Nitro vs Poly Blindfold Challenge - The boys get their science on!

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[@catface101]

Chappers can even hear the tree that falls in the forest when no one else is around.

[@rhythmace22]

I like nitro bc it’ll wear over time not because of any kind of tone

[@joshedwards7012]

This, my favourite guitar atm (murder me if you will) is my Yamaha EG012, literally my first electric, the neck just has something magical about it being unfinished and with an electronics change it sounds amazing! I just wish it would wear faster, but it doesn't cos its body is poly finished... I've still played it enough to get the start of some decent buckle rash on the back though!

[@rhythmace22]

Josh Edwards Maybe try a nitro refin

[@rhythmace22]

Josh Edwards cool guitar though I wish my favorite guitar had a nitro finish too (Fender Deluxe Player Strat)

[@schminker0278]

I've got a 30 year old Japanese strat copy with a poly finish, that still looks almost as good as new. You'll be waiting a hundred years or more for that to wear through. Maybe you should try a nitro refin if that's what you're after. It also smells better.

[@joerobinson6199]

Schminker exactly I have a 30 yr old American standard Strat. Brand new.

[@slowbend4390]

The way i got it from a guitar tech: When poly was new, people applied it like nitro before. The result was a very thick finish that didn't sound as good as a nitro finish. But after a short time they realized if applied careful, a thin poly finish sounded as good as a nitro finish. Fast forward until today. Nitro today, because of environmental laws and stuff, is different from the old nitro. It will not crack or age as easily but is also less toxic. (Some nitro finishes today will not crack or get yellow at all, the warnings labels are just marketing.) So poly has a bad image from the transition time but isn't bad. And nitro today does not sound like "back then". It feels different and since nitro changes it can sound different. But better or worse is in fact a matter of every guitar. (And a matter of skillfully applied or not, like with poly "back then".)

[@theconsortion2037]

I refinish guitars and I can tell you: whatever they put on Gibson usa's, it's not nitro. They say it is though...

[@stricknine8623]

I know this is old but I have to comment about polyurethane. I have built and finished custom cabinets and furniture for about 35 years. Polyurethane has ALWAYS been a better, more durable finish than ANY laquer finish. You can get into preferences and even tone but it is an absolute, objective fact that polyurethane is a tangibly better finish.

[@simbadlemarin1815]

@@stricknine8623 right, compare a plywood box that holds my plates and glasses and whatever, to the wooden beauty that I hold in my hands for hours each day and literally have emotional responses to some the sounds I'm able to produce on it.

[@stricknine8623]

@@simbadlemarin1815 I'm not comparing cabinets and furniture with a guitar. I only cited my experience with cabinets and furniture because it deals with wood and wood finishing and as to inform those who don't know any better that polyurethane is in fact a better finish than lacquer in every aspect of the job and purpose that a wood finish serves. Tangibly, that is. Preferences may still vary. Also,..custom cabinetry and furniture involves the repeated use of solid lumber. Cabinet doors and faceplates are solid lumber in most cases. In the Gun cases that I build,..solid oak, maple, basswood, popular,...ect., are all used. Also,...staining, sealing and finishing is the same process regardless of whether you are dealing with the veneer skin of plywood or solid lumber.

[@modelcitizen1977]

I want to see one where the hand him the same guitar 10 times in a row.

[@georgieboy1536]

Anderson's 2018- pg era. No swearing. No rudeness Anderson's 2019- 0:21

[@ivanbrasla]

8:25

[@kimseniorb]

Georgie boy lol

[@LandofKon]

Coming from 3 grown men that just shared a hotel room 2 weeks ago

[@didienshairwan9026]

HAHAHAHAHAHA

[@MLeins-bk1qd]

Its the difference in feel, not in sound, what makes nitro more special.

[@Masterfighterx]

And overtime or if you do something, looks

[@mattwalder1931]

100% agree , regardless of the science behind I know which I like the feel of the best by a mile (nitro) . Each to their own though

[@TP-xe2hi]

Not to mention Poly should be more durable in terms of staying the same color in the long hall.

[@400_billion_suns]

I must be either weird or not drinking the right kool aid, but I prefer the feel of poly. I was choosing between buying a new American Pro strat (satin poly neck) and a gold Original 50's for the exact same price (50's was on sale). Even though the allure of lacquer and vintage pickups made it a hard decision, I hated the feel of the nitro neck on that thing. So sticky you could hardly move your hand across it without taking almost all the pressure off first. The poly neck on the Pro with the satin finish glides like Teflon. Left with the full price American Pro and the gold Original 50s stayed hanging on the wall at $450 off retail.

[@ericwoods6705]

Or you know whatever a person likes about it will be what they like about it🤷‍♂️.

[@GMec78]

Lee, Rob and the rest of the Anderton's crew provide a great service to the guitar playing community in a fun, interesting and humble way. Thanks guys.

[@PD-pw4wd]

The "Nitro" guitar in the link has "Body Finish: Polyester" in specs

[@solsticelacer]

More to the point it also says "neck finish: gloss urethane"...

[@GMec78]

So been a few years and I would say that Rob did this more from feel than from sound. I’ve taken a poly fender, completely stripped it down to bare wood and refinished it in nitro, it lost a quarter of a pound, felt like a different guitar but didn’t sound any different. I suspect that if they did this again with a third party playing and the two guessers just listening the result might change.

[@FernandoAMorales]

You guys should have had the non-playing guitarist audibly guess the finish treatment. Touching it alone gives away the finish. Otherwise, why plug them in?

[@markntexas8265]

Exactly because nothing materially changes how the electoral/magnetic field of the pickups. A professional musician might and I mean might hear the difference in the sounds but Rob is talking about is more resonance in the poly which is the opposite of what people say.

[@Zetamen7]

Get Billy Corgan in there, start that T O N E P A I N T debate

[@acarlovonsexron1994]

No BS, he did apparently get tested as a kid for something like musical aptitude and frequency distinction/cognizance, and he scored off the charts, like to savant level, so he might literally be hearing things we can't hear.

[@Zetamen7]

@@acarlovonsexron1994 Well, I knew Billy was some kind of musical beast, but that really takes it to another level of awesome

[@jubuttib]

@@acarlovonsexron1994 Interesting... There are a LOT of minute variations in sounds that can be detected with computers, tiny tiny stuff that you'd never expect a human to hear, but I guess at the end of the Bell curve there can be people like that. =/

[@joshmuz9018]

Carlo Von Sexron yet he sings like a dying cat.......

[@davidwile1277]

Yeah he was tested and had best score in the state...they thought it might of been a mistake..so they tested him again and he scored higher...school called his dad and said Billy needs to be put into a school for musicians and his dad said fuck that

[@RobCmusic]

Chappers got it right due to how they feel and then memorised whereabouts the guitars came from when Lee was playing them. I was hoping Pete would shuffle them around on the stands throughout.

[@Burnt_Gerbil]

Ok so now it’s “tone finish” not tonewood?! Oh boy... Down the rabbit hole we go. 😨

[@jubuttib]

Remember to get the right tone paint to go with your tonewood and tone finish, and don't forget your tone tuners, tone tone/volume control knobs, and tone hat for the blade switch.

[@c.kirchhoefer]

Don't forget to wear a special tone shirt as the guitar reverberates itself through your apparel during play

[@casperes0912]

C K Doesn’t matter anyway, cause only Rob can tell the difference

[@Spencerburner]

I like to use a tweed tone™ strap on all my guitars as well

[@evilnudibranch]

My favorite lacquer is Poly's cellulite.

[@robertclarkguitar]

Hahahahaha. Made from McDonald's fed beef

[@andrewharper1609]

You're into chubby chasing then.

[@sayantanutbe]

Welcome back! Missed you guys.

[@cleavey100]

Surely the smell would give it away???

[@Jakeman90210]

You would have to be real up close to tell on a fender. On a Gibson you can tell immediately because somehow they always smell really strong

[@thephotoyak]

Gibsons only smell strong new. They keep it awhile if you store in the case. Leave it long enough and it doesn't really smell.

[@MrThecampinggod]

I remember watching a video of a tour of the Gibson factory and they said something to the extent that they mix vanilla in with the lacquer to make spraying the instruments more pleasant.

[@cmkimbrell67]

No. Perhaps you are thinking of the Gibsons that smell like the polish they use in the factory. Fenders don't have a strong-smelling polish like that.

[@idonthateit]

Chase Kimbrell I had a nitro finished Fender and it def smelled like candy. Gibsons have a sweet smell too.

[@alessandroc.6876]

Great job!

[@thejoshbtv]

It is legit impressive how Rob nails all of the blindfold things. Almost borderline creepy that he does it every time.

[@simmonphoenix3206]

I love mixing with my frequency analyzer. You can really see if something is peaking when you are playing your whole mix. Some times a track will song fine solo and then you layer it and the frequencies get amplified or cutoff unexpectedly and peak through the mix.

[@stevieboy444]

Credit where it's due. Rob's bloody superb on guitar based blindfold challenges.

[@BradPham]

Glad you did the sound frequency graph at the end. Yes, the nitro finish (done properly) gives a more even frequency response. This makes the guitar sound, and feel, more "natural".

[@bjornhoogeveen4519]

Every single time i get totally blown away by rob’s abillity to feel/hear the right answer

[@willmurphy6996]

but he doesn't always get it right. prob 80% though.

[@frossbog]

Keep in mind that while always entertaining, Anderton is in the business of selling gear and their videos are made for that purpose. These are marketing videos, folks. Basically infomercials.

[@Mightydougthompson]

I just bought that green MIM strat yesterday. Great value. My first maple fretboard guitar.

[@chrishamm60]

I am blown away but I can hear the snappiness of the poly. Pretty wild.

[@cairesy]

Dude, clearly, you gotta have that sweet sweet tone lacquer!

[@calebhendrix4664]

I’ve been waiting on a classic series demo, but I guess this will do just fine 😂

[@Bouillestfu]

I like to "blinfold along" and I too heard a subtle brightness in the poly. Would that necessarily translate to a "better" guitar? No. Still cool that there is a discernible difference. In a shop trying both out I probably wouldn't catch on but with both guitars in isolation it was clear. People often forget, on electric guitars, that although it's a simple case of a string vibrating over a magnet the vibration of the string is influenced subtly or greatly by whatever it may be vibrating with or is held by.

[@khronscave]

... Although that's disregarding all other possible variables - pickup tolerances / varieties, *setup differences* (pickup height etc), and so on.

[@darrenbatty7090]

I have the fiesta red variant of this and it plays like a dream. First Fender I’ve owned :)

[@sjaakvanvliet838]

I bought a late 80s Burny super grade les paul. And i have no idea if this is this has poly or nitro finish. From what i could find on internet is that some of these guitars have poly and some nitro. I don't know the exact model and there is no serie number on the back of the headstock. Does somebody know how i can spot the differance between these finshes?

[@tomriley_bike]

That noise Pete made at 4:18 killed me

[@teleguy2650]

I think this video was meant to be released on April 1.

[@johngame2119]

I have a baja telecaster which I love and have no intention of ever selling. Bought at andertons a few years back. How much would it cost to have the laquer taken off and replaced with nitro aux natural?

[@mikegomez3823]

Love this Idea. I love both finishes. like anything else, It just feels like a different guitar, and makes me play in a different way. There's nothing wrong with either

[@marcobarbariga9468]

Happy Christmas!

[@PTS74]

Brighter/darker... yeah, they're different strats! No two guitars will sound 100% the same, regardless of the paint used.

[@benlogan430]

The poly does sound slightly brighter just as Chappers said. It’s very subtle though. I like em for sound, feel and aging qualities! I prefer the satin finish best of all!

[@GibusGang]

Obviously the trem bars are completely different on the two different models. Thats why rob used them. It had nothing to do with tone. He just hates losing. Happy christmas to you.

[@gr328]

They should have chosen based on each others playing ;) Chappers knew!

[@stanislavmigra]

Rob did ;)

[@gr328]

Yes - immediately!

[@wojciechorczyk8399]

Now it's time to test the piano lacquer

[@ScottJamesHicks]

As that famous adult entertainer once said, “It all softens with age.”

[@ianmbaker]

The guitars have different models of pickup. No wonder they sound different. :)

[@cmcald0]

Different frets too, medium jumbo and vintage , specs for sunburst say gloss urethane and poly as well

[@CosmicHippopotamus]

@@cmcald0 he's going mostly on feel. He said that in the video. I think most people prefer the feel of nitro in the hand over poly, though both can feel great.

[@theguitarsurgeon6213]

that would be so easy!!!!!!!! coming guys

[@guyfromnj]

Rob is a goddamn Jedi master. I've said it before and now I've said it again. The man is a wizard.

[@gasbagguitargear401]

Trying it with a poly guitar with rosewood neck and a nitro guitar with maple would be interesting as that lends itself to a warmer sound.

[@secretsquirrel2]

Did you guys ever do a Cheap Amp+Expensive Cab vs Cheap Cab+Expensive amp test? Set a budget and see what works best.

[@shaunm1983]

They are totally taking the piss with this one

[@roverboy01]

Well done Rob.

[@alamaguitars5693]

How about this challenge on acoustic guitar??

[@lathspell87]

Chappers' ear for music is fantastic. This should go to show those who claim other's can't hear the difference are wrong. I guess this is why some people say only the pickup matters where other can tell the difference in the body wood, finish type, or fretboard wood.

[@chedhead3278]

Interesting, thought I could hear the same difference you highlighted. Are you sure the pickups are the same? The Fender website describes the pickups as 'Vintage-Style Single-Coil Strat®' on the vanilla version and 'American Vintage Single-Coil Strat®' on the laquer version. No left handers though, that I can see. Bother. :(

[@geoffwhitemusic]

I have a Highway One Strat from 2003. They had a great nitro finish that just sounds better. I tried several Strats, and the Highway Ones were just more sonorous. Wish they’d bring back that model.

[@patrickohagan8305]

nice job Rob.

[@HylianCheshire]

Where can I get one of those life size Danish Pete tuners?

[@mts982]

would where the tone knob is at have any difference?

[@MrScrofulous]

Regardless of any other considerations, it's clear that Rob's move to fingers has done really cool things to his playing. Also, the nitro guitars sounded way nicer......warmer, and clearer.

[@baldbearded9601]

I though : this is a serious stretch... then Rob nailed it. Mind blown... and again on Lee's run... what the heck is wrong with that guy?

[@baldbearded9601]

@Nomad The fact that he was actually able to notice a difference in the 2k frequency (2350) as shown at the end...proves that he technically didn't have to feel the guitar to know it.. it was by sound. And again when he figured which guitars Lee was playing. Either the whole thing is a set up.. or either he is just that good! Rob is usually legit in his tests.

[@gefenguitars]

It's like saying that Sunburst sounds warmer, these are different models with different production and different parts, so of course they will sound different

[@filipsak9913]

wasnt this supposed to come out on april 1st ?

[@mrmcgiblets]

Gotta love me some TOAN LACQUER!!

[@FrankThaThird]

Rob’s said multiple times in the past he can literally smell the nitro, yet nothing was done to inhibit that.

[@chrisegonsearlemusic]

I'd be able to tell by the smell. It's strikingly different.

[@andyoc]

What about temperature, would nitro feel warmer?

[@TheWall2677]

Just want to highlight an error for that video ... There's indeed a nitrocellulose finish on sunburst ones but the regular classic 50's use gloss urethane on the neck and polyester for the body not polyurethane.

[@moviesuae]

I've noticed Chappers has been playing sans plectrum of late and doing more finger picking which is a nice change of pace.

[@stephenmeredith2096]

Says Happy Christmas, mid February. They certainly take time moving these things through the machine.

[@andertons]

Sorry...

[@thebuddybud]

What amps were they plugged into?? Capt Lee went into a Fender amp?? And Rob went into some sort of Laney model?

[@Morte_Deus]

WIth Neil Peart on Drums, Axl on Vocals and Jimmy on the strat, would there be a difference live cranked through a 100 watt jmp on 11 in front of 50,000 people?

[@batmandeltaforce]

The experiment you guys need to do is by mount pups on the back of guitars, close to a stationary ferrous metal, so you can ONLY hear the tone of the wood without interference of the strings:)

[@waynebridger4998]

I spotted the tonality of the different finishes, so to all you that are saying its bs, it's not. But I do appreciate that everyone hears different things in music.

[@xanderraymondcharles]

NERD LEVEL 1 MILLION

[@xanderraymondcharles]

haha true. Oh well Im still entertained@@chrisbistrishki

[@simonmorris6286]

I think you guys should do a Richlite Vs. ebony fingerboard challenge. Feel and tone. I have both at home and I'll be damned if I know what everyone is complaining. Great video by the way.

[@tituschalk]

Surprised Chappers didn't dive in and have a smell straight away. Surely a giveaway!

[@jgodin312]

have you done Ash vs. Alder strats?

[@christopherfleming6990]

Cool video! It was funny when Chappers becomes a human equalizer. I had a coworker complain about a air vent making a 1k hum that was driving him crazy. We called him on it, but went we played back a 1k sound on a website, it was pretty close and we were all in shock. Maybe you should do the equalizer test again, but with different string gauges on the same guitar to test the Jimi Hendrix theory about balanced strings?

[@greenbrightly]

It’s not just one thing, like a nitro finish, it’s all the elements together that contribute to the final thing. I prefer a nitro finish because I want the guitar to age and wear in, just for the look and feel.

[@aithenewgod]

Can you explain what is the difference on tone or other? I've never heard of these terms before.

[@zakofrx]

I don't know about tone differences.. But Poly is like covering something in a layer of Plastic.. It's fully sealed. It hard to damage and cheap. Nitro is old tech that allows air to flow into the wood.. It's hard to apply, expensive and easy to damage. Advantages and disadvantages to both. Why do people still like oil paintings compared to acrylics.. Oil paint is a lot harder to use but to a lot of people it looks a lot better.

[@Baghuul]

They cant. If you were to question one of those idiots on what "tone" means they give you some goofy half assed nonsensical answer.

[@wojciechorczyk8399]

A beautiful test: evaluate the sound of a painted nitro or polyurethane plank, probably even Mozart would be lost.

[@ricardofigueiras6453]

OMG! Can´t believe this!

[@timmotel5804]

How a guitar sounds and how it "feels" are two different things completely. I agree with Slow Bend and Fernando Morales comments from 3, L o n g years ago.

[@musikus7092]

Did they measured the pots?

[@ithemba]

something I am seriously wondering: y'all tonewood wizards here, how comes that you insist on the impact of resonance of wood and even lacquer, but NOT pickguards? would not the material of the pickguard be far more important to the "absorbance" of frequencies than lacquer, since the surface directly beneath the strings is covered in it? Like... with the strings so close to the surface, that is literally the only surface the soundwaves are ever even capable of reaching and being reflected by it or absorbed by it. So... should not be the most neglected and probably cheapest part on any pickguard-fitted ST or T style guitar have a far greater influence than lacquer or even wood?

[@ChristopherRMoore]

don't give them ideas

[@VMinoda]

man, I had this exact question for one of those tonewood wizards, and he laughed at it and said it was a stupid idea. Well, what do I know... The funniest thing was that I was not even arguing with him, but was rather asking him to give any proof of what he was saying and he failed miserably. Called himself an engineer, lol.

[@guydude6546]

Wouldn't put it past them, i once met a guy who swore that the neck radius affects tone! Said that the more curved a radius was, the more "punch" it had tone wise, whatever that's even supposed to mean!

[@sonicsega1699]

Now they're gonna blindfold pickguards vs no pg and tell us which sounds brighter

[@6Madmonk6]

a man by the name of Johan Segeborn can test this out

[@jasondeli]

Can we please get an epi of the Captain meets Diane ponzio, love to see an update from her, Missed her being at namm

[@anulonilatac]

Jamón y cerveza. Chappers knows what to order. 🤣🤣🤣

[@fossilmatic]

The big difference in tone for me was between the two players, and I only thought one of them sounded warm" and pleasant, with more sustain, smoother attack and more fullness.

[@wiseguy9202]

I can definitely feel the difference between poly and nitro. I've always preferred the feel of the nitro guitars hence my love for Gibson. Wish other brands would offer more nitro. Let's be honest, the pickups made the sound difference here not the finish.

[@prc7232]

But on the site, the classic player (sunburst one) have poly finish on the body and urethane on the neck, not nitro...

[@edwardjons8684]

Love this. Chappers supernatural powers again. Can you do another where you compare the effect of different material tone knobs on tone. Or the effect of hair dye? Maybe near the beginning of April...?

[@lind3223]

Nitro and Poly sound basically identical, the just feel different. It’s kind of the same thing as with rosewood vs maple fretboards (they sound a little different, but the difference is minimal)

[@AndrewZeleno1]

I don't care about tonewood or lacquer but these two sound 100% brighter than sunburst two. Just make sure your monitoring doesn't compensate sharpness with bottom end. Use very bright and thin sounding monitors/headphones or phone speaker with pronunced upper mid range. Or cut everything bellow 800 on EQ on your audio interface. My Adam A7x, Alesis, Neumann KH120, Dynaudio Lyd7 moniotrs and senheisser HD800. All of them show that those two are sharper.

[@mdtrx]

Same. I can't tell what makes the difference, but I can definitely hear it. (planar headphones, ar-h1 and objective2 dac-amp),

[@DChrls]

Same sound difference here through my Beyerdynamics A20, Emotiva Big Ego and Beyerdynamics Amiron Home phones. Although less of a difference to my old ears in the freq. comparison at the end. Being the nitro is over a poly base I wonder if it's just the extra layers of paint that makes the difference. When I build a guitar I use nitro because it's easier to use and repair. Neck to body fit is important to me when assembling a guitar. I find it has an impact on sustain.

[@thomasnutter]

This needs doing again with nose plugs as we all know chapters can smell the nitro

[@natesquiggles6666]

More blindfold challenge!!!

[@lumberrivermusicrobertbyrd9160]

A true test should include only one variable to be tested and everything else identical. You would need to play the nitro and record it. Then strip the nitro and finish it in poly (same thickness). Then reassemble and record. I tend to believe subtle differences can be contributed to more than one variable and the rest comes down to perceived tone and feel.

[@robertclarkguitar]

Should have put the nose plugs In. Hahahah

[@IPushHard]

I could hear a very tiny difference but DAM Rob has amazing sonic abilities. Very very impressive!

[@ithemba]

its not about hearing as much as feeling and even smelling. its not that hard to feel the difference while holding a guitar in your own hands, since most poly lacquers are cheaper and feel quite thick while nitro has a far more "woody", some say textile, feel to it.

[@zakofrx]

One feels like a layer of plastic while the other is more like a tung oil etc.. Finish in feel.

[@tonybowen455]

Hearing it over YT is tough. I can hear a pretty big difference in these, but I'd have to concentrate to get it right. I doubt I could do it if they played with a band or over a track. I think more people would get it right live. I always have a different experience when I go from YT research to trying stuff out myself live. One example is the new and old mexican strats. The new ones sound great to me on YT, but I didn't like them in person.

[@IPushHard]

Yea... And?I have a Gibson...and I'm not confused or asking a question. So not sure what your point is.

[@9wenwilson210]

interesting, thanks,

[@albertorivera7937]

As a Spanish language teacher, I approve. 👍🏼

[@RisikoAO]

I get the different feeling on the neck, but soundwise how can you know that is some slight variation in the pickup, wood, building or just human variation in picking? The only scientific experiment would be to find a way to exclude every possible factor to isolate the finish, but that's impossible because no instruments is the same exact copy of an other one.

[@davedavem]

I like Pete's tuning face.

[@matthewcombs9059]

BLINDFOLD CHALLANGE IDEA: what about putting squire pickups and controls in a fender and fender pickups and controls in squire. Or epiphone and Gibson. Will a well crafted guitar still sound good with less expensive guts. And Visa versa... food for thought

[@zachpetersonguitar]

Does Rob ever get a blindfold challenge completely wrong? Would love to see you guys review the FRX FLOYD ROSE that basically sits where a tune-o-magic once was