Nissan Frontier Takes On Mud, Rocks & Water! Is it Still Competitive? And Something Broke....

[@ryanmartinage]

Here's my view as a Frontier owner... EVERYONE ALWAYS complains about how expensive trucks are, that they've lost their utilitarianism, that they're cowboy cadillacs, etc.. The Nissan IS affordable (especially on the used market), can be fully cleaned inside with a towel and spray cleaner, has competitive towing and payload, gets decent mpg with the 9 speed, and IS STILL EASY TO WORK ON / FIX. My 2020 has the 9 speed and new engine but old body style. No start stop, no modes, no crap you dont need. Its been rock solid and simple to maintain. Nissan kept what was GOOD about a TRUCK. People want these things then fawn over all this 4 cylinder turbocharged crap that will all break in the future. This is a half ton platform midsize truck with a beefy rear end, 1/2 ton trans, and big boi frame channels. This thing is meant to do the job at an affordable price and all I see are people complaining. This is the truck most people ask for yet people bitch its not fancy. In the words of Vice Grip Garage, HELP ME UNDERSTAND.

[@garysarratt1]

I feel ya, but this one didn’t break in the future.

[@MeliorIlle]

You pretty much summed up the average truck buyer, a bunch of idiots that don't need a truck and don't use their truck for truck things. Instead, they want big screens and heated steering wheels which makes actual truck users have to pay 40 GRAND for a mid size.

[@chinr604]

I have a 2018 Titan, without big screen and with real buttons for day to day use features. No features buried into a screen that can freeze. Sometimes old tech, works better. Only things I need. Less to break down.

[@carlmcdonald5864]

The problem is with out all the tec it still costs to much

[@TheMutchlerchad]

Exactly! Like you, I have the old body with the new engine/transmission (2021 4X4 SV crew cab). I have a 2 1/2" lift with upgraded suspension and 32" tires. For me, it's the perfect blend of on road/off road ability. I love the way it looks and I really love how simple it is and devoid of many expensive (and costly) features. It's not the latest and greatest, but I don't need (or wish to pay for) the newest thing. Don't get me wrong, I really like many of the new vehicles with all the fancy features. However, for many people (myself included), I enjoy the peace of mind that comes with knowing that I don't have tons of potential little "features" to fail and have to fix. As with most things in life, everything is a trade off, and for me, my little Frontier makes a lot of sense. And one more thing...YES, tires are super important as has already been pointed out!

[@dcb805]

Basically street tires on the truck taken into soupy mud.Stopping in a hole and finding yourself stuck. Got to really wonder about driving skills before criticizing the truck.

[@St.Irenaeus]

Exactly. The driving was lame AF 😆

[@stepheng5843]

Agreed 👍

[@trevorhanson86]

Yea, Nissan is cool and i like their ramen too.

[@Harps555]

It's like he intentionally came off the gas on all the exact moments he should have been punching it.

[@BillyBobTup]

You guys might be making a good point. But, the slipping wheel braking/traction control(faux locker/limited slip) seemed non existent. And, after all, those are the AT tires that came on the truck. Tires that are better in mud would have helped a lot, but once a front tire starts spinning uselessly or is in the air, tires become irrelevant. You will get no help out of that axle unless you brake the spinning tire or lock the axle(or at least limit the slip). But, I will admit this: if they had some true mud tires on this truck, it might have cleared the tread and gripped enough to push them far enough for the lifted rt or lt tire to come back down to earth and find some grip. But what brand new truck comes with real mud tires? And that broken shock is not inspiring either. It would have been interesting to have a Chevy Trail Boss along on the same day, as well as a few other competitors.

[@tonymontana3742]

A local dealer has $7 grand off a loaded Frontier. Pay less than $40 grand for a Nissan or more than $50 grand for a Tacoma. I'll take the Nissan with better tires and a winch.

[@mad-meh2719]

Why not get a 23 tacoma

[@mabelpup8502]

@@mad-meh2719oh yea, those are easy to find…..

[@beexiong2995]

7k off? Lol they are struggling to sell

[@joescott1377]

$7,000.00 off just goes to show how much they are marked up. The dealer still has to make at least a few thousand on the deal also. They won't sell it for invoice.

[@is6566]

For $37k it might be ok.

[@Thankyou_3]

Smart buyer would buy the Frontier over any other new truck in 2024. Naturally aspirated engine 3.8 V6 with traditional transmission. You can’t go wrong.

[@jonathanchristiansen7593]

only shitty thing is the short box.. I want a truck like this with a 6ft

[@crashdrc]

@@jonathanchristiansen7593 they sell a long bed version

[@FossilizedSoul]

A problem I have with this video (and I'm not a frontier owner) is that they declared the frontier "all washed up" without also testing comparably priced trucks under the same conditions. I viewed a number of their past videos that tested other midsized trucks under difficult but not exactly the same conditions and while they were more capable they also cost 10k more. It would be interesting to see the pro4x compared to the colorado trailboss, tacoma offroad, ranger xlt, canyon at4 under the same conditions on the same day. That would be interesting.

[@BillyBobTup]

Yes, that would have been interesting and very useful! The wild card is the conditions on any given day.

[@whitehorse1]

Yes. Given the same conditions for all those trucks, I'll bet they ALL would be stuck and have to have DAD recover him.

[@jmar3011]

Nissan ABLS works in 4lo which you didn’t try. You went from 4hi to 4lo locked. If you really wanted to test the ABLS you have to put it in 4lo unlocked. If you’re gonna test a vehicle and give your opinion at least read the owner’s manual.

[@passageuncharted1585]

I was looking for someone to mention this. Definitely need to learn to use all the features before actually making a video review.

[@BillyBobTup]

"If you really wanted to test the ABLS you have to put it in 4lo unlocked.". So, ABLS won't work on the front axle if the rear is locked? Why would they do that? Wouldn't 4 wheel ABLS be hugely useful in both 4 Hi and 4 lo, whether the rear is locked or not? Even if 4 Lo is required, don't most newer truck apply some sort of braking to a spinning rt or lt front wheel if the rear is locked? And don't some do so in 4HI?

[@glow4417]

You need ABLS to work with the locker. The front should be braking to help assist the rear. Nissan's just suck off-road. Not saying this truck is not a decent value, but every video off-road shows how this truck is seriously lacking -- especially considering it has a rear locker.

[@171JUSTIN]

If I remember correctly it also has to be in 1st or 2nd, not drive

[@Pabloperes675]

Damn right

[@markcarlile7380]

I feel like this video was designed to cause failure like let me be so gentle that cause wheel slip and failed attempt, the whole steering was because there is no steer by wire, the old school feel is the reason why people love it, it’s not disconnected from the trail the way drive by wire is, the engine is the most reliable of any modern midsize, no interference engine, constant under boost low displacement motor, it is the old school of this truck that makes it so appealing

[@MrMikeDao]

Yeah it's good for uneducated folks that are too lazy to learn. But I would never pay 40k+ for old tech and engineering. Could've just bought last generation and save 10-15k if people truly just want a truck for truck use. This truck is a fail compared to its competitors, hence low sales and always low resale value. Anyone that buys this generation instead of last generation, a part of them want to just look modern with some modern tech and can't afford the others. Nissan will forever be a low quality brand.

[@pagodad8079]

Nah dude, they don’t want to trash a brand new truck Nissan let them use for the video. These guys know what they’re doing. The truck is subpar for the most part.

[@markcarlile7380]

Not even close to being subpar, Toyotas already recalling tundras and tacomas, everyone including me that has the new pro 4x loves it not only for reliability but also for the old school simplicity, not to mention they seem to be promoting dealer “nismo” crap, anyone that actually has these trucks use bilstein, all dogs, or koni, the fact they are utilizing nismo crap says a lot about them “knowing what they are doing” calling it how I see it

[@nismo370z4]

Who puts all the extra off road parts and money into their truck and uses such crappy at tires ?? 😂😂🤣

[@monocogenit1]

And the nismo stuff is kinda junk

[@border411]

My thoughts exactly. Tires should be your FIRST upgrade.

[@Flying_Dollar_Motorsports]

Manufacturers have to play to the majority of buyers who will use this as a daily driver and need the balance of on road performance and some off road capabilities. Additionally, they have to meet safety requirements and a more road biased tire helps them meet performance parameters for safety requirements. If you want the best off road performance, you have to expect to buy new tires.

[@DavidNaritaYT]

I was thinking the same thing lol😂

[@Garlander]

"the frontier has a nose down attitude" yeah that's called a rake, most trucks have that.

[@Supernova778]

You could have mention that the shocks were built by bilstien… In all honesty it may have old tech but that’s what everyone seems to say they want from a truck. If it had all the new gadgets and a turbo engine you’d say it lost its character and is to fancy for truck people. I’m on my 2nd frontier with over 250k miles and longevity is what matters.

[@chavaliernsharps159]

On my second Fronty as well! Started with an awesome used 2014 that I modified for offroad and camping. Now with a 2012 and can't wait for my tires. Still going camping this weekend as I know the Fronty can handle it. I started my offroad journey bone stock. The THOUSANDS I save I put towards camping and kayaking! The Frontier has really been a dream!

[@stephenfleet8426]

I’ve been a Toyota guy my whole life. Just made the switch to a new Nissan Frontier strictly due to price. So far, I’ve been very happy. It’s a great rig.

[@PiratePete-te8qp]

TFL had a brand new Toyota Tacoma that broke not doing shit. This Nissan frontier is way underrated because everyone wants new tech computer bullshit. That the Nissan don't have.

[@imnotusingmyrealname4566]

Yup. Either Ford or GM are the worst with everything being in the screen. Toyota was so lazy with the new Tacoma that the Frontier is actually better than it.

[@imnotusingmyrealname4566]

Where did the Tacoma break?

[@bionicwolf3342]

@@imnotusingmyrealname4566TFL Truck

[@Vec135]

Nissan is about ready to be done as a company 😂 all of their sales are fleet sales. 🗑️ 🚮

[@garysarratt1]

This one broke right here.

[@eppyz]

What I like about the Frontier is its honest in what it is. There are no Turbo's, nothing crazy fancy under the hood, or suspension, its just old school proven. The part I don't get is the price. I understand these trucks have newer safety tech and all, but in 2019 I bought a new Pro 4X fully loaded for $31,400(US) plus tax and fees. A new Pro 4X similarly equipped costs almost $50k. I do not see $19k worth of stuff on the new truck. Other than that? I prefer the Frontier over the others in the class for its simplicity.

[@FreddyF249]

What's worst the 2024 is 3.5k more than 2023. nothing changed

[@eppyz]

@@FreddyF249 Didn't know that. I just can't get over how much stuff has gone up Pre Covid times to now Post Covid times. I bought my Wife's Pro 4X on discount because during COVID no one was buying cars. So we got a really good deal, but now you go to the Dealer and they won't even budge on prices at all. When I just happened to look at a new Frontier PRO 4X while at the dealer getting an oil filter my our Frontier I noticed some neat features on the new truck, but then I looked and saw all it didn't have for the price point. No Sunroof, No Leather, no heated seats, even the Utili Track system wasn't as good, our truck has rails on the bed floor the new truck doesn't. Yes the new truck has more "gadgets" and tech, but most of that is useless off road and doesn't really make it a "Better" truck overall. But this particular PRO 4X was $46k. One with Leather and a Sunroof was $50k. I told the sales guy that is freaking ridiculous I would never pay that for a Truck. Heck in 2015 our then New Titan 4x4 was bought for under $40k its just crazy how much things have gone up and people seem ok with it for some reason, just saying its "Inflation". At no time in USA history has "Inflation" gone up 20-25% in 3 yrs. Folks, we are being played. Enough Said. Nice truck yes, but not $50k nice.

[@beexiong2995]

Nissan cant sell the nissan in 2025 with the V6. They will be forced into the turbo 4 like everyone else 😂

[@eppyz]

@@beexiong2995 Hope not I would prefer a NA motor. Less parts usually equals to more reliability. Only thing I like about a turbo is low end TQ. For reliability though? NA all the way.

[@beexiong2995]

@@eppyz go look it up. Everyone dropped their NA v6.

[@shannoncasper8670]

I've had several Nissan trucks and always had great results. A good mud grip tire and better driver would make this a real video.

[@HotSneks]

Blew a shock but at least that front diff is fine and still driving in 4wd so you didn't need to be towed by a Chevy 😂.

[@beexiong2995]

This truck is riding on 2006 tech and still blowing shocks

[@HotSneks]

@@beexiong2995 It still rides in 4WD and that's the important part. 😁

[@beexiong2995]

@@HotSneks yeah but once you on pavement you gotta switch to 2wd hi. That shock is gonna make the truck drive scary. At least the tfl tacoma drove im 2wd fine lol

[@HotSneks]

@@beexiong2995You can make an argument for what feels 'scary'. Hell, when I had a '95 Tacoma it felt like death looming whenever I go over 60 on a highway. The point being is that when a shock goes out, it is easy to replace and that a truck can function fine for awhile without it. A truck that suddenly loses ALL ability to use 4wd however, is now just and overpriced heavy sedan with a bed. At the end of the day, would you rather have a blown shock or a blown diff?

[@pnwdweler4100]

@@beexiong2995 The Tacoma would have been dead on the hill if the Colorado hadn't been there to pull it out. It was going nowhere on that icy trail in 2WD.

[@skiptheroad]

I usually give your videos a thumbs up but I sensed a bit of bias. Even though this wasn't your truck and you drove it extremely cautious, I've seen you drive other brands of midsize trucks with much more gusto. It seemed to me that you wanted the truck to fail but it came off like you who failed as a driver. If Nissan lends you a truck to test drive and review their is no reason to hold back. So what if they have to come a retrieve it with a wrecker. At least you would still be left with your dignity and the respect of your viewers. I'd be willing to watch you do another test of this model with proper mud tires and maybe a couple of liters of mountain dew to help with your driving attitude. 😊

[@glow4417]

Nah, there are a ton of video's online showing how the Frontier is poor off-road. The traction control is just horrible.

[@dmcmc4837]

The tires are clearly the issue.

[@is6566]

Other than that it broke the shock? 😃

[@joseeduardo4327]

@@is6566shock didn’t cause the wheel slip that happened in every obstacle

[@is6566]

@jose… Sure it didn’t cause wheel slip but CLEARLY the truck experienced something else other than wheel slip, too. 😃

[@johndeere8594]

Plus he keeps stopping.

[@ejesoriginal]

@@is6566 the truck or something else broke the shock?? That makes NO sense. The shock just broke. It's a part. Parts do fail - even new ones. I suppose you can blame Bilstein if you just have to blame someone; they make the Nismo shocks. Go watch TFL's new Tacoma's front wheel drive part(s) break while slipping a little bit on some ice in comparison. Me, personally, I'd rather have to get a shock replaced...

[@justinfoy7514]

I love the Frontier for what it is. A simple, no nonsense truck. Naturally asperated, none of the stupid electronics that so many trucks have now. It can still be worked on in the driveway and is OK on fuel. I do wish it was a floor shifter for the transfer case and not the electronic shift, but those don't exist anymore. From factory it comes with some terrible tires, but upgrade those and it's a beast. The old school drivability of the truck is meant for a very specific segment. The Frontier is IMO still the best mid sized truck, but I hate all the new technology.

[@ejesoriginal]

No amount of traction control will help with a "no traction" situation. I think you actually can pin it all on the (terrible) tires as I think the Frontier would be a different truck in those conditions with better tires.

[@BillyBobTup]

"No amount of traction control will help with a "no traction" situation. I think you actually can pin it all on the (terrible) tires as I think the Frontier would be a different truck in those conditions with better tires.".............. I agree, but applying a brake to a uselessly spinning wheel and sending power to a wheel that MIGHT have better traction might make the difference in slowly moving forward vs stuck. And in this day and age, I really want any truck I have to be able to either lock and axle or greatly limit a spinning tire. All for the same reason that I want lockers or at least limited slip difs. Some good mud tires probably would have pushed this Nissan thru, but what new truck comes with true mudders?

[@Vugaable]

I Put Nitto ridge grapplers on mine immediately. No problems since and I couldn't be happier!!! 275 70 r 17 fit stock with no problem as well...

[@Otzchieem]

I’m glad I’m not the only one seeing the same problems in this video. Tires and condition and driver more than anything else plus very little effort

[@myname9856]

Nissan has tuned its traction control to be very aggressive in 4-lo, and not really there in 4-hi. This is a lack of knowledge on the tester

[@Enchanted3DPrints]

Seems like a lack of traction control by Nissan really. Ive been offroading my whole life(mostly old trucks some new) If my truck has traction control I want it there in all drive modes

[@monocogenit1]

I bought a brand new 23' pro4x in Dallas TX for $40k in May of 2023, about 3k off msrp. Love it.

[@tomlong6501]

I’m very pleased with my 2024 Pro-4X. Price was right. Comfortable on highway. Getting 22-24 mpg in mixed driving. I’m not a hard core off-roader, but have used on deep sand (tires 18psi) and on rough forest service roads/trails with rocks and mud and haven’t gotten stuck yet… and haven’t shifted to 4L or used the locker. Haven’t had a snow opportunity yet. Have the OE Hankook DynaPro ATs. Anyhow, the Frontier may not be the most capable in extreme off-road conditions but for most of us a very desirable and reliable truck at a great price.

[@Syringe666]

Better tires made a huge difference on our '11 Frontier V6 6MT. Ground clearance and turning radius are certainly weak points on ours, but being able to completely disengage the primitive stability and traction controls on the truck is great. Everything still works on it as we approach 200K miles with mostly basic maintenance. Even with regularly towing ~2000 lbs., the clutch still lasted to about 160,000, and the engine still sounds good and pulls well. The 4x4 time it sees is mostly snow wheeling, and some muddy trails - it does okay on both -- tires, as you said. For the new one, it seems like they didn't go far enough in design to make a substantial improvement over what they were already producing overall. No excuse for that shock giving up, either, especially since what we saw of your test was low-speed.

[@St.Irenaeus]

If that truck had good tires this would be a completely different story. 🤦🏽‍♂️ great truck

[@Cjaimes23]

A month ago, i purchased a 2024 Tacoma sr5 for over $38k, this was by far the worse financial decision I’ve ever made. Hated everything about it, I was only getting 15-18 mpg, 260 miles per tank, the truck was sloooooooow, that 4 cylinder was Toyota’s worst mistake. The inside is smaller than all midsize trucks out there. Luckily I was able to sell that piece of poop to my local Nissan dealership, they paid off my loan completely and bought a Frontier pro 4x for a little over 39k after all rebates and negotiations. I couldn’t be happier, this is day and night for me, this truck can move, plus I have about 6 in more of leg room in the back and front, this feels like a real truck. Everyone says that tacomas always retain their value but I highly doubt that will be take case with this 4gen Tacoma.

[@kevinstarski1598]

Well, if they paid off your loan, I don't think that's such a bad financial decision...

[@Misfit_Z71]

You can definitely see that its a tire and some operator issue. Switch them up with some nitto ridge grapplers and you would've destroyed that course with no issues. First off, why are you using traction control and then trashing traction control?lol Heres the problem with alot of "off-road enthusiasts". Alot of you guys want a jeep like truck with all the bells and whistles for the price of a honda civic. This isnt 2001 anymore where you can get those prices. There have been multiple videos where this truck is doing just as well as a TRD pro. The frontier is a no nonsense type of truck and you can tell.

[@thedude828-ed2nn]

Yea this dude sucks a driving like big time. And yea the tires suck also for sure but this guy needs to learn to drive.

[@4rr44E]

My 2022 Pro-4X already has 40k miles on her and I love the truck. She sits on a 2” lift and a set of Mickey Thompson Baja Boss’s.

[@onefastr6]

2022 Frontier owner. It has several shortcomings, but so do all the other mid size competitors. It’s a trade off, each truck will do something better than the others and vice versa. 🤷‍♂️

[@ricardoguerra9693]

How is the turning radius? Is it really bad or is it exaggerated. I haven’t had the chance to test one yet.

[@onefastr6]

@@ricardoguerra9693 Pretty bad tbh. It takes some planning in city environments and u turns are awful.

[@is6566]

@onefast… Man, you are the only Frontier owner in this comment section with clear mind when it comes to the truck.

[@stevenpeterson7234]

Steve, you always do this with Nissan's trucks. You said the Titan got stuck and now the Frontier is stuck. Ive seen you use momentum with Toyota's and other trucks!! I call bullshit!!

[@glow4417]

Watch other video's on KZbin, these trucks are not good off-road.

[@yyfreak1637]

@@glow4417everyone who owns one disagrees

[@TristanStClair]

It's crazy how many people REALLY want to hate the Frontier. It's honestly a great truck that's punching above its weight, especially for significantly less money than the competition.

[@nd3498]

It’s because they made a poor choice with the Tacoma and want everyone to be as miserable as them. Misery loves company. Besides how many of you are taking your trucks “off-road “. I bet they’ve never touched grass.

[@TristanStClair]

@@nd3498 Exactly. I'm not a hard-core wheeler at all, but I have zero doubts my truck would get me where I needed to go if I did need to ditch the pavement.

[@robertyoung8289]

Unlikely..but if my 2020 Tacoma TRD PRO ever dies I'll be marching down to my nearest Nissan dealer. Shame on you Toyota! You lost your way.

[@healthyamerican]

i feel the same way about stellantis, dropping the jeep srt to focus on electric nonsense.

[@glow4417]

But the Tacoma would have easily made it through that mud obstacle. Not saying the Frontier is a horrible deal, but what good is a truck that sucks off-road? Every video on KZbin shows how the Frontier struggles in moderately difficult obstacles. Nissan's traction control is horrible.

[@bobdole7701]

I got rid of my 2017 TRD for a 2023 PRO4X and I'm happy I did.

[@robertyoung8289]

@@bobdole7701 update from my previous post. I traded my PRO in on the Frontier! So glad I did. What a incredibly well built truck. Very comfortable and quick.

[@WhiteSubie]

I bought a 2023 and it's perfect. Way better than my 23 Ridgeline and better than the others I test drove.

[@tonymontana3742]

For some reason Honda chose not to go rugged with the Ridgeline, still good but boring.

[@diegovn]

Why is it better in your opinion? I got the pro4x and I love it, but I will never off-road, and the back seats aren't the best thing (compared to an SUV) for my kiddo. Because of it, I was thinking if I shouldn't have taken the Ridgeline Instead.

[@eddiehaskell5578]

First thing he does is bottom out the entire unit on a hump and then says the traction control sucks. Sorry, but any stock truck would’ve been hung up on that thing😅 The truck was saying,” this guy can’t drive , help! 😅

[@garysarratt1]

Quit making excuses; all the vehicles they mud go on the same course, and “this guy” drives it often. Why would they try to make something look bad, if the ever wanna sniff another Nissan and make more money?

[@ZenEndurance]

@@garysarratt1Dude. That truck was high centered and nothing would have helped. Driver was the problem.

[@garysarratt1]

@@ZenEndurance If nothing would have helped, how could the driver “help”?

[@rhodesianhunter9360]

@@garysarratt1if he drives off of a cliff is it the trucks fault or the drivers? Same thing happened here.

[@is6566]

Excuse after excuse to explain away why the frontier failed. “This guy” probably drove that trail on their property at least a 100 times on video in the last 5 years. Sure he doesn’t know what he is doing. /end of sarcasm

[@brackeng1294]

I drive a second gen frontier and do lots of off-roading and overlanding. Nissan has always struggled with ground clearance and turning radius. I wish they would release a higher clearance model like Chevy did with ZR2. Cut out bumpers and a front locker would go along way. Stock tires suck too but everybody changes tires anyway. I lifted mine 2.5” with 33’s which works great with the wheelbase. 4wd system works great without all the Nannies that other vehicles have. About the same break over angle as a buddies JT on 35’s. Mine has gone everywhere my friends similarly built tacomas and gladiators have been.

[@brackeng1294]

It would also be nice if the next edition was boatsided below the belt line. Tacoma does this and it gives the appearance of more clearance even if the numbers are the same.

[@GNandGS]

Had to hurry up and offset that broken Tacoma diff eh? Lol.

[@Enchanted3DPrints]

They dont work with TFL anymore. They are a completely different company.

[@abbaby555]

At least the front diff didn't fail

[@thekin10]

Dueler tires have extremly weak side wall on top of all those downfall. Avoid. Duratrak or KO2 are way better.

[@SaltyDog69]

I go KO2 for the win. They last a long time as well.

[@mak450]

The shock breaking is inexcusable, but having seen other reviews and not seeing that happen, it wouldn't disturb me too much as a potential buyer. I don't have alot of experience with Bilstein but I'd expect them to not be turning out many lemons. The tires really were outmatched in these conditions, though, and I hope something more aggressive is at least an option. Generally though, I think the Frontier could still be one of the better values in the segment, they really do need to be more transparent about the Nismo suspension though, I find the fact they wouldn't tell you more about it concerning.

[@boomboompao411]

Are you guys sponsored by Toyota? 😉

[@theguy9234]

My local nissan dealer has new pro4x listed at 42k$. Sales guy kept telling can go lower. So for not great cameras and older tech. I think it's just fine.

[@scotttwood]

I hate electric steering. Why do almost all auto reviewers complain about it? I also want a real key. Not the push button starts. I hate the push-button start feature. And I absolutely despise the infotainment screens and digital gages. The closer to being old school, the better.

[@onefastr6]

2024 called and said good luck with all that moving forward.

[@amoore2165]

Hold your horses. Going a little too far down the road. 😂

[@diegovn]

@scotttwood I do prefer the hydraulic steering well because of the feedback, and I don't like the turbos because of its...not linear output + smaller reliability, but the rest of the tech is more than welcome.

[@popeyeluvsfronti]

Bashing homers for toyota. Drv my rig and you'll see how capable this beast really is. My set-up is simple. Nismo is for racing, not going slow and set-up to fail type vid. Pick your rig of choice, and lets go. I have no nismo, but my setup isn't for racing baja. I like all midsize trucks but this Frontier pro-4x kills the competition when it comes to availability and 4 low capability.

[@Adriangee818]

They’ve been glazing the new Tacoma lately meanwhile they’re having a lot of issues of course they’re going to give the frontier bad publicity

[@clintshanks2538]

P4X has the best crawl ratio of all except the Rubicon. 4lo and 9 speed is amazing. Mine isn’t even built, and I’ve only upgraded tires to Falken. I’d killed that course and even my Wildpeaks wouldn’t be ideal for that slop.

[@shaneburry7744]

I’m almost speechless here …. I’m a happy Toyota Tacoma owner but also know the strong capability of the Nissan Frontier. Both trucks have their strong and weak points, but both have very good 4x4 systems and are very capable. You guys couldn’t have done a worse job on reviewing this truck! Completely botched it! Very clearly driver error was a factor here. Sure, better tires would have made a difference but you guys never gave it a chance. You guys have a really good channel here but I would have been ashamed to put this video out … so poorly executed and amateurish. Enough said.

[@jstitan2972]

test of tires......the new Frontier is super solid.

[@kingstonsean]

When I had my 2018 Pro4X (Dude I love/Hate my Ride) I did a lot of trails with the Bancroft Overland Club and had no problems in "summertime mud" and never had any traction issues. (Our local trails don't open until May 1st) BUT - I did frequently have that problem of not being able to get out of 4-low. When you're leading a trail ride and you come to pavement and you can't get out of 4-low, that can be a problem for everyone behind you. I would have to remember to get on the radio in advance and say "stay 2 truck lengths away from my bumper 'cause I'm probably going to have to back up". In 2018 that truck was thousands less than the Tacoma and the Ranger wasn't even available yet so I put up with the idiosyncrasies.

[@johnmeeboer6044]

I would think if you want a fair comparison is to have the same tire on all the 4x4s. This way it is all truck or suv 4x4. By the way, you are not as aggressive in your driving since the Sequoia

[@buaniih2358]

My 2023 frontier pro-4x is my third Nissan I keep getting them because they are the most reliable vehicles I’ve ever owned and meet my performance needs I used to have a 2010 Titan and I still have my 05 350z been with Nissan 3 years now between the 3 vehicles I’ve only ever replace one belt because it squeaked on my 350z other than that never had to repair anything just maintenance and I beat the shit out of them all be it I take good care of it after beating em but anyone who talks about Nissan and say it’s a pos has never owned one or never owned one that wasn’t molested before them or they got like a fwd Nissan I’ll happily keep buying Nissan

[@Anon92.46]

Most people on the internet just parrot what they’ve read in the comments about Nissan without ever owning one. They don’t do research. Pretty much across all the consumer surveys (JD Power, etc.) and reliability data (RepairPal, etc.) Nissan is avg or slightly above avg depending on model. But they can be purchased for cheaper than pretty much anything else. So you get average or better reliability for less than everything cost. They’re a great deal! Especially in the used market.

[@mtbrdude]

The steering wheel isn't as heavy as he's claiming.... This video is all about shitting on the frontier. I would have loved to see the competition driven in the exact same conditions. The Frontier has a rock solid 4x4 system.

[@iana36s]

The Frontier is old school and if the price point was not as high, this thing would make sense.

[@rxibot]

They weren't bashing the Nissan. In fact every negativity that he gave the Nissan he gave a reason to it. For example your heavy steering. Of course you're going to have heavier steering than electric, It's hydraulic steering. He even states that. He even goes into the reason why it's not doing so well off-road is because of the tires. But for the amount of money that you spent on this Nissan you could have got a much much better vehicle with the right tires not all terrain.

[@imnotusingmyrealname4566]

​@@rxibotSince when are steering wheels that turn when you sneeze at them the goal? Hydraulic is better because of the feedback they give the driver. Electric is just about numbing everything and making it obscenely light.

[@speterbilt]

The gm trucks went through that mud with no problem. This truck is lame & overpriced

[@eddiehaskell5578]

What sold me on the Frontier. $42,000 in the USA, I prefer hydraulic steering, I got a 6’ bed instead of a useless 5’ and most of all a rock solid V-6 engine. Naturally the stock tires suck. That’s to be expected. I was always a Tacoma guy, but 4 banger turbos are on my $hlt list😊

[@brotatoechip.akaBC80]

It was never competitive baba. The problem Nissan has now is have they made it competitive. Sits very low. Even adding the slightest bigger tire is problematic. Lifting the truck higher requires more expenses than other trucks. Nissan really didn’t tap into the offroad community with the new design. Small wheel wells low height and an over load of sensors that cause some issues out on the trails. I bought one and this has been my experience. They do ride nice on the road though. Nice interior.

[@scottwalker4013]

Falls short? Your crazy my 2022 pro4x with mud tires destroys trails like this on stock suspension, yes it drags a bit but that’s what the skid plates are for

[@DavidNaritaYT]

There are a couple of these left at limited dealers. There are 3 Pro-4x models left at Courtesy NISSAN in Richardson, TX. MSRP $57K. I don't think you know how to off-road because I would have made it through those ruts.

[@cdaniels1337]

Man TFL Truck just showed a video of the new 2024 Toyota Tacoma that just broke while going off road to say Toyota is any better would be a misconception. I don’t know about their nismo shock absorbers as I would prefer just the proven bilstein myself. The truck itself is excellent value for the price and now seeing the video from TFL Trucks KZbin channel I’m inconclusive about the comment of the Tacoma in this video. The video sounds bias or preferential to say the least. I would change out those tires though and keep the bilstein that come with the truck.

[@Eclipse-ss7ko]

Toyota is having Major recalls on the 2024 Taco's First year issues. I bought a 2021 Nissan frontier and I love it. It gets me everywhere and no Issues. To be honest, I do not go off road, BUT I do go to my favorite fishing holes with no problems. Love my truck!

[@mauriceracicot6010]

The only way that you can say how bad the frontier is would be to have your favorite mid trucks with the same tires going through the same road. Oh ya, you can't blame nissan for a bad shock. But you should blame toyota for the new tocoma loosing it's front wheel drive. See tfl.

[@milesb4231]

You need another truck to test at the same time. Springtime mud, heavy rains, ice, and mid-Summer testing will make the same trail totally different.

[@NoName-rg3np]

Am I the only one who would be happy with any of the midsize trucks from any of the companies? Like I would fall in love with this Nissan the same way I would a Chevy Colorado or a Taco! If only I had 50-60 grande burning a hole in my pocket…

[@St.Irenaeus]

No bro I would be happy with pretty much any of them. I do own the Nissan and it’s been absolutely fantastic. No complaints whatsoever. I also didn’t pay for the top dollar pro4x either. I’m good with 4x4 and some good tires

[@chitterlingsrtasty]

Lots of great options overall

[@georgecollins2345]

Driving style. My R51 Pathfinder does great with the traction control and medium skinny pedal. I love me Old Man Emu suspension.

[@deancm9302]

I have a two year old frontier Pro4X it’s been an awesome truck have no issues Offroad never had an issue with suspension and I’m going to go out on a limb and guarantee you that normally aspirated V6 will be far more reliable as time goes on then the turbos from Ford or GM in fact I’m already hearing they’re having issues. Those were some pretty nasty conditions, put a decent set of tires on that truck and compare it to other trucks on the same day you might find it’s more about conditions.

[@neiljuedes1661]

The Frontier has the best engine out of all of the small trucks. It will be running when all of the Chevy/GMC,Ford or Toyota engines are being melted down. I would hook the Frontier up to pull my pontoon long before any of the others !

[@drewkramer7462]

I think the truck looks really nice! For a stock truck it handled itself pretty well for what the obstacles were in my opinion.

[@robcarpenter8465]

Had a 22 sv 4x4. Best truck i ever owned till a dump truck totaled it. Very smooth, drive 100 miles round trip for work, averaged 24 mpg. Didn't have a chance for a 2 inch lift or at tires before it was totaled. It does need a slight lift and better tires

[@24porschefanatic]

I’ll tell you right now I have the 2024. I just got a couple weeks ago and that truck will go anywhere in 4LO with the differential locked. It does seem to like crawling.

[@bradlininger6393]

Driver mod lol crap tires change everything we will see in 7 years how reliable the turbo 4 cylinder truck is compared

[@Mako2-1]

10:15 I respectfully disagree, traction control ensured all 4 wheels were getting power AND it was still letting you slip all 4 wheels too. Id say the t/c logic for the from axle changes when you engage the rear locker if i was a betting man.

[@Anon92.46]

Truck King, we’d love to see a follow up like what TFL did with the brand new Tacoma’s broken diff. What does Nissan say about this? Who makes the shock? Nissan or is this a Bilstein that Nissan slaps a Nismo logo on? If so, what does Bilstein say about it?

[@billw8476]

imo, the demise of the tacoma has led the frontier to be the reliability leader in it's class. it is still a solid ,dependable, midsized truck.

[@paultruesdale7680]

Come on Truck King. Those tires are better suited to a golf cart. You knew that before you started. Then driving it into deeper ruts filled with mud and not even airing down a little, anyway vehicle would have gotten stuck. Tires are very important. Whom ever kitted out the vehicle went for looks and minimum capability. The Pro4X is just a step up from the regular frontier, the Dana 44 axle and a rear locker and basic first stage Bilstein shocks. Nissan let themselves down with all that very expensive and not very capable equipment.

[@davidparkin9017]

1. Two inch lift kit. 2. More aggressive tire tread pattern. 3. Air the tires down to 20 psi.

[@marksullivan8200]

I'd say if the truck had some ko2s or duratracs & the ground wasn't saturated the would had done better & thankfully I believe they worked on some things as far as cameras & updates on the computer & 4l & 4h etc

[@scottastic2915]

Just came to say that the intro music during the first minute of this video was a fantastic choice! Really sets the tone for the video. 🤙🏽

[@TruckKing]

Glad you liked it!

[@michaelbury1941]

Any truck with these tires would get stuck. And the Duratracs available on others are optional. A pro4X in Canada is the same price a a Trail Boss Colorado with 2 basic options packages. But the Nissan has WAY more equipment and a much better interior

[@He_isI]

Nice one guys. You shit all over this truck. Can’t wait till you have only good things to say about the new Taco.

[@piraltas]

This is a plain example of how important tires are when off roading. You can have lockers whatever but tires rule

[@Fehrman21114]

Here's the problem: Almost everything else in this category is new and unproven. Unless you "need" something right away, I would wait a couple years to see how the new renditions from the competition are going to fare. If you "need" something right now, because the Nissan is proven to be reliable, I would get that until the new Ford's, Chevy's, and Toyota's prove themselves.

[@is6566]

This is proven broken. 😃

[@Art_of_Ramon]

Mostly all newer off-road designs have relocated the shock mounts closer to the wheels, but Nissan hasn't, so the redesign was mainly on the body.

[@Cheezes101]

I'm not a truck guy but Nissan isn't to blame here. Going mudding on wet leaves and soggy terrain with basically slicks isnt really a good test.

[@darren1922]

Love my 2016 Pro4x i bought brand new. After 8 years, she's still new and very reliable. Would like to add the titan pro4x to the garage for more towing capacity.

[@lanceripplinger8352]

If I needed a new truck to replace my 2004 Ford Ranger, this is on my shortlist. This truck is "old school", but who cares. That just means it is well built and easy to work on. I like that it has a traditional V6. The modern 9 speed auto is a nice touch. I don't think the cameras are all that important, plus I wouldn't use the truck in extreme off road situations anyway. What is a bummer is that Nissan doesn't advertise this truck. I suspect most of the car buyers out there may not even know the Frontier is an option. It is priced below the other trucks in the segment, and yet is probably the most reliable and simple. The only other truck I might consider is the Honda Ridgeline, quite frankly.

[@is6566]

Did you watch a video where the Frontier didn’t break during the ditch crossing attempt? I mean you are talking about how this truck is great and robust and reliable and so on and it just broke in mild offroading. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@whitehorse1]

Better get the Nissan!

[@whitehorse1]

​@@is6566 It broke because the driver wanted something to fail.

[@whitehorse1]

I had a little Nissan truck back in the 80's. It's on the short list of the best vehicles I've owned.

[@taserface9073]

I’m a frontier owner, it’s 13 and it’s the boss with no issues. Also a ton cheaper and I can fix a lot of stuff myself. I’ll be getting another Nissan when I’m finished with this one.

[@SuperSTEIN24]

On the first obstacle the traction control kicks in harder when you add in 4L. If you notice once you move it into 4L to engage the locker the front tire starts to spin and try to grab.

[@libertystuffnthingsreviews829]

Minimal aftermarket support. Winch bumper? Light mounts? Better skids? All minimal.

[@brackeng1294]

That is a real downside. There are companies that make that stuff for the Nissan but like you said it’s the minimal amount if options. Jeep and Toyota have almost too many options to choose from in the aftermarket world.

[@owenator77]

I bought my Nissan because it didn’t have the computer garbage like all the new throw away vehicles. Everyone who owns the new frontier knows the factory tires suck, that’s an easy fix.

[@crisikingful]

Those aren't factory tires the pro 4x comes with hankook those are from the dealership they changed them out probably more Better appearance

[@09PARRAIN]

Yeah but they are still a shit tire

[@onefastr6]

@@09PARRAINMan those Dynapro’s are trash.

[@09PARRAIN]

@@onefastr6 I agree

[@stanleyfurash7929]

For the money it's a good value comparatively speaking even with the nismo stuff The frontier and gladiator are the only v-6 natural engines

[@drn13355]

Exactly why I would never buy one. I live in Wyoming and drive at altitude a lot and turbos are so much better at elevation. That and the low end torque and performance. I got my first turbo in a truck in 2020 and I will never ever go back to NA engines. The performance is amazing. 4 years in zero issues.. Never ever going back.

[@ignacio2763]

@@drn13355Live in colorado and not an issue. Turbo helps but Im not here racing on a drag strip

[@joshc606]

Read the owners manual…I know on the Nissan Titan’s they wouldn’t use brake locking unless in low. Kinda disappointed in the review. Not the truck. We have become so used to big screens and pushing a button without any effort it’s crazy. You save money on this truck so yes it’s alittle old school but for the price…YES.

[@vegpwrshlominator1873]

Looks pretty damned good for what I need don’t plan on running my truck through soupy mud.

[@justaname109]

I’m thinking this comes down to a tires situation. I have a 23 pro 4x and put BFG KO2’s on it and it was night and day compared to the stock at’s. There’s sections of local trail that I needed 4wd in with the at’s, but I’m able to do the same section in 2wd because the KO2’s are just that much better. I’m also able to air down lower with the KO2’s

[@jimmyjackass1805]

My 2013 with 200.000 miles and a ADO 2" lift and Falken Wildpeaks would have ran thru your off road test with ease . I also have a 2022. The Factory tires are Junk I'll give you that. The Frontier with tires and a Driver mod will do everything any of the others it it's class. Minus a Truck with Front Lockers. Watch TFL when there Day Old Tacoma broke a Diff on a light off road obstacle. I think Bilstein is to blame here not Nissan. All 3 of my Frontiers have been bulletproof. That;'s the facts.

[@ChasingForever]

Those tires were the major problem. Thanks for the video, and the warning not to run those rubbers.

[@brentworls8509]

Nothing works good in melted snow mud slime, You got it crossed up and stuck before you engaged the locker. No truck was getting out of something similar. This seethed of bias.

[@WBOS72]

Frontier and gladiator, v6 and no lame electric power steering.

[@rodgood]

Gladiator has electric power steering .

[@Scablands_Scavenger]

I think unless you are testing each vehicle with the same tires and in the same trail conditions results will be sporadic at best. The traction control on this truck does seem to be showing a lack of worth in several tests I have seen. The broken shock is a bit concerning but could it have been damaged in previous hands or just a bad one? Will be interesting to see how these trucks hold up over time.

[@mitchstein288]

Thanks for the in depth review. A major factor in your off-road review was simply how muddy it was. I think any truck with those tires wouldn't have fared much better. I'd really like to see this truck in a drier setting off-road, unless it was properly equipped with mud terrains. As far as the traction control, this would be a major issue, had it not have a rear locker. I can live with the less advanced traction control system. Despite a less than stellar showing here, I still like this truck. I really like it's looks. I also really appreciate the naturally aspirated 3.8 V6. Good horsepower, a nice linear response, and no turbo. Simple. It's really the last of an era. The only thing I can knock this truck on is it's infotainment. I wish it had a clearer, bigger screen. Would I take this over a Colorado and Tacoma? Actually yes, I think I still would, because of the aforementioned details. There's something to be said of old tech. Just look at your friends over at TFLs Tacoma. Broke the axle disconnect on the very first obstacle it faced. Or Andre's Colorado. The backup cam still doesn't work and the truck was bricked for days due to a software glitch. This Frontier is still a really solid pickup.

[@johntexan4165]

You complained about how horrible the traction control is and that is hilarious to me. I laugh because it's ironic that the GT-R probably has one of the best on the planet. Different beasts, I know.. but still funny to me. Is there third party computer management that can make the locker available in 4WD-high or even in 2WD? Also, horrible tires and it doesn't matter how good your traction control is.

[@BigHouse907]

My truck doesn’t have traction control. But it does have BFG KO2s and it’s all about the driver. And I’m good with that. 😂 And it doesn’t stack up to the other trucks that aren’t even there. Watch TFL’s off-road vid. I guarantee that shock is going to cost a lot less than a front differential rebuild.

[@Brownlightning1990]

NOTHING WRONG with the 3rd gen frontier

[@mb34928]

21:42 I have no dog in the fight, but I think any truck would have struggled in those conditions. Save for the ones with mud tires not suited for the road 🤷🏻‍♂

[@skexzies3673]

I classify this review as sewage. Obviously the Frontier is more than competitive...actually, I'd rate it as class leading for the price.

[@nicholasbaker2904]

The diff can't do much when you're high centered lol. The heavy steering is 100% not an issue to me. My first truck was a b2200 and it had manual steering. so, any assist is better.

[@stepheng5843]

After all these years, I still love my 1992 Hardbody. 4WD, V6, Manual trans. Sitting on destinations and KYB's. Never had a problem yet. Then again, I don't trap myself in ruts, then try to take off. SMH.

[@Marti60628]

There were situations of 4x4 high that, at the speeds taken, any rational driver would just do in 4x4 low. If you're driving as slow as they are (in the forest) - just go 4x4 low and let the truck do the work.