Nikon ZF: No Compromise Retro Bait

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[@davidaltizer]

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[@thepirateshoots]

Canon should be next, please ❤❤❤❤

[@gostaberling8389]

Nikon Zf is the most exciting and inspiring camera release in many years.

[@davidaltizer]

Hopefully a sign for things to come

[@neklamp2431]

Out of all the videos I've watched so far about the Zf, yours (even as a Canon user) is much more authentic and full of enthusiasm. Old cameras looked amazing, I wish more companies would make cameras based on their older cameras. It would be so cool to see a Rolleiflex camera coming back to life! I am a Zfc owner. One thing that I find really annoying is the lack of smaller cool looking zoom lenses. Current zoom lenses look horrible on both Zfc and Zf cameras and the shooting experience becomes a pain. Yes to older looking cameras, no to current lenses.

[@smodjo]

Best philosophical video talk since a long time - perfect :)

[@davidaltizer]

lol! awesome! will be doing more! i’m not interested in making “standard” reviews anymore. just rants.

[@barryanders]

Nikon ZF is the full frame Fuji I always wanted.

[@-AtomsPhere-]

Man…I’ve been really struggling between getting the ZF or the Sony A7Cii as my first FF mirrorless. I was kind of in the mindset of “just get the Sony, they’re the #1 brand for years now, and they seem to be the only ones innovating” But as someone whose first camera was a chunky Nikon DSLR, I just feel so proud of them for making a comeback and I want to reward them. It was sad hearing they were on the verge of bankruptcy up until recently. They need the win, and they’ve made a beautiful product.

[@trym2121]

Decide after seeing the bigger picture. Whole ecosystem. Sony pretty much matured. Nikon is just fledging. If it's just a hobby always aim for best bang budget and fun. Don't forget you can also adapt DSLR lenses to mirrorless

[@youevil9846]

Not only nostalgia, but the designs are so beautiful. I do have a canon Ae-1p and I really love looking at it.

[@ludvax50]

as a fuji fanboy i love these retro styled bodies n it so seamless when u shoot film on an sly and then the same experience on ur digital

[@davidaltizer]

That’s awesome to hear! Yeah I’d imagine.

[@niogomez]

Great video man! Yeah, i started up till night (on a school night lol) for the Zf announcement! I really relate to your sentiment about how a camera feels as a tool for making art. It's cool that we have these retro-inspired options today. Also, yes the M8 was Leica's first digital mirrorless offering which hit the market in 2006, but it was actually Epson that made the first digital mirrorless camera! The Epson R-D1 was released in 2004! So crazy to think that it's been almost 20 years then (:

[@---us7qf]

I shoot on film (medium format film), at the moment and have been wanting a GFX. With the release of the new GF110mm tilt-shift, along with the specs of the new GFX100 (the 2nd), I am leaning more and more to getting into the system. This Nikon ZF is also “calling my name,” just because of how it looks. I already have a Nikon Nikomat and an S3, but I am not sure if I need another 35mm camera. Any way, the microSD card is a brilliant idea. It gives the user the choice, to put in as much memory as he wants and at the speed he wants. I think Nikon did it right, when it came to storage on this camera. More and more, this thing is calling to me (like the Borg Collective), but I must resist. Otherwise the G.A.S will get me.

[@francisxayana]

I need a camera manufacture to make a full frame rangefinder and more affordable than a Leica 🤣

[@davidaltizer]

yeah for real! canon should do it! (the wont)

[@NCSTalkid]

Nikon should redesign Z7 mark 3 as rangefinder style hi res photo oriented camera.

[@NCSTalkid]

This will result people buy z6 and z7 not z6 or z7

[@Monomonmamon]

I just want more options and competition on rangefinders rather than having only fuji and leica 😭

[@amermeleitor]

Sony a7c line

[@waterolife]

I've been waiting 7 years for this camera. I was a OM1 shooter and got an OMD without doing my due diligence. Regret ed it ever since. Can't wait to get my Zf. Placed my order last week.

[@davidaltizer]

fantastic! im a big Olympus fan myself, but the ZF gets me pumped. did you get the 40mm lens too?

[@chingsinping6832]

Common canon you heard what he's said The world is waiting for Canon oldies..

[@brendandivall6017]

The first mirrorless camera available was the Epson R-D1, which was released in 2004. Beat Leica by about 6 months.

[@Digmen1]

That was a good video I have a Nikon Z6ii and a Zfc I think the Zfc has been out nearly two years now (you said one) I would not buy a Zf as I am on a limited bdget and the retro thing is not a big deal for me. I'm going to wait for the Z6iii (looks like a real modern pros camera!) I love my zfc as its small and Mint Green. That said I think NIkon have done a great job with the Zf and that it will sell very well.

[@VolkswagenNut1969]

Excellent take on it! I started back in the 1980s when the FE and AE1 were the standard. Today I’m still a working photographer that needs a good well thought out tool…..but why can’t it also be fun and appealing? I’ll never understand all the critics that dismiss cameras like the Zf as “just a pointless exercise for hipster fashionistas”. The Zfc and the Zf are great cameras (they didn’t half-ass them at all), and also fun, cool, and appealing. Why not?! 😉 It actually makes me want to go out and shoot more, even when I don’t have a paid job to do. I certainly hope the Zf is super successful, and I hope that Canon follows suit. 😃

[@tudorciobanu3895]

You’re so so right, thanknyou

[@davidaltizer]

✌️

[@MEBoisv]

The Sony A7 line doesn't enough credit for what I think finds a great middle ground between modern and retro styling. The a7c of course has that gorgeous silver top on a sleek rangefinder body, but even my a7iii has a lot of the shape and angles of that Pentax and Nikon just with a modern matte black body. Over the past few years I think I'd say Canon has had the most modern, least retro, designs, but hopefully you're right. Hopefully they'll surprise us. I want a Fuji but frankly I'm a little upset that I can't get an x100v at a decent price.

[@trym2121]

Agree a7 is best balance retro-modern FF style But A7c is just funky with square-ish design. Either you hate it or you bear with it.

[@MEBoisv]

I'm actually tempted to sell my a7iii for some variation of an a7c. The only thing holding me back is the lack of a second card slot @@trym2121

[@russadams]

One of my most loved cameras was the Nikon F3. Sadly I moved away from Nikon with the switch to digital. This new ZF reminds me very much of the F3 form - it may lure me back to Nikon ...

[@jvliakay]

The first ever mirrorless camera came from the printer company Epson. The Epson R-D1 in 2004. The Leica M8 didn’t come out until two years later in 2006.

[@thepirateshoots]

The Nikon ZF has the same dimensions as my Canon F1 - so that would be easy for Canon to develop this cam and say it is our heritage!

[@davidaltizer]

would be amazing!

[@ALWH1314]

Camera is like turntable, not just a tool but a price of memory for some and nostalgic for others. Being an old man growing up in film days, my first camera was my brothers Nikon F2, first purchase was a Nikon FG (still have it), the only DSLR kept is a Nikon Df and just preordered a Zf, even though I have switched to other brands.

[@johnleftwich650]

I plan to sell several Nikons in my collection to get the Zf. Wouldn’t be surprised if Canon joins the party.

[@bianx817]

This camera is so beautiful. Though I haven’t shot w Nikon since the DF. may I ask how Nikon colors differ from the canon R since you have experience with both? What are the biggest differences with the raw files?

[@thepirateshoots]

Fully agree on all from the 50s cars to the cameras styled by crazy designers. If nothing changes, I will stick to the models available anyway, as the phone UI is not ideal in my eyes to take photos with. I don't need electronic shutter, I need a dedicated shutter button, a viewfinder for harsh sunlight and the actual shutter click!

[@davidaltizer]

for sure!!

[@ortonphotoart5770]

Yes please canon. I'd be all over the zf if it was 35-50mp resolution. Coming from the gfx50r it's hard to go back. Nikon did compromise, they put video in it and a flippy screen. Just give us photographers what we want. Lets hope Canon make a 45mp canon F1r.

[@GlennSchultes]

I have an Olympus Pen EP-5. It's so beautiful to look at. Many people ask me what kind of camera it is. It's a camera that makes me want to use it

[@Monomonmamon]

I have seen a lot of Olympus Pen on the market and on japanese second hand stores, sadly I don't have one as I am a late bloomer in understanding the power of MFT. The pocketable size and the looks of it stands out

[@uyims56]

I am not a pro but I have used all major formats except medium format. I love good looking cameras with good ergonomics, which is why is I have never owned a canon digital camera. The ZF paired with the 40mm is a sweet looking combo. I also like that Nikon has the ZF in multiple colors, the orange or army green are my favorite

[@glpro2696]

I have the om systems OM5 and it has excellent autofocus,4k video,compact body,stabilization,weather sealing and it looks AMAZING very beautiful and i got it for 1000 euros!!

[@davidaltizer]

great deal! i would love to try OM5

[@Johnatlanticism]

Random, but where are your frames from? Haha. Thank you!

[@simonyoung1339]

Nice video! Did you shoot it on the g9ii or s5ii? 😊

[@davidaltizer]

c70! lol

[@domtomas1178]

you said it perfectly. I sold all my Canon R gear a few years ago after picking up a Fuji camera because I wanted to feel and enjoy the process of taking each photo. The mechanical dials and small form factor made me want to take my camera everywhere and use it. The Zf is all this but with a FF sensor, and what I've been waiting for. It just needs some prime lenses with aperture rings to complete the retro look and feel.

[@trym2121]

I'm betting that it won't happen by Nikon. Only possible if the sales outperform their z6,z7 combined. Hope only lies on 3rd party.

[@ROOOMC]

also sony with minolta? pantex?

[@TasteofTaboo]

Btw even my super old Nikon 5100 had a flip out screen. I love these screens...

[@davidaltizer]

lol! Oh dang!

[@davidgifford8112]

A couple of points of accuracy, the 2013 Nikon Df was their first attempt at a “retro” style digital camera. It married a middling sensor with a pro (state of the art processor which produced superb images. Their one mistake was it’s price point (to high) which prevented it from selling well. I bought a copy second hand, the price was right. The camera quickly eclipsed my “technologically superior” D750 as my go to camera for most uses. Nikon have produced full flippy screens for APC cameras before, most notably the retro Zfc. The new Zf looks almost identical to the Df, even down to the small (my one gripe) grip. Inside it’s using the same philosophy as the Df, state of the art Expeed 7 with a middling tech’ sensor, but this time at a price that looks very tempting. Even better I have a birthday coming up😊

[@Digmen1]

My Nikon D5500 has a flippy out screen - and so does the Zfc and the z30 so they can do it - its not high tech.

[@marike1100]

The Nikon Df used the same sensor as the flagship D4. While it was “only” 16 megapixels, it was far from middling, as it produced phenomenally good high iso performance and superb overall IQ.

[@lmauro]

a retro inspired with the internals of the R8 will be awesome, personally I will love a Canon P rangefinder style but the SLR style is more practical

[@joemonteithcinematography7477]

This is very intriguing to me, if anything that it is a more affordable Nikon full-frame with internal 10 bit. I've already invested in an original Z6 including lenses, so buying this camera solves my hatred of no internal 10 bit, while I could keep my Z6/Ninja V as a b-cam.

[@ZachMayfield]

WOW THIS MAN IS HANDSOME AND SMART IM SUBBING

[@davidaltizer]

Tuxedo boys

[@chriscaarnold]

I refused to except early digital cameras. Over the years i have had some and moved on. I had a canon g12 the an x100f some Panasonic thing. and some slrs. I don’t have them anymore. I still have all my old film cameras, pentax me and all my old nikons (fe/fm3a/f2/f3) Because I have so many old nikkor lenses i did buy a d600 which is a great camera. I thought about a df but thought it too expensive for a digital camera that will fall behind with time. The film cameras to me are still a joy to use. Im tempted with this zf. Time will tell. As much as I would luv to give a Leica m3 a go, I would hate to spend that much money on Leica glass which would be in the formats I already have in nikkor lenses. And i do love nikon as a brand. I think you have hit the nail on the head here. Great video Im considering buying one of these

[@chriscaarnold]

Ps the canon g12 had a flippy screen and loved it. I actually went through 3 of them and have a 4th survivor in an underwater housing. I work on superyachts and travel a lot, im not a pro and so far appart from the fm3a have been pretty cheap and buy second hand gear. My fe and me have taken a beating and survived. G12 as an example of any digital camera is just not as hardy as an old 35mm nikon hence i destroyed 3 of them in my travels. So i am reluctant to spend top dollar on something that could get killed by a bang or ding

[@troutriver58]

So why didn’t the Nikon Df work? Or is the Zf just an updated Df?

[@thepirateshoots]

Yes, please, Canon! I will come back to you from Fujifilm! 😀😁😀

[@davidaltizer]

man, that really would be sweet

[@brianode11]

I’m a Canon guy, have been for a long time, but that ZF looks great. Would have liked to see a silver & black version though. Hoping that Canon makes a retro mirrorless soon-ish. 🤞

[@RhettAnderson]

A modern digital replica of the AE-1, F-1, or A-1 would hook me.

[@yophotodude7693]

The Z f isn’t the first Nikon flippy screen. The DSLR D5xxx cameras have had them for years. The Z Fc, the crop sensor, older brother of the Z f, also has a full flippy screen.

[@frankyan_]

The Epson R-D1 predates the Leica M8 as a digital mirrorless camera, and it even uses the M-mount. And Olympus also makes retro digital cameras. I’m happy that Nikon is releasing a camera with dedicated dials that is full-featured and not dumbed down. I hope Panasonic, Canon, and Sony follow.

[@davidaltizer]

thank you for the clarification. i was talking based on memory and not research. i do remember that R-D1. didn't it have the same sensor as the M8? i really hope more companies make true retro-modern cameras. it would boost sales for sure and give a reason to get a camera vs. phone thanks for your comment!

[@raksh9]

​@@davidaltizerThe RD1 had the same CCD sensor as the Nikon D100, but with its own twist on colour. The RD1 was released in 2004 and had very strong support in niche circles.

[@davidaltizer]

Amazing! Thank you

[@sdhute]

Good job on this video trying to decide if I’m keeping the ZF

[@D.Trider]

Why wouldn’t you!?

[@sdhute]

@@D.Trider I mainly walk around doing street photography. The other z’s have better handling. However going to take it out today

[@LucasRocksFilms]

have you seen the pixii camera?

[@davidaltizer]

Yes I have! I’ve been dying to try one out

[@travisruskin2024]

If Canon could also bring film simulations too. That would be great.

[@rigo.garcia]

I really hope so.

[@davidaltizer]

Would be awesome wouldn’t it?

[@devinbrines]

Is there any way you could request for Nikon to add 5:4 aspect ratio? There isn't a way for the public to do so. Maybe you have the ability

[@demetrio3d239]

Nikon tried this already with the Nikon Df and ZFc. I also wish Canon does something similar, since I already have a few Canon Glass.

[@johnlocke8389]

Great video. But I do feel a bit skeptical about your "lens balance" theory. I suspect that light physics, in general, dictate where the lens designers at Nikon place the elements when they design a new lens. Are you able to support your theory with any documentation from Nikon?

[@davidaltizer]

Tried to find any interviews about the topic but I can’t find it. It was a conversation I had with a Nikon rep in 2018 at a booth! So take with a grain of salt

[@brendandivall6017]

Off to a bad start, I'm afraid. Have you not seen Olympus' digital cameras? OM-D Em-10's & 5's are as angular as the old OM film cameras. And for really retro looking, try the Pen-F

[@kevinreyes6778]

I am torn between this and the s5iix, in PH the s5iix body more expensive than the zf with 40 mm kit

[@haramlee83]

X100v fact : they are still making the camera for ppl who is in waiting list. I visited Japan last year and asked Fujifilm staff abd they told me waiting time is currently 1 year lol

[@-AtomsPhere-]

Why did Fuji stop production on X100v’s when the only problem was that “they couldn’t fill all the orders” That just makes no sense to me! Especially these days when the camera market is so niche. If they had a hit, they should kept making more, no? Selling out every new batch is the best problem for a business to have, no?

[@KONDORBLUE]

Should we make a retro… cage for it? 🤔

[@davidaltizer]

only if it's made of brass

[@Kiywii]

And a cage for the Z8 please!

[@weiyang6417]

I hope this camera becomes a success and Nikon releases a FF rangefinder. I can only dream of this day.

[@Skux720]

The camera looks fantastic, but a retro system needs retro lenses. Right now the only native retro-styled lenses are the 28mm and 40mm. Using the FTZ adapter to mount older AI lenses looks clunky and goes against the aesthetic.

[@domtomas1178]

yep, and they need aperture rings on these lenses. Otherwise the whole thing is only half way there.

[@LarsSteenhoff]

I wish it had NRAW for video, that would make it the perfect camera

[@marcia1101]

I want a modern DSLR camera instead of mirrorless. But look like old câmera.

[@99Apit]

Canon should do it , make the retro mirrorless , call it Canon RE-1

[@deejayiwan7]

M8 was not the first, it was R1Ds...

[@sidvicious3129]

If Canon did do something like this after the AE1 program and added internal film stock along with film stock being added to the internals of the ZF and ZFC, there really would be no reason to buy a retro Fuji and this could seriously damage a Fuji sales for XT5 on down. Fuji would have no answer for this as they aren’t going to enter the full frame game. If Nikon takes this next step to add that film stock internally, this ZF could be their best selling camera, outselling the Z8 and Z9, especially while possessing some of those cameras features but at a much lower price. For all intense purposes this is a Z6 III without a battery grip capability. Nikon brought their A game here with the ZF.

[@highlander200107]

I would prefer an RF version of the F1 over the AE1

[@AlexParker-zg9hp]

Why not a SILVER option ??? !!! 🥴

[@illegalmindset4122]

Epson rd 1 first mirrorless

[@thedarkslide]

0:27 Not true. Olympus had the Olympus Pen F Micro Four Thirds camera and you could argue that all of the Olympus line-up in the OMD and Pen series were retro cameras to a large part, starting with the E-P1 and the later the E-M5. Pentax had the MX-1 which had a BRASS body. Nikon had the Df. And what is retro really? Canon's design language was created by star designer Luigi Colani dates back to the first EOS cameras in the early 90s, more than 30 years ago - that's retro. Cabon still uses that design language.

[@outdoorlife_nature]

Flippy screen is a compromise

[@Cornerfield00]

No. The next one would be a Nikon Z sp!!

[@AnandaGarden]

Nikon, why a hump? Learn from history. The Fuji E-line cameras were great fun to use. The Hephalumpus X-T20 was half as fun and got between people. Please, Canikonsoniconysonic, stop humping around and give us a humpless beauty; we want a dolphin, not a camel.

[@markrufin8084]

Nikon DF release ABOUT 10 years ago?nikon is not new about retro style

[@chloescanlon1107]

That damn side hinged flippy, flappy, take forever rear screen though. What were Nikon thinking 🙄

[@davidaltizer]

you're not a fan? as a video person i prefer it... but i understand if as a photographer you hate it

[@hellatightdude]

Why do people not like this screen? I had a X-T4 and I never understood the hate

[@adrianprisacariu9699]

Canon F1 retro digital camera, low iso( 12 - 120.000),24mpx, NO lcd, 😛

[@ricohflex777]

This Nikon ZF will KILL the Fuji XT market. Nikon shows that it can do Retro better than Fuji. Who wants APS-C (Fuji XT) when they can get Full Frame (Nikon ZF)? This is the Fatal Error made by Fuji for refusing to go into Full Frame sensor cameras for the Longest Time. (Many years). Now Nikon punished Fuji for this pig-headedness.

[@davidaltizer]

those are some fighting words!

[@CameraCombo]

The only problem I see with this camera is that it's way overpriced in Europe at 2499 euros (body only).

[@2424rocket]

Anybody ever tell you that you ramble on and on and on… Talking about Sony color. If you learn Photoshop for stills and you learn da Vinci resolve for video, I can make any photo any video look any color I wanted it to look like. There’s no limitations, especially if you’re shooting Log! I agree with you the new Nikon camera looks cool… Pretty cannot be nearly as important as image quality.

[@carlmcneill1139]

I think half the Leica owners are camera snobs that own one so they can say, "Hey look at me. I own a Leica." I really don't think they're as good as what they sell for. I'm not saying they make bad cameras. I think you're just paying for the name. There's one thing Fugi has over Canon and Nikon and that's apsc glass. Since most of their cameras are crop sensor cameras, they have top notch glass you you with them. That's not necessarily true for Canon and Nikon. Their crop sensor cameras are mostly starter cameras. That lenses are cheaper. Nikon has a 16-50 z lens that's the equivalent focal length of a 24-70 but it's not an f/2.8 lens. Neither brands make equivalent focal length lenses to the full frame lenses. And the quality of those lenses isn't as good as the higher end glass. But Nikon is in a good position here with the zf. A lot of street photographers like the feel of these retro bodies but don't like a crop sensor like the Fuji cameras. That's why they don't want a zfc. Nikon doesn't have a large selection of DX lenses either. And this zf is not just a plain stuck camera that fits a niche. This camera has the latest tech inside. The one thing it doesn't have is a blackout free experience in burst mode. They pulled out all the stops for this camera. It makes me wonder what will be in the z6 III when it comes out.

[@alchapel]

Nikon zfc just crying as it’s potential fame gets stolen by the zf

[@nyanyamero]

Kinda disappointed with fuji, did they even try to increase their production of cameras with all the profit they got from them. If they wouldn't do it somebody will and nikon will probably not be the last one to do that, Fuji's stubbornness will be their downfall.

[@johnlocke8389]

In my opinion, one of the key differences between Nikon and Canon, is that modern Canon camera bodies are fairly beautiful, or at lest several of them are, while all of Nikon's modern Z cameras are quite ugly (with the exception of the Zfc and the new Zf). There was good reason for Nikon to change things up. I mean I really agree with your point that people like beautiful things, such as cars, computers, furniture --even food. Obviously. But Nikon has been making incredibly ugly cameras ever since they went mirrorless. If you put a standard "pentaprism" onto the Z9, it looks 100x better. I always buy top of the line in cameras, but I refuse to buy anything as ugly as a Z9. But all they would have to do is take the "pentaprism" from the Zf and put it on the Z9. It makes a huge difference! It turns it into a beautiful Nikon again, with all the high-end specs to boot.

[@davidaltizer]

Fair point! I do think of all the modern cameras canons are the best looking. You’re right. Sony does that and it helps but for some reason their cameras are ugly as sin.

[@Getoffmycloud53]

Canon has never looked back, their design philosophy and UI approach are simply incompatible with retro styling. Nikon has played with retro, with their Df. Canon will not go retro. Fujifilm has found a niche, let’s see if Nikon will succeed with the Zf (the Df was not a success, is the Zfc a success?), keeping in mind that their main bodies are not retro. Leica is an extreme niche. Context - I have a Fujifilm XE2, XPro2, XT2 (I am on the market for a XT5/Xpro4) and Nikon Df (amongst other Nikon and Canon DSLRs). I have pre-ordered a Nikon Zf. But I don’t think it will be a success for Nikon, because there no real retro lenses for the Z system, so it is only half the equation. Also the majority of pros don’t like retro, think of it as a gimmick, so it will be a niche for a relatively more prosumer market, which will limit sales. Canon will not even try retro, apart from some styling elements on a compact.

[@Getoffmycloud53]

Ps Nikon has already handicapped the Zf by not including a back AF button and joystick. Why limit yourself, Fujifilm doesn’t…

[@FA333568]

but the Canon RF lens are all too big to be fitted on a future retro canon, the size of the RF lens looked stupid & the weight is like you hold a dumbbell at Jupiter, stupid look & design.

[@davidaltizer]

good point. they would have to make some retro glass to go with it

[@domtomas1178]

yeah like most of the Z lenses unfortunately. And non of them have aperture rings. Neither do the RF or EF lenses. Now if Sony made a retro body, they at least have some lenses with aperture rings.

[@7RQ89]

Nikon should be pronounced correctly as Neekon.

[@stephanweiskorn6760]

This camera is just a hoax. Buy a Sony alpha 7 lll. Same price range but much better. Fujifilm X5 is better. Also available in silver! Nikon xf battery is terrible. Micro SD memory is a joke.

[@user-zw4iy1rt8k]

At first I was interested in this Nikon ZF camera because of its being full frame and the tactile dials. However, this camera has ergonomic issue, making it difficult to hold the camera, especially when it is paired with a heavy zoom lens.

[@aristoioannidis7490]

I believe Canon missed the boat on this one. Should they produce a retro version of the F1 and or AE1 and can take FD glass, we may have something.

[@RhettAnderson]

If they make it an RF mount, you'd just use your FD glass on an adapter like you can with any mirrorless camera.

[@marilinfykes7558]

🌷 "promo sm"

[@klarion]

Art9fphotography NEVER met a product they didn't LOVE... for you to buy

[@davidaltizer]

He’s very enthusiastic! I love that guy!