Ninebot MAX Electric Scooter Range Test(s) & Rain Test Compilation

[@yogadude1234]

I can’t believe you did all that driving in the rain! I won’t let my scooters get wet at all LOL. Great video a real range review.

[@GingerOnWheels]

Thanks man! It was definitely a chore but we don't sugar coat reviews here. 😜

[@natiman5850]

he is. doing for the. science lol

[@mustardpikachu3597]

Eletric Scooter Academy 👁️👄👁️

[@hi-tych]

I ride my boosted rev and the rain with no issues.. now my kaabo mantis pro died a few minutes in the rain. Lol

[@BlackDaddy]

@@mustardpikachu3597 you and that picture...I can't escape you. 2nd you tuber who does scooters and I've seen you.

[@jj-dl5wd]

Thanks for showing us these real world range tests! Here is for walking it home. 🍻

[@GingerOnWheels]

Much appreciated.

[@electricwheels411]

Thank you very much for that amazing effort and weather you went through to show us the range on all 3 modes. I salute you Sir

[@GingerOnWheels]

Thanks for taking the time to watch. Someone had to do it, for science!

[@londonboyz9218]

This what you want a video with full explanation to every detail saves me having watch another 30 vids smashed it mate 🥊

[@imeprezime9098]

Eco Mode 27.0 mi = 43.4 km "D" Mode 19.8 mi = 31.9 km "S" Mode 16.3 mi = 26.2 km

[@jvinsnes]

Legend

[@ShenalPerera]

❤️

[@winniepeg2020]

Look at inmotion S1 range test Similar price scooter

[@johnweak6788]

You stealing views from creator, good job 👏

[@salpertia]

@@johnweak6788 cry about it

[@Ifalvarado]

This is what I like, direct info on range. Keep up the good work

[@ckaminsk]

Great video and #realworld testing!! I own 2 MAX G30 (first as an IGG backer when they were first released in September; second on Amazon Christmas sale... bought both $599/ea). Last weekend I passed 1,300miles on one and 300miles on the other. I have no complaints except for slow-leaky-tires (which Armor-Dilloz slime solved). One may have rusted-bearings from riding (err "submarining") through puddles but it hasn't hurt its top-speed nor range. At 5'9" 150lbs my longest single-ride was 28.4miles in [D]rive & [E]co mixed (but that was BATT 98% > 2% .. so wasn't fully-charged to start nor completely drained once I got home). I cannot give this scooter enough praise! It has exceeded all my expectations (except for being heavy.. however both of them can fit/folded into my MINI COOPER... so yeah #WinWin). I only wish the yellow US-spec G30 had the same "blue lever" eBrake on the left-handle that the blue German(?) G30D does... I would prefer having thumb control of KERS rather than just the 3-settings (Weak|Medium|Strong) via the app.

[@GingerOnWheels]

28 miles while using D mode at all is pretty impressive range. I'm always astonished by how much weight and wind resistance can put a dent in speed and range. That's a nice little mini endorsement for the MAX, thanks for the comment!

[@juliantitov6354]

I rode 26 miles in sport mode today in fairly flat terrain.

[@judyr.4825]

I considered getting the es4 for the solid tires but ran into reviews about control board shutting the scoot down and plagued w error codes. :( was looking at e twow and hero x8 for a mid level scoot.

[@XxgunOo]

Great man! You are the first one to do such a comprehensive test, especially underwater. That's impressive!!

[@00_itachi25]

no this guy threw his g30 in water LOL

[@ricmalijan2319]

Amazing range test, we almost felt it. Thank you sir!

[@GingerOnWheels]

Anytime! That's why I'm here. Authentic tests. No sugar coating.

[@chrisb.1214]

I took my Ninebot Max out this morning in light rain splashing through small puddles with no worries, it was a lot of fun. I gotta tell ya, even though I have a blast on my high speed scooters there's always that anxiety you have about crashing and getting hurt with those so my little leisurely with less stress ride going around 18-19mph on my Ninebot is enjoyable too. I was taking photographs of historical places downtown and the scooter gave me so much freedom to do that which would be definitely difficult doing by just walking or in a regular vehicle. I would still say the range is decent on the Max. I went about 7 to 8 miles this morning and the battery dropped about 1 and a half bars on sport mode the whole time. I'm more or less happy with that. Someone should organize a scooter rodeo where you test different types of scooters from commuters to high performance models to see which riders can make turns the fastest and closest around an obstacle course. There can also be a very narrow straight run sandwiched by small cones to see who can travel the fastest through it without hitting any of the cones. A braking test can be done from a set speed with a line drawn on the pavement to see who can stop the closest on. A point system can be setup for the contest and the winners will earn prizes. I thing that would be a lot of fun.

[@GingerOnWheels]

They actually do have one of those in Spain. It's a scooter driving school, but they have an obstacle course setup too! I've seen pictures, it looks pretty neat. It would be really cool to get them started in other places though too. Glad to hear you're enjoying the Ninebot!

[@chrisb.1214]

@@GingerOnWheels Yeah, maybe I'll try to organize an event like that. I don't know about that crazy stuff like Alien Rides does such as a cannonball run. In my opinion that's pretty reckless and just brings on more hate to PEV's from the outside community, but something in a closed off area would be cool I think.

[@GingerOnWheels]

@@chrisb.1214 ya I'm not a fan of the cannonball thing either, just seems like begging to get them banned. But closed course or more rural at least would be really freaking sweet.

[@CreativN8tiv]

I got a Ninebot max the other day, i watched your videos beforehand i have to say this is a great first time scooter for the price, I'm about 150Lbs so this scooter has no problem moving

[@VLbadboyVL07]

I tested the range on this scooter today and got 42 km's while cruising at 17 km/h. Flat roads normal temperature and I weigh 103 kg.

[@Henrybram]

ok dont say in kg noone knows how to compair that do pounds

[@richardsoares4653]

@@Henrybram almost everyone in the world besides Americans work in kg’s 🤷‍♂️

[@Henrybram]

@@richardsoares4653 im legit in canada and most people here use pounds and second of all this has a 90 percent american veiwers prob

[@aaronb7807]

@@Henrybram Canadian here, lots of us use KG or at least understand both

[@weltvonoben]

​@@Henrybram you can't google?

[@annmarier.4152]

I just bought one of these for my son's transportation to school. Good to know that it works in the rain!! Excellent review!!

[@GingerOnWheels]

Good choice, I'm sure your son will love it!

[@godofentity]

riding in the rain might void the warrentee though *

[@mr_wrongway]

You're a true WARRIOR !

[@rxonmymind8362]

Let me pile onto the praise. Thank you so much for doing this it erased a lot of questions. A little heavier than you and 230 lb I will deduct another 5 miles from the range. Thank you again well done!

[@GingerOnWheels]

Glad I could help!

[@bffmrk]

Never seen a more in depth review other than your channel. Deserves a 👍

[@GingerOnWheels]

Thanks!

[@priscillalim9839]

Legit everything I wanted to know about the range of my scooter! What a top dog you are ❤

[@pur1tyl]

absolutely amazing review. seriously went out of your way to give a review on the scooter and did it a little too well. amazing content and I will definitely consider this review when I am buying this scooter.

[@GingerOnWheels]

This is just the range test! The final review is even better 😁

[@joshuacollins-ho4cg]

How do you get it to start and change gears I can't get out eco mode

[@tapmoron]

Fantastic video(s), i first watched your main video since i m looking for an urban long range escooter. It is hard to find the battery capacity, sometimes they give A.h and omit the voltage, sometimes they just give autonomy in KM which is irrelevant. I saw a video in which Xiaomi was loosing 30% of its battery on a + 30 meters (about 100 feets) with 90 kg man carrying 10 kg of geart (around 200 pounds total). I m very happy to read that this Ninebot can do 1200 ft on climbing with around 90 kg load. Most testers do advertising rather than actual testing, you are an exception. I really appreciate the extensive and serious testing you did, autonmy, ability to climb steep slopes, behavior under heavy raind, breaking. I'm truly impressed and give your video a 5/5 stars. I need to clim 150 meters (450 feets) on the way out and in, and since you reported around 1200 feet it seems that with the Ninebot i can commute and not even recharge at the office. Note that my trip has a W shape so there is almost no overall positive climb. PS : I think that providers should always provide the battery capacity in Watt/h, or quiv mamph and voltage. The ninebot has around 550 wh which is really high for its price range. I don't know if there is any competition, the xiaomi pro 2 has quite less battery capacity. And on top the Ninebot has its charger included, so you just need a standard cable which is awesome.

[@BangerT778]

Thanks!

[@BangerT778]

Keep up the work man

[@ayayin2192]

Best range test I've seen on the ninebot max thank you

[@beasdeelj297]

Thanks for this brother. i appreciate that you did this for us!!!! big W

[@pedalpowered1]

this video should be considered a golden standard, when deciding on which scooter to purchase.

[@tamiro1992]

Hey dude that’s a fantastic test of all the modes. Thanks for doing that!

[@joAO-87-TugA]

Just picked this scooter up, watching this review helped me make my decision. Thanks from the Uk 🇬🇧💯👍🏼👊🏼

[@GingerOnWheels]

Glad I could help!

[@KING-no3jb]

How's your scooter been?

[@carlvu7]

Amazing work. Thank you so much for your hard work and being out in the rain. True dedication. True dedication. I just bought one so thank you for posting the time also so we get a general idea how long We can go at certain mode. Thank you very much.

[@barugongameroff2914]

man I'm so afraid about my MAX an rain but you made it, fantastic videos you make! I love all of'em!

[@GingerOnWheels]

MAX does well in the rain! I wouldn't make a habit of it or anything, but it won't leave you stranded. Thanks for watching the videos!

[@ant8861]

I’m going to hold off getting a scooter for now. I haven’t seen one that ticks all the boxes yet. thanks for the review. I hope something new comes out soon.

[@GingerOnWheels]

Which boxes are you trying to tick? Maybe I can help.

[@ant8861]

Ginger On Wheels Aww thanks :) I’m really just looking for something that’s comfortable to ride. Something that goes 20-30 mph, has suspension, shows the battery life and how fast you’re going and a has a range of at least 30 miles.

[@ant8861]

Ginger On Wheels the closest thing I to that I’ve seen is the widewheel pro. the only thing I’m not to sure about is how well it does when it’s raining or if there’s something out there that performs fine under those conditions. But so far I haven’t seen anything that’s decent in the rain. And I don’t know if there is haha!

[@michael_caz_nyc]

Michael Anthony - I Agree 100%

[@rxonmymind8362]

May I suggest the Dualtron mini? 34 mile range and 30+ mph depending on weight etc... won't break the bank either. $1500. minimotorsusa.com/products/dualtron-mini-electric-scooter

[@eternal2980]

Fellow PNW here. I saw you go across my street in this video 😁

[@scentsei8201]

Giner never disappoints. I love all your videos. 👌🏼

[@AVSArtist]

I subscribed because of your name. Haven't even checked the whole video yet LOL!

[@pepemoran5805]

I’ve been watching your vids Bc my ninebot is coming in 1 day and I’m so excited

[@BangerT778]

Love the video boss!!! Great work

[@MeanKoreaNZGamer]

I ride just over 15km everyday to go to work and back home (S mode). I am 98kg and I ride mostly flat road except 2.5km quite steep hill before arrive my work. when I come back from work I always have 47% ~ 50% battery left

[@bdgy1727]

My hat's off to you... Amazing effort. Thanks man.

[@YunProductionCanada]

I'm not sure how much difference it will make, yet going the same path would've been more accurate. but nice video!

[@GingerOnWheels]

That's true. I was sort of trying to give you accurate ideas of what the scooter would be like in the 3 modes to a regular person , though. The eco test was more of a range test, so I kept it flat. But the other 2, those were sort of meant to replicate commuter conditions more, some hills, faster, a little gravel maybe. Either way, I was pretty impressed. Thanks for the comment . ✌️

[@apfelmeerschweinchen58]

Great review man! thanks a lot!!!

[@MrHero1976]

Thanks for the review bud!

[@Damadoore]

wow you really went to the full length of seing what this Scooter was made of. It seems to work in the rain too thanks for verifying that =)

[@GingerOnWheels]

Glad you found this video useful. 😁

[@mikehashobbies3087]

Awesome Video! I love my max, I just ordered a range extender and I am hoping to get 40 miles in D... fingers crossed lol

[@alexk4044]

hey any update on the range extender? I am looking to buy one soon

[@josozg]

Nice man ! greetings from Croatia ! :)

[@GingerOnWheels]

Greetings! Welcome.

[@chrisb3977]

Did you open the battery compartment/bottom cover to see if there was any water inside the scooter? I used ride during rain and snow for a year and eventually the BMS of my G30P battery went dead and as I opened it right after to investigate, there was a lot of water in there. Be careful.

[@rfh9560]

10:00 I just got mine yesterday 2nd hand, I rode home on Sport mode for 16km (9.94 miles) and had 45% left, and it was cold 5°C (41°F), there’s a storm going on at the moment so winds were up to 50km/h (31.07mi) wet road and when I checked tyre pressure, for my surprise it was only 22psi. But it was Mostly flat roads and I’m only about 65KG (143lb) . With more reasonable weather and tyre pressure, the range will be really good, I’m very satisfied

[@clives4501]

Have just read other posts below. Seems like my question has already been answered. You had the Gen 2. Thanks Clive

[@EduDixie]

Nice vid dude! I want this to be my next scooter after my M365 retires :)

[@GingerOnWheels]

Probably not a bad call. Would be a nice upgrade.

[@ashleymalamute]

My daily rider M365 is 2 and a half years old...no sign of death yet.

[@BlazefieldMedia]

At last some real world usage thank you.

[@GingerOnWheels]

Ya we don't sugar coat things around here. Glad you liked it!

[@BlazefieldMedia]

@@GingerOnWheels mines coming on Monday 🛴 🥰

[@gronk4575]

This looks like so much fun

[@GingerOnWheels]

T'was🙂

[@alanjackson4646]

Great review, just got on and road, no prattling on.

[@GingerOnWheels]

Glad you liked it!

[@galacticmonkeh965]

Thanks for the Vid Ginger!!! All about the science....

[@GingerOnWheels]

Tryin my best to keep it fun but technical. ✌️

[@gideoncor]

Great review, thanks for sharing! May I please ask what type of headlamp you were using during your night ride? What's the best headlamp upgrade for the g30? Thanks again.

[@JuCarlos-ex8ip]

Great review

[@Futurebound_jpg]

You’ve convinced me, i need one just for the rainy days i cant take my Apollo Explore outside

[@railoperationsofaustralia9027]

I have a Segway Ninebot kick scooter. I have a problem in that I can't get the throttle to kick in. I've had the scooter for a few days but I've not been able to use it cos I can't get the thing to move. When I press the throttle it should move right? I keep kicking off to try to get the motor to engage but nothing happens. I'm really out of ideas.

[@Hush.44]

Thanks bro awesome vid!

[@MaribethGarces]

Great reviews! Thank you

[@GingerOnWheels]

You're welcome 🤠

[@cameraman1234567890]

It must be understood that the advertising 40 miles range was from specific riding conditions such as I believe they stated was a 160 lb rider in eco mode. You weigh 190, so 27 is really good.

[@ericmed]

In my brand new unit S mode 18.6mph cruise control, I get 2.2-2.3 miles for every 10% on 193lb rider (haven't done a full range test yet)

[@jasonweston5687]

Best comparison would be to do the same range test route for all 3 settings.

[@GingerOnWheels]

True

[@bobbyGnOly]

Just waiting for mine to arrive in the next week....and then ...who knows

[@bens3767]

Thanks for doing this. Is this on the Segway Gmax 30p? I've heard there are different motor types I have the second generation motor. I also think it varies depending on your weight I'm 230 lbs. So I would imagine this would change a bit .

[@leito9802]

Just got a new ninebot max g30 e II first charge did 21 km and still left 48% battery . using only sport mode how that happened. And is it possible that the application is cheating?

[@TheZalaran]

Really great basic eScooter!!!!

[@fondoo]

I own the ninebot max. Nice test compilation

[@PizzaLov3r]

So Gen 1 scooter Thanks for the upload.

[@GingerOnWheels]

Nope. Gen 2.

[@PizzaLov3r]

@@GingerOnWheels excellent.

[@PizzaLov3r]

@@GingerOnWheels can you do a video of a hacked Version and see if you get any improvements in range and power ;)

[@dennisgolden7596]

Nice reviwe like you Do always thanks.

[@sammietatze8242]

2:17 why does it say that?

[@chad_Luciano]

Great video n quick question is it worth upgrading to this I have the hiboy max n ima lil disappointed with the range

[@GingerOnWheels]

in my opinion, yes that would be a worthwhile upgrade. There is only one problem with the scooter and that is the latch, but I'm going to be releasing a video soon on how to make sure yours never comes loose. it also doesn't have much hill climbing power but it'll be much better than the hiboy.

[@123lilflako]

Good video man savage!!!

[@GingerOnWheels]

Thank you!

[@johnalexisdejesus4037]

This is a great range test. I would like to know the app you are using at the end of the test?

[@golledgestravels326]

Thank you for posting this scientific review of the G30 Max. This is probably the most useful review I have seen. It shows what we all want to know. "How far will it go?" Been considered for a good while purchasing this model. Living in England, I'm concerned about the "do not use in the rain" caveat. Thoughts anyone?

[@GingerOnWheels]

I've ridden mine in the rain 4 or 5 times now. No problems to report here. I'm curious what others have to say... Man you think THIS was a good review? Wait until I release my actual review! This was just the range testing hahaha. I'll be putting out a 30 or so minute long video on this scooter very soon.

[@twilliams8041]

What a great review. I notice in your country they use non-metric. Would be great to see metric equivalents for rest of the world who might watch.

[@M6JKW]

Great video thanks for posting 👍

[@GingerOnWheels]

You bet

[@sorrowinchrist3387]

Thank you Ginger you went all the long way on eco mode that must have been difficult! Can you ask someone to do it again with a lighter weight?

[@samueljobert912]

Thank you, great complete test !!! It has never been done before, well done. I know it's a lot of more work to do, but if you can translate (or subtitle) lbs to kgs and distance to kms, it would be perfect ;) Please continue like that !

[@karthiksivasiva]

Thanks a lot for the video.

[@Nixer1131]

For me 96 or 97 kg will sport mode go 25 kmh and can i climb uphills or no way if not should i buy ms energy e10 romobil it goes 35 kmh so ms is better for my weight?

[@jaiwood7225]

does it work in the rain tho?

[@MrZangetsu1997]

I bought my Ninebot Max last week for work but it's been raining pretty much all week where I live so I was worried about riding it in the rain, last night was the first night that I've gotten to ride it to work, then this morning it was raining again so I had no choice but to ride it home in the rain, it did really well, only thing is now I need to buy some wipes to clean the mud off the Deck

[@mikaelav8964]

its water proof.....

[@MrZangetsu1997]

@@mikaelav8964 No, It's not waterproof, it even says so in the owner's manual, it is water resistant and there is a warning that suggests against riding it in the rain and that doing so could damage the vehicle, but it is by no means waterproof, if you drop it in a pool, you're going to break it.

[@DoNE021]

Mine Ninebot MAX G30E II (25kmh 65km/40mile EU version). I only drive mine in "S" Sport mode. Im 182cm 85kg. I can ride around 5h on 1 charge here end there different speed but only "S" mode. And if i drive long range in "S" full speed i come between 5-5.5km /31-34miles.

[@jeromeblack6140]

Hi this is my first ever comment on KZbin or pretty much anywhere online. This particular video was very interesting seeing as i just bought a Ninebot Max. Couldn't quite justify buying an Emove Cruiser...need the water resistance here in the UK. Your videos are all great, always with some good useful info. All this just pushed me to finally comment. Are you planning another Ninebot Max video? Does it still work after the soaking :) ? Anyway, thanks for getting drenched for KZbin

[@GingerOnWheels]

I can do another Ninebot max video, ya. It still works great.

[@4nlimited3dition_4n3d]

You can find disassembly videos of the ninebot here on youtube. Basically it's all potted and sealed inside, so almost zero chance of water damage, unless you ride literally underwater for extended periods.

[@jeromeblack6140]

@@GingerOnWheels Ok thanks for the info

[@jeromeblack6140]

@@4nlimited3dition_4n3d Yeah I've seen an assembly ad disassembly vid. Couldn't quite tell. The battery compartment is ip67 so that's cool. Handlebars have some gaps that I'll probably tape up. Exposed cable/connector (for rear light) under rear fender needs sorting too.

[@rxonmymind8362]

@@4nlimited3dition_4n3d Did not know that. Thank you.

[@l-Lucid-l]

I’m pretty late to the video but how’s the scooter holding up? I need a scooter that is good for the rain and bad weather. I use the Emove cruiser but it’s horrible it is not suitable for rain at all. All the extra nonsense like the throttle, turning signals, front headlight and horn just get wet and shut the scooter off when riding. The deck is water resistant everything else is not water resistant at all. My glion dolly was better in the rain lol. Would you say the ninebot is the best scooter for the rain?

[@tinyslushy6232]

What a great video

[@BT-eb2wz]

Thanks for the effort to make those tests. Great detailed video.!!! Only one question what is the App name that you use? I mean the one that show charts consumption elevation etc.??? thank you in advance. Cheers Bill

[@crazyscooterinvisiblerider925]

so just a little bit of rain/wet ground shouldnt be any problem at all?

[@cellomemoria]

Ahora un comentario en español. Gracias por todo lo que haces y enseñas. Excelente video, muy instructivo y entretenido. Saludos desde Bogotá Colombia. u can translate wh i wrote jejeje

[@futmut1000]

40miles advertised range...Gets 27miles on ECO mode, thats quite disappointing on my book...Sorry but i got more than the advertised range of 28miles on the Xiaomi PRO, 30 miles to be exact and using D mode...

[@StojanovskiTV]

Awful advertising. Thanks for the test. Was about to replace my Pro 2 for this as some on Reddit said he can do 40 km in sport mode, flashed 38 km/h. I'm now going to add an external battery pack for my Pro 2.

[@DoNE021]

I get 50-55km (31-34,1miles) range on my Ninebot MAX G30 in "S" Sport mode. I'v ride mine for 1300km, not a single problem, like new. Don't know why they get soo low range. I'v seen couple that got relay low range. are there something wrong with their battery or. I'm very happy with the range on mine. I never use "Eco" or "D" mode.

[@weltvonoben]

I also get 50-55 km on my g30d 2 Edit: in sport mode, my weight is 80kg

[@winniepeg2020]

​@@DoNE021 our family had 6 of those we never got more than 19 miles on s mode they were rubbish on hills as well we now have the latest version of the inmotion S1 makes the g30 seem like a toy 🤣

[@winniepeg2020]

​@@weltvonoben the most we have ever got is around 30 km we had six of those they are like kids toys compared to inmotion S1😎

[@Askhsj]

Are you testing the Gen1 scooter or Gen2. I believe the Gen1 has code 6*** on the tyre and gen 2 has 9***

[@jyxiaa]

Trust Ginger on Wheels because i tried the sport mode and exactly 16 miles of range too xD

[@Ifalvarado]

Which scooter that is about as compact as the Segway max, can last the longest? I gotta commute up to 20 miles, so trying to use bestbuy credit on it

Awesome video. I wonder why the channel gets so few views

[@GingerOnWheels]

Thanks for watchin' , you can support the channel my spreading the word 😁 thanks again!

[@the_infamous_oz]

awesome vid ! thank you

[@GingerOnWheels]

Np

[@galeriestrasbourg2527]

Great video! Thanks! I just bought one and I was wondering: how did this scooter perform days or weeks after riding it in the rain? Did the performance change? Any problems?

[@GingerOnWheels]

Zero problems or issues with this scooter after tightening the latch screws + adding blue loctite. My girlfriend still rides it around with me. Got about 400 miles on it now.

[@matrixate]

Great info!

[@niteblaster1]

Good video 😎 Max or inmotion S1 🤔

[@chillimocha]

Thanks mate your videos are the best. What was the name of the app you were using to record all the details?

[@jamespeters2859]

I’ve owned one of these for about a month, luv it. I find the only mode worth using is S mode, the other modes are feeble. Breaks are good. Only thing is, I wish it had both a high beam and low beam light setting, rather than just what is a low beam setting. Riding through a park at night with no street lights, one needs a high beam switch.

[@GingerOnWheels]

You can always mount an Aux bicycle light to the bars :)

[@jamespeters2859]

@@GingerOnWheels Thanks bud, I’ll look that up on eBay, the scoot definitely needs a slightly higher light. Big hugs from the UK.

[@MaribethGarces]

Any possibility to add metric system measurements in, please? Kilometers?

[@GingerOnWheels]

I can try for next review, yes.

[@alpersebaydinov8870]

Thanks just bought it!

[@GingerOnWheels]

Good stuff!

[@shannonconley2730]

I used mine the rain and it ran just fine

[@AndrewBryantPianoTuner]

What is the point in this Musak???