Nintendo Reveals Huge Zelda Timeline Update!

The Zelda Timeline has after over 9 years seen an update that connects multiple Zelda games and revives the timeline!
#Zelda #tearsofthekingdom #echoesofwisdom
Footage help: / @trollsquad57
Music Credits - Tim De Man Zelda: Echoes of Wisdom Main Theme Piano
• Zelda: Echoes of Wisdo...
Follow us on Twitter! / commonrealm
Support us on Patreon!: / commonrealm
Subscribe to Commonwealth Realm:
bit.ly/Commonrealm

[@commonwealthrealm]

Will the original Old Zelda timeline be saved by future top down games from Grezzo or will the Open Air Zelda team finally take the importance of a connected storyline to heart by the end of the decade?

[@hichaelhyers]

Or maybe they are of the opinion that it is not important and view the games as unique legends?

[@Punchable-Face]

I hope not. Because as fun as Zelda alor is, your essentially boxing yourself in for creative growth.. it'll get redundant. By the way, I still believe the Switch 2 will be released in 2026..

[@grawman67]

Which makes sense. I just enjoy the lore being connected and I know a lot of others do so it stinks from that perspective. But it does limit the team​@@hichaelhyers

[@Miguel-jq6ol]

I hope so I like the idea of it following on from a link to the pasts hyrule, especially with both it and link between worlds its like a trilogy of games in that same kingdom. Tbh there was a small part of me that wanted them to put it before breath of the wild and after the og calamity, its not a perfect placement but idk 10000 year gaps sound grand and epic but with it all being a reset timeline (in essence I like the convergence theory) I want some actual history there to fill the space.

[@LainK1978]

Or are you going to stop pretending that Breath of the Wild enters of the Kingdom are not already in the timeline. You just don't like where they are.

[@shinyy187]

A game that takes place during the war before ocarina of time would be cool. Or after spirit tracks. There’s a lot they could do with that

[@King_Shuni]

The war in tears of the kingdom past is from ocarina of time when Link met Zelda for the first time as a kid and Ganondorf is consulting with the king. Sonia being Zelda’s from oot mother and rauru is already dead. by time Link pull the sword and turned into an adult he meets him first

[@rmsgrey]

@@King_Shuni Ah yes, I remember all the Secret Stones being handed out in Ocarina... No, wait, that didn't happen. Ah, so ten-year-old Link in Ocarina is around a hundred years old and that game's Ganondorf is the replacement for the Ganondorf sealed under the TotK Hyrule Castle... No, that doesn't work for several reasons. Perhaps you could explain your theory more clearly?

[@mrgreatbigmoose]

One game idea, you play as Link's Father in a OOT prequel. Another game idea, you become the Hero's Shade.

[@mmstick]

@@King_Shuni The war in Tears of the Kingdom's past is not related to the war in Ocarina of Time / Link to the Past. Zelda's director clarified that in an interview.

[@isaac_aren]

I would kill for a sequel to Spirit Tracks that still had trains. Yes I know the tracks are all gone by the end but I can dream

[@linkzelda9734]

Since Anouma accepted the criticism of Totk narrative, I'm confident that upcoming open air zelda games will follow the original timeline more closely.

[@SalvableRuin]

So, now there are 2 timelines, one with TOTK's story and one with the original story?

[@pedrofrezza5314]

botw and totk were never outside the timeline. There were plenty of references and hints to make fans theorize about it.

[@realgamer3948]

@@pedrofrezza5314 Just because they're references from past games doesn't make them connected. The wild games treat the OG timeline as myths rather than actual events that occurred in the past.

[@pedrofrezza5314]

@@realgamer3948 and thats how they should be. hints and references are the best method to make us speculate while keeping storylines connected

[@LainK1978]

The only people thinking that causes problems with the original timeline are those who have not been paying attention to the lore in either of the two games.

[@AngelPerez-tu1nk]

Considering how vague BotW/ToTk's placement on the timeline was, I imagined Nintendo would just keep making the placement of new games equally vague. It would free them a lot, we have to admit.

[@LainK1978]

Nintendo was never vague about the placement of either BotW or TotK. They were very clear about their placement. They are at the very end of all timelines to the point where there could be tens of thousands of years between them and the rest of the timeline. When and how the timelines merge into one again is the only vague thing.

[@mkjjoe]

@@LainK1978 Yeah so it's vague, I don't think anyone questioned it was in the future. Extra confusion stems from TOTK repeating "first king" and "Hyrule foundation", Fujibayashi merely acknowledging the re-founding theory as a possibility but not confirming, and Master Works expanding on lore as early as the world's genesis with the Goddesses, Hylia and secret stones (not including EOW lore) but omitting other games and the Triforce (though we know it's represented several times in game).

[@Gigi4u]

​@@mkjjoe I hope the trifoce returns in the next 3d zelda game. It's absence in TOTK was strange especially with all the trifoce imagery in the two games. We did finally get Ganondorf and dungeons after years long hiatus so I hope we see elements like the trifoce return next. I don't want the next game to just be open world OOT, it of course should be a very different and distinct game but it should have elements from older titles integrated in itself. It should be similar to how dungeons and Proper dungeon bosses came back in TOTK after being absent in BOTW.

[@mkjjoe]

@@Gigi4u Proper dungeons didn't really come back but I get what you mean, I hope they adapt more fleshed out aspects of older games into the modern open world. EOW was a nice in-between with a better structure.

[@lux0rd01]

​@@mkjjoefor both totk and botw I personally look at it more as its own timeline like a multiverse rather than part of the existing timeline

[@Ardod]

Not only a confirmation that EoW is in the downfall timeline, but also a confirmation that Null is alive in the child and adult timelines.

[@calvinbrinenestoris2357]

He could also theoretically still be alive in the downfall timeline. The Triforce uses the power of the Golden Goddesses to grant its wishes, and the Goddesses themselves were unable to fully destroy Null, they had to imprison him inside of a planet. So it's entirely possible, maybe even likely, that Link and Zelda's wish on the Triforce wasn't able to destroy Null entirely.

[@rmsgrey]

It's also confirmation that the Royal Family in Ocarina got their legends wrong, that sometime after Link Between Worlds the Master Sword and the three Pendants were lost and forgotten, along with the name "Triforce" (but not its power and connection with the Golden Goddesses), and that the Still World is not the Sacred Realm, nor Twilight Realm, nor Depths, nor Termina, nor Lorule, but is yet another different warped reflection of Hyrule. We can also deduce that Null didn't actually start opening rifts for a very, very long time after being imprisoned - a civilisation of sentient robots emerged in the Lanayru region, working with timeshift stones, died after being attacked by Bokoblins, and the region, including the Lanayru Sea, was swallowed by desert, so, at the least, centuries passed. Then after the events of Skyward Sword, a significant period of time passed before Ocarina, in which time all the business with the Picori happened, and at some point the Royal Family learned that the Triforce would split when touched by someone unbalanced. Then another long period passes before the maidens descended from the ancient sages (and which of the maidens are descended from Ruto, from Darunia, and particularly from the ageless child Saria?) are captured by Agahnim for Ganon in LttP. Another century or two passes before LBW. And in all that time, no-one ever finds a Might Crystal, nor are there any signs of rifts nor of Tri and their friends. Then Null starts actually opening rifts. So what were they doing for the thousands of years before that?

[@DemonicAdj]

​@rmsgrey Eating Tris. Or at least, taking a very long time taking chunks out of the land (maybe why it changes so much between games?) Before hatching the plan to hijack the power of the Tris to make Null's own Echoes. Rifts might be happening all the time, but Tri says they never used to get that big. So the repairs were just so fast that nobody noticed.

[@rmsgrey]

@@DemonicAdj But when a rift is repaired, it leaves Might Crystals behind, so they should have been littering the landscape if rifts had been appearing.

[@DemonicAdj]

@@rmsgrey maybe they're proportional to the size of the rift? They'd still appear, but it would be small, weird rocks. Funny gravel. I wonder if they got used for other things, or if they were just regarded as a curiosity? It was Lueberry that figured out that they were really useful against dark echo creatures, but those weren't a factor until the rifts were getting noticeable.

[@AidanBurnett-y8g]

All I really want is for Zelda’s one and two to be remade so that they are actually playable

[@stripeback2024]

Inb4 "we already have that, it's the open world games". (Real talk, I'd love to see the first two games reimagined.)

[@AidanBurnett-y8g]

@ its crazy how links awakening has 2 remakes and the first game has 0

[@hist150project5]

The problem is those games are so primitive that in order for a remake to do well they would have to be reimagined to the point that it's basically a new game.

[@stripeback2024]

@@hist150project5 Some things would have to be reworked, but not everything. The premise of each game (reassembling the Triforce of Wisdom to fight Ganon in Zelda 1 and the long trial to obtain the Triforce of Courage in Zelda 2) wouldn't need to change at all for instance.

[@DemonKingNemo]

​@@AidanBurnett-y8g Links Awakening wasn't remade twice

[@nworder4life]

With all the obvious connections to ALTTP Hyrule, this was an easy 1 for Nintendo to place. The fact that we even got a placement for a brand new game, is very heartening that Aounuma actually cares about making future games with a timeline in mind. Maybe now we can actually get some consistent storytelling.

[@TrinexxSlayer]

to be fair, hyrule is fairly consistent with how the land marks are placed around. it's usually just villages and the lost woods that move around.

[@kish45]

Now if only the next Zelda update is Wind Waker and Twilight Princess coming to the Switch.

[@robertw31968]

I would be so happy

[@av_8596]

And hopefully a way for us to play the 3ds games as well.

[@thegamingbean953]

I have a feeling those 2 are coming to the switch 2 so we can play them in 60 fps 1080p

[@kish45]

@ That’s fine so long as they can also be played on the Switch 1 cause otherwise if they end up being Switch 2 exclusive then they need to make it also available for not just for the Switch 2 but also the switch 1 since I do not want to have to wait around 4 years after the switch 2’s release for it to be cheaper and have most of it’s earlier bugs taken care just to play Wind Waker and Twilight Princess that would be completely unfair.

[@kish45]

@@thegamingbean953 Plus I would rather have Wind Waker and Twilight Princess be released on the regular Switch over the successor in 60 fps and 1080p since the they would fit in my Switch game case that holds around 70 game cartridges while be released on the successor I would have to get a switch 2 game case.

[@ScottClark50]

"Respecting that they are connected" is a wild thing to say about BOTW/TOTK

[@ewe6096]

Why do they need to be connected. Different play style, different universe.

[@p055am]

​@@ewe6096different play style? Are we talking about the same botw and totk?

[@four-en-tee]

The Legend of Zelda timeline really is a "choose your own adventure" from Nintendo's standpoint.

[@insanemakaioshin]

I want a game about merging the 3 timelines set before the TotK past segments and another game as a sequel to Skyward Sword, focusing on the building of Hyrule and defeating the Interloper army led by Majora, with the Picori blade.

[@calvinbrinenestoris2357]

If only... Just keep in mind that these stories would need to presented in a way so that they work on their own plot-wise, even if they do use lore from other games. That way, newer players won't be left in the dark.

[@stdesy]

Yeah, a game explaining the merge would really help. Not to mention make me so damn happy

[@Rose-yx6jq]

I say that Hyrule Warriors should be canon.

[@calvinbrinenestoris2357]

@@Rose-yx6jq Didn't everyone go home after the events of that game?

[@Rose-yx6jq]

@calvinbrinenestoris2357 yes but there was a Game Theory episode that explained to very thoroughly that the events of the game very concisely would provide plenty of evidence of why and how all of the timelines converge through the events of the story.

[@tynettedyer8605]

I wish they would make a zelda game that goes through multiple timelines. Imagine going to tp time then ocarina's, botw, skyward swords...

[@JasonMiller-rp8cp]

Not exactly what your looking for but how about Hyrule Warriors?

[@DemonicAdj]

The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Ages.

[@calvinbrinenestoris2357]

@@tynettedyer8605 This would be AWESOME, although since Ocarina and Skyward Sword are pre-split and BOTW is post-split, those most likely wouldn't be included. In reality, you'd likely be traveling between Twilight Princess Hyrule, Wind Waker Hyrule, and A Link To the Past/NESZelda's Hyrule.

[@JakeRider-gl8fo]

God, I'm so glad Nintendo doesn't listen to fans. You all have the worst ideas

[@calvinbrinenestoris2357]

@@JakeRider-gl8fo World hopping? I feel like that would be a good next step for open-air Zelda.

[@francoperalta5986]

Its not like Echoes of Wisdom's placement wasn't obvious. They're using AlttP hyrule for the 3rd time, and its been expanded and built upon. Think thats the first cue that A Link Between Worlds preceded it.

[@firionkaiser8291]

4th time if you count ancient stone tablets

[@TheCatWatches]

I still think an Elder Scrolls Daggerfall Warp of the West situation happened where Ganon became so powerful he bridged the 3 timelines and merged with his consciousness from all 3 timelines and thus gained memories of all 3, and became Ganondorf during King Rauru’s reign, named after the Sage of Light Rauru, and became Calamity Ganon after his battle with Rauru. BOTW and TOTK have elements of all 3 timelines, and the landscape of Hyrule looks like all 3 versions of Hyrule collided together. Merged Timeline

[@reifuTD]

What might be fun, if they remake/retell Zelda 2 but as either an expansive top down or a 3D open air game. Also I'd recon the connection between Zelda 1 and Zelda 2 or combine the games stories where you play Zelda 1, you finish it and find your self in the expanded world of Zelda 2. But yeah there a a lot they could do with a Zelda 1/2 retelling.

[@NitwitsWorld]

A remake bundle pack for both games would be a genius move on their part 😅

[@devonm042690]

You can't retcon the connection between Zelda 1 and Zelda 2, Zelda 2 is a direct sequel to Zelda 1. A major part of the story of Zelda 2 is that Link still has the Triforce of Wisdom that he reforged throughout the first game and the Triforce of Power that he got from Ganon's ashes at the end of the first game. That whole quest is him proving himself worthy of claiming the Triforce of Courage Heck, the map of Zelda 1 even recognizably exists in Zelda 2, albeit not in the same state.

[@artemi7]

i'd love to see Zelda 1&2 in a combined remake, sequentially told, using the LA/EOW engine. With the way the top down games handle side scrolling and top down action neatly in the same system, you could rebuild them both very well in the engine!

[@yasmeens.h9846]

When I saw the EoW's timeline placement I immediately thought we are approaching the golden era mentioned in Zelda 2. I would really like to see a game where the entire scheme surrounding the hidden Triforce is expanded upon. What kind of terrible thing happened that would lead the King or Queen of Hyrule to hide part of the Triforce? Something worthy of a full game. An adventure, where Hyrule is saved from a catastrophe and the decision to split the Triforce is made.

[@enforcerridley158]

To be honest, this timeline placement is obvious. But this is another check against people claiming there is no Zelda Timeline, but they'll continue to cope.

[@rmsgrey]

I've never come across anyone claiming that there is no document published by Nintendo that's labeled as the Zelda Timeline. What I have seen plenty of is people pointing out that the official Zelda timeline is nonsense.

[@abuttnugget6753]

@@rmsgrey Never heard of ZFG eh?

[@DillonMaynard]

​@@rmsgreyThere have always been tons of people who still claim that the timeline isn't technically real and that it only exists to appease the fans

[@theaverageguy3295]

​@DillonMaynard my personal opinion on the timeline is i don't think they're actually timeliness but rather each game is a legend being told. Some games being direct sequels of others could be someone adding to a story someone else has said. Like campfire stories

[@DillonMaynard]

@@theaverageguy3295 That one's cool. It's more of a metatextual interpretation, and pretty much what BOTW proposes.

[@DethJeff365]

I honestly hate the “open ended” placement that both botw and totk have, and people at Nintendo purposely KEEPING it vague absolutely REEKS of lazy writing

[@Axecon1]

The Zelda team works on concepts & gameplay first, then will take story and lore into consideration afterwards. The timeline has always been an afterthought. If a game connects to the known timeline easily, then that works out great, as in the case of Zelda Echoes of Wisdom. If not, then it simply doesn't (Zelda BOTW/TOTK).

[@tails230]

I would like to see what caused Hyrule at the beginning lore of TOTK/BOTW into the state it became before The Zonai came to bring a new Hyrule. I always imagined something big happened, that turned the legends of old into forgotten myths. Perhaps some kind of great cataclysm.

[@rilstrup83]

Yes

[@agamernamedjoe]

Honestly the placement of Echoes of Wisdom being after Link between worlds makes the most sense to me

[@n1nj4l1nk]

It makes no sense at all being after ALBW. Go look at the desert section that's in ALttP, EoW and ALBW.

[@SalvableRuin]

A Link Between Worlds*

[@DemonicAdj]

​@n1nj4l1nk Ganon, though. Nobody in EoW knows who the heck that is. He's just "that blue creature". And the implications of the Still World causing things to fade suggests that Ganon may no longer be with us. (And he doesn't have the Triforce of Power, the whole thing was at the end of EoW)

[@robingrooms7534]

THIS IS A GOOD DAY FRIENDS! Echoes of Wisdom deserves to go down in series history for giving so many of us hope for the longevity of Zelda going forward. Of course there's no telling how meticulous or careful the open air titles will be for greater Zelda, but after 10 years this is the first time I'm feeling like the Zelda team might not want to leave the good that came before in the dust. EoW isn't a perfect game but the effort to maintain balance with old and new still feels nothing short of miraculous. I know for a fact I will be able to appreciate the Wild era more if I know it wasn't a death knell for 2D Zelda, Zelda worldbuilding, and Zelda dungeons.

[@lynoxc1231]

I love that the island castle echos through to wind waker with their almost island peninsula castle theme. As if gannon taking the castle in OoT actually did something to pre Hyrule.

[@LSSTyranus]

would be amazing to see a Zelda game in the future where all timelines converge...

[@eraticfx]

I would love one that goes thru all of them... a peak of everyone of them. Its time Zelda got their Multiverse On lol

[@leegregory7893]

I always felt it fit the most after either triforce heroes or after link between worlds based on the landmarks, references to a link to the past and a link between worlds dungeons. Also you see links house that was being built in a link to the past and completed in a link between worlds and it's still there in echos untouched. Helps explain the start of the legend of zelda on nes also since she is in a coma for spoiler reasons shown in this game. I wonder if this link is the same link as a link between worlds and triforce hero making it a trio game of the same link or is this link basically a prequel to the nes games for obvious reasons while also being another trio of the same link. Im happy the timeline is still around as its so important. Imagine if they remake both of the nes games after this for the switch 2 and fully give it the awakening/echos treatment. Basically revamping them to a different style. Especially the adventures of link which needs it bad. Maybe combine the first 2 games into one bigger game where once you beat the first game and technically start the second game hyrule opens up more. Expand on the lore and such.

[@sodajesus8128]

See where I would place BotW and TotK, isn't in the timeline, there's a big reason for this. Cause Skyward Sword also has a Dragon Break, cause the Hero of the Skies destroyed the Imprisoned, and then went back in time and sealed Demise within the Master Sword. That created an alternate timeline where Skyward Sword in that timeline never happened, the Triforce is still hidden, Link and Zelda either they weren't needed and waited to be seen after the Skyloftian's either went to the ground or Hylia knew it had been time to put the island's from the sky to the ground. Cause the Triforce is never seen without it being a symbol that the Royal family has and the design's of their outfits. The only time you actually see the Triforce is when Zelda calls upon her sealing power to lock away Calamity Ganon and when she blasts the Calamity before it vanishes completely, it could also be seen that the Triforce had also been in Zelda the entire time cause Link and Ganondorf in TotK never get the piece's of the Triforce as they usual have. Zelda had the full set and made a wish secretly to protect the one's she love, it's how she kept Calamity Ganon sealed away with her age and appearance changing. Think about it, those in Skyloft due to Demise being gone within that timeline could of been turned to Zonai to help those below, and Hylian's soon came to be as when you look into the past they seem a bit more primal but reasonable as they are looking to survive. The Secret Stone's can't really be the Triforce as in each game when there is a chunk of the Triforce found it wasn't called a stone nor did it had different colors unlike the Secret Stone's, it may of been their way to keep the Triforce out as it is still hidden away in that temple no where to be seen again. There's no mention of it in the history or their books as usual of the Golden Treasure to grant any wish, why isn't there? Because the Hero of the Skies who went into the past to seal Demise that past created an alternate timeline to never mention the Triforce once again. It's only shown twice in BotW and never shown in TotK, so I have a strong theory and idea that Ganondorf in TotK isn't the same Ganondorf from the other timelines cause they knew of the Triforce however if they were all "connected" then wouldn't TotK's Ganondorf know of it and not of these Secret Stone's? Like wouldn't someone go after the thing that can give wishes rather than giving power and if Ganondorf controlled the Triforce he'd be the ruler no matter what, cause have it back in BotW where his minion's the monster's be looking through it since they can spread all over, and even have the Guardian's look for it. So TotK's Ganondorf isn't the same as the one's we see in other timeline's, Zelda has the Triforce which she believes is her sealing power having woken up then went dormant after keeping the Calamity away for a hundred years, and Link having the Master sword and in BotW it's the only time Fi communicates to Zelda as it may of been the time she has been woken up after the Hero of the Sky placed her in the stone. It kind of makes sense, cause think about the one who first sealed the Calamity away. The golden blonde priestess born with the Blood of the Goddess and then the Red headed Hero with the Master Sword who sealed away the Calamity 10,000 years before that. As we know Link and Zelda in any timeline remain the same, blonde to dirty blonde hair, blue eyes, and a Hylian a tad different looks yes but, it's only in BotW and TotK that Link wasn't in the same form when fighting and sealing the Calamity then with red hair and being a hybrid Zonai, and with it being shown that the Priestess has the Triforce but no one knows what it is and assumes it is just how their sealing magic looks.

[@firionkaiser8291]

Its supposed to be a closed loop. (Its not perfect but it is a closed loop).

[@sodajesus8128]

@@firionkaiser8291 That's the thing, even if it was a closed loop, and looking at where the original Temple of time is in Skyward, it doesn't match up. Feron in Skyward Sword is exactly where Feron is in BotW and TotK, however there is no marks or structures. However going up Northwest you can find that statue used to hit the Imprisoned, so it's one of those it they could say it's a closed loop it's case close but it isn't and however, there is another break in Time it would make completely sense since that Goddess Statue is Northwest instead of it being in Faron. You can even say they are trying to remove the one Iconic thing as well which is the Triforce, but you can see the symbol on clothing and etc. But the only reason the Triforce hadn't been found is because it had never been retrieved and pieced together in Skyward Sword, so no one in BotW's or TotK's know of it and there is no history of it even if you see it in BotW. You see it in Impa's house on the stone, the second time you see it is Zelda having her sealing powers become active, and the last time is Zelda exhausting it's power removing the Calamity. I say this cause any game after Skyward Sword besides some, the Triforce is always mention. Land marks, history, and such always point out thing's it also makes sense if BotW isn't at the bottom of the list but rather above cause the only time BotW and TotK's landscape changes is by the 2 big event's happening. The Calamity and the Upheaval. Now I'm not saying it's wrong and everything else is wrong, it's just logically thinking I believe and it's a theory cause of where everything is placed with the Goddess Statue being Northwest instead of in Faron it's one critical area they seemed to have forgotten.

[@firionkaiser8291]

@sodajesus8128 i mean the locations are gonna line up 1:1 for everything

[@sodajesus8128]

@@firionkaiser8291 It doesn't line up that's what I mean, look at Skyward Sword's Map then BotW's map. Faron Wood's lines up. However the giant Goddess statue doesn't line up. It's northwest of where it should have landed in Faron, it's up in the snowy region not in Faron. So it fell somewhere else if Hylia brought the islands in the sky down.

[@firionkaiser8291]

@@sodajesus8128 I get what you're saying but my main point was that geography doesn't really mean much when it comes to Zelda. Truthfully it never has.

[@lukejones7164]

A Zelda game that takes place during the Interloper War would be awesome

[@novustalks7525]

Aoc/botw/totk are the reunification timeline

[@themattster]

Hearing that they'll be making more open world TLOZ games makes me seriously wonder how they're going to top TOTK

[@foghammer9767]

I'm waiting on Ganondorf to get the Bowser treatment. One of these numerous ancient evils (Null, Malice, Demise, whatever...) comes along, and is actually more of a threat than Zelda and Link can handle, which makes it by default more than Ganon can handle. So he teams up with them. I imagine it would be less tongue-in-cheek than the Mario games does it, though. Maybe the new evil does something that messes with the reincarnation cycle, so Zelda is the one that is born evil and Link and Ganondorf have to team up to reset the cycle, leading to a heart-wrenching sacrifice by Ganondorf, who (with the power of the triforce, in the end) sees all of the evil his predecessors have done in the end, and gives himself up to retake his place in the reincarnation cycle so that Zelda doesn't have to suffer in that way. Not that I've given it any thought.

[@polleonardtaliesinhywel6986]

I would love to see a Zelda game that has a trinity of world-ending villains based on the Nihon San Dai Aku Yokai (Three Most Evil Yokai of Japan) and shows the point of reconvergence or recreation by the Goddesses at or towards the end of the game. Maybe have a Hero, a Priestess/Princess, and a Sage surviving from each of the three timelines as playable characters, working together (possibly across parallel timelines) to fight back would make for an interesting epic, I would think.

[@stripeback2024]

The Skull Kid is already a more sympathetic Shuten-doji when you think about it.

[@foghammer9767]

This could be really interesting! Especially if they are reimagined as some kind of foil-version of the triforce trio. (It's a shame that the three aspects of the triforce don't lend themselves to threatening opposites [impotence, foolishness, and cowardice don't make for strong villains].)

[@joeybailey2299]

I still like the idea that the timeline that we know and love, changes with ever top down zelda because those games take place in the time of legends, and that bow and totk take place thousand of years or even millions of years from the time of legends, and somehow someway all the timelines converge into one timeline at some point to bring us bow and totk timeline

[@bushwickerman]

the cadence between your videos never changes huh? ahah no hate. im sure theres people who love the consistency. good content!

[@lynoxc1231]

I love the juxtaposition to the capcom era. I grew up there, and while I haven't gotten to EoW, it hits diffferent.

[@Chezmeralda]

I wish that the wild/tears era games gets worked in tbh. Honestly, it could work. They put so much space between the beginning of that history and where the last of the mainline games ends that it could still be done. If you think about the beginning of skyward sword, there's implications of a successful era with hylia before her battle with demise, seen in the sections with all the time stones and the little robots. The beginning of the wilds era feels a lot like that, because there's the era of the zonai before new Hyrule's founding with Rauru and Sonia, and then the era of the sheikah thousands of years before the start of botw. I don't think they would be thinking about how to connect those games right now, but i really hope they do, especially with echoes implying that the people of Hyrule don't know that the symbol of the goddesses as the Triforce, and the lack of mentioning it in the wilds era. It's still present obviously, because zelda has it, but she doesn't even know what it's called, she refers to it as a sealing power, sonia called it a sacred power. They should definitely build more on the Triforce fading into history. It might even be a great way to explain how the 3 branches merge, causing the erasure of that history. Idk i just really want those games to fit lol I love all of the zelda games so much so i really don't want them to be disconnected from each other

[@simonhughes2902]

My favorite part of this is the news of more top down games, pretty much everyone was saying they should just do alternating releases to give have lots of Zelda but you never have to feel like it's the same thing again and again

[@Avain_Sielu]

2 Things I wished for 1. Make Hyrule Warrios Canon. Because even though something like that did't directly happen in Hyrule Warriors. We see the Gate of Souls would be capable of a Timeline Merge like the implied BotW Timeline 2. The Conformation Open Air and 2D will coexist. I wished we would have a conformation of a third Team working on traditional 3D Zeldas

[@DaveMarx-te2rs]

It's almost like there's someone on Zelda Team watching youtubers for ideas

[@danield1262]

A game set in all 3 timelines would be cool and crazy! You could hop between them and they would have different styles(top-down, realistic and cel shade toon style). It should end with the merging of the 3 timelines into the 1 that leads into botw

[@Americandreamofcreditdebt]

their building to a link between dimensions (timelines). Minish Cap remake but when u go mini it's top down and big mode is open world

[@mootahginger]

I hope they continue to expand and build on the timelines, it's one of the things that's hooked me to the Zelda series since playing OOT - Totk was very weird to me, I was hopeful they'd tie the original Rauru and other sages in from previous games but what they ended up coming up with lore-wise was just a mess. I love the rupee theory, thanks for mentioning that!

[@RestlessWandererOriginal]

We need an open air world filled with dungeons and ruins of dungeons which can be accessed by time travel for example, and we need more hints at older Zelda titles with recognizable ruins for example why wasn't there a mansion ruin in the Hebra region in botw and totk as a connection to tp? Missed opportunity Botw and totk had too many random ruins which all looked the same and had no meaning whatsoever

[@gabrieldiaz2058]

There should be a Zelda game where Zelda is the protagonist in the Child Link timeline (taking place right after the events of Twilight Princess) and a Zelda game where Zelda is the protagonist in the Adult Link timeline (taking place after the events of Spirit Tracks). There should also be a direct sequel to Tears of the Kingdom where Link and Zelda get married, then one day later, Zelda gets dragged to the depths by Ganondorf’s Soul who also throws Link into the sky while corrupting him with gloom and reducing him to 3 max hearts and 1 full max stamina wheel, Link then being saved from death by a Light Dragon and being taken to the Room of Recovery on an island directly above Hyrule Castle.

[@Hpyktxd]

The Northern continent in Zelda 2 really seems like it's just New Hyrule. Hopefully there's either a future game that explains the expansion, or Zelda 1 & 2 are moved to the Adult timeline.

[@markindustriez]

Where is this updated timeline? I went to the official Nintendo Zelda website and it doesn’t have EoW BotW TotK in the timeline at all. PS I’m looking at the website from my phone so maybe some stuff isn’t showing as the timeline page is a very linear page

[@Jonathan-em8ld]

What makes it easy if you consider this as a multiverse system due to specific outcomes in events. I still consider totk as a reset/new time-line of convergence.

[@DemonicAdj]

I like the convergence idea. It explains all the salt, and Hyrule's "founding" can be the cancelling out of the Flood and New Hyrule's founding.

[@stripeback2024]

@@DemonicAdj That means my favorite game isn't canon. I don't like that...

[@DemonicAdj]

@@stripeback2024 It might still be there, just unsettled. So maybe still covered in rails. The refounding seems like the way to reconcile "it was flooded, and it wasn't", and have a founding and still have a Hyrule in the same spot. Oh yeah, we've got islets named for people in Phantom Hourglass. So it sorta happened?

[@rockowlgamer631]

I wonder if they will make a game between Echoes of Wisdom and Original Zelda game, since the river Zora become enemies in the original game. I just hope we get another game where Zelda is the companion for Link and they explore Hyrule together kind of like how Bioshock Infinite did it, leaning into a Co-op game for once OR just port Spirit Tracks and update its control layout so we could play it on the next console.

[@ShadowWalker-ng1it]

well pleasantly surprised I would have wagered that even with all the connections Nitendo would still just shove echos of wisdom somewhere in the botw/totk distant past rather than between 2 older games

[@MrShockzine]

I assumed it would take place around the same time as lttp or lbw but in a different timeline.

[@mrgreatbigmoose]

I want to see a sequel to Echoes: you play as the Zelda that has to break up the TriForce of Wisdom into 8 pieces and seal them in 8 Dungeons. You will begin with all your heart pieces and have to give them up for a Hero who will one day follow. It's basically a prequel to Zelda #1.

[@firionkaiser8291]

So basically right before you start playing as Link in Zelda 1 and by that extent after the Tragedy of Princess Zelda I which happened before Zelda 1.

[@THEREALmethebat]

For those of you who have botw/totk as their first Zelda gaming experience are more likely to not care about the timeline because those games and lore are connected to liking Zelda for them. As of now they don't fit on the timeline so it isn't as important. For those of us whose initial experience with the Zelda franchise is a game that does fall into the timeline with lore from other games, we are going to hold a little more importance to the timeline and the lore. It's all a matter of perspective.

[@chooongusbug724]

I've been playing Zelda since the series first started...It's the zoomer fan base that cares about the timeline while us old heads don't, don't flip the narrative because you played your Dad's copy of Twilight Princess lol

[@THEREALmethebat]

@@chooongusbug724 I have also played since the first game and I care about the lore of the game very much. I’ve just spent more time with it. Why do you think genZers care about the lore more than us who have grown up with it?

[@GreakyGeek]

@@chooongusbug724their comment still makes sense in your case though. you started zelda when the timeline wasn't an aspect of the story and franchise. people who started playing a few years later were thrown into a world where each story is connected, and that impacted how they interacted with the franchise. now we've come full circle, where botw and totk first timers are starting with a story that isnt connected to anything so they have no interest in the timeline.

[@chooongusbug724]

@GreakyGeek the whole point is the timeline was BS, Miyamoto never cared about it and when Aonuma did try and focus on it, Zelda hit the worst era it's ever been in (GC/Wii era). Nintendo only made the timeline in HH to sell books to a small group of Zelda fans and y'all are absolutely the vocal minority when it comes to caring about it OP's point is irrelevant when they says they always cared about it, even when the first Zelda was allegedly their first game...How can you care about something that didn't exist? Homie is a zoomer who probably started with Twilight Princess or Skyward Sword because I can promise you, people my age who still play Zelda think the timeline is dumb and misses the point of Zelda in the first place

[@hist150project5]

@@chooongusbug724 The worst era of Zelda? Wind Waker and Twilight Princess are two of the best games in the series.

[@XavsLo]

what is that video showing the games' timeline hanging in banners?

[@hikaru9624]

Ain't no arguing against this since it comes from tne horse's mouth. I'm looking forward to the future of the zelda lore and timelines!

[@sammylane21]

I wish game-wise the story would match what happens in the game because I don't get how Gannon wins if Link beats him in the end of a game? Like in A Link To The Past, in this timeline Gannon wins how?

[@TrinexxSlayer]

that is a poor explanation. i prefer to use the song of storms paradox as the cause for the downfall split. if link talking to zelda in the past caused the first split why wouldn't link teaching the windmill guy the song he taught link in the future?

[@rockmanlamar]

We need a third Hero of Time game, preferably an open world like BOTW/TOTK, but without the breakable weapons, more like the weapon system on OOT/MM.

[@JanusHoW]

Considering EoW's place in the timeline, I now believe that the Ganon we get in the original NES game is an entirely different individual from the one that was in A Link to the Past, Oracles and A Link Between Worlds. From what I understand, Demise's curse is that an incarnation of him will always arise to ruin Hyrule, which means Ganon CAN reincarnate if no one resurrects him first. He may not have the memories of his previous incarnation, but he will always have that drive to conquer.

[@stripeback2024]

IIRC the curse in the Japanese script is moreso a promise that Link and Zelda's bloodlines will have to contend with the Demon Tribe eternally, which makes me think Ganon is more of a successor than a true rebirth.

[@JanusHoW]

@@stripeback2024 Fair enough, but what does that have to do with LoZ/AoL's Ganon being different from the Ganon in the rest of the Downfall timeline or not? Perhaps "Ganon" became a title for the Demon Tribe's chosen ruler and incarnation of Demise's hatred over the years, and the one who has that title always manifests as a boar demon in some form.

[@mimiquoi7380]

I am glad that the timeline is not "dead". Even If this timeline is far from perfect I am kinda attached to it

[@James-ht6fd]

Excellent. Also an OoT-esque style m studio please. Just pump more money into it

[@lynoxc1231]

Forcing a literal dragon break through TotK, Vs. Fleshing out a world youve described yet havent shown in EoW should be a solid lesson.

[@thelegendofthem6120]

I would like another mature themed Zelda game like Majoras Mask. I wouldn't mind a sequel or a part 3 which would be the war after Ocarina of Time and before Twilight Princess.

[@ryderdeston8107]

Interesting this looks really good

[@ewe6096]

I think it would be interesting if the open world Zelda games formed their own alternate Zelda universe.

[@zachtwilightwindwaker596]

I had a feeling it took place after A Link Between Worlds.

[@MaximeLafreniere433]

The placement of everything about EOW was easy to figure out, but we needed Nintendo to officialise it anyway. I must say, I didn't even consider EOW would lead to the Golden Era. I knew it was after TH, but I never imagined that the Golden Era would come right after it. Now we just have to wait for the Wild Games to have the same treatment from Nintendo. The only reason we haven't gotten an answer yet is because of TOTK. BOTW alone is easy to place, but TOTK's past complicates everything and is too tied to BOTW for them to not be placed together. (Maybe even the spin-offs will get a place, AOC at the very least should while the other main ones wouldn't be too hard).

[@PJDAltamirus0425]

Well, so... the reason timeline and plot wise why ganon is so different in EOW and ALITP compared is LOZ is because ganon has basically died in EOW and basically escaped disintegration or been revived by the triforce wish? I got the feeling in EOW that ganon is EOW is dead, this the first open a null portal with the trident and the next ganon we fight is a echo.

[@gorgeperez8313]

I believe the breath of the wild link will be the ultimate link, I believe he will solve the problems caused by all time lines, that’s why they are going back and adding stuff

[@hyper_lynx]

The Rupee theory is alright but honestly convergence always makes me a little itchy. At this point, I think a good a approach is to have the older game timeline and structure be real in the context of each older game but fictional from the context of TotK -> BotW. Making the past games fiction in the Era of Wilds games would allow for all the weird inclusions and exclusions to make sense. Skyward Sword becomes holy text for the Hylian religion. OoT becomes a retelling of the Imprisoning War, but with a new divine artifact since the Secret Stones were, well, secret. That doesn't mean the classic timeline is useless, though. If we switch into the context of those stories, we find a more mythical Hyrule with lots of real threats, real events, and real time shenanigans.

[@WoodymC]

I've played the complete LoZ franchise since the very beginning -- my summary so far: If you just enjoy the games as they are, neither timelines nor locations really matter.

[@zsurvivalist7996]

With botw and totk nintendo made it clear they didn't care much about continuity but i guess i really should pick up echoes

[@rexellate]

I wish we would get that Sheik game that focused on what Zelda / Sheik went through during the 7 years of Link's absence during Ocarina of Time.

[@rilstrup83]

Yes

[@andrewgillespie7695]

Let's see a top-down remake of the two Oracle games ... with the addition of the third, unreleased Oracle game in the same style.

[@Bad616]

Idc what anyone says I love the Zelda timeline and I hope future games are connected to it

[@derekspradling7452]

I'm low-key hoping that they just go alternate universe with this and consider tears and breath as such This way they can both disconnect from the timeline and add more with the link to the past style games.

[@matthewma6795]

I heard a theory that totk is a result of a timeline split that happened in Skyward sword which could explain why none of the games seem to fit in to it’s events

[@eslm-studios2996]

Part of me wonders if the Child & Adult Timelines will be revisited with new adventures in the future.

[@Nebulae.incarnate]

As someone who has played 3 Zelda games and doesn’t understand the timeline anyway, I just wish they had connected Twilight Princess to BOTW. I would have been happy.

[@redhallow5201]

If the rupee theory is correct, then I think we're missing a game in the time-line that ties it together.

[@colosine]

I'm against the timelines, all it does is restrict developers, the only timelines I accept in the series are direct sequels like Oot/majoras mask or botw/tok, other than that I prefer each title to be it's own unique game with easter eggs to the rest of the series

[@coryhafer7285]

Are most top down Zelda games in downfall timeline? Seems appropriate to me if so. Because that is sort of like you the player, are a divine force which is influencing the hero to help correct the world/timeline. Where as in the open world games you are the hero. As if you are in the present and the future is at risk by your actions. In downfall, the results of failure, the hero needs divine help.

[@lindenstromberg6859]

I love the open world 3D Zelda games. I love the top down Zelda games (especially the classic era ones) But I don't love the dungeon crawler 3D Zelda games from Ocarina of Time to Skyward Sword. While the other Zelda games do indeed have temples, they're almost completely about challenges and generally don't take very long, while the OoT to SS 3D Zelda games are more about wandering the dungeon and finding the key/switch - and the dungeons are much much longer than the temples of the top down Zelda games, or the shrines of modern Zelda; although, not longer because there's more to do, as most of the time the only thing you're doing is wandering around/backtracking... as though trying to find your lost car keys in a maze-like dungeon that you got tired of a long time ago. It's not the same feeling of wonder and exploration that you get from playing top down Zelda and modern 3D Zelda. In short, I love the adventure Zelda games; but I don't like the dungeon crawler Zeldas.

[@syferz]

I don't think the convergence theory is needed, putting botw and totk in the downfall timeline solves their placement just fine, the other two timelines are just over, Ganondorf is defeated in both of those and never comes back in a later game. Ganon does in four swords adventure, but that was clearly a sequel to the downfall timeline's four swords, and just sort of overlooked on the timeline IMO.

[@handgun559]

Im just surprised they havemt started a new Timeline by now. Anouma started his timeline by accidentally retconning the first directors timeline, then he started abandoning the timeline for BotK. So i really assumed they were gonna create a new timeline lol. It seemed like a natural next step. Granted, if they have ideas for the ild timeline, go for it, but the timeline definitely is restrictive, in a way. So, abandoning all thise ideas for a new timeline would work. They just need to rip off the bandaid.

[@LainK1978]

Stop pretending that Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom are not in the timeline. They are.

[@acid1225]

If they are in the timeline, where in the timeline do they fall?

[@Ahouro]

​@@acid1225The end.

[@acid1225]

@@Ahouro how are those games being at the end of the timeline fit in with contradicting backstory of Ganondorf and how Hyrule was formed?

[@Ahouro]

@acid1225 Totk Ganondorf is a reincarnation that was born after Oot Ganondorf die and Rauru's hyrule is a refounding.

[@acid1225]

@ Source: trust me bro.

[@haileeraestout5567]

I'm Hoping We See BOTH Zelda 1 And 2 Get Remake

[@bionicleguy32]

i'd love to see them make zelda 2 actually fun to play in modern times, typically strictly side scroller platformers aren't super interesting imo

[@KBroly]

I still think they made a split off of SS's ending for BotW/TotK, solely based on TotK. But I, and many people, aren't happy with how TotK handles the story/timeline.

[@bionicleguy32]

why not? you want everything to be the same all the time? why cant people just accept that its a different game. if you want the same just play other zelda games

[@flashgordon2732]

So they gotta do oot again to patch up

[@digitalchewie]

For the love of Hylia, remake A Link to the Past in the Echo's engine for Switch 2 launch.

[@alidashti2633]

Played this game and I had a great time with one of the best games of 2024 .

[@abzer0gaming]

We need a Zelda game where Zelda has a sibling. Outside of the Zelda from Adventure of Link, every Zelda has been an only child.

[@malic_zarith]

I hope that Nintendo eventually puts botw and totk at the end of all 3 timelines where we always thought it was. I just assume Ganondorf was reborn and Hyrule was refounded long after all 3.

[@ZoniferConundrum]

I thought it was confirmed a long time ago that the timelines became one once again and BOTW/TOTK take place after all the games.

[@malic_zarith]

@ZoniferConundrum There was a recent timeline that just randomly placed botw and totk on the side as if they were totally unconnected. That's what I'm referring to. One has to use some creativity to connect the lore of totk to the older games. We basically have a new Ganon and a new Hyrule in totk. Of course, the game references characters like Ruto and has tons of callbacks to the old games. It's really hard to say it's not connected.

[@Kalnaur]

@@malic_zarith So . . . something that I've seen in multiple comments here is that there's common names and concepts in the BotW/TotK games and lore that must be direct references to past games and I just . . .it makes me think of family names. Like, not surnames (i.e. last names), but families having a James, and then a second, or third, or 11th James. Or a name becoming popular because of some piece of writing. Like, how do we know that these names don't just repeat because of the ages now long past? I assumed that TotK's past happens thousands of years AFTER any of the current game in the series, and that BotW happens 10k years after that "founding" of this future time's Hyrule. Not that TotK's past happens at any time within any of the original timelines, nor overwrites Skyward Sword. That the future founding of the Kingdom of Hyrule by a human and a Zonai was inspired by the . . . LEGEND of Zelda, i.e. all previous games in the series. I didn't realize until reading these comments that people assumed that those games were somehow retconning the previous lore. I assumed this was new future lore, even their far flung past being far beyond the timeline as it exists prior to the BotW/TotK duology. Most likely after the timeline eventually leads to the Adventure of Link, but considering the length of time between the end of that and the probable beginning of the Zonai/Human Hyrule, any of the timelines could have birthed it. Honestly? I kind of would have preferred it if they had placed BotW 100,000,000 years in the future of the timeline. Pangea existed 200-300 million years ago, so the intense alterations of Hyrule's landscape would be better served with millions of years in between ages, but that would probably just confuse people. So making it several thousand years later is fine. But yes, I assume that the "10k years ago the Imprisoning War happened" of BotW is in direct reference to a second Imprisoning War of a new Ganondorf in a new Kingdom refounded after most of the past scraps of the lore of the past were nothing more than myth. The ancient Shiekah of BotW being a culture based on the legends and myths surrounding that fabled culture from ages gone by. Any names that are familiar to us were taken because people liked the names from the old myths. I mean, kids in their world would absolutely be named Link repeatedly; it'd be like John or David in our world. Which is way too long to be thinking about a history of a world that doesn't exist and never happened, but it makes far more sense that all these things can be true than that Nintendo is just trying to eff with fans simply because they can, which is what it feels like a lot of the saltier comments directed towards the "Wild" games seems to imply. 🤷

[@Mathew-vlogs]

Where can we see the updated timeline? Is it a website? A video? An announcement?

[@King_Luigi]

It's called Zelda Portal, an official site. (Damn youtube keeps hiding my message, gotta keep rewording/reposting this. )

[@Mathew-vlogs]

@ thanks for the info, I appreciate it. 👍

[@kukikukito]

I preferred the times where hyrule historia wasn't another attempt for cashgrab and fans did their own timeline theories, since the devs weren't grabbed by the balls to fit everything into a coherent slot on each of those

[@av_8596]

I'm still waiting for Nintendo to give us a way to play the 3DS games again!

[@icedlemongamer]

personally i really do not care about the timeline as long as the games are good, and i wish echos was not just an "echo" of a link to the past in map elements etc from another review i just saw, and the open air zeldas being linked by theory is cooler to me than a stale placement like echoes'

[@SarafYT]

I've been having more and more issues with official timeline placements. ALTTP has issues if you try to connect the events of its backstory to OOT, there's not enough evidence to put TMC early in the timeline (seriously, the hat is the weakest piece of evidence and is completely invalidated by SS and ST), and now we have a game set before BOTW that has no male Gerudo in recorded history (which contradicts Gerudo biology as it was layed out in OOT, FSA, and TOTK). It honestly makes more sense for EOW to take place after TAOL since the Ganon from TLOZ was clearly not an echo. Only way I can see this working is if TLOZ Ganon wasn't a Gerudo, and that's a huge can of worms.

[@rockmanlamar]

I always viewed BOTW as events that just happen to take place in all 3 timelines.

[@ottersaurus]

Give me one open world game of Spirit Tracks. I want a “strand-like” Zelda. It’ll be so funny, it’ll be so peak. Open world train conductor

[@X3n0nLP]

The present timeline barely makes sense, if at all. Not trying to fit that mess was honestly was not an issue for me. I would prefer a subtle reboot with more mindfull connections between games like botw and tokt by a long shot.

[@Dragoon_Kenji27]

I want a Remake of Twilight Princess, I know they hate that game apparently, but if they were to do so or even Majora's mask Like FF 7 then they would get Hella cash and a ton of people would buy it for sure. It's a win win

[@buchitoful]

They gotta make another hero of time game

[@MrJJLand]

The only question left is: Is the Encyclopedia's worst damage to the timeline (everyone's favorite asterisk) officially dead again to fix the problems it produced?