Vegan vs Meat Protein | Which is REALLY Better For Building Muscle? Feat. Simon Hill

[@nik54610]

Nimai is the ultimate inspiration for vegans who are into body building❤

[@mikeskylark1594]

WORD

[@longevitycoach1573]

He should invite ex vegans and proof show them how healthy veganism is, there 4 not longer vegans for each vegan out there. DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

[@brandonyoung4910]

@@longevitycoach1573 no lol

[@VegaNorm79]

​Nothing to understand amigo but the pure science and plenty of vegan bodybuilders who will likely outlive you

[@btmg]

He indeed is.

[@leannegabriel]

Thank you for addressing the "incomplete protein" issue. For years, I wanted to change my diet but my former trainer told me that it would be incomplete and I couldn't achieve my goals. I am so glad that I made the change to plant based and would have love to have seen this video years ago. You will help a lot of people with this content!

[@doddsalfa]

The only incomplete protein is gelatine

[@respectkindness-oj6xz]

noticeably men promoted that idea, many women i encountered were more knowledgeable about plantbased nutrition

[@DrReginaldFinleySr]

I've been vegan since 2016. Pushing 50. I can do 130 pushups, military-style non-stop. Sometimes I want to yell, "Unlimited Power!!" as I'm knocking them out. lol. Vegan power baby!

[@partlysimpson5154]

Wow... But u were active before too?

[@sigmachadtrillioniare6372]

U could've done more on a meat diet

[@anticarnistvegan]

​@@sigmachadtrillioniare6372could you do more than him? Post videos

[@edgbarra]

That's amazing! I haven't tried yelling but it may feel good too haha

[@coltanbabz5569]

​@@anticarnistveganNo problem. Get him to post a video doing however many he does.. I'll post one doing more 👌👍

[@VeganGorilla555]

I've been Vegan for 13 years now. I never had to worry about amino acids and what not. I' 53 now and very healthy.

[@fairwearth690]

I just saw you on You Are What You Eat. Great job coaching the twins on nutrition and exercise; I was really excited to see your role on the documentary! I'm not a bodybuilder by any means, but I will check out your videos as I am getting older and need to build more muscle. I follow your buddy Derek Simnett here in Canada and am interested in your high protein recipes & exercises to help me build more upper body strength and reduce my chronic pain. Thank you for dispelling myths about veganism and spreading the truth!

[@VegaNorm79]

Complete respect for educating our meat-eating (I was one for 38 years before going vegetarian and now finally vegan) ostriches on the benefits of plant power when you do your research. And as 'Simon says' himself it reduces biomarkers for disease, it's better for the environment and better for animals who have no choice in our sometimes unthinking dietary appetites. Good job for trying to wake certain people up!

[@mujarice]

Not a body builder but I love your videos, especially this one with Simon. Switched to a plant based diet for longevity and disease prevention 4 years ago with a focus on dementia prevention. Not only have I experienced zero downsides, I feel that I have thrived on a balanced plant based diet. Great job being a voice to help expose some myths that have been plaguing the food industry. I can also fully recommend Dr. Michael Greger and his research... if anyone hasn't heard of him.

[@edgbarra]

Nice!

[@silberwald5469]

I went vegan one year ago and I still build muscles and feel better than ever before. My skin is also looking so much better now.

[@rickross4241]

Not smart

[@xindaxoxou7431]

@@rickross4241 No fiber, sat fat and heme iron is not smart. These are nutrients that are in animal products, especially cow corpse.

[@FURYBrenton]

@@rickross4241Says the not smart.

[@symone3113]

@@FURYBrenton😂😂

[@DerHarlekin98]

Yeah I had acne on my shoulders which slowly disappeared over months when I turned vegan

[@hardcorevegan2580]

I've been lifting since Sep. 2012 & been vegan since Sep. 2014; I agree with you especially with the recovery aspect😏.

[@jonathanbarnett3820]

This was great. I started my vegan journey because of afib. I think it is improving my life and helping me to build muscle. Thank you for sharing this information. Now for the animals. So now have answer when people say to me can get enough protein as a vegan. I want to show this video to everyone...

[@sonja4164]

How has eating plant based helped with afib?

[@vegan-rising]

bananas & dark chocolate for afib

[@autochton-7]

@@vegan-rising what does 🍌 and 🍫 do?

[@Oogahboogah1497]

@@vegan-risingpotassium and vasodilation?

[@beanburrito8903]

You dont have to combine any food. Just eat plant based. More greens and fruit and vegetables have all amino acids.

[@Gronkiy]

You should focus on getting some protein sources and adequate protein like soy and legumes

[@edgbarra]

When they say combine they mean eating a variety of plants

[@respectkindness-oj6xz]

​​@@Gronkiyeven several types of whole grains have more than 10% calories from protein, nuts also, vegetables too

[@justicericketts2912]

If you two wanted to collab for a video every week or every month that would be okay you know 😅😅😅😅 two of my absolute favorites! Thank you for another video!

[@kramkalisthenics]

Love it how Nimai looks far more fit than everyone who answered "animal protein". LOL

[@sonja4164]

😂

[@Daren_PNW]

and technically even _if_ both looked ripped, _one_ has less optimal interior 😅

[@robz.3225]

Simon too

[@mosesacevedo]

Most people don't look like they even lift. Take for instance your photo. I think most people are smart enough to realize that quality of protein isn't the only thing that matters, it's also how nutrient dense a protein source is. Animal protein is simply more efficient.

[@Daren_PNW]

@@mosesacevedo more efficient?

[@ssh__778]

I haven’t seen your videos in a while, I love this video. Thank you for the effort and info you put out. You always seem to be be really sharp ,well spoken , and very thoughtful when sharing info and we really appreciate your work

[@davidrobinson1201]

Nimai along with being well spoken is soft spoken and kind which are great qualities.

[@red_rose_redemption]

Really enjoying your new video format, I’ve been vegan since I was 12. Im 28 now and I was also born vegetarian like you!

[@Ermude10]

8:40 I think this is so important and something that's not commonly spoken about; what's optimal for health holistically, but also effective for building strength/muscle? If you think about your health long term, plant-based protein sources (WFPB or Mediterranean diets low on meat) have significantly better long term health outcomes. And although it's hard to quantify in the studies, but these outcomes also contribute to significantly better quality of life. It's easy to miss the forest for the trees when you start looking at your short term gains.

[@carnismiscancer2108]

Nimai looks 100% better than anyone on the carnivore diet

[@andreabellini6796]

@@carolinetheherbalistWill T is not on a carnivore diet. He actually eats a lot of vegetables and vegan products too.

[@gardenbliss6638]

@@carolinetheherbalist the point is that one can look jacked and be strong without increasing the risk of diseases by eating plant-based. The main thing for me is that Nimai is a kind soul. Like Patrick Baboumian. Look how gorillas are pure muscle but they are gentle giants because they eat leafy greens. Gorillas don't eat adrenaline.

[@EmeseVida]

@@carolinetheherbalist why did you give up veganism?

[@longevitycoach1573]

@@pastagoat what? Do you get tooth decay from flesh or plants? Even your brain needs meat to build new neurons. Why do you think vegans MUST to supplement B12? How can vegan be that STUPID?

[@xindaxoxou7431]

Just 100%? You are being conservative.

[@mikeskylark1594]

Another great video! Simon Hill is such a cool dude (knowledgable AND muscular AF)!

[@valz7223]

I recently went vegan only about three weeks in now, but I feel so much better mentally physically spiritually and emotionally definitely sticking to this way of eating. Thank you for this video as well peace and love to you brother.

[@northcarolina7742]

What’s your meal plan?

[@Marine_Veteran_Vegan_Gamer]

Let's go. Protein is Protein, the source doesn't matter. Well, animal Protein matters to the animal.

[@panflutetoth9395]

The question the video asked was which is better for muscle building, the answer to that is clear, even the FDA whose food pyramid is ridiculously loaded with plants, says animal proteins are vastly superior in bio availability and amino acid profile compared to plants. Their own chart shows all animal foods on the top of the list ,and all plant foods way behind. The best plant protein is soy, lol....much farther down is mung beans then farther down yet is peas.....yummy. No amount of bro science or coping will change the answer to the original question.

[@clickbaitpro]

@@henryg3313 That's just a false belief. You already shortening your lifespan based on that belief itself and also harming the planet because 2/3rd land is used to feed those animals.

[@clickbaitpro]

@@panflutetoth9395 Didn't he just said animal proteins are superior in isolation and comparable in variety and cooking the variety of plant protein yields to similar results without any funky diseases and without premature death

[@rickyl9540]

@@clickbaitpro Yes he did!

[@scienceislove2014]

​@@henryg3313you don't live in "nature".. and only body builders need protein supplements... And yes even non vegan take protein supplements.. Lower bioavailability doesn't mean no bioavailability or that you can't absorb protein.. That just means that you should eat a Lil more protein on a plant based diet than on an animal based diet.. Animal protein is NOT HEALTHY.. Especially the ones that come from terrestrial animals.. it's okay to eat some meat but meat was never a health food... And will never be one.. wanna eat meat.. eat all you want... There's no stopping you but that ain't changing the fact that animal protein is bad for the overall health.. why point at a specific macro nutrient when meat as a whole is already really bad.. And cooked plant protein is good and more bioavailable.. and yes it works even without supplementation.. it has worked ... Also..not everyone wants to build a huge amount of muscle..and no muscular guys aren't always the healthier ones.. I'm 18 year old female 6 feet tall...i go to gym 4 times a week to do weight training ...i am fit ... I'm not huge but I'm fit! I feel amazing and I look amazing.. and i eat completely plant based!

[@Joseph1NJ]

I just learned how well tempeh and tofu freeze, and now I'm never out of either.

[@Bobbiloff]

I recommend getting a tofu press and thaw then refreeze and thaw again. You’ll get a nice thicker texture in the tofu. Good way to mix it up and amazing to do fried ”chicken” but just use the tofu instead.

[@Joseph1NJ]

@@Bobbiloff Hey thanks for the tips. I actually did buy a tofu press, and use it after thawing.

[@Acunza]

As the good man shared that all plants contain the essential amino acids for the body to make protein with. Following a highly recommended book called the 80 10 10 diet that explores humans as being Frugivore by design, I have been building muscle for 2.5 years on fruits. I figured if our closest ape relatives can, so can I...and am. Best shape of my life being achieved on fruits!

[@robinsmit1632]

With all due respect i wouldn't recommend taking advice from Doug Graham. He's a charlatan who promotes dangerous fasting practices and with complete disregard put someone in the hospital at one of his retreats.

[@FlockoftheGreyShepherd]

The longevity benefits of a plant based diet are well known and studied but I was always concerned I would lose my hard earned muscle. You've got me thinking about making the switch.

[@eatthebugs-ge9sm]

Bioavailable nutrients missing in a vegan diet only found in animal products Vitamin A, B6, (Pyridoxal, pyridoxamine) B12, D, F, K2 Amino Acids > Creatine, Carinitine, Carnosine, Taurine Essential fatty acids EPA & DHA. Dietary cholesterol. Zinc. Heme-iron, CoQ10, CLA

[@petrawhitmore4751]

Great info in a short video. It’s pretty obvious that if people are worried about making “gains” in the gym then they just have to look at you two and realise if their diet is on point, then there’s no worries. Simon, love the haircut 👌

[@Maxinfamilyy]

Thank you so much for this video! And for helping to get rid of the "animal protein dogma"! The studies that point to 1.6-2g/kg usually don't account for the period the body needs to adjust to a lower amount of protein per kg. Well designed studies that take that into account observe no difference between 0.8 and 1.6 or 2. Don't just take my word for it and have a look at it when you have :) Other than that, this is a very well put video! Thanks again!

[@deliriumproducciones]

Great concise video. Love Simon's conclusion about health, and his integral view of protein as a whole: In our bodies, the enviroment and compassion towards animals.

[@Keralite29]

Nimai has a wide clavicle width, which really helps his physique stand out compared to someone with the same amount of muscle mass but average or below-average clavicle width. It's cool to see it, because most guys who are into bodybuilding have average clavicle width but still appear to have a broad frame due to their deltoid, trap and lat size - whereas Nimai has those factors, but having wide clavicles on top of that gives his physique an edge.

[@andrewwitkins5286]

Great vid! This topic really deserves more attention and a change of old narratives.

[@sonja4164]

I agree. There are somany fitness professionals that I generally respect, who are still telling their audiences/clients that animal protein is better *AND* advising high protein.

[@maximilianomoretto258]

I'm glad that someone like you is spreading good information without being extremist or judgmental. Keep on doing the hard work, maybe even try to reach out to Arnold to promote plant base diet

[@martinfernandez882]

defending animals isn't extreme, never will be. History will shine favorably upon today's "militant" vegan activists.

[@EmeseVida]

@@martinfernandez882 so true

[@bryant475]

Arnold kind of did in the Game Changers documentary :)

[@autochton-7]

Very informative I am gonna follow a lacto-ovo vegetarian/vegan mostly plant based meal plan.

[@hawkeye3902]

Very informative. One thing I learned is that inner peace starts on your plate. Animals transfer their energy when you consume them. If they were treated unwell as most animal products these days are, then you are consuming that toxic energy. Great video. Thank you

[@anthonychanning3954]

I agree 100%

[@Nathan-tp5fc]

Agreed

[@matrig6]

Great video! Thank you both so much for clarifying the difference between "complete" and "incomplete" proteins, and for the reassurance that as long as I eat an adequate amount AND a diverse array of plants, I don't need to worry much about combining foods in certain ways to get enough of every essential amino acid.

[@mariahstrong9115]

Loved this video! Gained some knowledge and key points to discuss with those who refuse to think you can still have gains being vegan or vegetarian. We are living and breathing examples! 💪🏾

[@-johnny-deep-]

Good explanation! Where did you get that nice bar chart showing the 9 essential acids in various plant and animal foods? Also, what's the source of the 1.6-2.0 g/kg protein recommendation? That seems high to me.

[@829RAGHAV]

Thank you so much for such valuable information. Great work.

[@KrackerJack5586]

Agree 💯 switched to plant base many moons ago and feel fantastic 🎉

[@DynamCast]

Now this is a great video! Straight to the point, showed barely any bias. Some questions that made me think if athletes really should be doing plant base diets based on bioavailability on food if suboptimal, now I think have been answered!

[@zenchi8036]

I am vegan 8 years, love this channel. Anyone have input on the carnivore diet? People who do it says it makes huge shifts in their health.

[@RomeTWguy]

Yeah its bc they lose a lot of weight due to being in a deficit (meat is satiating)

[@manofthenooch9910]

Yoooo I've been vegan for years have been in and out of the gym - bad sleep hygiene as well ; haven't made many gains. I'm now 29 and am almost done with my Bachelor's degree in Nutrition Science to become a Dietitian(Nutritionist). Will get my master's degree as well. Super stoked about discovering Simon Hill, also stoked about hearing the bioavailability difference being 10% at the very most between plant and animal proteins. I didn't believe the bioavailability difference numbers taught in my program, glad I was right. Dope content Nimai

[@KennyPaulSmith]

This is a REALLY terrific episode! Thank you.

[@mistybirdbush]

Can’t wait to hear you speak at vegan camp out in November. Wish Simon Hill was also going to be there

[@peterkempf5422]

Great interview, thanks guys.

[@janetatuniquerawfoods2361]

After watching this… it’s good to hear. I didn’t want to watch it at first… for just Another divided world of vegan vs meat. I’m vegan for decades now. The battle about it in society is tough though. Fact is… eating animals and products just to gain more muscle… is greed. Especially since it goes into Excess. This is greed. People don’t need that much if at all of animal flesh. Flip side… even vegan loading up or excess can fall to this greed too. It’s a fine line with purpose, vanity and true gratitude, health and , beauty. I lift too. My experience with weight resistant training in my teens until now… has helped accelerate healing from chronic illness. Thanks again guys. It was easy to listen to and enjoyable to watch.

[@mleeko2]

Great video Nimai! This is exactly what I wanted learn about.

[@BeyondaThought]

Now to try and make my friends watch this video. The true challenge!

[@maricarmencastillosantiago7738]

Nimai, I am your new fan !!!! I'm vegetarian but just found you in a documentary on Netflix and I told myself "I don't need any animal product to get in shape". You are my inspirations, so far I like what you do and I have a big question. You consume around 150gr of protein each day. How do you track this ? How can I track my protein intake by eating rice, beans and tofu? I think it would be very helpful to make a video about this. Thanks !!!!! ❤

[@ashk1988]

This was a great video. I thought it was going to be a little biased but actually you discussed the points really well. Found your channel after watching the netflix documentary.

[@vincentgrueter7759]

Two studs right here. Love the way you boys are representing the vegan body building community

[@zeroveda]

Great video! Very informative.

[@thomasray8164]

This was awesome, Bro. I’ve moved to 100% Plant Based. This was incredible.

[@rachelgoodkind6545]

Thank you for sharing. You vegan males have it all, COMPASSION and STRENGTH. You rock and are an inspuration to others. Me, whole food vegan over 26 years.

[@Miechoman]

Thanks to such people we are aware that it is possible to live, eat and live better and easier!!!

[@EzraMsic]

Great video! Very informative🙏🏾💪🏿

[@JourneyJoe]

Hell yea man! Been loving how much you’re posting!

[@gavinbrinck]

thanks y'all. got any info on protein powders ? best tips for achieving enough protein ?

[@christineyoung6620]

Very helpful! Thank you

[@humble_integrity]

great stuff nimai!!

[@slasher298]

These veganism vids lately have been next level! Best I've ever seen.

[@zentzu4003]

there are studies that show there is less amino acids in the blood when using plant based protien compared to whey

[@letransformateur6477]

Simon Hill is also pretty jacked! But yeah, thanks for educating us :)

[@barnadeep_das]

Recovered from Hodgkin Lymphoma (cancer) turn truly fully into vegetarian, i can see the noticeable changes. Sir I followed you since 6 months and if you can build that kind of physique I'll definitely, i fought a battle and i know how vegetarian foods keep my body energetic. Much love ❤❤❤ ~hare krishna~ peace ✌️

[@tgomes1997]

God bless you 🕊

[@xindaxoxou7431]

Vegetarian or vegan? There is a difference. One is the opposite of veganism.

[@therehastobesomethingmoore]

Gorillas, Rhinos, and elephants seem to pack on muscle pretty well, eating plants.

[@Gronkiy]

As a vegan I love this video but you cannot compare gorillas and rhinos to humans, they will digest foods in different ways

[@therehastobesomethingmoore]

@@Gronkiy Ok, then look at all of the Vegan bodybuilders and strongmen

[@Gronkiy]

@@therehastobesomethingmoore I know you can eat plants and gain muscle, but gorillas will still digest plants differently to a human, and can absorb different nutrients

[@therehastobesomethingmoore]

@supersonicdiesel4836 Ok, then look at Vegan bodybuilders and strongmen

[@tobilemoine9604]

Great video, the workout was almost a bit distracting, but that's information made simple that we can share, so mission accomplished!

[@misticq]

This is really good information 👍. thank you

[@a1guerra3]

Super helpful, to the point and fun to watch. Thanks!!

[@andreabuscaino9443]

What about creatine, we can only take from sintetic one ?

[@OfficialXeuphoria]

Keep the great vids coming Nimai ❤

[@robz.3225]

I worked out there in the mid 80s. Glad to see its still the Mecca. I had a few workouts of Worlds Gym. Lou Ferrigno was there both times. Wish I still had those sweat shirts.

[@beanburrito8903]

You can build muscle with literally on greens. Brooke goldner's husband is super muscular and is mainly raw vegan. And many others

[@axelschura]

YEEEE SIMON! Really enjoyed this one!

[@HawaiianAnimator]

one of the best videos about plant based proteins! thank you

[@benamitchell]

Love this new style of video Nimai!

[@lindsaytoussaint]

My major takeaway is that Simon is 🦆ing yolked! 😂 I’m trying to get like y’all! 💪🏾

[@OcraMedHealth]

Just watched this video. Excellent job!

[@MorenoJSK]

Really like this vid what a great job brotha 💪 💪

[@Alaskaventureswithbrodie]

I hope you told all of them you were vegan after the question. Love Simon! ❤

[@xarvizbedelia]

This should be required viewing for anyone interested in building muscle on a vegan / vegetarian diet. Answers all the questions needed to erase doubt and embrace a healthier lifestyle for longevity.

[@kimberlysadberry6757]

are there any superior plant proteins or are they all pretty much equal? I mostly eat chickpeas and black beans and will occasionally eat lentils and soy.

[@lakehuron7733]

Really interesting video-thank you! Just to keep things on the same plain--title needs to be “plant vs animal protein” as this emphasizes the dietary classification or “Veganism-based diet vs Carnism-based diet” which highlights the ideological differences.

[@Charlotte-ti2yk]

I agree with this. I’m not vegan, not even vegetarian, but pescatarian. Or maybe there’s another name for what I am that I don’t know. Flexitarian? I only say pescatarian because I eat salmon very infrequently. Maybe once a month, maybe even less. I’d say 90% of my diet is either vegan or nearly vegan (I don’t always look at labels to check for animal by-products, but do check for gelatine). I get most of my protein most of the time from tofu, tempeh or beans and lentils, and as someone who does randomly eat salmon or eggs, I can’t say I notice a difference when I do. I don’t feel better on days I eat salmon, and I also don’t feel worse.

[@stumckhall]

What do you all think about Dr. Gregors recent discussion about super high igf1 levels caused by soy protein consumption? As a long term vegan lifter I prefer legumes and think they are healthier and that there are some issues with soy…

[@Olympic_TryAthlete]

Just curious, but if going carnivore and using so much protein for energy, are the byproducts of breaking that protein down for energy still in the form of amino acids that can be used to build proteins? If not, then why not just get energy from plant based carbs and save the protein for building muscle and healing?

[@bluelagoon5]

Keep crushing it Nimai💪

[@Daniellewellnesscoach]

I have soooooo much interest in going more plant-based.... I am trying to navigate this in a household with a very picky, meat and potatoes spouse. I was a vegetarian for some time and I DO NOT enjoy tofu so also working on figuring out what a plant-based lifestyle would look like without that. Any ideas or help would be very welcomed!

[@nicolebeck1269]

I need a beginners food staples to get for protein. Any suggestions l? I hate to cook also , lol. But if I can like easy prep ahead it’s ok. I can’t do animal products anymore. I’m not ok ethically with it.

[@mareezy]

1.6 g/kg of protein. I'm a 160lbs female. So I need more than 100g of protein daily?

[@PurePlantHealth]

Greetings, I have faithfully followed your channel for several years and have been a vegan for the past four years. I truly admire your content. I want to take this moment to convey my heartfelt appreciation for the fantastic content you create. Over the last few weeks, I've been contemplating how I can contribute more to the vegan community. As a result, I recently launched my own KZbin channel, @PurePlantHealth I am deeply grateful for the inspiration and guidance you've provided. Thank you immensely. Jaro

[@kaylalalaroo]

Please consider posting references and studies mentioned in this video! ❤

[@VudrokWolf]

I take 99% of my protein from plants and I feel amazing, just a very important clarification the protein intake is related to your lean muscle mass not your body weight.

[@aniv8969]

参考になる動画をありがとうございます!

[@strider_hiryu850]

8:43 "there's more to health then getting... jacked" HERESY!!!

[@veganaktivisten]

Thanks for a great video, interesting stuff!

[@lyolkinurusov656]

What about intermittent fasting and performance in sports? Can distribute all my nutrition in two meals a day as a vegan and still see gains and increased agility?

[@AngieMeadKing]

Awesome info

[@imhassane]

I went vegan two months ago and right now I’m struggling to eat 😂 I thought I’d be hungry all the time being vegan but no, I just don’t care anymore about eating 5 times a day to build muscles. I get around 130g of protein in three meals and that’s enough and I haven’t yet noticed any strength gain taking longer than when I was on low carb and recovery is way better.

[@PlusUltraVitality]

Going vegan increases fiber in the diet, usually, but a lot! So it's very satiating and as your body and microbiome adapts your appetite will definitely come back. Tons of fermented foods, (saurkraut, kitchen, yogurt) also goes a long way, my appetite has returned full force after 7 years Vegan and I love it 😁

[@imhassane]

@@PlusUltraVitality yes I agree with the fiber thing. When I started I thought it would be difficult to get the 38g of fiber recommended but now according to Cronometer I always get around 70g of fiber daily and I love it.

[@clickbaitpro]

Some people notice withdrawals just like you quit some kid of addiction but when your body gets over the transition, you'll notice the similar gains

[@LisaCulton]

Superior is what works best for Y-O-U. Animal protein and fat is what works best for me and my son.

[@zacharydokey2562]

Inspiring!!

[@mariohashiba1500]

Based af! For some reason, I never thought about that 3:00. That's a good point.

[@lisakirkby1727]

Great video!! It’s always great to hear the science so you can better explain it when confronted.

[@chanda-aime6388]

What do you eat when you can’t have gluten or soy?