Are Metroid Dread & Other 2D Games Worth $60?

[@dbren62]

I’d say 80% of games that hit the market aren’t worth $60 regardless of 2D or 3D

[@I_was_a_Bullfrog]

@Joshua White Nah. Just because it's 2D doesn't mean a heck of a lot of work put into it.

[@DogCheese420]

@@wxldfl4wer850 Nah I agree and a lot of others do too. Most Nintendo games really aren’t worth their asking price. I love Nintendo games, but something like Mario Golf, Mario Tennis Aces and Skyword Sword HD are not worth $60 and most should be $40.

[@zelimpdna]

@@DogCheese420 If "a lot of others do too", then Nintendo first-party titles wouldn't be continually on the top-selling charts and maintain their RRP years after they come out. The market has spoken, friend, and it doesn't agree with you. But you know, that's just using silly facts like sales figures, I'm sure a few angry people on Twitter and KZbin is a better algorithm.

[@kratos.8151]

Agreed. Only game I'm paying $60 for now is God Of War Ragnarok or Zelda BOTW 2. Hollow Knight is $10. Metroid Dread isn't worth it. Links awakening wasn't worth $60 and Skyward Sword def isn't worth $60. Madness. I'm still washing the stink of Cyberpunk out of my mouth.

[@wxldfl4wer850]

@@DogCheese420 ofc mario games aren't worth 60 bucks but it's Nintendo's best selling franchise so they're gonna be full price regardless. There's going to be lots of new zelda fans coming from botw who want to play other zelda games. Doesn't matter if YOU think SSHD is not worth full price because it's worth it to the people who are gonna buy it. I swear Nintendo fans are some of the most entitled cry babies on this planet, not everything should drop in price just because people like you are clueless about the time, effort, and money that goes into making a game.

[@Light23K]

The real question is “are good games worth $60?”. YES. They never ask this question on 3D games with hot graphics but suck ass. A good game is worth $60 period.

[@previllion5355]

Not to mention Dread *does* have hot graphics. Literally just a perspective difference for the sake of gameplay, but I think the actual graphical style and quality look heckin phenomenal!

[@voiceactordavid]

60... yes if big enough.

[@GreenBlueWalkthrough]

After Steam sales showing that all games that are not COD don't have to be more than $30 to be good... and after that why ever pay $60 when you can get it for much less?

[@TheGamingTeam101Tgt101]

@@GreenBlueWalkthrough what are you talking about lmao? That’s a sale there’s a difference idek what your trying to say but you make no sense and what do you mean all games except cod we would pay 60 dollar cuz we actually want to play the game and support the degolpers

[@SuiteLifeofDioBrando]

Not all good games are worth $60. Especially if they only last 1-2 hours with little replay value.

[@GameAW1]

As long as the game is a complete experience, it doesn't matter whether its 2D or 3D. 3D is not a requirement for a full price game.

[@Blankult]

I thought this discussion was settled back in the 2000's lmao

[@gowzahr]

While I agree with you, I find most 2D games don't provide a full and satisfying experience.

[@GameAW1]

@@gowzahr That's honestly a separate problem altogether caused by either the quality of the game in question, your personal tastes, or both. Hell I feel like I underpaid for Sonic Mania and would have been more than glad to cough up the full $60 for that

[@lenarmangum6401]

Daniel Modesto Me too.

[@VideoGameAnimationStudy]

**Metroid Dread** is certainly worth £49.99. Games tend to just be fifty quid in the UK, if it gets a physical release for a console.

[@KyleTO7]

It's like $95 in Canada 🤣. No way I'm buying it.

[@theinvisibleskulk4563]

It's not out yet, nobody knows.

[@mrpenguin2247]

@@KyleTO7 That's like over US$75! Holy crap you guys really get ripped off. You should get yourself a US account

[@n1nj4l1nk]

@@mrpenguin2247 even £49.99 is $69, you get it good in America.

[@theultimateinksack5825]

@@n1nj4l1nk nice

[@mido6539]

“Do these people even want Metroid dread if they’re complaining about the price” I think that they do it’s just they might be new comers to the Metroid Series or even Nintendo in general and the 60$ price is throwing them off

[@PawlSLax]

Alex literally shouting YES within seconds, just like the comments section.

[@dynamickirby]

I’d say it depends on the content. Graphics don’t mean everything.

[@MogusMasterSaikawa22]

Yep

[@PeterGriffin11]

It's really just personal preference really if you think you'll like the game enough you'd probably pay 60$ for it if not then you wouldn't simple as that really. I personally think all Switch games are expensive but I'd be more willing to pay 60$ for a game I know I'd most likely enjoy and get hours of enjoyment out of like Pokémon Legends Arceus or Splatoon 3 as opposed to a new Metroid or Zelda game.

[@johnbakasmoothhotchocolate]

They don't mean everything, but sometimes they do try to incorporate them into the price too.

[@josephkim007]

I do agree that the quality dictates the price but another factor is also the production costs. I feel a bit bad because I feel like they are charging the maximum amount taking advantage of Metroid fans. I’m not sure of how many non-Metroid fans would pay 60 bucks for that game. I personally thought Link’s Awakening was too expensive but I got it anyways (grudgingly) because I was such a fan of the original.

[@johnbakasmoothhotchocolate]

it really depends on the audience too. Meaning, maybe not everyone is into Metroid, like you have some people not into Mario or Sonic. So for those people, the pricing doesn't matter because they're most likely not going to buy those games anyway. But since this game is a brand new entry in the franchise, and if the content and longevity justifies the price, then the price is right.

[@steven.d6492]

Alternative title: “Let’s rag on Assassins Creed for 30 minutes!”

[@CDRiley]

29:14*

[@Shade400]

Id watch that video

[@gdiego135]

It’s pretty shit anyways, so hell yeah

[@freddiejohnson6137]

Does some how having an extra axis of movement mean it was more expensive to make and some how a better experience? Smash Bros. games are essentially a 2D game but no one questioned if that was worth the price.

[@yu_cp8978]

Of course it does.

[@bewarebewear1507]

Thats because smash bros has alot of replayability and its a party/competitive game so ofcourse it lasts longer than a single player game generally, metroid games usually tend to be alittle short tho which could be a problem with this one. if it is a short game like the others it isnt worth 60$ imo

[@yu_cp8978]

@@bewarebewear1507 I agree. Plus, there are a ton of high quality indie metroidvanias that cost way less than Metroid Dread and without offering less than the latter.

[@bewarebewear1507]

@@yu_cp8978 exactly and thats another issue, there are games like hollow knight that are very great 2d games that are offered at a much lower price value like you mentioned, which is another issue for metroid dread and its pricing

[@TheGodofweak]

​@@bewarebewear1507 Metroid games are inherently replayable because they incentivize you to speedrun, collect every upgrade, other difficulties. A single Metroid run is typically very short especially once you get good at speedruning them but I've put more time into them playing them over the years than most other modern games at the same price that become very monotonous after a few hours. The Metroidvania genre is just something you have to be into to get it, 2D metroid has given me some of my best gaming experiences. Super Metroid is still one of the best games ever and looking at Dread gameplay solidifies my excitement and to me justifies the $60.

[@NintendoThumb]

There's always the option of going physical. If you buy Metroid Dread physical new for $60, you can sell it used for pretty close to the same price. Or just buy it used on ebay, play it and beat it, and then sell it to someone else for the exact same price you paid, and you'll be out nothing.

[@sonicrulez6916]

EDIT: jesus christ, i just said something what is your guys' problem? nevertheless, i do have a sealed copy of 3D All-Stars

[@gavenmiller]

@@sonicrulez6916 I sold mine, I'm going to use that money to buy it at Walmart because I regret selling it

[@sonicrulez6916]

@@gavenmiller i'm gonna sell it and get lots of money since i already have it downloaded on switch!

[@Catadventures131]

@@sonicrulez6916 😂

[@gavinscarborough4207]

@@sonicrulez6916 it’s already at $40 on eBay. You ain’t selling it for as much as you think. Even sealed.

[@cylop224]

Metroid Dread will almost definitely be worth a 1000 times more than anything EA releases at full price.

[@smartnugget]

Wow comparing Nintendo with EA. Compare them with sony.

[@cylop224]

@@smartnugget There are too many Sony games to make a worthwhile comparison. You'd have to narrow it down, as I did by mentioning EA. Lots of great PlayStation games out there, doesn't mean this shouldn't be full price on release - if you want a sale just wait.

[@smartnugget]

@@cylop224 naah i don't have a Nintendo switch. I m just gonna wait for the emulated version and enjoy it for free.

[@smartnugget]

@@cylop224 and sony does lower their game prices Nintendo don't

[@cylop224]

@@smartnugget Good for you

[@Swift96]

"Link's Awakening released the same year I was." Alex is a robot confirmed.

[@Se7en2107]

I mean, same.

[@WhoElseButZane]

But is the robot worth $60?

[@woahsea]

$60 for an Alex Olney? That's a bargain!

[@Nelsathis]

But he said 'came out'. Thats kinda what humans do.

[@johnnsmash0467]

The people that say this type of bs defend annual sports games that charge full price for one to two extra teams and almost literally nothing else (and micro transactions)

[@paulolsen2197]

they also say that minecraft sucks because bad graphics

[@familiasegval6187]

@@paulolsen2197 Well, Minecraft sux. You know, the graphics are terrible. In all seriousness though, yeah, EA gets away with updating the same game over and over again and selling it for full price, but Nintendo announces a 2d game and it's not worth it. I value a game based on what I get from it, not the graphics or price

[@fullmetalgamer6062]

"But but... 2k21 has Damian Lillard in the cover!"

[@johnnsmash0467]

@@fullmetalgamer6062 I'LL TAKE YOUR ENTIRE STOCK

[@thenintendogamer1542]

@@familiasegval6187 and the worst is they do legacy editons for switch releases of fifa. That’s literally the same game as last year and with updated rosters

[@TheLemonyBard]

“I feel like that didn’t happen with Link’s Awakening.” It absolutely did, possibly more so lol

[@Jh9801]

It absolutely did, because that game should not have cost 60$.

[@jacobmonks3722]

Link's Awakening was more egregious because it's a remake of a game that you could get for like $6 on the 3DS eshop. I don't see $54 of added value in the remake at all. The graphics are nice and it has some quality of life changes but that isn't enough to warrant such a huge price jump to me. My problem isn't that Link's Awakening isn't worth $60, my problem is that NINTENDO thinks it isn't worth $60, but priced it as such anyway.

[@Jh9801]

@@jacobmonks3722 costs not encountered by porting it: level design, story design, text writing and translation, new music creation, physics design, inventory items and weapons design. All of those normally contribute a massive amount to the cost of a game. Therefore the game should be cheaper.

[@jacobmonks3722]

@@Jh9801 I'm just saying, if Nintendo priced the original Link's Awakening at let's say $20, then released the remake at $60, I think that makes way more sense. True, the writing and world design is more or less identical, only changing some things for the sake of adding more things to collect. But the graphical and musical presentation is so unbelievably better, that I think 3x as much effort went into the Remake than the original even disregarding the other stuff. It's obviously not a real measurement but it's what I think would be acceptable. But 10x the effort? I don't see it. It's definitely not 10x a better game, either.

[@Jdudec367]

@@jacobmonks3722 hm...would 40$ be more acceptable?

[@MikeL-gt2wz]

Well made 2D games can be some of the most satisfying and addictive to play, in my opinion. The replayability often comes from sheer fun factor. I will likely get more than $60 worth out of Dread judging by the previews.

[@northwindkey]

“Hollow Knight is $20, so why is Metroid Dread $60?” - Common question Because Hollow Knight is actually underpriced for how much quality is in it. I’d much rather pay $60 for Hollow Knight than I would for whatever open world realistic dull graphics walking simulator is popular now. Dread isn’t overpriced, other Metroidvanias have been underpriced.

[@taylorhall9509]

10/10 I would have happily paid more for hollow knight. I actually love the game so much I've bought it 3x. Once for switch, then bought the physical special edition for switch, and lastly for my ps4.

[@tobi_versace]

Thank you. Hollow Knight is worth so much more than they charged. I wish I could pay team cherry the other $40 I feel I owe them

[@ill_luck]

Hollow Knight is literally point blank robbery

[@why8308]

@@tobi_versace You could buy the physical edition or buy it on other platforms.

[@tobi_versace]

@@why8308 I hope they charge $60 for Silksong because it will 100% be worth it

[@lynxofhyrule]

I think at the end of the day people need to realize that any mainline entry into one of Nintendo's flagship IPs is going to be full-price. Indies like Hollow-Knight are indies, there isn't a precedent for indies to carry AAA price tags.

[@laggalot1012]

@A B It's exactly that. Indies more often than not HAVE to underprice their product, because most people are not easily inclined to put down a lot of money for a game from an unproven developer (or alternatively without the backing of a trusted publisher, such as Nintendo), even if it gets praised into the skies. Heck, there's a lot of phenomenal indie games out there that go for 30 or even 20, if not less, and *still* struggle to gain traction. As an example, both Bug Fables and CrossCode are indie games I picked up fairly recently, that have been on my radar for a while and that I was originally uncertain about purchasing at full price, despite really not being that expensive and I found I enjoyed both games greatly once I finally moved to make the purchase. I think they're both worth way more than their asking price, but you can't really know that until you've played it. Now, if either of these games got a sequel that I thought looked promising, my willingness to pay for them would be considerably higher than with the first games. And I assume that's how it goes for a lot of people...

[@jackthememer1186]

Also you can sell a Mario game for $60 but an indie game would be a lot harder to sell well for $60.

[@Nelsathis]

@A B I dont know about that. The indi market isnt old enough yet. You can totally go and say 'Game xx was worth more than what i paid' after you played it. And i think thats true for games like hollow knight. And yet most people wouldnt go and do that before they can play it. Thats the nature of the games market. Are there even indi games that are like 3 iterations in? I feel like thats the least amount of examples you need to get some kind of brand recognition and trust of quality. And then you often have to have knowledge to recognize its creator. Its not immediatly obvious that Deltarune will be made by the Undertale guy, if you dont follow Toby Fox. Now Darkest Dungeon will keep its name with the second one ( I think.. ), but its only the second, which will need to prove if it was a one hit wonder or not.

[@joelcomer]

@Jack The Memer I totally agree

[@jackthememer1186]

@@joelcomer yep

[@daffyfable1983]

I feel that people relate their preferences to worth. If someone likes 3D games more than 2D games, they would argue that to them, a 3D game is worth more than a 2D game and vice versa.

[@MystifiedBeef]

@@chrisassassin5447 or Nintendo is selling it for $60 because they are a major developer and it’s a established franchise compared to the others which are indies.

[@rhomayyann4691]

It's because value is opinionated. Gold without value is just a rock. Cyberpunk a AAA title that was overhyped flopped completely and that had a $60 price tag when the devs knew about all of its issues. So was Fallout 76 and people say there is no way they'll pay $60. Sea of Theives has that same opinion some feel it shouldn't be worth more than $20. Those are all AAA titles as well. If Super Mario 3D All Stars was worth $60 so is Metroid Dread that game is nothing, but ports with slightly better graphics.

[@SgtSega]

When i was a kid, I had the N64 and Game Boy. Game Boy games were fantastic and only 30 bucks each. My family wasn't rich, so games I got on N64 were more spread out over time but Game Boy was easy to get cheap, even cheaper than 30 dollars in most cases. I got Link's Awakening DX before getting Ocarina of Time way later on. I played the heck out of that game and it was my favorite Zelda for the longest time.

[@SgtSega]

@@chrisassassin5447 Sonic Mania is still about as cheap as when it came out and the DLC is only 5 bucks. The physical version that has the dlc included however has skyrocketed to 50 bucks and up. Streets of Rage 4 has only been out a year so it's still 35 dollars even used at GameStop. I did get a sweet keychain with it though. On top of that there's DLC coming soon but i have no idea how much they will charge for it. ToeJam and Earl: Back in The Groove was backed by fans so they got their copies "free", but the game physical costs about 50 bucks too. Get it on sale digital however, and you pay under 5 dollars for it. DLC for that is coming as well called Still in The Groove. So if you can't afford physical, there is always digital. These games are 2D but have a lot to them even without the DLC. They're small files so they won't take up much room on an SD card. While i prefer physical over digital, at least if you have it on an SD card, you technically own it.

[@KingofDMC19]

@@chrisassassin5447 yet none of those budget indishit games hold a candle to something like Metroid. Stop comparing the value of these budget games to the likes of first party Nintendo.

[@gendergoo1312]

Not mentioned here but there's also a psychological legitimacy to a game at "full price". If Dread is $40, consumers might perceive it as a lesser product and pass over it. Not saying they'd be right, but sometimes people use price points as indications of quality, and might think Nintendo has valued their game as lesser right out the gate if not full price.

[@hostswiththemost3097]

I thought the same thing

[@rabbyd542]

Mario Golf got me with that. Was not worth the money. 5 courses and the story mode was really short. Maybe 5-7 hours. The courses are not anywhere near as interesting as the GameCube Version.

[@tek5670]

That's full on retarded reasoning. Just cause a game is $40 doesn't mean it is bad.

[@bewarebewear1507]

Then there are alot of switch games that shouldnt have been 60$ that people were debating about, links awakening, luigis mansion 3, yoshis crafted world, mario all stars, and most of those wii u ports were definetely not worth 60$

[@faahima.s1087]

Game prices are wack. You can find polished gems like Hollow knight and Ori for 15$ but each year 2k and Fifa release yearly roster updates disguised as brand new games for $60.

[@CBreezie]

Value is subjective. There. End of debate.

[@Nelsathis]

Problem is, it comes in after the purchase. always.

[@BitchChill]

That is true

[@thebloodyaussie1458]

@@Nelsathis then if you aren't 100% sure by looking at the trailers, gameplay, reviews, etc. that's your mistake for getting it that early. If you aren't at least like 90% sure the game will be good based on what you've seen, please wait to buy it.

[@davidaitken8503]

@@thatoneguyontheinternet9765 Agreed. I know we are all in different financial situations, and I'm not bashing person A if they don't have as much disposable income as person B but many of these people seem to think that games are too expensive because they waste so much of their money on garbage. If you don't take advantage of things like game demos, KZbin videos, and other things to better inform yourself before you buy something you have no one to blame but yourself if you end up with a dud. I only had maps and still shots of games in the pages of Nintendo Power and other magazines to go by when I was younger and their are only a few games I regret buying or asking for on birthdays and Christmas. Despite owning over 150 games for my NES, SNES, and N64 I can honestly say my success rate was about 98%.

[@thatoneguyontheinternet9765]

@@thebloodyaussie1458 (sorry for reposting this comment I accidentally deleted it lol) also not to mention some games such as miitopia, monster hunter rise, hyrule warriors: age of calamity, & more have demos basically a little bit of the game featuring the basic gameplay and the general feel of the game with monster hunter rise you get a few monsters to go after & the option to pick any of the weapons so you get a feel for the general gameplay and hyrule warriors age of calamity gives you the first few stages and is basically just the beginning of the game so you get three characters to play as and a few areas to explore while showcasing the basic gameplay and then there's miitopia which is above & beyond featuring almost all the new features added ti the port such as the new mii customization, outings, the horse and it allows you basically the beginning of the game but a pretty dang big piece the first world/area is one of the biggest areas in the game and they give you the first half which will last you a few hours depending upon how fast you play and how much of it you want to do since you could only do what's needed or go exploring to find secrets to help you such as a new weapon or some gold demos are great! I hope Nintendo starts doing a few more since they didn't ton on Wii U and 3ds and I always enjoyed those just give the first bit of the game it's a great way for people to decide! It's a free hands on experience where Nintendo can attempt to win people over to purchase a game

[@CasualSavage92]

I always hate these "is 'X' worth (insert cost)?" questions. It's entirely subjective. If you feel like it's worth it, buy it. If you don't feel like it's worth it, don't buy it or wait to see if it goes down in price. That's literally all there is to it.

[@PeterGriffin11]

Exactly. I don't see the point of a 26 minute discussion about it.

[@CasualSavage92]

@@PeterGriffin11 It's a stupid conversation that can only go in circles. I don't know why people are stuck on having this debate. I personally think Metroid Dread will be worth it so I'm going to buy it at $60. I'm going to hold off on Skyward Sword HD because I personally don't think it's worth $60. Like was that so hard? Lol.

[@brady9592]

Our viewing the discussion and commenting on it is why it keeps happening. As someone who hates it and is compelled to comment, you’re (myself as well, I’m sick of this framing) one of the biggest drivers of it. A core party to the discussion. The minority of people who click on the video and then even smaller minority of commenters who further reinforce it. Generate ads, generate more suggestion on the home page.

[@DirtL]

@@CasualSavage92 100% agreed. SS is not worth the money imo, but Dread is something new that we've been waiting for almost 2 decades

[@DARKSHYNO]

If Sony is allowed to charge $70 for 8 hour games I don't see why a well crafted 2D game can't be worth $60.

[@ultimate9056]

Exactly I can't believe that people are complaining about Nintendo selling games for $60 when we have Sony and Microsoft charging for $70 just because they can.

[@bensaadoussema9679]

People are paying for sport games, Avangers, assassins' creed, and especially Cyberpunk at full price with no arguements. 10 million People paid full price for a 2D Mario ported game without shouting from roofs. But when it came to a less recognized franchise (Metroid) it has become one big and major scandal in the whole industry. What a shame.

[@fraudhoward1409]

@@ultimate9056 microsoft doesn't charge consumers 70 dollars for their first party games halo infinite is only 60 dollars on the series x and also all of their first party games are included in gamepass

[@robo-roger7815]

@@bensaadoussema9679 The people complaining about the price of Dread probably aren't the ones who bought the NSMB port, It's exhausting when people think of nintendo fans as 1 person.

[@BoozeAholic]

@@robo-roger7815 What's so wrong with Metroid Dread being $60? It'll most likely be as replayable as every other Metroid game (I still play Super & Zero Mission to this day.), so the replay value for itself.

[@OZEEtube]

I don‘t think some that has played a 2D Metroid before would really question this. We are talking about a game that created a new genre. They usually have perfect game design and I could replay them every year.

[@d.a.f.5982]

Exactly. Im on my 7th super metroid run and im not even a huge fan of the series. It is amazing though I just haven't got to experience a ton apart from Metroid Prime 1 and super metroid which are phenomenal

[@rmv9194]

And I dont think some that has played hollow knight and Ori for $ 30 or under it would not really question this. Be better a 30 hour game to justify that price (probably it will be a 15-20 hour)

[@airplanefood3576]

@@rmv9194 Hollow knight is pretty ridiculous in terms of value per hour, but isn't ori like 8 hours long for $30.

[@RhapsodyHC]

I agree! Replay value is what make 2D Games shine. They may be short, taking only 4 hours to complete, but replaying the game multiple times is what makes the price worth it. I can’t tell you how many times I go back to retro games like Metroid Fusion, Sonic 3, Super Mario Bros 3, etc. while modern 3D games like Assassin’s Creed is a one time play through for me.

[@rasyadiskandar759]

yes, they are certainly worth 60 dollars. more even, but games in general could stand to be cheaper anyway. not everyone gets free codes and stuff ya know. I am not debating wether or not they are worth 60 dollars cause hell some of them are priceless works of art to me. but they are priceless works of art that i wish more people could afford to play

[@brady9592]

It is true that these companies profit in the Billions with a capital B every year. We aren’t even good at conceptualizing how much money that is and video game media consistently generate the same conversation we see here because it garners a lot of engagement with less effort than deeper, more difficult conversations about the industry.

[@tristanneal9552]

Technically games are cheaper today than they were in the N64 era, adjusted for inflation

[@GarrusN7]

lmao games tend to cost a LOT more to make these days. Meanwhile the relative price point of $60 has remained unchanged for a very long time. On top of that the games industry is seeing insane amounts of income and growth so obviously the price isn't hurting sales much.

[@joarnagaming8145]

Brand name recognition is everything. It's why most brand name products charge a premium over their generic competitors.

[@tetermc]

We get that. But it doesn't mean it's worth that much. That's the whole point.

[@dshaynietheawesome]

How does being 2D make it worth less as far as im concerned price should depend on the quality and content of the game not the directions you’re able to move in

[@XanderVJ]

Because 2D take less money and resources to produce on average than 3D. Or that's the rationale, at least.

[@notimeforcreativenamesjust3034]

@@chrisassassin5447 those games are by indie studios

[@not_ever]

​@@XanderVJ If that's the rationale, then it's the rationale of someone who has never made a game in their life and has no idea what they're talking about. The kind of opinion that is conceived without even considering the massive overheads that a big company like Nintendo has, compared to a small indie team making games. Personally, I think all games, indie or AAA, 2d or 3d, are priced too low. I'd rather pay more money for higher quality games without all the DLC, loot box, season pass crap that is now normal.

[@svg9789]

@@chrisassassin5447 I agree with you on most of this, but on the other hand, WarioWare is a fairly popular franchise that many people have nostalgia for and they did place the game slightly cheaper because I'm assuming they felt thats what it's worth. It shows that recently, they have been aware of their pricing. I feel like being 2d or 3d doesn't matter, but I also feel like Metriod Dread specifically will be worth the 60$. Celeste is amazing though, everyone play it

[@azharfaturohman4940]

@@XanderVJ only the perspective is 2d however the assets and character models are 3d

[@miaspaghetti]

if the games are good but cost 60 dollars when you dont have money, you instantly rant about it. its the rule. twitter basically

[@angelaguerrero3808]

As someone mentioned here smaah is a 60$ game but no one complain about the price so mostly its related to the value people gives to the game, maybe they are not so big fans of metroid so can't accept that dread is worth if the price?

[@Pedroramossss]

But Smash is a 70h game. It takes more than 60h to beat

[@bewarebewear1507]

Like I mentioned in that comment that you are mentioning, smash is worth the 60$ it has a lot of replayability, it is a party/competitive game that people still play and lasts alot longer than most single player games, as for metroid the games usually tend to be alittle short so most people worry that if it is worth the 60$ if the game is going to be short or just simple like links awakening, luigi mansion 3 , or yoshis crafted world

[@NoonDragoon]

This is such a weird argument. Even as someone who grew up primarily with 3D games, with the N64 being my first console, I still love 2D games and don’t think either type of game is worth more than the other.

[@k4yser]

it is not. Development of 3D assets (which is almost the largest part of the budget) is way more expensive than 2 D. It's actually a very valid economic question.

[@downrightsuperb5690]

You can't make a game for a fraction of the budget and still charge the same amount.

[@rocklet1347]

@@k4yser Everything in Metroid Dread is 3d, but its played from a 2d perspective

[@tielmaster7879]

I think the issue is that indie games have come a long way and blow the content of AAA priced games out of the water. Hallow Knight is $20, both Ori's are under$30. So people will compare to those games and question whether they have enough content to be worth $60. We'll have to wait and see.

[@Mqstodon]

I completely disagree They are good, but they're not better by default than AAA games.

[@angrybengo]

@@Mqstodon I have gotten more enjoyment out of hollow knight than any AAA game I’ve played

[@taylorhall9509]

@@Mqstodon I mean no game is automatically better by default. But both ori games and hollow knight delivered a far better experience, gameplay, and polish than the majority of triple AAA titles today. So yes those games are better

[@droidon]

Honestly, the 2d Metroid series has always delivered, they’re like the big daddy of hollow knight and ori...simply inspired a whole genre, and it’s that good.

[@TheGodofweak]

@@taylorhall9509 The thing is those games fit specific niches, They are much better games than most AAA's, but they need to be appropriately priced for their audience and entice newcomers to invest. Those devs understand that no matter the quality of their games, being an indie metroidvania alone is a tough sell to most gamers. Nintendo seems to have a baseline standard for all franchises that are part of their legacy, and they don't really budge on that. Personally I don't mind supporting Metroid at that price range, 2D Metroid and the games that came from it like Hollow Knight and Ori are some of the best gaming experiences I've had, and my excitement for their future games justifies a day one purchase to me.

[@billyhatfield7049]

I'm so appreciative of these videos where the guys just talk about these kinds of things. I FULLY support Metroid Dread being $60 and that is going to be a day-one purchase for me. Keep up the great content.

[@stevesquick92]

Quick answer: Yes. They can be. Just like any product it’s only “worth” what you’re willing to pay to “own” it. Such an annoying and overused question.

[@theinvisibleskulk4563]

So are all video games worth less to people living in areas with lower standards of living? Because I think game prices have gone down partly due to distributors expanding into poorer territories.

[@nanowasabi4421]

@@theinvisibleskulk4563 Yes, video games are worth less to poor people in proportion to the rest of their needs. It's not Nintendo's fault if people can't afford their game. There have been plenty of products that work great and vastly improve quality of life, but they fail because people aren't rich enough to buy it at a price that would allow the creators to break even.

[@goodie2shoes874]

I wanna hear the logic behind whoever thought a AAA 2D game with as much polish and effort put into it such as metroid isn't worth $60

[@TogminPertin]

For me 2D games are just way too outdated. A poster will always cost less than a figurine. If I wanted to play 2d games I could buy those 9999 games in 1 type of video game for 15 to 20 $. It's a piece of technology so it should be advanced. Even a 3d chess board costs more than a 2d chess board. You can play 2d games even on your goddamn tv cable 😂

[@goodie2shoes874]

@@TogminPertin just because a game plays in 2 axis of movement doesn’t mean it’s technologically inferior. Every environment in Metroid Dread is a 3D environment. You’ll see that anytime they move the camera into different perspectives like cutscenes and special aiming sequences. All the enemies have distinct animations and special effects that aren’t any different from your usual AAA 3D game. It’s just seen in a different perspective. Just because a game is played in 2D doesn’t mean it’s has an inferior gameplay experience either. From your analogy, no matter if it’s 3D chess or 2D chess, it still chess. You still get the same experience playing both. If a development team worked their ass off to create so many assets and animations that are held to such a high standard, why wouldn’t it be $60.

[@Dragular]

@@TogminPertin 2D is not "outdated." It's just a different style and design choice.

[@TogminPertin]

@@Dragular I get 2d fighting games like Tekken or mortal Kombat, but shooter games with 2d style seems really outdated to me. If I wanted to play a 2d shooter game, I'd play contra using an emulator.

[@Dragular]

@@TogminPertin Metroid isn't a 2D "shooter" though. It's a platformer with an interconnected map that you explore through. This type of 2D game is what you call a "Metroidvania."

[@abdel4455]

No one: "Is Super Smash Bros Ultimate worth $60?" Edit: My original comment is misleading peolple to think I don't think ssbu is worth $60. It most certainly is in my opinion. My point is that people are being selective about which 2D games are worth the price and not giving any good reason for it

[@voiceactordavid]

Hmm.

[@mayhem264]

@@reindeer_FLO well that adds on another $50 if u buy both fighter passes, which almost makes it more not worth it

[@danka1167]

@@reindeer_FLO you are the sole reason smash fans are looked down on by Nintendo fans

[@who_the_fuck_is_riley5813]

@@reindeer_FLO I may not be the biggest fan of some DLC characters but you really can't act like the majority were bad. Or that any of them were actually bad

[@abdel4455]

@@reindeer_FLO That's your opinion, they won't please everyone. My point is that some people seem to be blindly hating on Metroid Dread's price tag because it's a 2D game, even though it very much deserves it, and there are many other $60 2D games that you don't hear complaints about

[@Sambeck63]

Even though they’re not 3-D games… A lot of care and attention goes into them. So I say yes! They’re worth every pound!

[@jredz18]

Yep definitely Metroid dread looks brilliant 🤩

[@Rulez198]

Come on be serious... There are games out there that look stunning and dont even cost 60 bucks... Golf is worth 60?

[@braydenborrell]

@@Rulez198 so you have a problem with particular sport being played and not the quality or content of the game for $60???

[@Rulez198]

@@braydenborrell no im fine with golf but its Limitations doesnt make it a 60 buck game the witcher 3 is 40 for examples so u tell me that golf is more complex or has more content? And the grafics? Or flight simulatior same price category..tell me how the price is justyfied golf is a cool game but never ever worth 60 its obviously a 30 Dollar game and its been sold for 60 only because it have the tm nintendo in it im open for other opinions but justyfying just because of bei g a fanboy well thats not an argument

[@braydenborrell]

@@Rulez198 "I don't have a problem with golf in particular but now let me talk about why I have a problem with that exact thing in particular" this has to be the dumbest argument I've seen here. No one here is being a fan boy lmao you just don't understand how game pricing works.

[@whimsie56]

… yes??? seriously it doesn’t matter the format a 2d game can be a lot more enjoyable than a 3d game in some instances if it’s a high quality AAA game, it’s worth. Indie games it makes sense that they’re a bit underpriced, the devs aren’t as cash-hungry as the big corps. still worth.

[@whimsie56]

@Joshua White yeah, i would too. Not entirely the point, though. I meant that while being underpriced, indie games (or at least the good ones like Hollow Knight) are worth the extra 20 or so dollars.

[@chunkymonkey7983]

@Joshua White I highly doubt that. If you haven't played the game yet and you're unsure of its quality, I don't think you'd pay 60$ for any Indie game.

[@chunkymonkey7983]

@Joshua White Okay, thanks for clearing that up.

[@galenburnett9791]

4D games are very expensive: you have to pawn everything you own and give every penny you have to buy one, because once you start playing it there is actually no way back to this dimension... I heard that, it’s true, happened to my cousin.

[@hunterthorne4671]

I'm not complaining about this, but I would also never pay $60 for it. I would consider it if it was cheaper, but the price will 100% prevent me from trying

[@schmlif8839]

dude I don't care what dimension a game is in, anyone who claims 60 bucks is too much for a metroid game has never played metroid or any metroidvania in their life and it shows

[@Monafide3305]

That just isn't true. A ton of people, myself included, have played the entire series and think that a lower price point would have made more sense here for reasons outside it being 2D. Samus Returns offers what appears to be a similar experience compared to what was shown so far and cost $40.

[@thelegendofstonecoldstevea3205]

@@Monafide3305 samus returns was a handheld only game. This is game launching on a console and one would be expect it to be lengthier, and improving on the previous.

[@Monafide3305]

@@thelegendofstonecoldstevea3205 You say that but the past 5 metroid games have all been of similar length. No reason to expect otherwise this time around. I'd love to be surprised though!

[@Speedo94]

@@Monafide3305 we have no idea how big this game will be so for now we don’t know what it’s worth

[@spystar18]

Whether it's 2d or 3d doesn't matter. I think the level of content should determine the price. Although I think this is 60 bucks just for being a 1st party game

[@captainsoarineagle]

More so because it's a new game. Not some remake

[@spystar18]

@@captainsoarineagle WarioWare Get it Together is 50 dollars. Nintendo is just greedy. Walmart is already selling Mario Golf for 50 bucks.

[@camharkness]

@@spystar18 walmart always sells games $10 less than other places. Also its not Nintendo being greedy its legit how much new games tend to cost. $60 is a very normal price. So is $50.

[@Voltricity435]

not just level of content but also quality of said content

[@spystar18]

@@camharkness That doesn't justify it

[@Ukreefside]

I thought bomberman was overpriced on the switch and still is.

[@TheGamingTeam101Tgt101]

Well that’s differently

[@fattony75]

I got the xbox version last week for 20 bones - I like it.

[@statesminds]

It goes on sale for 10 to 20 often

[@esmooth919]

Well, every time I see it at Best Buy, it's in the bargain bin for $20

[@IWantToStayAtYourHouse]

i bought it for like $2 on the last sale

[@Insert.Oregano]

11:03 Thank you for not editing that out, gave me a good chuckle

[@raul130471]

Quick answer: yes there's no debate to be made.

[@lenarmangum6401]

Absolutely! We shouldn’t even be having this discussion!

[@tetermc]

@@lenarmangum6401 Why not? There's a good discussion to be had over it. There's a little too much "I'm covering my ears, nah nah nah can't hear you" going on.

[@lenarmangum6401]

Michael Teter This is absolutely stupid! Just because it’s a 2D platformer/side-scroller these games are somehow inherently not worth the full price they charge? So we are just going to discredit all the work that goes into a 2D game just because it’s not a big 40-50 hour open world game with the highest production values, and just because there are a lot of 2D platformers/side-scrollers in the indie scene? Like every genre is oversaturated there are so many open world games, souls-likes, fps shooters, narrative driven games etc. platformers are not any less worth it than any other genre of game, lots of work goes into any game and just because it doesn’t have super ultra realistic graphics doesn’t make platformers any less worse. Like for example; Ori And The Blind Forest, Ori And The Will Of The Wisps, Hollow Knight, Shantae And The Pirates Curse, Shantae Half Genie Hero, Shantae And The Seven Sirens, Yooka-Laylee And The Impossible Lair, Donkey Kong Contry Returns, Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze, Rayman Origins or Rayman Legends etc. are any of those phenomenal games I just listed over valued or do those games and their immaculate quality not mean anything? Because Hollow Knight for example has a lot of quality and playtime should that not be $60?

[@tetermc]

@@lenarmangum6401 Putting words into my mouth. Nobody said those games don't have value. But you kind of proved my point. Many of those games you listed have insanely high production value and were listed at a price of 30 or lower. Nintendo have charged a premium where as many others have been more reasonable. Gameboy remake? 60. Remaster from wii? 60. Three emulated games? 60. Not to mention the borderline agregious price of any proprietary nintendo hardware accessories. 80 bucks for a pair of joycons. The things barely work. I paid 60 for metroid dread because in all likelihood it will be a good game. Do I think it was worth it though? Idk. Nintendo just tends to ignore that there is legitimate competition these days. Salt and Sanctuary is a massive, amazing indie game. 20 bucks. If Nintendo published it, you can bet your ass it would be 60.

[@lenarmangum6401]

Michael Teter The thing you fail to understand those indie developers and games have to be priced lower because of steep competition within the indie scene, dispute their quality. They have to be priced competitively within that scene because there are so many games of that type in the indie space, besides Nintendo can charge that much for their games because the have a long history of quality titles and well established ip’s. Plus when developing a game like Kirby Star Allies or Yoshi’s Crafted World or Metroid Dread or whatever have you. Hundreds of developers/employees work on this games and there’s a lot that goes into marketing and stuff which is part of the huge price increase. You gotta pay all those developers somehow plus indie developers don’t have the same resources that a big company like Nintendo does. Nintendo doesn’t have to compete with indies they only have to compete with themselves, because what other company’s are making platforms regularly either 2D or 3D? Also in the case of charging for ports of already released games I don’t agree with that practice but I’m purely talking about new games/software not joy-cons or any other hardware.

[@captainsoarineagle]

Overall though, £60 is expensive to me generally. I also find cheaper than pay full price

[@jackn4908]

2d games are very replayable, fun, stylish and unique so there's no reason they should be worth less. Saying that, I'd prefer if it was under £60, then I could spend money on more switch games.

[@jakobholgersson4400]

Well, there's a very clear reason. They're easier and cheaper to make. It's why Nintendo churned out a boatload of them for the Wii U: they were able to eleviate the software drought to some extent, as well as getting a good ROI to soften the lamentations of their share holders.

[@angrybengo]

@@jakobholgersson4400 just because they are cheaper to make doesn’t mean they are worse. Why spend $60 on a 3D game than a better quality 2D game that you would get more enjoyment out of just because it takes more effort to make?

[@jakobholgersson4400]

​@@angrybengo Isn't that how things work in general when you buy stuff? A house drawn by an architect costs more than a house made from factory-made modules. A traditionally made piece of Brie costs more than a slab of non-brand "Houshold cheese". Enjoyment is subjective and someone might get more enjoyment out of an indie game for a dollar than anything Nintendo are making.

[@remix4098]

@@angrybengo he never said they were moron

[@davidkennedy7688]

I wish people would stop calling them "2-D Games". It's a 2-D camera, the game is 3-D. Super Metroid was a 2-D game (developed with sprites, tiles, etc.) Metroid Dread is a 3-D game (developed with polygons, textures, dynamic cameras, etc.) with a 2-D camera. It's an aesthetic choice, not a limitation. Just because a game has a deliberate dated aesthetic doesn't mean it's worth less...But this is all my opinion lol

[@XanderVJ]

Here, when they say "2D", they are talking about gameplay, rather than graphics. In that regard, "Metroid Prime" is a 2D game, since the gameplay is only moving in 2 dimensions.

[@N-Xrd]

It's better than the disgusting and absurd phrase "2.5D"

[@N-Xrd]

@@XanderVJ nope Prime moves on a Z axis too, up down left right forward back that's 3 dimensions

[@INFERN0FIRE]

True. It still has fixed camera though, so that often limits the amount of art assets they need to create, because objects don't have to be rendered from all sides. This means there's some argument that it could cost less to make. That does not mean it is worth less though.

[@DABYXman]

@@N-Xrd Ok but there were plenty of arcade games with pseudo z planes but it still played what we call 2d gameplay. Technically there's the difference but as a general term it's fine.

[@rickster008]

i feel that Metroid dread is justified, it's not every day that we get a brand new Metroid game. i feel link's awakening isn't justified, i had the Link's awakening DX the game is short for a Gameboy game. i would assumed the switch version would be the same.

[@anarchomando7707]

I call bullcrap the game is impossibly long without a guide

[@danielevans7439]

@@anarchomando7707 I can’t speak for the Switch, but I beat Link’s Awakening DX for the first time last year in just a few days, no guide. For a Zelda game, it’s really short.

[@Wrendys]

Of course I wanted for Metroid Dread to be cheaper, I want the game and I don’t hate money. However, since it has a price closer to Breath of the Wild and Odyssey, it puts more value on Metroid in the eyes of people that don’t know much about games. And that’s super important, especially since it has been freaking 19 years since the last one we had and many people have never even heard of Metroid.

[@phili58]

I think the guys right off the bat here are mischaracterizing the core argument against metroid dread. Sure it's silly to say all 2D games shouldn't be worth $60 BUT this whole conversation started with metroid dread, and if you compare it to ITS OWN COMPETITION - ie. the metroidvania genre, then you have to look at the market. The market for metroidvania games has squarely priced the genre lower than 60. And it's not JUST because they're indies. Alex's point that "oh 2D games used to cost this much" is honestly moot because we're talking about the CURRENT paradigm Hollow knight is a longer game than dread will be (almost definitely) - $15 Ori and the will of the wisps is a more graphically impressive game - $30 Bloodstained is the other half of the genres namespake (castlevania sotn creators new game) - $40 If you're a fan of this genre but one of the MANY people who've never played metroid, what are nintendo doing to stay competitive? Remember most fans of this type of game have hollow knight as the benchmark. You're now putting consumers in the position where they're paying 4x the price of hollow knight for a shorter game, 2x the price of ori for an uglier game and 33% more the price bloodstained for a game with less systems and variety. Obviously as a metroid fan i know that dread will likely have map design that is a tier above these games but the problem is I AM A METROID FAN. normal players don't know this, and if the game gets 8/10s averaged then those people might go elsewhere. I want metroid to succeed but i can't blame non fanboys for not wanting to pay $60 here because it's a game in a genre DOMINATED by cheaper games that are also masterpieces. I'm worried that metroid 5 might be the last metroid game if nintendo can't convince new people to buy into this franchise and pricing according to the current market standards is absolutely a good way to do that - and i think $60 foir a metroidvania in 2021 will push away people

[@blainekelly7374]

We’ll see the thing is those other games you mentioned are very much underpriced. Just one other thing a longer length does not mean a better game.

[@wenyntrout]

This summarises my thoughts on Dread as well. What does this game offer me that the myriad of other indie Metroidvanias don’t? Sure, I think Metroid is a great series and I’m interested to see where the story goes, but not interested enough to pay €60 when I can pick up games like Hollow Knight for a quarter of the price. Paying full price for a Nintendo game was fine in the past, because it was the best way to assure you’d get a quality game. However, the market is so vastly different now that this just seems like a premium price for a mediocre product.

[@phili58]

@@blainekelly7374 I don't buy the underpriced argument. This is the price the market has settled on for the genre. I 100% agree that length of a game should not dictate price. I'm not so sure the average consumer is on board with that. But even granting that, dread will not be a substantially higher quality than the 3 games I mentioned, and I say that as someone who adores 2D metroid. The market has shown that you don't need this valuation for quality metroidvania experiences

[@josie_the_valkyrie]

Spot on, and exactly why I will wait for reviews.

[@nanowasabi4421]

​@@phili58 "The price the market has settled on" I think it's too early to say that. Ori is only 6 years old, and Hollow Knight is only 4 years old. How many other landmark games have come out in the genre recently? Axiom Verge comes to mind, and I think it's a similar price point to Ori, but Metroid and Castlevania together still make up more than half of the entries in the genre that are worth playing, and they were all released as full price games on their respective systems (if I'm wrong about this, feel free to correct me; don't feel like going through all of their release prices). This current price point is a trend precipitated by AAA studios general unwillingness to make Metroidvanias, and the subsequent taking of the mantle by Indie studios. Dread could easily sell very well at this price point and encourage other AAA studios to take a shot at the genre, in which case people would become used to a AAA price. It's also worth noting that Metroidvania fans aren't exactly being oversupplied with games. We're still talking about Hollow Knight and Ori as the best *recent* Metroidvanias. And in a genre that focuses on tight, 10 hour experiences rather than 40 hour epics, there's plenty of room for more games. Fans of HK and Ori may be starved enough that they're willing to shell out for a more expensive but similar game that has the Nintendo seal of approval.

[@previllion5355]

Makes me sad that people would suggest lowering the price of the first new mainline Metroid game in 19 years. Graphical style has never been a determiner of game quality or value. Metroid is already a bit of a risk for Nintendo because it doesn’t sell as well as Mario and Zelda, so what would it tell them if everyone complained that a major title in the Metroid franchise was too expensive at the same price as a major Mario or Zelda game? Paying full price for Dread is the best way to communicate that we care about this series and want more (and we do want more, please, for the love of the Chozo).

[@EasyCure0]

Castlevania sucked when it went 3d. Streets of Rage 4 made a triumphant return to form going back to 2d. Judging the worth of a game soley on which perspective it takes is asinine. There's plenty of valid reasons why some would think Dread may not be worth the $60 to them: maybe they don't like the gameplay style, maybe they'll find it too short (after reviews), maybe it's too hard, maybe it's too easy. But simply saying 2D = bad, why bother commenting?

[@ultimate9056]

@@jamesalfredburchiii4052 I think it is a lot more to do with how pokemon is the largest media franchise and absolutely everything about it is controlled by one giant corporation called the pokemon company

[@EasyCure0]

@@jamesalfredburchiii4052 no, pokemon being a multimedia powerhouse and practically an annualized franchise is what got them n their predicament.

[@DizzyDiddy]

@@jamesalfredburchiii4052 if Metroid Dread is bad it won't sell well. Unfortunately, even if it is absolutely brilliant, its chances of selling well still aren't that great. But there is the potential for it to do well, considering the install base and the Switch being the only Nintendo system on the market. Samus seems to be a popular character, probably in no small part thanks to Smash, so who knows? Maybe this is her moment to really break out.

[@chunkymonkey7983]

I don't think they'll really care about how many people complain about the price, just about the amount of income they can generate.

[@camdencantwell846]

People have always payed full price for Pokémon…

[@el2746]

But pokemon prices were never above $30 (until switch??? i don't know i didn't even bother to look for the price). Interestingly enought everybody says old pokemon games were better. You may complain that the change of price is because the swtich is not fully portable console but that it's just nonsense because a game's price should never change depending of the console. Since the new president of Nintendo came they are making awful decisions. Yeah switch might be good, but now nintendo doesn't have that thing that made it different from microsoft or sony. They end up being the same fucking greedy companies.

[@AlexanderJoneshttps]

Poke'mon isn't worth £60 and that's annual

[@yu_cp8978]

Wow these Nintendo fanboys are clueless. Pokemon games were cheaper before switch and they have more content than any 2D Metroid.

[@AlexanderJoneshttps]

@@yu_cp8978 Yeah right most of it is dlc and resold with zero changes

[@chrisroper7317]

I have never played a Metroid game before, but I’m almost finished Metroid Prime and Hollow Knight, and seriously, this genre has such a great potential for dense gameplay. I personally value games based on replay-ability, because better games are gonna be more replay-able, even if they only go for 5-10 hours. Metroid Dread will be perfect for people who like replaying games, and it is definitely worth the $60 being charged.

[@pivotguydc1149]

They explained my argument perfectly in the first few minutes. A 10-hour game that is so tightly paced and designed it makes you want to replay it 8 times is worth more than a 60-hour game that you can only endure once.

[@pivotguydc1149]

And Metroid games are almost always the former. Sequence breaks, speedruns, 100% completion...they're designed with replays in mind. Even 1994's Super Metroid holds up this well.

[@TheKingOfAllHorror]

A thing is worth whatever people are willing to pay for it.

[@mrmeteor64]

What about what they are forced to pay. Looking that you region free blu ray play £200.

[@Fi___]

Yoshi's crafted world isn't freeee????

[@nuclearbeeberman]

@@mrmeteor64 I never saw anyone was forced to purchase a blu ray

[@Campbell464]

Its NOT worth $60 It’s worth the price of a Switch + $60 because this game is the reason I’m buying one

[@meta9492]

They had us in the first half not gonna lie

[@Fi___]

Did you know?: "average person says yes 100 times a day" factoid actualy just statistical error. Alex Olney, who likes 2d games & says yes over 10,000 times each day, is an outlier and should not have been counted.

[@calvinbrinenestoris2357]

My value for each 2d game on Switch: Metroid Dread: $60 Mario Maker 2: $60 Smash Ultimate: $60 Link's Awakening: $40 (-$20 for remake, would be $60 if it was a new 2d Zelda) Yoshi's Crafted World: $40 (-$20 for basic left-to-right level-by-level format instead of having more unique pathing and progression. I still love this game though) Kirby Star Allies: $30 (-$20 for having basic left-to-right level-by-level format. -$10 for being so short. Once again, still love this game) DKC Tropical Freeze: $30 (-$20 for being a Wii U port, -$10 for having basic left-to-right level-by-level format) Kirby Return to Dreamland Deluxe: $30 (-$20 for remake, -$10 for having basic left-to-right level-by-level format) I feel like the super simple format of just "getting to the end" to unlock the next level and then just going left to right to get to the end in that level is a really basic form of game design that so many 2d games use, and has a lot less nuance than the progression in a lot of 3d games. However, games LIKE Metroid Dread prove that you can make 2d games with that same level of nuance, you just have to have a more unique design philosophy. I'm not saying all 2d platformers have to be Metroidvanias, but being a Metroidvania isn't the ONLY way to make a 2d platformer have more interesting progression (ex. Kirby and the Amazing Mirror, Mario Maker 2)

[@qactustick]

If anyone's complaining about Dread's price, I hope they realize that an entire genre would look significantly different or maybe even not exist at all were it not for Metroid's contributions to shaping it well ahead of the rise of indie developers running with the ideas it helped pioneer. After all, they're called 'metroidvanias' for a reason!

[@mtcup]

If its “worth” it like the games of yesteryears where there were no DLC to complete the story, so why not

[@VideoGameAnimationStudy]

DLC doesn't "complete" a story in most cases, it's supplementary.

[@TheShachattack13]

Smash ultimate is a 2d game and a guarantee you more man hours went into developing that than nearly every 3D game

[@SeddyAm]

yes it is because sakurai has to be faithful for every character they present on game, that has a lot of research and development to make it work and feel natural on smash while being faithful thats include on maps as well.

[@jakobholgersson4400]

As amazing as Smash Ultimate is, I'm quite certain you're wrong. A modern Call of Duty takes a team of nearly a thousand skilled people three years to make. I adore many Nintendo franchises, but that doesn't detract from the fact that they, perhaps due to Iwata and his legacy, have miniscule budgets.

[@derekfreiley7980]

@@jakobholgersson4400 then why are all Call of Duty games terrible?

[@jakobholgersson4400]

@@derekfreiley7980 I don't like them, but quite factually they're extremely well crafted. MUCH more complex than anything Nintendo are making. Unfortunately, the CoD franchise is ruled to tightly by the marketing department.

[@UltraPrimeHunter]

Most fighting games are 2d

[@ijustsawthat]

Unpopular Opinion: Super Mario is a better game than Assassin's Creed.

[@leagueofdead569]

@@rokko_fable it is an opinion. I don't entirely understand it either. If you mean every Super Mario game is better than every Assassins creed game then you are just wrong. I like mario but I usually prefer Assassin's Creed

[@PortableOpossum]

I got the Special Edition of Metroid: Samus Returns and I'm gonna get the Special Edition of Dread. I can't wait for this game. Metroid is awesome.

[@seth-tanner]

Good luck, SpEd of Dread has been sold out since it was announced. Sold out in ~12 seconds after it became available

[@IamLaTerry]

It's interesting that you brought up Link's Awakening. I didn't but that at launch because I've played it several times before on Gameboy and $60 seemed too much for me. Sometime later, I saw it for $40 on a Black Friday sale and I was feeling nostalgic for it, so that was an okay price for me.

[@esmooth919]

What do you think about that's exactly where I was. I knew I wasn't paying $60 for a barely improved Game Boy game, but when I saw it on Black Friday, I had to snap it up. But funny thing is, I still pine for the GBC DX version, because there's just a certain charm about it that the 2019 version just does not have for me.

[@Revegelance]

I feel like the price of a game should be connected to the game's production value, which can often relate to the 2D vs 3D argument.

[@meno11408]

You do realise that could end up bringing up the MSRP for games in general.

[@el2746]

Nah, it's imposibble because a videogame is the mix of multiple forms of art (visual art, musical art, narration art). If people find it hard to value simple art it will be even harder to value all forms of art mixed and working at the same time...

[@a.liguria2698]

Back in my day no one complained if 2D games were "overpriced" at full price... if it was good, it was all that was needed... Kids these days are too much entitled... or spoiled...

[@That1PissedOffBoomer]

Goddamn right. Read my first comment. It's ridiculous it's like these people just expect these companies to give them all this content. I see it a lot with fighting games why do I have to pay for these characters why shouldn't these characters be free? Oh you mean why shouldn't the artist sacrifice entire periods of their life under extreme stress and crunch for your enjoyment and not to be paid for their services fuck off? Like what kills me is why is this even a question?

[@elv3a424]

@@That1PissedOffBoomer The artists don't get anything, it all goes to capcom/whichever company owns it. They force developers to work overtime for literal years, take the profits /and/ have predatory monetization schemes.

[@daniellebackus819]

Pretty sure it’s adults who are whining about this stuff.

[@a.liguria2698]

@@daniellebackus819 Even worse then!

[@Gnidel]

Indies thought they need to complete with AA and AAA games with price and that's a result.

[@user-nr2cs2rq7h]

Saying 2D games aren't worth full price is even worse than saying whole genres aren't worth full price

[@asacloutier7530]

Most farming Sims and sports games are certainly not worth full price. Assassins creed? Mass effect? Shouldn't have even sniffed a $30 price tag.... Certain genres are definitely priced unfairly for what you get.

[@who_the_fuck_is_riley5813]

@@asacloutier7530 If you count something like Stardew Valley as a farming sim, I'd say those styles of games are well worth full price and the actual cost is incredibly cheap for what you get.

[@crashfan123]

@@asacloutier7530 the mass effect collection is worth 60$ easily.

[@eliterun6214]

There are definitely a vocal group of fans willing to pay full price for Metroid dread, but I think it's a lot harder for casual gamers to get the appeal at full price, whereas a huge, open world in 3D is much easier to understand at full price.

[@violent8931]

That game not for casual gamer.. believe me, I still cant finish any metroid game till today. And I start Metroid since I was a kid with NES back then.. Its really not for casual.. :D

[@violent8931]

But if you mean in general, yeah.. agreed what you said.

[@rayzas4885]

Mario bros U shows otherwise

[@wolfegaming36]

One point worth noting: when the Switch launched, it was really hard to find. When I got mine, I bought it about a week after launch because that was the soonest I found one available, and I had to buy it as a bundle with BotW and 1-2-Switch. I'm sure lots of people bought the game separately, but I'm also sure there are others like me who just wanted a Switch, probably wouldn't have bought 1-2-Switch separately for $60 but got it anyway because for a while after launch, bundles were the only Switches you could find because Switches were being scalped or bought by people who were faster hitting the check out button. The end result is the same, people did actually buy the game, but that doesn't mean everyone who bought it actually wanted it so I think the numbers are a bit inflated in that sense, compared to Xenoblade or the others you mentioned. Games that are bundled always sell well, look at Tetris or other games that were bundled with their original systems.

[@Rimea]

yes.

[@mohammadabuqubu7079]

AFTER Nintendo's comments regarding Joy cons drift, I'm pretty sure that they don't want to listen to us Talking to wall has slight better chances to change something more than Nintendo lately

[@Mqstodon]

Changing what? Dread looks beautiful and the reaction was nothjng but positivity. Also every major game comlany sells gamws for 60$

[@wxldfl4wer850]

Get a pro controller. Stop complaining

[@mohammadabuqubu7079]

@@Mqstodon Dread looks good indeed, but what about the crappy Mario Golf? $60 lacking Wii U ports? Gazillion Mario games with no breaks in between, and emulated collection 3d all stars? Just to be clear, my comment is regarding DK port mentioned in the video, not about Dread

[@mohammadabuqubu7079]

@@wxldfl4wer850 Let me answer with a few points that even a fanboy like you would understand: - Joy cons are an integral part on the switch, so having pricey crappy quality important accessory is not acceptable. - Joy cons drifting is a problem that most switch owners face. - Joy cons are a must have for portability, which is the heart and soul of the switch - Having $60 alternative is not making the matter better - I bought a pro controller and it drifts too, with no simple fix to it. - If you got the money to buy 60-70 bucks controller/s every now and then, sure you don't have a problem. Me on the other hand, I want basically the console with as least as manufacturing issues as possible, so I can enjoy the switch with no need to see another controller after a couple of weeks. - Worst of all is that Nintendo is not convinced that this is a HUGE issue. So yeah, I must complain about such hefty priced low quality policy that Nintendo followed.

[@wxldfl4wer850]

@@mohammadabuqubu7079 you can get a wireless pro controller for 25 bucks, and no they don't drift cuz ive had mine for over a year with 0 problems, you don't need joycons for portable when the controllers are wireless, unless you physically cannot play without it being in handheld this shouldn't be an issue. My joycons have been completely broken for years and ive used my switch to it's full potential with just a pro controller. If your controllers are breaking in a week then im seriously just convinced you have a rage problem lmao. Don't throw it and it won't break. Simple.

[@cookedghost]

The way I see it, Metroid has a double disadvantage compared to other Nintendo games. One (and arguably most important), it has lots of competition - there's plenty of great 2D/Metroidvania games out there at a way lower price. Two, Metroid isn't really one of Nintendo's big names. It has a loyal fanbase, of course, but I feel that a 60$ price tag isn't going to do much to lure new fans in - especially, again, considering how many other similar games are available for lower prices. For me personally and for Metroid in particular, 60$ is a dealbreaker. I'm not really a sci-fi person; I look for something striking in 2D games (especially Metroidvanias) since they tend to feel samey after a while, and I'm not seeing much in Metroid Dread; last but not least, I already have both Ori games, Hollow Knight and Dead Cells to scratch that 2D itch. Right now, Metroid just isn't measuring up to the competition for me - and that price tag won't help any time soon, especially considering that indeed, Nintendo games rarely drop in price (and when they do the drops are negligible). Thanks for reading my wall of text, hope you have a great day :)

[@nanowasabi4421]

There are good Metroidvanias, certainly, but I wouldn't say there are plenty. The number of truly notable Metroidvanias that aren't Metroid or Castlevania could be lower than 10, depending on who you ask. If you've played Ori 1 and 2, Hollow Knight, and Axiom Verge (haven't played Dead Cells, is it good as a Metroidvania?) then you're already starting to scrape the bottom of the barrel as far as I'm concerned. (And if you know of any games that can truly compare to these, please for the love of God tell me about them :) )

[@MergonTheShade]

Some extra ranting: Just to try and be scientific about this, the value a person gets out of a game is in (time spent having fun), but also in (valued memories) and in (intense feelings) and (revelations). Ooh, and the ability to have fun together with friends, or even make new friends. There's so many things games do for us, so if we're going to argue about the individual monetary value of games... which may be beside the point, but if we are... then there's a lot more in the formula than just hours of playtime. That said, out of all of those, the total playtime is the only economic argument, because you need a new game when you're done with all your other games. Games that keep you busy for longer are better for your wallet, in that sense. Depends if you're someone who only buys what they play, or who just collects at a steady rate regardless.

[@joshm9363]

Completely agree! Well said!

[@andresvalverde5069]

I’m not concerned about Metroid at $60. I’m concerned about Advanced Wars at $60. I love that game, but don’t feel like it’s worth that much.

[@kahp1072]

So basically every Nintendo game now aren't worth full price anymore. It's such double standard because this and amiibo with way more intrusive funcionalities were never a issue before. 🙄

[@Amexy-mr6lw]

Ik right? I bet that when games like Zelda botw 2,splatoon3,Mario + rabbids sparks of hope,etc. Come out people are still gonna say they aren’t worth 60dls for some stupid reason

[@dinar8749]

@@Amexy-mr6lw It's just twitter being twitter, spewing out garbage takes over and over again.

[@remix4098]

Probably

[@bigcade554]

Yes. 2D doesn't make a game any less valuable, same thing when people argue that platformers shouldn't be full priced. It's all about the quality and scale of the content, not how it's presented via genre or perspective.

[@remix4098]

Yes it does. Not to mention 2D games usually offer less content and therefore takes less hours to beat. And less hours of extra side quest content.

[@Jcorry123]

It obviously depends on the amount of content and the quality of the presentation. But hey, a lot of 3d games aren't worth 60 dollars and they release at that price, so... I can't believe anyone is surprised at the price tag though. If DKC:TF was 60 dollars on Switch, how would this ever not be?

[@NateTheToast]

I think it depends on the scope and features that the 2D game offers. To be fair that is true of any game with regard to it being 3D and 2D, but I think 3D games naturally have more options.

[@DanielRoozen]

2D vs 3D is not the question. It's the time. Yes, it's the enjoyment, but there's an expectation that a $60 game should give you at least 20 - 40 hours of quality enjoyment. I should have done more research, but I felt a little cheated expecting that kind of value and then I finished playing Dread in 7 hours.

[@Insert.Oregano]

I just beat Zero Mission the other day and I loved it SO much! Bought Samus Returns that night and I'm also loving that. I'm going to end up playing Super and Fusion before Dread comes out, too. I'm so glad I gave the franchise another chance!

[@georgecardenas2420]

Definitely play Super Metroid!!! It's a Masterpiece of a game! Literally get the urge to play through it at least 3-4 times a year!

[@dinnerking1998]

Celeste is a 60$ quality game that’s only sold for 20$

[@angrybengo]

Same with hollow knight and that’s only $15

[@dronessential]

It's a bit monotonous, though. I wouldn't go as far as to say that Celeste is worth the same as BOTW.

[@chunkymonkey7983]

I wouldn't say that... Maybe you do think the quality is worth 60$, but even so, it is just an Indie game at the end of the day. I'm sure it took a lot less money to create Celeste than it did for Metroid Dread.

[@thebravegallade731]

@@dronessential technically, BOTW is a 60$ game thats worth more. people bought the switch just for BOTW

[@anowhereguy2521]

Alternate title: Are Assassin's Creed games worth $60?

[@gaWgaMes]

Yes.

[@tardaniele]

No

[@thelegendofstonecoldstevea3205]

Yes, why wouldn’t they be?

[@Spectral_Thief10]

Some are some are not

[@Speedo94]

@@Spectral_Thief10 what are the shit ones?

[@carlosmaestre]

And while I get the "simpler" at around 2:00, it sounds somewhat off, right? I mean, Super Mario World is so carefully crafted, as is Ori and Hollow Knight, that is hard to call it a "simple achievement". Is it "simpler" than Superman 64 because the 2D style? I try to be really cautious about adjectives and adj. comparatives.

[@violent8931]

Sometime we really need to see whos that developer.. You cant forcing Shovel Knight developer to make 3D game at Doom Eternal level.. Same as MercurySteam.. They not well known for graphically intense for their games..

[@Katie-hb8iq]

The problem with Donkey Kong on Switch is that if Nintendo wasn't so entrenched into the stone age, they would have supported backwards combability with the Wii U and everyone could have just played their Wii U titles on the Switch like Xbox users can on the Series X. In that case, I think Donkey Kong is worth nothing if you already own it. Same goes for Pikman 3, Mario Bros U, and a whole bunch of other games.

[@Hamlock_]

How are you gonna have backwards compatibility for Wii U on Switch? Where does the disc go in?

[@Katie-hb8iq]

1) Digital Versions 2) Maybe they should stop creating proprietary storage solutions and just use the industry standard from console to console... like everyone else. I mean, Nintendo created the problem, not me. They didn't have to go with Switch cartridges. They could have designed it any way they wanted to and choose not to.

[@Hamlock_]

@@Katie-hb8iq but what if someone wants to buy a physical copy instead of digital? at that point it's easier to just make a deluxe version and port it to switch.

[@alurimel]

Everybody keeps saying they prefer a 8 hour densely packed experience than a bloated 30 hour experience like these are the only possible outcomes. What about games that have amazing content for 30 hours? Should those be worth the same?

[@justie04]

I've gotten the value of Breath of the Wild out of the game at least 20 times over, especially when I compare play history of that with other games I've played. I'm hoping dread has bigger maps and more enemies, or maybe even more backtracking to extend the time the game plays for, but honestly, I'll be happy to just have the game.

[@bewarebewear1507]

Yeah a game with just 8 hours of experience def isnt worth 60$, I guess for me its because I mostly play games for online aspects and dont usually care about story so it might not be for me

[@SilentlineProduction]

Metroid should not be judged it looks better in 2D and it’s a legend like Zelda def worth normal game price(60)

[@JacobPDeIiNoNi]

Never say something shouldn't be judged, if we aren't judging the quality of games that's how we end up wiht situations like Sw/Sh. But it is def worth $60.

[@remix4098]

It shouldn't be 60

[@hyrulegend9786]

I'll be Buying Metroid Dread Day one! So yes For me! 🙌🏻😜

[@Chuck_Tarnish]

Ditto!! 🔥🔥🔥

[@hyrulegend9786]

@@Chuck_Tarnish That's the spirit 🔥

[@iamjohnporter67]

Gamers: GIVE US METRIOD NINTENDO! Nintendo: Okay here is Metroid Dread but it will cost $60 Gamers: SCREW YOU I AM NOT PAYING THAT MUCH!

[@TheInfinityMaster1]

I agree with Jon, it is the *enjoyment* that matter at the end, but you know what is even better? If the game is *BOTH* long AND enjoyable at the same time that makes it even more worth the full price on it. Want an example? Look no further than the *The Legend of Heroes* franchise. The story? The gameplay? The music? The overall length of the game? It has everything I could ever ask for really and I simply cannot wait for the upcoming games in that series in 2022-2023! :D

[@nikolavonfulton5195]

Yes. It takes just as long to make 2d games as 3d games.

[@Monafide3305]

Development time =/= value. If that were true Duke Nukem Forever should cost as much as a modern console.

[@TheDarkid97]

Well, Metroid Dread is apparently outselling Madden 21 and Far Cry 6 and all other games announced at e3 2021 in pre-orders so...🤷🏻‍♂️

[@AngelDelgado-rl9qi]

Remember scalpers, preorder numbers aren't always as they seem.

[@HaohmaruHL]

The same people probably pay $60 for a sports game every year and consider it normal..

[@Dragon_Ryder]

I will absolutely buy a game I think/know I’ll enjoy. Link’s Awakening 2019 and NSMBU Deluxe are games I will never regret paying $60 for because I had a lot of fun with them, and I also won’t regret buying the Metroid Dread special edition (if I can find it) because the series deserves so much more love than it gets, and I’m confident I’ll enjoy the game (but also that art book looks super sick). In my opinion, any great game that obviously has a lot of care, love, and hard work put into it is easily worth that price, no matter the genre, even if it doesn’t interest me personally. Hollow Knight is a game I would’ve bought without question even if it was $40-60. It’s a gorgeous game with tight gameplay and amazing hand-drawn animation. The amount of work put into it is incredibly apparent, and I’m hoping I can give them a little more than $15 for Silksong because they totally deserve it. Indie games are generally priced lower because indie devs may not need as much money to as AAA devs to sustain their business, but that doesn’t necessarily make a well-made, thoughtful AAA game overpriced. I also agree that if a port with minimal upgrades is priced higher than the original release, that’s less okay. Like, Tropical Freeze could’ve been a $60 game on the WiiU and it would’ve made total sense, but if they’ve shown they’re willing to accept $50 for the game, why is it priced higher on Switch? To me, that’s the main difference between the prices of TF Switch and LA2019, even though they’re the same price. I mean, TF is well worth the $60 price tag, but the main problem is the price hike upon rerelease. If there’s a game you really want to play or a game you’ll immensely enjoy, you’ll probably fork out that money in a heartbeat. If you don’t think X game is worth Y dollars, then maybe you weren’t going to enjoy it much anyway, and you could save that money for a game you’ll enjoy more. Anyway, to whoever might be reading this, have a great day :)

[@stuartmcallister3341]

Games used to be MORE expensive back in the day when taking inflation into account.

[@Nic5Cyprus]

Always have been

[@rockytem2709]

What I've learned over the years is that Nintendo sheep will pay any price for anything. That's not to say that fans of any company won't do the same.

[@paulnewhouse5126]

2D and side scrolling are two completely different things guys.

[@remix4098]

A significant amount of 2D games are side scrollers. But it's irrevelant. Almost no 2D game is worth $60 regardless how good the game is.

[@BitchChill]

@@remix4098 How come?

[@remix4098]

@@BitchChill less special area and visuals. It’s a ripoff unless it’s a collectors edition or a game pack of multiple games.

[@DianeHeartbeat]

Dread is in my opinion one of the greatest games of all time

[@lilaclover1018]

I loved Metroid Dread and I think it was worth $60. Do I wish it was cheaper? Yes. Did I still enjoy it and would buy it again? Also yes.