Ninja Luxe Cafe ES601 vs Breville Barista Express BES870XL Espresso Machine COMPARISON Who Wins?

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[@ConnectCreativeDesign]

This will give Sage / Breville the kick up the backside it needs. Competition is good for the consumer!

[@vitazgal9933]

Still hangin' on everything you show us ! Love them...Also on your FB !! Yay ~ :)

[@stanleyderochea6505]

Not a complaint. Just saying to help people save some coffee. The lux basket is used for quad shots and drip coffee and cold press. My cup takes 4 shots for my morning coffee. At 18 grams for a double that ninja gives and 36 grams for 2 doubles. But if i use the lux basket it holds 49 grams for a quad shot. That is a waste of 13 grams of coffee if you use the lux basket for quad shots

[@wanderingaloudwithmark3057]

Thanks for the info. I pour quad shots out my Breville Bambino. Was wondering if the ninja did the same.

[@JustADad]

Wow good math!!! I never thought of it that way. I just assumed it was the same amount. Thanks for sharing some really good information!!!

[@melissakavanagh6175]

Wow, that’s a great observation! I don’t think I would have thought to do the math on that.

[@Scotty_in_Ohio]

Dual Clutch Transmissions shift faster and can handle more power than manual transmissions in cars. Enthusiasts generally prefer manual transmissions though - they're more "engaging" (fun) than DCT automatics. This is similar to the two machines being compared. If you want to "hop in and go" then the Ninja. If you want to experience making espresso based coffee drinks and take up the hobby then the Breville

[@djameelpeerally6496]

Awesome example love it

[@Az-456]

With the Breville which we have had for 6 years now we had to change the inner bur grind from 6 to 4 now its set at 3. It just wasn’t grinding it fine enough. This makes calibration with the outer burr settings more easier. The journey was amazing. Me and my wife have mastered the ratios 18 grams in and 36 to 40 grams out within 25 to 30 seconds. We didn’t even know that you could pre infuse the coffee puck manually. You do this by holding the single or double shot button (it then pre infuses the coffee puck) and when you let go it starts the extraction and the pressure goes up. We found that a 5 second pre infusion and 20 to 25 second extraction time is perfect for this machine at 2:1 ratio. With the Breville you would want to leave the machine on to get to desired temperature. Heat up the portafilter and also heat up the shot glass that you are extracting into. We found that a consistent hot / warm temperature across the board gave a much better shot! We are very happy with the Sage and are now advanced users and many times we have bought new beans 🫘 we have dialled it in within the first try! And also write down settings of previous beans to avoid having to re dial them in again so we can swap around when needed. We have not needed a repair on the sage since we bought it. Highly recommended tip on both machines is to clean it after each use. Clean the steamer and let the steamer run for 10 seconds. Clean the head and let the water run through. When cleaning with descaling option or with a tablet I highly recommend taking the shower head off and cleaning inside too. And making sure all chemicals are thoroughly flushed out! Also taking out the hopper and hoovering inside and taking the burr out too and cleaning it with a new paint brush will set u up for many years of use! This makes the coffee machine last as no pressure will be built up inside! The Sage is a brilliant machine and we can pull shots 10x better than costa or star bucks! Final tip is to use oat milk for certain coffee beans. Recommend is the momo barista oat milk which adds flavours to the coffee and compliments them brilliantly! Some beans you can actually taste the chocolate with this oat milk. It’s like it amplifies the flavours in some beans! The iced coffees are mind blowing too! Just add a espresso shot or two add loads of ice and oat milk (momo brand) and voila! Anyway I will watch the video and see what’s what. Have a great day everyone! Edit: Touching on the variables of tamping. We bought a tamper and distribution tool to ensure tamping is out of the equation.

[@michellezimmermann9160]

I could never seem to get my head around coffee machines with those gauges, 😱so I always avoided them. I’ve seen other reviews on the Ninja and to be honest it scared the living daylights out of me, but I reserved judgement until you reviewed .You explained and demonstrated it with ease, and now, for me, it will be the Ninja all the way. Thanks Mr Dad 👍

[@donaldgenenavarro]

Great videos! I’d love to have the Ninja Luxe but I’d probably wait to see about longevity. I do not think $500 is too bad as long as it doesn’t die prematurely. I have super hard water in Colorado that kills a Keurig in about six months. This would have to last at least 3-5 years to be viable for me.

[@duffmanjon]

I have some of the worst hard water where I live. An under the sink RO system is a must. They are cheaper and save more money than an Expresso machine . I fill my coffee machine and wash the parts with the sink filtered water.

[@juanarroyo465]

Just use distilled water for your coffee... a 5 gallon jug only costs like $1.50 to refill.

[@waterzipper]

I'm getting the ninja I've had the CF090 Series Ninja Coffee Bar for a little over 7 years now. It still works I've had the disassemble in a couple times to unclog the pump. Other than that one hiccup it's been a great machine.

[@markdesmond6274]

Hope the ninja comes to the U.K. soon. Using Nespresso creatista for the last few years. It’s okay but I want a better coffee than the Nespresso can deliver. I also want to get away from the capsules. Not sure I want to spend £1500 on a Sage Touch Impress, but this seems like a really good step up for the same price as the Creatista!!

[@hdz77]

I just got the Ninja today and this video popped up after I set it up and did my first coffee 😂😂, Completely love how easy to use the Ninja is, I am a first timer so the Breville is a no go for me, and Ninja is also more affordable, My wife is is also in love with this coffee barista maker.

[@JustADad]

Glad you enjoy it!

[@AVKingJamesBible]

I got my Ninja a few weeks ago LOVE IT! Great espresso. Great drip. Great everything! I had been eyeing one of the Breville’s for about a year. So happy I went with Ninja!

[@theshortsofAlexus]

Yayy I was waiting to see this type video ❤😅

[@JustADad]

Hope you enjoyed it!

[@Mr_JP_Thats_Me]

Thank you. Another great video. Up until about 5 years ago I would have said Breville all the way. Do it all yourself, be a part of the making experience. Now, I just want a great cup of espresso and up until these videos looking at fully automated machines. $$$$$$. I like the idea of this one. Still have to do some things but rest is calculated for you.

[@InimitaPaul]

I’ve been watching all the reviews of this and there’s a whole lot of people that have buyers remorse because they bought another machine before this was released, some of them are honest about it but others can’t help but point every little foible this machine has. Can’t wait for mine to arrive, I want decent coffee easily made and this machine goes above and beyond.

[@stanleyderochea6505]

My only complaint about the ninja is its opv valve. It dumps so much water into the drip tray after each shot. It dumps more in the tray than you get in the cup. I have to empty it every 2 days after only making 3 or 4 drinks

[@JustADad]

ok that makes sense. I also seem to be empting mine more often, I just thought is was me, Thanks for Sharing!!!

[@pvvelll]

I don’t mind emptying it often. Cleaner appliance!

[@stanleyderochea6505]

@@pvvelll I complain about it, but I will deal with it because the machine is so good compared to my previous last 3 machines

[@ThorMaxx]

Dad... I have discussed in prayer videos on tips and tricks to make proper espresso with these machines. While they're not for everyone they do take time to learn to learn proper technique. For a person such as yourself the ninja is definitely the best option as you do not have to learn much in order to make a good drink. HOWEVER, while I love the ingenuity and the features of the Ninja, I am skeptical about the long-term reliability of a machine that is new to the market and a brand that has not dug deep into espresso before. Definitely a good first attempt though. I still feel that the durability and the quality lay with the Breville. You complain about how hard the Breville is to make a drink with, but even with some guidance I still feel you fall into the same mistakes. If you follow the instructions (Breville has a decent manual) use fresh beans (best with medium roast non oily beans) , and you take your time to learn how to pull a PROPER espresso shot and steam milk properly you will find the Breville to be a fine machine. There are a lot of forums and a lot of support groups out there for these machines so making a video telling people how hard it is to dial it in is unfair for the breville.

[@JustADad]

Well said! I do feel like I gave the Breville enough. time to figure out. for a beginner like myself it was just too hard. Long term will be a good test, since the Breville has a proven track record of lasting. I hope the ninja Last a long time also.

[@_w_w_]

I have bought and owned a lot of machines... super automatic to semi automatic... I keep coming back to the Breville. I design electronics for living and the Ninja is asking for trouble. All it takes is one sensor to go wrong, all the advantages are gone and I see a lot of sensors being used that design. It's not that Breville doesn't have the technology, they purposely design this model to allow people a lot of control and don't over use technologies. There is a reason why that while Breville model is not new but continue to be a top seller.

[@Scotty_in_Ohio]

I have had the Breville for a few years now - it's like a lot of professional or pro-sumer equipment - if you're experienced or in to it as a hobby the gear can reward you with great results.... if you just want a coffee drink then it may not be for you. The first year I had the machine I used it nearly every day. Now it mostly goes unused for 1-2 weeks at a time - I've even had to clean it when it hasn't been used not because it's been used. I also have to "re-learn" the machine a couple times a year. You're 100% correct in that bean choice, grind settings and a lot of the variables to manage will yield a great shot of espresso. At the end of the day it's why I kept our Nespresso machine - both cost about the same (over $600 when new) - the Nespresso is super easy and the drinks are okay (by my standards) - my wife and adult kids can use the machine - when it comes to the Breville I'm usually the only one that will run it and it's usually on the weekends...

[@Scotty_in_Ohio]

@@_w_w_ I think I agree - while I've had very good luck with Ninja products I can see where after even a few years of regular use things could have issues that cannot (easily) be corrected. There's a fair amount of "art" in the Breville (I own one too) and if you're willing to set things up there's some science as well but you have to invest the time to get things right. If you're after making a wide variety of coffee drinks and either have an extended warranty or willing to buy again the machine in about 36 months I think you could still be happy with the Ninja.

[@pinkyfloydyfan1]

Espresso, BY ITSELF, requires some effort. Espresso IS AN ART. And doing an espresso yourself, and at your taste, is much better than what a machine can do automatically. The infusion pressure, the amount and temperature of the water, the grinding of the beans, the tamping of the grind, the diffusing of water on the portafilter... All this requires a certain dexterity to achieve a quality espresso. If you do not take the trouble, you will not have all the refinement that an espresso can have. This CANNOT BE DONE AUTOMATICALLY!!! Just taste a real espresso made by a connoisseur and comparing the taste of a coffee made automatically. If you do not see the difference, then yes, the Ninja is made for you. I'm an espresso man and comparing Ninja to Breville is a insult to the world of espresso!!!

[@danielhannon5319]

Awesome review as always!

[@JustADad]

I appreciate that

[@danielhannon5319]

@JustADad no problem the reviews are spot on and great they are also very helpful

[@Itsjayy225]

Id reaaaaally love your take on a taste comparison of the two since you say you were able to dial in the breville how does the ninja compare in taste to the breville since ninja is new to the espresso market, because i am on the fence of which one i want to buy, ill definitely be using your link since finding this page though, but nobody else i have seen can give me the answer to this question

[@JustADad]

I need to get the courage up to try and Use the breville again. I might just do that.

[@Itsjayy225]

@@JustADad that would be awesome if you did, the only thing ive seen close to some kind of comparison in the actual espresso capability was the person said he was able to consistently get a 19-20% extraction

[@bobcattmatt]

@@JustADad I agree! the taste test comparison is the most important

[@werdskrl]

Excuse my ignorance, but my wife is interested in getting one of these to make her espresso at home. Would I be able to use pre-ground coffee that I buy in the store or does it require the beans to be ground in the machine to make a regular cup of coffee?

[@Sergio-lw9nq]

You can always put directly grounded coffee in the portafilter, but it will not be grounded at the correct size and not freshly grounded. So yes you can make a cheap coffee with a machine made to get a good coffee

[@JustADad]

you have to use whole bean coffee

[@Tass...]

It's unlikely the Luxe is using internal pressure readings to give you in the recommended grind setting. I Would assume what it actually does is it measures the water and measures the time it takes to dispense a set amount of water and then calculates the recommended grind setting based on the. That's the easiest and most accurate way for them to help dialing in. For example if it dispenses 40ml of water in 15 seconds it knows that too fast so will tell you to lower the grinder setting for a finer grind and vice versa until the 40ml is being dispensed in about 30 seconds.

[@roses609]

Great review

[@daveX81]

Today Ninja announced for Europe 3 machines. ES501 601 and 701. The 601 and 701 should both be able to produce hot water and americano. You said there is no hot water? Does they change anything for the European version?

[@Scotty_in_Ohio]

While I do not own the Ninja machine I do own the Breville (same exact model) and I can agree with you on most of what you're saying in this video. The Breville machine is really for someone who wants to _MAKE_ coffee drinks and by that I mean the process of making coffee (specifically espresso based drinks). I'd say unless you're in to that as a hobby and willing to spend the time to get the process down you may want to go with the Ninja (or similar) machine - I'm not hating on Ninja at all - most of the rest of the small appliances we own are that brand and use them every day. When I do use my Breville I often have to "re-learn" the entire process and it is complicated. The quality of just plain espresso is very good but it's a challenge to get there - for me it's worth it for someone (like my wife) - they just want a coffee drink without all the fuss. We also have a Nespresso machine (which we've had for years before the Breville) - I thought we'd be able to stop buying pods after spending $600 on the Breville but I was wrong - the Breville wins on appearance and if you're willing to put the effort in making espresso and espresso based coffee drinks - if you just want a latte or cappuccino the Ninja would likely be a better all around choice. If you have the Breville and are having a contractor bid/quote work to your home - I'd put the machine away otherwise your quote may go up significantly when they see the machine - they'd think "these people have some money...."

[@PodiumTuningRacing]

Specifically about your last comment... I hate how having a nice home likely means inflated quotes for whatever I need, frustrating. Just because the house is big or I live in a nice neighborhood does not mean I have cash to burn simply for just owning nice things. I invest my money in only things that make sense to me and typically enhances my daily life in a noticeable way, this would be one of those things.

[@gigi9467]

You need a proper machine man. This is an appliance. These things are worthless. My ECM synchronic and ceado grinder make a real espresso shot and not much time or much fiddling around.

[@chineduedu2097]

You should review the Phillips Lattego. I believe they are competing for same market

[@GAMIwitheoI]

9:05 the deeper basket does NOT (have) need to be tamped to make drip coffee as filter coffee classic, rich and cold brew. ok just for quad espresso

[@ThorMaxx]

You mean you cant brew drip on the Breville....which is fine sonce that is not what the Breville is for. People who just want drip coffee IMHO should honestly stick to a drip coffee machine.

[@_w_w_]

No... you can. You brew a shot and then add hot water. It's not difficult.

[@JustADad]

yep I forgot about the americano. I used to think an americano was not a coffee till I made one, Its the same as a normal coffee. sorry I missed that one.

[@RooReviews]

I am in the market as we speak for an espresso machine, and I am torn between a sage/breville and the ninja the fact that the ninja is simple. It’s starting to draw me and Moore. I’d like to think I will become an expert barista, but realistically I will get bored and just want coffee.

[@JustADad]

yep get the Ninja

[@RooReviews]

@@JustADad just gotta wait for it to release here in the uk

[@krehbein]

How much does it hold in coffee beans, pound wise? Looks like less than a pound. This thing is appealing for households where you have family members “pouring cups” throughout the morning. Everyone gets maximum freshness. For the 3 of us coffee drinkers in my family that would equate to about 5 cups a day. I wonder if it will last? Guess that’s what add on warranties are for. I have that breville and it’s great for espresso drinks, but as you note you do have to learn the subtleties of using it. If I get the ninja I’ll do a side by side test.

[@amandaellis7366]

Breville recent put on the market the Oracle Jet. I priced this machine & it's extremely overpriced. I found that this machine is $1,999.00. For me that is too expensive, but I am curious to see a comparison with is vs. the Ninja Luxe Cafe. I was on the fence about the price of this Ninja thinking it was too expensive. After seeing the price on the Breville Oracle Jet I just said to myself "It's Not That Serious For Me, Time To Move On". I also have been watching a few reviews on this item through other youtube creators. For some reason your video was more in detail. Therefore I just place the order today (not through your link). I looked at your video after I purchased it, and so glad I did watch your take on it. So far I am concerned about the durability. I may have more concerns later but right now this one stand out for me.

[@JustADad]

yeah this price of the ninja is amazing!!! the closet breville Barista is $700 and a lot hard to dial in. Long term will be the test. the breville has a proven track record of long term usage.

[@argeliamoran6132]

I will buy the breville off you!! 😊 I don't have either.

[@pinkyfloydyfan1]

Espresso, BY ITSELF, requires some effort. Espresso IS AN ART. And doing an espresso yourself, and at your taste, is much better than what a machine can do automatically. The infusion pressure, the amount and temperature of the water, the grinding of the beans, the tamping of the grind, the diffusing of water on the portafilter... All this requires a certain dexterity to achieve a quality espresso. If you do not take the trouble, you will not have all the refinement that an espresso can have. This CANNOT BE DONE AUTOMATICALLY!!! Just taste a real espresso made by a connoisseur and comparing the taste of a coffee made automatically. If you do not see the difference, then yes, the Ninja is made for you. I'm an espresso man and comparing Ninja to Breville is a insult to the world of espresso!!!

[@pinkyfloydyfan1]

The most important is the brew and Breville is the best on that. All those gadgets Ninja had, i don't care. Too much tech for nothing. An espresso is simple: get the good pressure to get the most of the coffee beans. For that, Breville do it better!

[@zhanii3959]

Both machines were made for different target customers not a good comparison machine. You can’t compare automatic transmission with manual transmission car right?

[@SmuggiNOLA]

How many shots do you think you can pull in, say, 5 minutes? If you were having the occasional dinner party and wanted to do affagatos?

[@_w_w_]

Just A Dad: Come on now... don't call the Breville messy. You make a mess on every coffee video regardless of the brand :P

[@JustADad]

LOL. you just made me laugh becuase you are right. I tend to be messy with most coffee machines. thanks for making me laugh today!!!

[@MrKevin920]

Are you sure there is no secret button press to dispense hot water out of the steaming wand?

[@MrKevin920]

Most machines like delonghi dispense from the steam wand

[@stanleyderochea6505]

Absolutely no secret button for hot water. Ninja will tell you the same

[@JustADad]

none that i could find but it is early

[@vutsup1]

I love my Breville Barista Express! I’m a newbie to making my own espresso’s…it helps to read the owners manual to fully understand how it works;) You don’t even need to weigh your beans. Where did you get all this info?

[@ThorMaxx]

I totally agree with your statement. Dad seems to take the quick approach to put down a brand without truly figuring them out first. He did this with Dyson and literally had to be convinced that Dyson male excellent vacuums I feel he is doing the same with Breville. Breville has been in the coffee / espresso market for many years. It has taken them time to perfect their machines and they are widely acclaimed and recognized in the espresso market. Ninja is a great company. And they make beautiful appliances. This new machine is a very good first attempt (much better than the DeLonghi LaSpecialista). I have not use this new machine yet, but I feel that it will be a great machine for those wanting to make decent drinks but just have little to no patience to learn true espresso skills.

[@JustADad]

Sorry you felt like I was putting down Breville. Just trying to show the differences and how much easier at setup the Ninja was.

[@tala9499]

Do you have to change the beans from espresso to drip coffee every time? How difficult is that process?

[@johnthegreek2480]

Can you grind oily beans in the Ninja?

[@JustADad]

Oily beans are hard on most grinders. not sure

[@suelopez99]

Can u brew coffee & steam milk at the same time?

[@PabloTBrave]

The ninja can produce more "drinks" however brevelle is the supior product, it produce better wuality coffee and the machine is also likley last far longer than the ninja too it is also serviceable/repairable. The two products arent aimed at the same demographic both are amazing for whom they are designed for. For many the ninja will be te best device "for them"

[@Tass...]

The Breville has a horrible grinder. When I upgraded to a standalone grinder the improvement in taste was night and day. You haven't tasted good espresso on a Breville Barista express it's grinder isn't good enough. It can brew well tho.

[@gigi9467]

A”perfect” espresso shot that’s hilarious 10 years in the game and I have yet to get a perfect espresso shot on my $6000 set up. Big words there bro lol