, does not mean it’s true. It doesn’t hold any water against the facts. If you want to keep spewing conspiracy theories, you might as well join the ranks of 9/11 truthers & Flat Earthers, because that’s how ridiculous and asinine you sound right now

[@mka1967]

Nikole!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@muralikrishnareddy5373]

Important point to remember is what role oppression, discrimination and second class citizenship and consequent poverty played in the delinquent behaviour of some of the Black People. To say that Black People should not blame systemic racism for their backwardness is missing the obvious.

[@marohan]

Systematic racism doesn't exist. If you are not successful in this country it is not do to oppression.

[@davewest4289]

so then why were we doing better in many areas during jim crow. and why do asians and jews do so well, have they had it easy?

[@SvenErik_Lindstrom3]

@@marohan How about if you cannot spell "due"?

[@marohan]

@@SvenErik_Lindstrom3 myb5th grade youtube teacher would be proud of you. Put a gold star on your forehead. Even watch the class when she left

[@SvenErik_Lindstrom3]

@@marohan I love you!

[@McKendrickFamily]

Jason Riley needs a history lesson. The Civil Rights Movement in the United States began in the first century of the nation's founding. Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. is part of a dynamic legacy that began centuries before his birth.

[@wendellspivey3747]

@Orlando Brown No, Not so. Cneck that out.

[@wendellspivey3747]

@Orlando Brown Not so. Check history.

[@jwf2125]

@Orlando Brown Britain (another white-run country) banned slavery before the US did. As I recall, Mauritania, a black-run country, was the last. US states starting banning or phasing out slavery in the 18th century. By the time of the civil war, 19 states were free states, 13 were slave states. So the US started getting rid of slavery almost before the ink was dry on the Treaty of Paris, which officially ended the Revolutionary War in 1783. Of this I should be ashamed?

[@LiquidSoul06]

@Orlando Brown see thats because you only know the whitewashed American iced history. Haiti was the first in the west. Plenty of nations outlawed slavery before the US. your statement is very sadly uninformed

[@TangieTown81]

@@LiquidSoul06 @LiquidSoul First Attempts At Abolition in the American Colonies ______________________________________________________ Massachusetts itself has the honor of being the only state to have totally abolished slavery by the time the first census was completed in 1790, and Vermont was not far behind with only seventeen slaves left to be liberated by their laws. Massachusetts also receives distinction for passing potentially the earliest anti-slavery law in the American colonies within the 1641 enactment of the Massachusetts Body of Liberties. The tenth capital crime in that legal code stated that, “if any man stealeth a man or mankind, he shall surely be put to death.” Taken from the Bible as evidenced by the scriptural citation, manstealing was interpreted by the New England colonists to include what they considered improper enslavement-later it was to expand to all vestiges of slavery. Blackstone describes manstealing as, “the forcible abduction or stealing away of a man, woman, or child, from their own country, and sending them into another.” Going further to say, “this is unquestionably a very heinous crime, as it robs the king of his subjects, banishes a man from his country, and may in its consequences be productive of the most cruel and disagreeable hardships.” This law was not simply an empty letter either, and when the first instance of manstealing occurred in 1646 the General Court of Massachusetts was vigorous in its prosecution. The record explains that: The General Court, conceiving themselves bound by the first opportunity to bear witness against the heinous and crying sin of man stealing, as also to proscribe such timely redress for what is past, and such a law for the future as may sufficiently deter all others belonging to us to have to do in such vile and most odious courses, justly abhorred of all good and just men, do order that the negro interpreter, with others unlawfully taken, be, by the first opportunity, (at the charge of the country for present,) sent to his native country of Ginny, and a letter with him of the indignation of the Court thereabouts, and justice hereof, desiring of honored Governor would please put this order in execution. Interestingly, the Court chose to go farther than the law necessarily required, deciding to send back the slaves at the cost of the community. After making arrangements for the liberated slaves, the General Court then, “appointed a committee to examine witnesses and draw up the case about Captain Smith and Mr. Kezar killing stealing, and wronging of the negroes, etc.” This response to the arrival of a slave ship is markedly different than when the first one arrived on the shores of Jamestown, and it indicates an entirely different culture which from an extremely early period looked down upon the slave trade. Other colonies such as New York and Pennsylvania attempt to pass even more restrictive bills regulating the slave trade into relative non-existence but many of their efforts were vetoed by the authority of the Crown. The Royal veto of anti-slavery measures, often because of the economic benefit which England derived from the global trade, became a common response to colonial attempts at restricting slavery. Nearly seventy years later such practices nearly made it into the Declaration of Independence after appearing in Thomas Jefferson’s draft and being approved by Benjamin Franklin and John Adams. The grievance against the slave trade was the longest out of all of them, occupying the better part of a page in addition to having the most words underlined or capitalized outside of the title. The grievance in the draft reported to Congress read as follows: "He has waged cruel war against human nature itself, violating its most sacred rights of life and liberty in the persons of distant people, who never offended him, captivating and carrying them into slavery in another hemisphere, or to incur miserable death in their transportation tither. This piratical warfare, the opprobrium of infidel powers, is the warfare of the Christian king of Great Britain. Determined to keep open a market where Men should be bought and sold, he has prostituted his negative for suppressing every legislative attempt to prohibit or to restrain this execrable commerce." ______________________________________ First successful abolition of Slavery in the North following the defeat of Britain: ______________________________________ From 1790 to 1810 the number of free blacks in America increased from 59,466 to 108,395, displaying a growth rate of 82%. The next decade saw that number expand another 72% to 186,446. While the number continued to grow albeit at a lower rate of growth in the years leading up to the Civil War, those first two decades of the American Republic saw the strongest rate of voluntary emancipation ever recorded up to that time. It is this period which Arthur Zilversmit calls the First Emancipation. John Adams, an attorney prior to becoming a politician, recalled the environment of emancipation during those years saying: “I was concerned in several Causes, in which Negroes sued for their Freedom before the Revolution.…I never knew a Jury, by a Verdict to determine a Negro to be a slave-They always found them free.” ____________________________________ Quotes from the founders: ____________________________________ President of Congress Henry Laurens: "I abhor slavery. I was born in a country where slavery had been established by British Kings and Parliaments as well as by the laws of the country ages before my existence. . . . In former days there was no combating the prejudices of men supported by interest; the day, I hope, is approaching when, from principles of gratitude as well as justice, every man will strive to be foremost in showing his readiness to comply with the Golden Rule [“do unto others as you would have them do unto you” Matthew 7:12]. " Thomas Jefferson: "He [King George III] has waged cruel war against human nature itself, violating its most sacred rights of life and liberty in the persons of a distant people who never offended him, captivating and carrying them into slavery in another hemisphere or to incur miserable death in their transportation thither. . . . Determined to keep open a market where men should be bought and sold, he has prostituted his negative for suppressing every legislative attempt to prohibit or to restrain this execrable commerce [that is, he has opposed efforts to prohibit the slave trade]." Benjamin Franklin: ". . . a disposition to abolish slavery prevails in North America, that many of Pennsylvanians have set their slaves at liberty, and that even the Virginia Assembly have petitioned the King for permission to make a law for preventing the importation of more into that colony. This request, however, will probably not be granted as their former laws of that kind have always been repealed." John Quincy Adams: "The inconsistency of the institution of domestic slavery with the principles of the Declaration of Independence was seen and lamented by all the southern patriots of the Revolution; by no one with deeper and more unalterable conviction than by the author of the Declaration himself [Jefferson]. No charge of insincerity or hypocrisy can be fairly laid to their charge. Never from their lips was heard one syllable of attempt to justify the institution of slavery. They universally considered it as a reproach fastened upon them by the unnatural step-mother country [Great Britain] and they saw that before the principles of the Declaration of Independence, slavery, in common with every other mode of oppression, was destined sooner or later to be banished from the earth. Such was the undoubting conviction of Jefferson to his dying day. In the Memoir of His Life, written at the age of seventy-seven, he gave to his countrymen the solemn and emphatic warning that the day was not distant when they must hear and adopt the general emancipation of their slaves." Elias Boudinot, President of the Continental Congress: "[E]ven the sacred Scriptures had been quoted to justify this iniquitous traffic. It is true that the Egyptians held the Israelites in bondage for four hundred years, . . . but . . . gentlemen cannot forget the consequences that followed: they were delivered by a strong hand and stretched-out arm and it ought to be remembered that the Almighty Power that accomplished their deliverance is the same yesterday, today, and for ever." Samuel Adams: "But to the eye of reason, what can be more clear than that all men have an equal right to happiness? Nature made no other distinction than that of higher or lower degrees of power of mind and body. . . . Were the talents and virtues which Heaven has bestowed on men given merely to make them more obedient drudges? . . . No! In the judgment of heaven there is no other superiority among men than a superiority of wisdom and virtue." ____________________________________ Notable First black milestones in America ____________________________________ Wentworth Cheswell - the first black elected to office in America, in 1768 in New Hampshire. Black American Thomas Hercules was elected to office in Pennsylvania in 1793. In Massachusetts, blacks routinely voted in colonial elections. When the Constitution was ratified in Maryland, more Blacks than Whites voted in Baltimore. *There is American history and there is revisionist history as popularized by communists Learn the real deal.*

[@kevinodom2918]

If she doesn't get to the root of the problems and stop spending all her energy and effort on things that won't make a difference we are going nowhere. To make changes this big & serious we must leave all emotions at the door and look at this thing logically & honestly as possible. Does anyone believe that the same govt that just spent $7 trillion in the middle east/iraq/Afghanistan with nothing to show for but misery, death, disaster is going to change anything in these schools by giving them more money? 2nd best private school in my city charges $10,500 for tuition while poorest public school districts in Baltimore receive $11,500 per student. Remember that private schools also have a profit built in so its more like $9000-$9500 per student for this private school. $11,500 per student is more per student than 75% of private schools in America receive. #1 reason private schools as a whole can provide a much better education for less money is due to management and organization. They can't simply spend spend spend since they know there will be no city or government there to bail them out when run out of $. They also know that if don't provide a great product that students will leave. Poor public school students don't have this option. No matter how bad they fail these children and parents in inner city communities they know they won't leave. Where they going to go. School choice will give these parents/students the choice of seeking out a good private school that meets their needs and If that doesn't work out they can try another. Reputation spreads and if these schools don't produce the community will know. Dramatically increase school vouchers programs and we will eventually see board of education improving their product or they'll have no students or funding left. How many years can you completely fail the children/communities before people wake up. Imagine a private school using the same excuses to the parents that pay them that public schools do, parents would be laughing right out the door.

[@johnnyfive9815]

Jason believes in people choosing their own schools. I stopped believing in central government since graduate school. She offers dated solutions heavily dependent on governmental enforced inclusion. That never works. Jer own child goes to an all black school but advocates for poor blacks to go to integrated equitable schools.

[@joelrodriguez9661]

Its interesting that Hannah-Jones is making the argument for school choice in almost every response she makes.

[@SvenErik_Lindstrom3]

Plää Plää Plää you know!

[@kipwonder2233]

Actually...you're wrong. What she DOES consistently highlight...is the need for integrated schools. More to your unsubstantiated point, she also consistently highlights that, when White parents have options, they consistently choose AGAINST schools with a high percentage of Black/Brown students. White parents consistently choose AGAINST integrated schools is the point.

[@geekmeee]

And society has chosen, is her point.

[@CC-jl7jz]

Hannah-Jones is a Marxist although she would never admit it.

[@g.k.8848]

When did equality become equity? Isn't equity the principle of playgrounds and toddlerhood? "Share your toys, bring enough for everyone, play fair... etc"? Socialism might work on the playground for little people who don't have the physical capacity for moral rectitude. That doesn't mean it is supposed to be imposed upon any adult population, ever.

[@jpaultelchannel1702]

Because you and I and the next person will never be equal but we can have the same opportunities to access resources to grow and improve to a level that may make us appear equal (equity). Equity does not mean share the toys... It means that all the kids can play and go to spaces without being blocked or made to jump obstacles.

[@Benjamin-fu5ij]

The playground analogy doesn't even describe equity accurately. Equity is something far worse, inherently unfair, and requires the force of systematic racism in order to achieve "equal outcomes." If you implement equity, you neither get equal outcomes or increased opportunity.

[@jpaultelchannel1702]

@@Benjamin-fu5ij , Goodbye!!

[@Benjamin-fu5ij]

@@jpaultelchannel1702 Sick rebuttal bro! Much bravery, very intellect!

[@jpaultelchannel1702]

@@Benjamin-fu5ij If you thought I was going to spend anymore time with you on anything, you are sadly mistaken, super genius.

[@ericbelopolsky3851]

Is ALL the prefunctory rhetoric of ANY benefit when it's so ... ... ... perfunctory ... and tedious!?

[@SvenErik_Lindstrom3]

Plää, Plää, Plää. Yawn. You know.

[@valencia4215]

Jones negates the fact that failing schools attended by predominantly black/brown students is not structural, it's cultural and political. Riley's analysis is absolutely correct.

[@Erin_Bee]

Valencia it’s not cultural. It’s systemic and racist. Schools get funding through property taxes. Predominantly black and brown communities, which are that way due to redlining, collect less taxes due to less property owners and homes being worth less.

[@jmc5910]

she will never tell black people to be responsible for anything in their life , its always the white man fault

[@Erin_Bee]

Kaity Trinidad I disagree it’s not just mismanagement of funds. States are allowing urban schools to fail. If ppl want to help then white ppl should put their kids in urban schools since dollars and resources follow white children. It’s time for real desegregation.

[@valencia4215]

@@Erin_Bee No, not so much redlining as it is renters vs owners. Most black urbanites rent. Our children need school choice more than anyone but thanks to the teacher's union and politicians, it is an uphill battle. I suggest we take more ownership of our circumstances as Malcolm X taught so that we can stop looking outside ourselves for all that ails us.

[@valencia4215]

@@mxiivx7610 Sorry, Kaity but NHJ is an opportunist. As a former teacher, I can tell you without hesitation that schools located in black and brown communities receive lots of funding, especially, Title I. One of the issues is that some children enter K not knowing their basic colors, shapes, letters, and basic counting. These low-level skills must be taught by parents so that children are prepared to accelerate in K going forward. A white school doesn't make it the right school. If blacks are going to raise hell about anything, be vigilant about using designated funds to send their children to charter schools that work such as The Harlem Children Zone and Kipp rather than supporting failing schools.

[@kipwonder2233]

The Black male speaker made an interesting point...but formed the wrong conclusion. He seems to have confused correlation with causation. He assumes Black families do better economically BECAUSE of marriage. Instead, we know that marriage is more often an agreement that two people's current financial condition supports union. Meaning, financial security is often a precursor/prerequisite for marriage...not a result of marriage. In fact, MOST marriages that end in divorce...for EVERY race/ethnicity...do so...specifically...due to financial causes.

[@johnnyfive9815]

I can't disagree more. I think finances are a factor, but the theory is to have the children after marriage. Thus creating an environment in which the child has two support systems, discipline and morality, these are factors that lead to success. The nuclear family is important that's why other striving nations promote it. The black community has a horrible culture.

[@DaveWard-xc7vd]

Freedom of association is the solution.

[@muralikrishnareddy5373]

How can we have an integrated society and an inclusive democracy with segregated schools. If children of different colours don’t grow together in an integrated school setting, they may not grow up as secure and confident individuals

[@kevinodom2918]

We all did for millenia. America is huge, there are 240 million whites Americans & 40 million black. There are white people in many states that rarely if ever see black people. So obviously it's impossible to have all schools equally integrated. If you had any idea how horrible & eveb dangerous some inner city public schools are it would probably be a little easier to understand why do many people go to private schools or move out the cites to attend better public schools. I went to public and private and the difference was dramatica. Why do people like Michele Obama leave these areas and put their children in private schools? Why fk 45% of public school teachers do the same? Check out Baltimore local news & search for violence in their public schools. There are on avg 4500 assaults on public school teachers there every year. Shocking. I had to verify this multiple times because I jist couldn't believe this was possible. They also have something called "restorative justice." They don't suspend students for serious and hostile behaviors, instead they let one or two bad ass kids ruin it for everyone. 1 bad kid can disrupt and cause havoc on an entire class room. I know cuz I & many others use to join in when others would act up. Black people are the first to move and leave these schools the second they can afford to... now is that because they're racist against other black people or is there an answer that makes better since?

[@SvenErik_Lindstrom3]

Plää, Plää, Plää. Yawn. You know.

[@mikemitch4]

Its the fact that schools are funded by local property taxes. But with redlining practices how can black schools get better. Come on now lets not be stupid.

[@karanbhatt9320]

I can’t even imagine this exist. Is it before 1619 or after that?

[@badwellasia4898]

Well said Jason Riley. I am a black South African living in Cape Town, the race card is the Swiss Knife 🗡 of the race hustlers.

[@Bell-uf9fn]

What the hell? Your oppressors will never love you.

[@alfarouqaminufor3892]

@@Bell-uf9fn blacks are no longer oppressed in the United states.

[@billgreenidge6740]

Brilliant analogy! Do I have your permission to use that in future conversations?

[@rolandmtran]

Blacks did invent 'gangsta rap' wtf is she talking about

[@SvenErik_Lindstrom3]

Yes, it was the Austrians, who invented gangsta rap.

[@billgreenidge6740]

@@SvenErik_Lindstrom3 I thought the Polish who invented it

[@gr33kfr3ak8]

Must’ve been the Scandinavians

[@dcritt1]

Jason is indeed “intentionally naive”…I love that term

[@CC-jl7jz]

Everything Hannah-Jones said was based on feelings and she rarely gave any hard data. She is a poor debater.

[@johnnyfive9815]

Crazy how women clearly do not understand that it is imperative to keep kids competitive, not to give them nice things and experience. Yes, that helps, but it's the culture on how to think about administering education.

[@josephduplaga7595]

She brings up a personal story about a friend of hers being stopped because she can't use data to back her story up like the black gentleman could.

[@wendellspivey3747]

We must not be watching the same video; I do not understand what you mean by that statement.

[@SvenErik_Lindstrom3]

@@wendellspivey3747 Don't you think Mr. Riley is a gentleman????? Come on!

[@josephduplaga7595]

What I've never understood is how come Asians Jewish people black people from Africa can come here and prosper but yet people who are born here from day one can live in ghettos and not prosper and blame it on society

[@NYsummertimeCHI]

Oh I know the answer to this one! Racism. Seems like the answer to every question in 🤡 lady’s head.

[@TheAdseabo]

For one. For you know how hard it is to get a business loan as a black man in America?. Foreigners come in and are immediately eligible for grants and loans to prosper themselves

[@wendellspivey3747]

@i get it They did nor grow up in America and did not experience racism the way we did.

[@itsquitntimeisrael6519]

SYSTEMIC RACISM undergirded by Degradation, Aggression & VIOLENT UNACCOUNTABILITY against Black people

[@delirous8]

Cause those people have capital from their other nations, black Americans do not, a lot of what they build was burned. Check out Black Wall Street.

[@justinpettit3432]

Man I love Nikole Hannah-Jones. So smart, so educated, so intelligent, well researched, etc. She had a well thought out rebuttal to everything he was saying.

[@DaveWard-xc7vd]

Not even close. He has truth where she has feelings.

[@DavidRivera-ml3gg]

You couldn’t be more wrong lol

[@jmc5910]

all emotions and generalizations, i wil say jason is too nice of a guy and Nikole was looking for a debater, she needed shapiro

[@jennymisteqq695]

I cannot believe how people think she did so well. She talks fast, responds fast about the topic at hand, but that’s all it is, talk. She is full of hot air. Her positions were anecdotal, unsubstantiated and full of generalizations. People are so easily fooled. The other guy had facts and statistics to back up what he was saying.

[@svenm7264]

I don't think you were watching the same debate as the rest of us

[@kipwonder2233]

Where did they get this Black male guest??? Dr. King preached COLOR blindness??? When??? No sir. Color blindness is the belief that I can ONLY see you as worthy of human decency...if I can IGNORE our obvious physical differences. It's a belief that I cannot both acknowledge our physical differences and respect you as a human...with value equal to mine. Color blindness is the Conservative/Right's ploy to make the 14th Amendment toothless.

[@pranavpillai7778]

34:23 Thomas Sowell and Dunbar high school.

[@dcritt1]

The tone of the moderator drags the debate tone and momentum down and drains the energy of the event…nice guy maybe but nix his as# for the future debates

[@OregonEdProject]

She begins, right off the bat, with a false premise: "We begin in 1619 when the first Africans were brought here to be enslaved." No. They were already enslaved, by their fellow Africans. They were brought here to be SOLD. {Like one of my great grandfather's.} That's an important distinction if we are going to understand "racism" - a phenomenon which arose much later.

[@vcowherd39]

Save America your fuckin stupid

[@vcowherd39]

Save America you have to be white always in denial 🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️🖕🏾🖕🏾👨‍👩‍👧‍👦

[@DJTUNE1770]

Don’t mind them. They don’t know history. They think Africans were first enslave by whites which is untrue. The slaves that were brought to America were already enslave by other African tribes. They sold their own ppl in order to get goods from the Europeans. Smh

[@DJTUNE1770]

Blackfitbeauty77 it’s the truth!....you ppl hate the truth lol

[@jmc5910]

@Janine Landham they were the same race so they sold their own people

[@colemanjenkins8498]

Correction 1619 to 1865.

[@Chosenuno1963]

Hmmm biscuits Yum 😂😂😂oh hell no he didn’t just use color blindness! This guy is insanely butt kissing for you know who.

[@martianastronaut101]

Jason Riley was hitting lay ups all night...lol

[@itsquitntimeisrael6519]

You are a Delusionist who is doing America a terrible disservice for how good America has been to YOU. 98% of the wealth & we did the work long before you got here. You must stay in denial to live with your lack of conscience about your white privilege & benefits that you NEVER earned. This black immigrant male is appeasing people like you to get some of that 98% wealth you took.

[@emilyeerosew]

False

[@Bell-uf9fn]

Actually he was not.

[@Benjamin-fu5ij]

Facts.

[@cactusqltr]

You was not listening to the same video I heard, or you are a relative! This limp noodle was outclassed by this bad ass Sister at every turn! He as way out of his depth!

[@DJTUNE1770]

Jason Riley truly understands whats going on, I'm not sure i can say the same about the young lady.

[@DJTUNE1770]

Janine Landham First, a racial wealth gap doesn’t mean that racism was used in order to achieve it. Asians are on top, is that due to racism? They beat whites, blacks and Hispanics in every social categories, especially in terms of the wealth gap, so your point on that front is moot. Second, name me one “racist” policy our government promotes? In fact our government promotes racially biased policies for black ppl; affirmative action. Again, your point is moot! And I love the way you’re so called fighting against “racism”, yet you got the nerve to call Riley an Oreo, implying that he’s a “coon” or “sellout” because of his beliefs. Do you know what they call white ppl that say other whites aren’t white enough? 🤔🤔 your indistinguishable from them.

[@jmc5910]

@@DJTUNE1770 "Do you know what they call white ppl that say other whites aren’t white enough?" wow now that's the dame truth , white supremacist = black supremacist

[@DJTUNE1770]

Janine Landham redlining has been banned for 50 years now. 😑

[@DJTUNE1770]

MrGorgeouslyme that guy is clueless

[@DJTUNE1770]

i get it that’s true.

[@HBrowe]

The money follows the white base

[@CribNotes]

If you're having trouble getting good teachers to STAY in your schools, ask yourself which teachers would stay in a school run by teenage delinquents.

[@dcritt1]

He has no idea how to guide this debate effectively and let the debaters shape “the game”!!!

[@DaveWard-xc7vd]

45:00 She rejects the notion that black culture is keeping poor blacks poor? Yet she believes that being in the same schools with the "magic white people" is what poor black students need? The problem within the black community is a lack of intelligence (average IQ between 78 and 85) and a corrosive culture. Hey lady. KZbin is full of videos that prove his point and destroy your arguments.

[@josephduplaga7595]

If you notice she only talks about things that she can't prove just assumes. !!

[@jaydiddat2127]

Black Americans did better post emancipation then they do today, talk about that.

[@badwellasia4898]

Did you just hear what this woman was saying. We are not talking dollars we are talking resources, forgettingthat dollars get you resources, how dull can you be.

[@milestackettmusic]

Equality of opportunity bot Equity. Equity is earned not just given

[@johnnyfive9815]

Why can't Progressives understand that

[@Mrs.CGraves]

School choice is the only answer to this problem. There isn’t enough charter schools, wait lists are extensive, but better public schools are abundant. If you can’t move to a better school district you should be allowed to enroll. School Unions don’t have a vested interest to allow this because they get more money by a lot for under performing schools. If no one is enrolled in the actual schools because their parents chose different schools for their children. It’s not a different education in these schools they have the same State Curriculum. Everyone follows the same curriculum. Lack of AP classes in HS? They don’t offer the AP classes to underperforming schools because all lower education is well, underperforming due to actions of the student and PARENTS. If there is little Parental involvement and behavior disruption and no homework done for years, etc, WHY WOULD THEY OFFER AP CLASSES? There may be 2 students eligible. And what a loss for those 2 students who did all they were asked to do.. those 2 should be allowed to go to better schools. We must have accountability on individuals and the blaming of the system is BS.

[@HBrowe]

Hate this conversation…. This is typical what privilege cast do. Sit back watch the black folk go at it over stuff they created and know the damage it creates… You miss me completely with this debate…😏

[@michaelhiggins2562]

Voter ID is suppression? She is looking for reasons to be a victim. Jason is 100% right! If you want to "dramatically improve" education for Black children adopt widespread use of vouchers and charter school. Teacher unions are the biggest problem in American education -- you cannot even fire an incompetent teacher?

[@sharona.bembery7338]

You can fire incompetent teachers; trust me I’ve written up many of them. Charters are being used to resegregate schools.

[@billgreenidge6740]

Thank you!

[@billgreenidge6740]

@@sharona.bembery7338 We do a great deal of self segregating. Many folks in our communities clamor for it. An example not typically seen that way are the promotion of HBCUs.

[@DaveWard-xc7vd]

Nothing like having your comments deleted. This is why the left can make no progress.

[@pranavpillai7778]

36:57 Riley destroys

[@JossephDavvid]

Mrs Hannah-Jones is obviously very passionate and astute, but she not once pointed to the need for black people to exercise personal responsibility. In her view, every ill that black folks face is ultimately bound to some aspect of racism. That type of worldview will only foster a self defeating attitude of victimization, which has never shown to uplift a group of people.

[@AlitheaJ]

Well black people are being oppressed. Rather than ask the victims of racism how to survive in such a violent and hostile environment, focus on the oppressor and how they can stop terrorising black americans. What are you all doing to stop being racist?

[@jwf2125]

@@AlitheaJ This is mainly what I do: I go through each day treating everyone I meet with as much dignity and compassion as I can muster, aware of my biases and compensating for them where necessary. The more aware I become of them, the looser their hold on me. But I’m not obligated to hop on anybody’s hobby horse. Wait, I’m sorry I wrote that last. This issue is so much more than a “hobby horse”. Apologies.

[@geesecougar2]

@@AlitheaJ you're not wrong about that. But how realistic is it to wait for everyone else to be completely not racist? I don't see how you can bludgeon and shame people into being not racist on a wide enough scale for positive socio economic change to happen for blacks in a reasonable timeframe. Eventually you may get there with identity politics in a few decades, or you may face a backlash from non-black people rejecting that bludgeon and not get there at all.

[@onyeilonyeil9468]

I SALUTE YOU NICOLE. I don't think it's right u were given a choice to ansa either question in d end, dey could've allowed u to ansa both, but I like how u tried 2 ansa both. U wer d only one dat got an ovation, I wonder y.

[@tpstrat14]

why you talkin white in da furss sentunz. smh

[@naturaldisaster2]

This is Nicole audience

[@onyeilonyeil9468]

@@naturaldisaster2 You've neva seen fans boo who dey like b4 if dey're not happy with you? Whether they're fans or not, the truth is the truth, some'll receive it, some won't

[@johnnyarellano7653]

Chiiilldd Riley gets on my nerve lol

[@badwellasia4898]

She gives her opinion not facts.

[@dcritt1]

What a D minus moderator!!!

[@LiquidSoul06]

54:33 "what roll does white culture playin..." is a question Riley will never answer honestly. He will never say anything negative about white American culture. SMH

[@alfarouqaminufor3892]

"White American culture" that's a broad generalization. Not all white people hold the same value, not all white people were pro-slavery or supported Jim crow. So there is no "white culture".

[@LiquidSoul06]

@@alfarouqaminufor3892 that's fair, by that logic when Riley and his ilk speak on black culture he is being disingenuous, yet many conseratives folk rarely allows for blk folk not to be responsible for any and each blk person who do anything wrong

[@SvenErik_Lindstrom3]

@@LiquidSoul06 PPÖÖÖÖPÖÖ

[@SvenErik_Lindstrom3]

Plää, Plää, Plää. Yawn. You know.

[@billgreenidge6740]

@@alfarouqaminufor3892 Likely because he doesn't share the opinion that "white culture" isn't the problem.

[@carlylegnd]

Ms Jones occupies a special place in the contemporary American narrative. I am going to be very kind: Jason Riley is dull and uninteresting offering nothing new to the conversation that is so important in America today.

[@afr43210]

Nikole Hannah-Jones paints everything with a broad brush and over-generalizes things. Also, I don't believe there are segregated schools in NYC with the possible exception of Staten Island. There are all races throughout the city and I would think the schools reflect that.

[@marohan]

She takes offenses. No other culture has wap wap wap n gangster rap coming out of Chicago that is glorified. 72% out of wedlock rate n she did not even address it.

[@LiquidSoul06]

31:00 Riley is being disingenuous. It not that blk kids need to be in a school with white kids, it's that schools with a majority of white kid typically have more money, technology, and resources.

[@LiquidSoul06]

@TCL there is truth in that. But don't ignore having updated text book , computers, qualified and motivated teachers, small class sizes. And other resources is just as important

[@SvenErik_Lindstrom3]

I like big breasted women like NHJ.

[@LiquidSoul06]

@TCL it's not a one size fit all. Students wanting to learn is very important, but too often folk will ignore that this isn't the only issue, but folk in wealthier districts will act as if it is. If they thses other thing weren't a factor folk wouldn't do almost any thing in order to get their kids into a "good" school.

[@truecatholic8692]

Its disgusting that anyone thinks she's anywhere near the level of Jason Riley. Her claim to fame is fabricated history.

[@jeffreyb9740]

I bet your bi racial the young lady??? I dont know but am I right?

[@mrs.americanpie2079]

Yes. Nikole Hannah Jones has a white mother.

[@Edward-oy7ed]

Separate will never be equal (Jim Crow, wake up Jason) and never has been. It's good for people to see differences of opinion but I believe that Nikole drove the data and facts much better. After all that has happened in this country over race, its not something you can just vote away. African Americans are less than 14% of the U.S population and because of that, we are always in a struggle for equality. Yes we are making progress but this country is not yet color blind. Nobody mentioned the slogan of "Making America Great Again" was what many white people (not all), were counting on. Many whites didn't care because it spoke only for them, before equal rights. Trump played the race card and it worked and he is doing it again, through restricting voting access bills in many states. I want to believe Jason is right for us to live in a color bind society but for now, Nikole is in the real world and is the one on point. Culture excuses is not enough, we live in a visual world and many blacks who have college degrees are still twice as unemployed than white Americans with and without degrees. Why do you think that is, it's because of on going racial profiling in both blue and red states.

[@anthonynuzzo9512]

Riley is brilliant.......... Hands down!

[@geekmeee]

Nice opinion. You said it on the Internet, so it must be true. I’ll go back to sleep 😴 now.

[@anthonynuzzo9512]

@@geekmeee Good EEEEEEvening!

[@researchsiempre]

I didn't listen. NHJ turns my stomach, I've heard enough from her. Saw the title and wanted to comment and say if they didn't dicuss how/why Asians out perform whites and blacks, it wasn't legitimate conversation.

[@philibusters]

It was a good debate and the debate included the top of racial preferences in admissions to colleges and grad schools.

[@SvenErik_Lindstrom3]

Yes, Ping, Pang, and Pong are beating our arses.

[@SvenErik_Lindstrom3]

Plää, Plää, Plää. Yawn. You know.

[@burdonwilliams]

We need more Riley

[@TheHarveyTruth]

Riley stated that his expertise is immigration. He should stick with the subject he is good at. Although, we value his opinion, people viewing this piece, Hannah-Jones has earned a MCarthur Genious Award for her work. He has not!

[@SageGamersX]

He is a fellow at the Manhattan institute... that's an achievement.

[@svenm7264]

If the 1619 buffoonery is any indication, we should ask how she got the McArthur award. Says more about who's giving the award than the quality (?) of her work.

[@SvenErik_Lindstrom3]

Plää, Plää, Plää. Yawn. You know.

[@FireinTheBowl]

These are cultural problems. She points out problems, but her reasoning for these problems is absurd. Nigerians are the most educated people in the U.S.

[@billgreenidge6740]

As someone of Nigerian descent, I'm interested in your source for that particular claim.

[@johnnyfive9815]

More than Eastern asian Americans 🤔 cut that out, bro

[@skizzymars9945]

no, they’re not.

[@Mrs.CGraves]

If someone voted for Obama and put the trust for their entire existence (job, money, policy, futures) I’m going to say 100% they are not racist. -and the country voted twice.

[@Mrs.CGraves]

And if you voted twice your dumb. You took a chance on the first “uniting everyone” message, then saw his extreme leftist policies you should not have voted to re-elect if you are Conservative., that’s why it was a minority.. because Conservatives didn’t like his policies

[@willienixon6847]

Jason's voice is annoying.

[@StrategicWealthLLC]

3 Toe Sally - So is your writing. Both of us make stupid points.

[@willienixon6847]

@@StrategicWealthLLC hi. I see you've found my post! What made you reply?

[@willienixon6847]

@i get it what is talking white? Please explain.

[@willienixon6847]

What is talking white? Please explain. I am talking about sounding nasally.

[@SvenErik_Lindstrom3]

She sad "he or she". What a binary person!

[@galanis38]

Are you just a troll or something? You have made one after another inane comment on this thread. Participate in comment or discussion or just shut up.