Nintendo & Pokemon Company Sue Palworld Studio - Kinda Funny Games Daily 09.19.24

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Thumbnail is outta control...😂😂😂

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[@danielle_z]

Roger killed it with the thumbnail 🔥

[@darryljack6612]

To give further clarification this is a Patent infringement lawsuit, not Copyright infringement like everyone thought back in the day. So this lawsuit has nothing to do with artwork of character design. Instead it invovles mecahincs. The mechanics in question that Nintendo patented and are suing for is (apparently) (1) The targeting system of tossing an object at a mon in an overworld, like what we see in Legends Arceus. (2) Getting on and off a flying mount in the overworld. (3) And releasing creatures into the over world via an object. What's even crazier is that (at least the targeting system one) the patent(s) was refiled in May of this year.

[@MRayGames]

Who allowed them to patent flying mounts?? Nintendo were the last company to implement that

[@LordRockington83]

Greg and Andy are my favorite KFGD combo.

[@jeffmacs2o223]

Greg has definitely grown on me.. but you gotta throw Snow bike Mike in there too!

[@LordRockington83]

@@jeffmacs2o223 sorry I meant KFGD combo (edited). Greg, Andy, & SBM is my absolute favorite combo.

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Bend are the ones who opposed making a sequel to days gone....i feel like you guys should keep up with this stuff lol

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Greg, Andy and a Bonhomme Carnaval mug is all I need. What a show.

[@jonalexander9312]

As a Days Gone fan I'll be happy with a remaster. When I first played the game I encountered many bugs including some that broke the game. Even replaying the game now I still encounter some of the bugs so it will be nice to have a new version that looks good and has some of the new features the PS5 has to offer.

[@jeffmacs2o223]

Not sure if you have the option, but on PC it's pretty awesome.

[@jonalexander9312]

@@jeffmacs2o223 I heard that but I don't ever realistically seeing myself playing on pc

[@Freeman0638]

This thumbnail made me chuckle way harder than it should have

[@illadelph42]

I want the Edge but I wish they had hall effect sticks. I worry about drift and I know they sell replacement sticks but I hear they are always out of stock.

[@h1stout1]

i cant imagine if i just looked up and Andy was sprinting towards me in a parking lot

[@shaunmorton8548]

I wish Sony would sell those PS1 plates seperate...though Idk if they would fit on the original PS5 model. I hate the white plates. That Classic logo color scheme on gray is chef's kiss

[@dyelon13]

I really loved days gone, but on PS5 it looks absolutely amazing. what on Earth?

[@jermelpurse3018]

Not about what you feel as a gamer is what can be proven legally and the lawsuit Nintendo has filed that’s not an easy lawsuit to prove. Because it’s OK to take something very similar to what someone has done and make slight modifications to it and turn it into your own as long as you don’t take the direct name of the character they have made. For instance, go on right now you can look up several comedians who have done comedians standup performances, and you will find clips where other people have posted them, but it is perfectly legal because they took the clip and they made slight and slight changes to it. For instance, if you take a clip of Dave Chappelle doing stand up word forward and you just insert a few moments of commentary, no lawsuit. You could take the entire clip of his comedic performance and if you animate the clip lawsuit. In order to infringe upon the copyright of someone, especially when it comes to digital media, you have to almost copy it for just slight alterations or even almost identical character in a different man that could be grounds for dismissal.

[@elcapitan2293]

Helldivers 2, astrobot, and lego horizons are proof that sony isn't announcing new games until they are almost ready for release. I'm perfectly fine with that, instead of having a game announced and waiting 2 plus yrs for release

[@b0bom0jo]

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[@philbarton2832]

I said this a long time ago when the trailers for Palworld started dropping, Nintendo will wait till Palworld gets to the height of its success then strike with the sue because they will get more money than if they simply put out an early cease and desist. When Nintendo comes for you it's only a matter of time, they always win.

[@kenharrison4246]

Andys intro🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 every time

[@CompletelyInadequate]

I don't have a car payment, I don't have a baby, I don't have a baby mamma, and I have disposable income and a $700 ps5 is NOT for me.

[@philbarton2832]

Well said

[@VooDooChild6971]

This lawsuit confuses me. Why didn’t Nintendo patent the jumping mechanic in Donkey Kong? They could sue every company that publishes a game with a character that jumps.

[@johansvensson833]

becuse jumping existed in games decades before nintendo startied making games

[@VooDooChild6971]

@@johansvensson833 Name 1 game that came out decades before Donkey Kong that let you jump

[@MooshiGamer]

It will be interesting to see how the Palworld lawsuit plays out. The fact that it took Nintendo such a long time to do the lawsuit in the first place, makes me feel like it won't go in Nintendo's favor. You know for sure, if they had a leg to stand on Nintendo would have been hit Palworld with a lawsuit. XD

[@philbarton2832]

It's clear to me Nintendo have waited in the wings until Palworld has hit it's success peak so that now Nintendo will earn the most amount of money from them. A simple cease and desist back at the start of Palworld wouldn't have been anywhere near as profitable for Nintendo. Once Nintendo comes for you they come for you hard

[@MarkArnoldMusic]

I guess it makes sense to sit on a patent infringement until the company you're suing has become financially successful enough to actually pay Nintendo reparations. This is less likely about the infringement itself, which Nintendo knew months ago and couldve disrupted then, but more about the opportunity to acquire a giant slice of palworlds pie. Respect or disdain? Hard to place a pin in this one...

[@philbarton2832]

Bingo! This guy gets it. I said the same thing a long time ago when the Palworld trailers started. I think the devs knew this day would come at some point but they'll still have made a boat load of cash so it's worth it to them.

[@Nicky-zz8np]

I found the Indie game like very slimy. Like Nintendo doesn’t have indie World and constantly promote smaller titles. Some of them actually being monster taming games themselves.

[@morriswein2386]

How do I submit my, “baker’s dozen?”

[@inpowr]

They weren’t going to . Nah they were always going to they just didn’t want backlash from gamers enjoying by the game and they needed to build a solid argument

[@TheEagle247]

Very dangerous lawsuit! This could lead to serious consequences across the industry! Nintendo is just trying to destroy competition. Are they going to sue Astro bot for being a platformer like Mario? lol Other fighting games like Super Smash? Cart Racers like Mario Kart? Where does this mayhem end lol

[@JabroniBoy]

Incredible thumbnail

[@kmessina85]

I dont even have a Ps5 but I want the anniversary edge

[@Robballler]

Sony needs to get these PS Direct servers ready for next week. The PS5 Pro was probably going to sell out and scalped to start but now we have the 30th anniversary bundle the website is about to get nuked with traffic. All we can do is try good luck on there 26th best friends!!

[@mr88nyc]

Yeah, I’m genuinely pissed that they are opening preorders for all these limited editions on the same day as the Pro. It’s going to make the website a nightmare next Thursday.

[@realrobrose]

Nintendo/TPC watched the money pile up.

[@Minednam]

I played palworld for 10-15 hours. I had fun. But that game had no soul. They just bought/copied assets and implemented basic survival progression features. It worked so more power to them. I just don’t like how gamers champion shit like that as if that should be the future of the games industry. Enshrouded is a similar game with a lot more heart.

[@quizkill]

palworld did creature collecting better than pokemon. nintendo/pokemon company got salty and sued the better product.

[@philbarton2832]

That's irrelevant, Palworld is profiting off Pokemon's mechanic's so Nintendo have every right to be aggrieved

[@christopherallen355]

Aren't the shin magami tennsi games pokemon with demons, even breeding

[@Scirocco0523]

Yes. And they are incredible

[@Greekanese31]

These are two games in the same genre but outside of genre standards the two are not similar. And there is no breeding in SMT; you do the opposite, you fuse demons together

[@Hugop_arts]

I think there's two important points -1 Copyright, IP and Patent laws work differently in Japan - where the lawsuit is being litigated - than USA, and their understanding of patent is different than ours - to the point that the final portion of TPC/Nintendo statement talks about protecting the IP. -2 Worth remembering that the CEO of PocketPair has been outspoken about designing games that sell, leveraging trends and mechanics that will help them do that. So saying that they'll defend their stance " to ensure that indie game developers are not hindered or discouraged from pursuing their creative ideas" is pure BS as it wasn't a creative endeavor, it was a money-making focused one (and yes I know every game is ALSO a money-making endeavor).

[@MellowFelloh]

May be money focused but they still put out a good product. Might not be your cup of tea but tons of people enjoyed it especially over most recent Pokemon games. It's a game that transforms from a survival game to a Pokemon game and late game it's almost Monster Hunter like.

[@codybishop7526]

All game dev is a money making endeavor, but you ironically are defending a multi billion dollar company from preventing others from competing against game mechanics

[@Hugop_arts]

@@codybishop7526 Like I mentioned, patent works differently in Japan, where the case is being litigated, than in the US and it may or may not have anything to do with mechanics at all. And I am not defending the company itself but as an artist working on the game's industry I am denouncing the practice of PocketPair of utilizing unlawfully work of other artists - just like I was calling out Bungie last week when they ripped off the art of a fan in a gun skin. I'm not pro or against any company per-se, I'm pro-artist rights and protections

[@Hugop_arts]

@@MellowFelloh Oh for sure. I'm not denegrating the quality of the product in the slightest - and the sales speak for themselves. We need more AAA-like monster catching experiences that inovate and push the genre further to light a bit of a fire under TPC/Nintendo's ass to push the Pkmn games forward and I'm glad PalWorld started that. However that cant and shouldnt be done while circumventing the creative process and legal compliance in order to get their product to market faster/cheaper/coast on the "pokemon with guns" comparison. Both companies should be held accountable

[@MellowFelloh]

@drakedrago2339 the model thing was faked. The person who started that outright said he made it all up

[@TooTallGamer]

Bought a PS4 Pro because the original was a jet engine, and kinda badly built machine. It made sense to buy the Pro. But this time around, i dont see why to buy a console with incremental power boost, without disc drive and i dont have any issues with my current PS5, its not a jet engine or anything. I think this time around Sony made a Pro version a pointless upgrade and a money grab.

[@cronos12_psn]

Kinda funny is getting further and further from actual games related anything. The fact that they didnt even look into what the lawsuit was (that ots about patents for game mechanics versus trademarked characters) but still talked about their opinion... maybe take some of the time talking about Ben's bday, neck shaving, and in and out to actually look into some of the news stories? I used to like the irrelavent side talk back when they actually had some insight still into news, but the actual game news side gets shallower with each year.

[@spartacus18954]

ever hear of a game called craftopia? uses the exact same mechanic. I can tell you now. Most people (especially KF) don't give AF. They will just continue to consume. They just want their switch 2 and janky pokemon game that will come with it.

[@capellozapellini6074]

The Nav Mesh / models controversy for Palworld and pokemon was fake. Admitted by the person who faked it. No grounds there lol

[@Hugop_arts]

That's a misrepresention of the story: -The author didn't "fake" them. What people were claiming as an admittance that they were faked was an escalation of when the author of the post confirmed they re-scaled (PROPORTIONALLY, btw) the models to be able to overlap/line them up. That is what we in the industry call "non-destructive" and you don't even need to be on a 3D modeling program to do that, you can do it in engine and it doesn’t affect the overall mesh, much less topology. The same comparisons that went viral were replicated by others and verified as such.

[@brendanroe8604]

Not good news.. pkmn needs to just step it up instead

[@Hugop_arts]

I think both are valid points. Ideally the success and hunger of people for a game like PalWorld shows Pokemon Company that they need to step up, and their success fosters more AAA tackles at the genre. However the need for pokemon to step up shouldn't give PalWorld a freepass to circumvent the creative process and legal compliance in order to get their product to market faster/cheaper/coast on the "pokemon with guns" comparison. Both should be held accountable

[@codybishop7526]

Patenting “throwing a ball that catches a monster is an open field” is such a corporate thing to do. Prevent competition in the game space by cutting out anyone from mimicking a game mechanic. And you defend a billion dollar company?

[@Hugop_arts]

@@codybishop7526 I mentioned in another comment but Patent laws in japan - where the case is being litigated - work differently and this may not be related to a game mechanic at all. And I am not defending the company itself but as an artist working on the game's industry I am denouncing the practice of PocketPair of utilizing unlawfully work of other artists - just like I was calling out Bungie last week when they ripped off the art of a fan in a gun skin. I'm not pro or against any company per-se, I'm pro-artist rights and protections

[@R0ndras]

"indie game developers" This people literally started a venture together with Sony and some other company, they're not indie in any way

[@ItzShowtime6988]

Microsoft flight simulator 2024 talk today with Mike and parris and there helicopter ride iver the grand canyon

[@Crazeyd0g]

If it only takes a memberberry triggering color scheme to sell a over priced mid gen upgrade bundle than it's a garantee the PS6 will be 1000 dollar minimum at launch...

[@BeastModeGaming2013]

The Playstation Pro is coming bundled with the Duel Sense Edge they said it in the presentation.

[@CrossOutBryce]

No they didn't

[@philbarton2832]

First I'm hearing of this which leads me to believe you're talking out of your ass

[@codybishop7526]

Lame Pokémon company, can’t innovate so they patent game mechanics to block others from competing

[@Hugop_arts]

@drakedrago2339 exactly. Cassette Beasts, TemTem, Nexomon, Coromon... many others have existed - including on Nintendo platforms - just fine. The reality is that Patent/IP/Copyright laws work differently in Japan - where the case is being litigated - than in the US, so the fact that those others haven't been sued highlights that it is not about monster catching mechanics as, if it was, TPC/Nintendo would've previously sued those to contend that they're protecting their patent (in a USA view of how patent works). It will likely be an amalgamation of copyright, IP, and potentially mechanical similarities + online sentiment to prove their point of patent infringement

[@darksteel913]

Wait to see what they are actually sewing over before making broad assumptions with no understanding of the law.

[@Andrenden]

The thing is, Palworld isn’t Pokemon with guns. It’s Ark with Pokemon skins on the dinosaurs. Pokemon is trying to claim patent on an Ark Survival clone. Nintendo shouldn’t win this. This honestly is a case of indies fighting the cooperation. As cringe as you think that last line was, it’s 100% true. Nintendo needs to be stopped in this case. TemTem is a literal Pokemon game. Where was Nintendo? The fact it’s not a COPYRIGHT claim but rather based on PATENTS is wild.

[@Hugop_arts]

That is half the point. Cassette Beasts, TemTem, Nexomon, Coromon... many others have existed - including on Nintendo platforms - just fine. The reality is that Patent/IP/Copyright laws work differently in Japan - where the case is being litigated - than in the US, so the fact that those others haven't been sued highlights that it is not about monster catching mechanics as, if it was, TPC/Nintendo would've previously sued those to contend that they're protecting their patent (in a USA view of how patent works). It will likely be an amalgamation of copyright, IP, and potentially mechanical similarities + online sentiment to prove their point of patent infringement

[@u.k6547]

If no one your wronged andy on the 3d models lining up then the person who first posted them admitted to faking it

[@Hugop_arts]

Lemme "you're wrong" you then: -The author didn't "fake" them, the author re-scaled (PROPORTIONALLY, btw) the models to be able to overlap/line them up. That is what we in the industry call "non-destructive" and you don't even need to be on a 3D modeling program to do that, you can do it in engine. The same comparisons that went viral were replicated by others and verified as such.

[@u.k6547]

@@Hugop_arts oh my bad then. Yeah then that does seem pretty damning. Odd they’re leading with patent infringement though.

[@Hugop_arts]

@@u.k6547 I mentioned on another comment, but patent/ip/copyright works differently in japan - where it is being litigated - than in the US, so it may/may not involve mechanics at all or they might be just a small portion of the overall patent infringement case

[@exteamrocketgrunt6070]

Friendly but necessary reminder that Nintendo does NOT develop the Pokémon games. Crazy how people still think this in the year 2024.

[@Hugop_arts]

Good reminder, but at least in this case of the lawsuit, it was indeed a joint filing of The Pokemon Company AND Nintendo as two separate entities

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